Your opinions on finnish people and Finland?

hungover...?

Resaca kirjoitti:

hungover...?

WRONG: "Then you must be hungover...?
CORRECT: Then you must HAVE A hAngover...?

correction kirjoitti:

WRONG: "Then you must be hungover...?
CORRECT: Then you must HAVE A hAngover...?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hungrover

correction kirjoitti:

WRONG: "Then you must be hungover...?
CORRECT: Then you must HAVE A hAngover...?

Hahaha. They're both correct. Idiot.

dizzee_vertigo kirjoitti:

Hahaha. They're both correct. Idiot.

To all black guys in Finland who obey the law - Please walk tall with your heads up... full of self esteem. You don't have to take shit from no one. It's a free world.

I am a black guy in Finland, have not really gotten any of those racist gestures from any Finn and i try to maintain my self esteem even though i live a simple life. Wherever i go, my personality tend to over-shadow that of the haters so don't even bother giving me that racist attitude because it doesn't faze me and i really care less if you exist or not. It's a free world and i always feel free like the birds in the sky wherever i go, which ever country i reside. I try to obey the law just like i'll do in my own country and I don't care what you think about me and if you mess with me, i'll retaliate with no fear of intimidation whatsoever. I arrived about 2 months ago. Been around Europe just for fun and i must say, Finland is quite strange and isn't the best. Besides, Hungarians are way much beautiful than Finns. If you've never been to Hungary, then you would easily disagree. Nothing really enticing here in Finland so i don't know why there should be so much NOISE!

Peace!

PEACE! kirjoitti:

To all black guys in Finland who obey the law - Please walk tall with your heads up... full of self esteem. You don't have to take shit from no one. It's a free world.

I am a black guy in Finland, have not really gotten any of those racist gestures from any Finn and i try to maintain my self esteem even though i live a simple life. Wherever i go, my personality tend to over-shadow that of the haters so don't even bother giving me that racist attitude because it doesn't faze me and i really care less if you exist or not. It's a free world and i always feel free like the birds in the sky wherever i go, which ever country i reside. I try to obey the law just like i'll do in my own country and I don't care what you think about me and if you mess with me, i'll retaliate with no fear of intimidation whatsoever. I arrived about 2 months ago. Been around Europe just for fun and i must say, Finland is quite strange and isn't the best. Besides, Hungarians are way much beautiful than Finns. If you've never been to Hungary, then you would easily disagree. Nothing really enticing here in Finland so i don't know why there should be so much NOISE!

Peace!

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seems to me you dont care much about no one but yourself,you really make a lot of noise about yourself,ever occur to you theres other people too?

PEACE! kirjoitti:

To all black guys in Finland who obey the law - Please walk tall with your heads up... full of self esteem. You don't have to take shit from no one. It's a free world.

I am a black guy in Finland, have not really gotten any of those racist gestures from any Finn and i try to maintain my self esteem even though i live a simple life. Wherever i go, my personality tend to over-shadow that of the haters so don't even bother giving me that racist attitude because it doesn't faze me and i really care less if you exist or not. It's a free world and i always feel free like the birds in the sky wherever i go, which ever country i reside. I try to obey the law just like i'll do in my own country and I don't care what you think about me and if you mess with me, i'll retaliate with no fear of intimidation whatsoever. I arrived about 2 months ago. Been around Europe just for fun and i must say, Finland is quite strange and isn't the best. Besides, Hungarians are way much beautiful than Finns. If you've never been to Hungary, then you would easily disagree. Nothing really enticing here in Finland so i don't know why there should be so much NOISE!

Peace!

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Emm.. I also think that black, white, yellow or whatever coloured people should walk with their heads up. I value everyone in the same way, no matter what religion or cultural background they might have.

And when it comes to racism, I do hate that. So.. I was thinking that what if you would see your own attitude aswell- it is good that you don't care too much about other people and like you said you haven't gotten any racist gestures while being in Finland- but do you see that you are giving them to finnish people by comparing finnish people to hungarians or saying that in Finland there is nothing enticing..? It can also be hurtful, harmuful and racistic for finns.

You are a person who might like hungarians better- but yes, I do disagree with you when it comes to that- I'm more used to finnish girls and I like them- I've been to Hungary and of course people look beautiful there too- but they don't affect me in the same way as finnish girls.. So, that is definately personal thing, not something that everyone would like about. So I think you should only speak for yourself.

And I'm not finnish- but I find Finland very enticing place. Maybe it's not the same for you, but some people find Finland amazing and exciting country to be. So.. Again- you can only speak for yourself and remember that we people are different and we like different things.

PEACE! kirjoitti:

To all black guys in Finland who obey the law - Please walk tall with your heads up... full of self esteem. You don't have to take shit from no one. It's a free world.

I am a black guy in Finland, have not really gotten any of those racist gestures from any Finn and i try to maintain my self esteem even though i live a simple life. Wherever i go, my personality tend to over-shadow that of the haters so don't even bother giving me that racist attitude because it doesn't faze me and i really care less if you exist or not. It's a free world and i always feel free like the birds in the sky wherever i go, which ever country i reside. I try to obey the law just like i'll do in my own country and I don't care what you think about me and if you mess with me, i'll retaliate with no fear of intimidation whatsoever. I arrived about 2 months ago. Been around Europe just for fun and i must say, Finland is quite strange and isn't the best. Besides, Hungarians are way much beautiful than Finns. If you've never been to Hungary, then you would easily disagree. Nothing really enticing here in Finland so i don't know why there should be so much NOISE!

Peace!

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My Dear black Brother in Peace!
Yes,I agree that Finnish people really r most beautiful,but most beautiful Finnish belong to the most ebautiful people int he world,do U get this?I mean,for example I myself look pretty and more Russian than Finnish (even Russian people tend to love my style and even hving a default that I could b one fo them,and I am proud of this juts coz if U look an average Finnish wman or man so he or she looks horrible).Russian women r just one group that r kept to b more beautiful by far than Finnish women,for example Estonian women r kept to b so gorgeous,but in this I lil bit disagree as if we examine spesific characteristics for Estonian women so actually they r not that different from Finnish characteristics,but they just keep much better care of themselves,when it comes to their look.

Finnish women hv no self-confidence,but we r well-educated,smart,independent and generally speaking also men here in Finland get human rights being also women rights.Our education and social support systems r maybe the best in the world,we hv manage in both of the fields of our policy:foreigner and inner policy here in Finland well enough for living peace in our country,no need to escape and let some other state to take care of us,to put in us teh moneys that would actually meant to use first of all for that other state itself!

I am not racist,I hv even dated with only mainly outside of Finland living Asian men last 2,5y,but our foreigner policy is driving me crazy and reflecting to my thoughts in a racist nuance.So I thought me to b the very last one being able to think in a racist way.I will tell later more about our foreigner or immigrant policy but let me tell first one v sad phenomenon that shows clearly how our immigrant policy makes both of the foreigners and us looking victims:

Well,we were drinking and hving party in our capital Helsinki ,and we met many Asian or african people and we tried to talk in akind way to all fo these asking where r they from coz it looks that not Fnnish.Just out of curousity and coz we appreciate people from all around the world as our sisters and brothers and wanted to hear exotic and interesting life stories of them etc.Anyways,the seemed to got us wrong ,not all as also most polite and kind people that we met that night were just those black people or Asian,surprise surprise.But we started to ponder for why r they trying to deny them to b foreigners,why r not they proud of their background,and for why got they angry and almost violent!Then we got that it must be coz obviously in Finland racism is rising and our foreigners hv faced it so much (or just hv their prejudices) that they automatically think all of us to hate them nor b willing to b friends.That is sad,but who is the one to blame?

Not the foreigners,not Finnish people,but our totally unfair and unworking immigrant policy!We get here useless people just to waste our moneys,then many well-educated ,for example iraqi medical doctors,we just send a way,just like our dear Western neighbour Sweden.All in all we give those residence permits too much but for totally wrong people.

For example Somalian people r great problem as their own culture is so different from ours (they hv to be noisy already in childhood,if not so their community and families inforced them to make noise and talk without stop) and so primitive that they certainly cannot get that here they should integrate to our culture,and even though they got it that is v difficult to totally turn change one's manners upside down.This makes not only Finnish but also the other (black) foreigner groups to hate them and being afraid that ignorant people may thinka lso them to b form Somalia just based on the skin colour.Then in some case Somali man hv many wives and as a leader of the family that man lifts social supports form all the bank accounts of that family without using them for the benefit of the family but by sitting in cafeterias chatting with his friends,that is v wrong.And some of them oerder children from Somalia telling lies them to be their adoption children,but more exact examination reveals them actually being child prostitutes for those paedophils,totally disgusting!And many times just this group hv nor education nor they can even read,and all this is v frustrating.

Finland does not hv to take care of all the losers in the world,but we hv right to live in peace in a country that we hv created by our rationality.The rationality that finally carrys longer and higher by far than the beauty.Still Finnish r blamed to b ugly and one of the most underestimated nation in the world and still when other people r in troubles so our help and social support is v welcome.For U "peace" I relly think that if U don't love Finland so get out of here and leave Ur space for smwn that hv brain to appreciate that safe,peaceful Finnish life.

Johnny-86 kirjoitti:

Emm.. I also think that black, white, yellow or whatever coloured people should walk with their heads up. I value everyone in the same way, no matter what religion or cultural background they might have.

And when it comes to racism, I do hate that. So.. I was thinking that what if you would see your own attitude aswell- it is good that you don't care too much about other people and like you said you haven't gotten any racist gestures while being in Finland- but do you see that you are giving them to finnish people by comparing finnish people to hungarians or saying that in Finland there is nothing enticing..? It can also be hurtful, harmuful and racistic for finns.

You are a person who might like hungarians better- but yes, I do disagree with you when it comes to that- I'm more used to finnish girls and I like them- I've been to Hungary and of course people look beautiful there too- but they don't affect me in the same way as finnish girls.. So, that is definately personal thing, not something that everyone would like about. So I think you should only speak for yourself.

And I'm not finnish- but I find Finland very enticing place. Maybe it's not the same for you, but some people find Finland amazing and exciting country to be. So.. Again- you can only speak for yourself and remember that we people are different and we like different things.

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Sorry my Dear bro in Peace ,I meant I agree that Finnish people r not most beautiful.

Still,I don't accept anyone to laugh at Finnish people same time abuisng us and our great social support system.Either U respect us or then stay out of Finland,that simple it SHOULD BE.U told that U follow Finnish laws so follow then these unwritten laws,for example our high moral and ethics,honesty here.And yes,forst of all,where ever U go so keep Ur head up and keep on being proud of Ur roots and background,people use to respect people that respect oneself!

PEACE! kirjoitti:

To all black guys in Finland who obey the law - Please walk tall with your heads up... full of self esteem. You don't have to take shit from no one. It's a free world.

I am a black guy in Finland, have not really gotten any of those racist gestures from any Finn and i try to maintain my self esteem even though i live a simple life. Wherever i go, my personality tend to over-shadow that of the haters so don't even bother giving me that racist attitude because it doesn't faze me and i really care less if you exist or not. It's a free world and i always feel free like the birds in the sky wherever i go, which ever country i reside. I try to obey the law just like i'll do in my own country and I don't care what you think about me and if you mess with me, i'll retaliate with no fear of intimidation whatsoever. I arrived about 2 months ago. Been around Europe just for fun and i must say, Finland is quite strange and isn't the best. Besides, Hungarians are way much beautiful than Finns. If you've never been to Hungary, then you would easily disagree. Nothing really enticing here in Finland so i don't know why there should be so much NOISE!

Peace!

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I wanted to say yet smthg in my first message butt eh operator said it to b too long.So I continue now:

I was asking that does not any state hv right to take own state as own state?Is not that just normal?So us Finnish want to keep our languagy,culture race and country.Finnish do not want even other Finnish too close,we hv strong need for space around us.That does not mean that we couldn't care or love,or b willing to help people.Foreigners r most welcome to visit here,and sweet group of foreigner people living here is ncie making Finland juts more vivid,but too much is too much.And especially we should focus on quality not quantiy also when it comes to this subject,also Finland has right to get some benefit back for our support.Friendship is not just taking but giving as well.And the problem is that if we take here endless stream of waste escaping from the countries that hv managed to ruin everything there ,the totally useless people for Finland /of which we don't get any benefit but coz of that phenomenon our people,as well as the foreigner people hv to pay,as all that eats resources in Finland and finally is away from all the people.I know,I should not talk about human waste,but so much I love people no matter from where they are or live so 1st people coming here to abuse us and our great social support when they r in troubles,same time laughing at our ugly people 2nd Finnish immigrant policy makes me,like many other Finnish people,to talk like this/being afraid to death for our country for which also my nation has fought and done so much work for keeping this as Finland and for Finnish 3rd for exaggerating for making people to realize.Fear is a strong feeling and easily takes power over us,preventing us to think in a realistic way.In some cases there is a relevant/real reason for that fear,in other case there is no real reason for that,but many times ignorant people r afraid without better knowledge.All this affect to the attitudes about foreigners of Finnish people that directly affects to the attitudes and behaviour fo the foreigners,and the vicious circle is ready!It is obvious that Finland cannot solve all the problems in this world nor help allt he people,by trying that we cannot soon help even ourselves,and where do we escape then?To Somalia and build there high-quality ,well-working,society for getting then Somalis back there after destroying Finland like they hv now destroyed their country.Ok,to be fair so I want to highlight that I still don't blame even Somalis themselves as they dont' make these decisions but only Finnish government does and is one to blame.

Istanbul Kral kirjoitti:

Sorry my Dear bro in Peace ,I meant I agree that Finnish people r not most beautiful.

Still,I don't accept anyone to laugh at Finnish people same time abuisng us and our great social support system.Either U respect us or then stay out of Finland,that simple it SHOULD BE.U told that U follow Finnish laws so follow then these unwritten laws,for example our high moral and ethics,honesty here.And yes,forst of all,where ever U go so keep Ur head up and keep on being proud of Ur roots and background,people use to respect people that respect oneself!

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Some ugly Finnish ppl:

Anna Virmajoki
http://rara-sara.blogspot.com/2011/11/nya-malsattningar.html

Kiira Korpi
http://www.photography.ice-dance.com/2010-11/2010TEB/Bonus/LSP/10TEB-LSP-0350-KK-LC.jpg.php

Sara Chafak
http://www.celebator.com/2012/02/miss-finland-2012-sara-yasmina-chafak.html

Susanna Penttilä
www.susannapenttila.fi

Anne-Mari Berg
http://www.urheiluviikko.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/anne-mari_berg_6.jpg

Essi Pöysti
http://www.hymy.fi/s/f/editor/images/3208259_.jpg

Johanna Loiri
http://static.iltalehti.fi/viihde/johannanayttaa11612HL_503_vi.jpg

PEACE! kirjoitti:

To all black guys in Finland who obey the law - Please walk tall with your heads up... full of self esteem. You don't have to take shit from no one. It's a free world.

I am a black guy in Finland, have not really gotten any of those racist gestures from any Finn and i try to maintain my self esteem even though i live a simple life. Wherever i go, my personality tend to over-shadow that of the haters so don't even bother giving me that racist attitude because it doesn't faze me and i really care less if you exist or not. It's a free world and i always feel free like the birds in the sky wherever i go, which ever country i reside. I try to obey the law just like i'll do in my own country and I don't care what you think about me and if you mess with me, i'll retaliate with no fear of intimidation whatsoever. I arrived about 2 months ago. Been around Europe just for fun and i must say, Finland is quite strange and isn't the best. Besides, Hungarians are way much beautiful than Finns. If you've never been to Hungary, then you would easily disagree. Nothing really enticing here in Finland so i don't know why there should be so much NOISE!

Peace!

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maybe you sud go back to home your country and enjoy your selfishness there!

x3 kirjoitti:

Some ugly Finnish ppl:

Anna Virmajoki
http://rara-sara.blogspot.com/2011/11/nya-malsattningar.html

Kiira Korpi
http://www.photography.ice-dance.com/2010-11/2010TEB/Bonus/LSP/10TEB-LSP-0350-KK-LC.jpg.php

Sara Chafak
http://www.celebator.com/2012/02/miss-finland-2012-sara-yasmina-chafak.html

Susanna Penttilä
www.susannapenttila.fi

Anne-Mari Berg
http://www.urheiluviikko.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/anne-mari_berg_6.jpg

Essi Pöysti
http://www.hymy.fi/s/f/editor/images/3208259_.jpg

Johanna Loiri
http://static.iltalehti.fi/viihde/johannanayttaa11612HL_503_vi.jpg

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You have selected few FAMOUS exceptionally good looking Finnish women ( Sara Chafak is half Finnish and she doesn't look like Finns!) and represent them as typical look for Finnish women?!!!!!!!

Be fair! kirjoitti:

You have selected few FAMOUS exceptionally good looking Finnish women ( Sara Chafak is half Finnish and she doesn't look like Finns!) and represent them as typical look for Finnish women?!!!!!!!

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Actually these here look quite much typical finnish young women yes.

I would say, many women I know in real life, look better than a few on this list above.

I did not post original list. :)

NotTheSame kirjoitti:

Actually these here look quite much typical finnish young women yes.

I would say, many women I know in real life, look better than a few on this list above.

I did not post original list. :)

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Make an appointment with an ophthalmologist asap.

Peacemaker! kirjoitti:

maybe you sud go back to home your country and enjoy your selfishness there!

I think Finnish people should show their mind more.The Greeks took to the streets
and so did many others.Don´t just shop o sit around. MoreMore banners and noise out in the public, weatherfor or against our politicians. We are far too passive.
The Euro Union is no joke,show your mind!

x3 kirjoitti:

Some ugly Finnish ppl:

Anna Virmajoki
http://rara-sara.blogspot.com/2011/11/nya-malsattningar.html

Kiira Korpi
http://www.photography.ice-dance.com/2010-11/2010TEB/Bonus/LSP/10TEB-LSP-0350-KK-LC.jpg.php

Sara Chafak
http://www.celebator.com/2012/02/miss-finland-2012-sara-yasmina-chafak.html

Susanna Penttilä
www.susannapenttila.fi

Anne-Mari Berg
http://www.urheiluviikko.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/anne-mari_berg_6.jpg

Essi Pöysti
http://www.hymy.fi/s/f/editor/images/3208259_.jpg

Johanna Loiri
http://static.iltalehti.fi/viihde/johannanayttaa11612HL_503_vi.jpg

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Why is there such vanity among Finns? Why post a list of beautiful women in a thread where Finns are accused of demeaning other nations and every minority in the country.

Fedup kirjoitti:

Why is there such vanity among Finns? Why post a list of beautiful women in a thread where Finns are accused of demeaning other nations and every minority in the country.

Finns are demeaned by minorities and politics.

LIfeSucksThenYouDie kirjoitti:

Finns are demeaned by minorities and politics.

Such weaklings. Demeaned by a minority? Merely because it exists? Are Britons demeaned by the Irish since Irish Gaelic, is an official language of the UK? Irish Gaelic, Ulster Scots, Scots, Scottish Gaelic, Welsh and Cornish are official regional languages. On the contrary in the Finn we see the fragile self image of an oppressor.

Be fair kirjoitti:

Make an appointment with an ophthalmologist asap.

someone hasn't got laid in finland :) I understand your hate

Istanbul Kral kirjoitti:

My Dear black Brother in Peace!
Yes,I agree that Finnish people really r most beautiful,but most beautiful Finnish belong to the most ebautiful people int he world,do U get this?I mean,for example I myself look pretty and more Russian than Finnish (even Russian people tend to love my style and even hving a default that I could b one fo them,and I am proud of this juts coz if U look an average Finnish wman or man so he or she looks horrible).Russian women r just one group that r kept to b more beautiful by far than Finnish women,for example Estonian women r kept to b so gorgeous,but in this I lil bit disagree as if we examine spesific characteristics for Estonian women so actually they r not that different from Finnish characteristics,but they just keep much better care of themselves,when it comes to their look.

Finnish women hv no self-confidence,but we r well-educated,smart,independent and generally speaking also men here in Finland get human rights being also women rights.Our education and social support systems r maybe the best in the world,we hv manage in both of the fields of our policy:foreigner and inner policy here in Finland well enough for living peace in our country,no need to escape and let some other state to take care of us,to put in us teh moneys that would actually meant to use first of all for that other state itself!

I am not racist,I hv even dated with only mainly outside of Finland living Asian men last 2,5y,but our foreigner policy is driving me crazy and reflecting to my thoughts in a racist nuance.So I thought me to b the very last one being able to think in a racist way.I will tell later more about our foreigner or immigrant policy but let me tell first one v sad phenomenon that shows clearly how our immigrant policy makes both of the foreigners and us looking victims:

Well,we were drinking and hving party in our capital Helsinki ,and we met many Asian or african people and we tried to talk in akind way to all fo these asking where r they from coz it looks that not Fnnish.Just out of curousity and coz we appreciate people from all around the world as our sisters and brothers and wanted to hear exotic and interesting life stories of them etc.Anyways,the seemed to got us wrong ,not all as also most polite and kind people that we met that night were just those black people or Asian,surprise surprise.But we started to ponder for why r they trying to deny them to b foreigners,why r not they proud of their background,and for why got they angry and almost violent!Then we got that it must be coz obviously in Finland racism is rising and our foreigners hv faced it so much (or just hv their prejudices) that they automatically think all of us to hate them nor b willing to b friends.That is sad,but who is the one to blame?

Not the foreigners,not Finnish people,but our totally unfair and unworking immigrant policy!We get here useless people just to waste our moneys,then many well-educated ,for example iraqi medical doctors,we just send a way,just like our dear Western neighbour Sweden.All in all we give those residence permits too much but for totally wrong people.

For example Somalian people r great problem as their own culture is so different from ours (they hv to be noisy already in childhood,if not so their community and families inforced them to make noise and talk without stop) and so primitive that they certainly cannot get that here they should integrate to our culture,and even though they got it that is v difficult to totally turn change one's manners upside down.This makes not only Finnish but also the other (black) foreigner groups to hate them and being afraid that ignorant people may thinka lso them to b form Somalia just based on the skin colour.Then in some case Somali man hv many wives and as a leader of the family that man lifts social supports form all the bank accounts of that family without using them for the benefit of the family but by sitting in cafeterias chatting with his friends,that is v wrong.And some of them oerder children from Somalia telling lies them to be their adoption children,but more exact examination reveals them actually being child prostitutes for those paedophils,totally disgusting!And many times just this group hv nor education nor they can even read,and all this is v frustrating.

Finland does not hv to take care of all the losers in the world,but we hv right to live in peace in a country that we hv created by our rationality.The rationality that finally carrys longer and higher by far than the beauty.Still Finnish r blamed to b ugly and one of the most underestimated nation in the world and still when other people r in troubles so our help and social support is v welcome.For U "peace" I relly think that if U don't love Finland so get out of here and leave Ur space for smwn that hv brain to appreciate that safe,peaceful Finnish life.

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hhm trying to accept someone critics is also one way to be open,,isntead most finns immidiatly a foreign criticize something their answer would be:Then go back where you came from!
So is this repsonse objective and mature? to me sound very touchy,peoe are so proud of their culture here.that if u dare to say something whihc happend to be true,they get herne nenää-I dont agre about uglyness cose infact women here are beautiful i think,well not all like elsewhere in world,,but i see more beautiful then ugly..The rst is all true,,let me say after living here 7 years..I think i could feel better and more accepted anywhere else in world except where most racist ,,i.e asians i think ,muslim quite racist,,or anyway they go only with their similar same as Finn..
Im Italian and happend to be like most Italians veeeery open,,for me any colour, different back ground, poor rich is worth to be a friend!I Hate how selective people are usually and especially in Finland..:/
My husband is a Finn,,but thank God he done have too much of the negative sides,beside beeing bit lonly introvert, but he dont drink which is great!
So i have to be here cose in my country the social wefare is worse and no jobs,,here on the other hand,, social welfare is better but basicly is useless since a person who is unemploied and get 500 euro still must pay crazy higher tax then a working person,pay hospital bills whihc goes up to 5oo euro,then kela pay...And a health care system that really sucks!!!!!! Surprisingly we have better in Italys,so if u r poor there u got right to get cure,without being worried that if u end u 15 days in hospital you have to pay the full amount, with your miserable social benefit! So yes ,is there a difference between here and country like Italy with worse social benefit?Well no,,difference this fucking expencive country sucks your blood out so basybly money u get are not even enough to take care of most important think in people life,HEALTH!
There would be lot more to speak about things i find difficult to Digest in Finland,,and even if there are positive i found to be less then negative.So yes if i could move elsewhere I would,,if situation was better back Home,,and so think many other Finns who have lived abroad and dont like to live in this sad country..cose i find it sad..The coldness of relation between family members, towards stranger, dark winter..No wonder why people drink and kill themself here..
If i would remove from here,alcohol, selfishness, unfriendliness,pihiness ( cheap people) well it would be another thing..
So dont hate me,just telling the true,,I didnt make this country neither I voted for Berlusconi :P
But hei kesä on tällä hienoa

vavvava kirjoitti:

I think Finnish people should show their mind more.The Greeks took to the streets
and so did many others.Don´t just shop o sit around. MoreMore banners and noise out in the public, weatherfor or against our politicians. We are far too passive.
The Euro Union is no joke,show your mind!

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EXACTLY,,PEOPLE SEAM BONELESS HERE ..BY JUST STARTING SOMETIME DEMANDING BETTER SERVICE EXAMPLE AT YOUR DOCTOR,LIEK GETTING ENGRY TAKES YOU TO FASTER BETTER TREATMENT,IVE LEARNED IF U DONT GET PISSED HERE U WONT GET ANYTHING , TALKING NOW ABOUT HEALT CARE,A HUUUUGE PROBLEM HERE NOW

rorkes drift kirjoitti:

seems to me you dont care much about no one but yourself,you really make a lot of noise about yourself,ever occur to you theres other people too?

Some people aren't at home anywhere. Their attitude is to be comfortable with their self esteem no matter where they go.
That's why there is no difference how other people think about them, good or bad.
At the same time they have nothing to offer to others but only possibly to employers.

katiaitalia kirjoitti:

hhm trying to accept someone critics is also one way to be open,,isntead most finns immidiatly a foreign criticize something their answer would be:Then go back where you came from!
So is this repsonse objective and mature? to me sound very touchy,peoe are so proud of their culture here.that if u dare to say something whihc happend to be true,they get herne nenää-I dont agre about uglyness cose infact women here are beautiful i think,well not all like elsewhere in world,,but i see more beautiful then ugly..The rst is all true,,let me say after living here 7 years..I think i could feel better and more accepted anywhere else in world except where most racist ,,i.e asians i think ,muslim quite racist,,or anyway they go only with their similar same as Finn..
Im Italian and happend to be like most Italians veeeery open,,for me any colour, different back ground, poor rich is worth to be a friend!I Hate how selective people are usually and especially in Finland..:/
My husband is a Finn,,but thank God he done have too much of the negative sides,beside beeing bit lonly introvert, but he dont drink which is great!
So i have to be here cose in my country the social wefare is worse and no jobs,,here on the other hand,, social welfare is better but basicly is useless since a person who is unemploied and get 500 euro still must pay crazy higher tax then a working person,pay hospital bills whihc goes up to 5oo euro,then kela pay...And a health care system that really sucks!!!!!! Surprisingly we have better in Italys,so if u r poor there u got right to get cure,without being worried that if u end u 15 days in hospital you have to pay the full amount, with your miserable social benefit! So yes ,is there a difference between here and country like Italy with worse social benefit?Well no,,difference this fucking expencive country sucks your blood out so basybly money u get are not even enough to take care of most important think in people life,HEALTH!
There would be lot more to speak about things i find difficult to Digest in Finland,,and even if there are positive i found to be less then negative.So yes if i could move elsewhere I would,,if situation was better back Home,,and so think many other Finns who have lived abroad and dont like to live in this sad country..cose i find it sad..The coldness of relation between family members, towards stranger, dark winter..No wonder why people drink and kill themself here..
If i would remove from here,alcohol, selfishness, unfriendliness,pihiness ( cheap people) well it would be another thing..
So dont hate me,just telling the true,,I didnt make this country neither I voted for Berlusconi :P
But hei kesä on tällä hienoa

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Hey!
Most Finnish people have had to move from countryside and their attitude towards foreigners is based on that. They too had to accept certain conditions OR "to go elsewhere"! Urbanisation has changed Finnish behaviour.
If you are treated in a way you expect the same must be done to others.
My best wishes!

Istanbul Kral kirjoitti:

My Dear black Brother in Peace!
Yes,I agree that Finnish people really r most beautiful,but most beautiful Finnish belong to the most ebautiful people int he world,do U get this?I mean,for example I myself look pretty and more Russian than Finnish (even Russian people tend to love my style and even hving a default that I could b one fo them,and I am proud of this juts coz if U look an average Finnish wman or man so he or she looks horrible).Russian women r just one group that r kept to b more beautiful by far than Finnish women,for example Estonian women r kept to b so gorgeous,but in this I lil bit disagree as if we examine spesific characteristics for Estonian women so actually they r not that different from Finnish characteristics,but they just keep much better care of themselves,when it comes to their look.

Finnish women hv no self-confidence,but we r well-educated,smart,independent and generally speaking also men here in Finland get human rights being also women rights.Our education and social support systems r maybe the best in the world,we hv manage in both of the fields of our policy:foreigner and inner policy here in Finland well enough for living peace in our country,no need to escape and let some other state to take care of us,to put in us teh moneys that would actually meant to use first of all for that other state itself!

I am not racist,I hv even dated with only mainly outside of Finland living Asian men last 2,5y,but our foreigner policy is driving me crazy and reflecting to my thoughts in a racist nuance.So I thought me to b the very last one being able to think in a racist way.I will tell later more about our foreigner or immigrant policy but let me tell first one v sad phenomenon that shows clearly how our immigrant policy makes both of the foreigners and us looking victims:

Well,we were drinking and hving party in our capital Helsinki ,and we met many Asian or african people and we tried to talk in akind way to all fo these asking where r they from coz it looks that not Fnnish.Just out of curousity and coz we appreciate people from all around the world as our sisters and brothers and wanted to hear exotic and interesting life stories of them etc.Anyways,the seemed to got us wrong ,not all as also most polite and kind people that we met that night were just those black people or Asian,surprise surprise.But we started to ponder for why r they trying to deny them to b foreigners,why r not they proud of their background,and for why got they angry and almost violent!Then we got that it must be coz obviously in Finland racism is rising and our foreigners hv faced it so much (or just hv their prejudices) that they automatically think all of us to hate them nor b willing to b friends.That is sad,but who is the one to blame?

Not the foreigners,not Finnish people,but our totally unfair and unworking immigrant policy!We get here useless people just to waste our moneys,then many well-educated ,for example iraqi medical doctors,we just send a way,just like our dear Western neighbour Sweden.All in all we give those residence permits too much but for totally wrong people.

For example Somalian people r great problem as their own culture is so different from ours (they hv to be noisy already in childhood,if not so their community and families inforced them to make noise and talk without stop) and so primitive that they certainly cannot get that here they should integrate to our culture,and even though they got it that is v difficult to totally turn change one's manners upside down.This makes not only Finnish but also the other (black) foreigner groups to hate them and being afraid that ignorant people may thinka lso them to b form Somalia just based on the skin colour.Then in some case Somali man hv many wives and as a leader of the family that man lifts social supports form all the bank accounts of that family without using them for the benefit of the family but by sitting in cafeterias chatting with his friends,that is v wrong.And some of them oerder children from Somalia telling lies them to be their adoption children,but more exact examination reveals them actually being child prostitutes for those paedophils,totally disgusting!And many times just this group hv nor education nor they can even read,and all this is v frustrating.

Finland does not hv to take care of all the losers in the world,but we hv right to live in peace in a country that we hv created by our rationality.The rationality that finally carrys longer and higher by far than the beauty.Still Finnish r blamed to b ugly and one of the most underestimated nation in the world and still when other people r in troubles so our help and social support is v welcome.For U "peace" I relly think that if U don't love Finland so get out of here and leave Ur space for smwn that hv brain to appreciate that safe,peaceful Finnish life.

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You just revealed your degree of intelligence!
So your valuation is not counted.

racists, closed minds, they do not consider the opinion of others, they think they are superior and they are not, many flaws and mental problems, not at all empathic, boring, not very intelligent, boring place to live, not so many options at all

Nobody's perfect, especially not you. ;)

Hi, I'm a middle-aged finnish woman in the capital city area, and I don't quite agree with the above mentioned.

Finns are quite traditional, that's true, allthough not very religious, most are nowadays more than anything very materialistic and very skeptic about all kinds of things that can't be seen, touched or hasn't been proved black on white or scientifically.

The black and white proves on everything are enourmously important to finns, don't even imagine of getting a job without a proper CD, or if you tell anybody about anything from your own life, you must have photos and proofs - finns suspect everything that is out of the ordinary. Finns believe that life basicly is mostly about everyday life and that everybody should live quite after the same values.

Many finns in bigger cities don't celebrate christmas in any particular way anymore, especially people who live alone may spend the christmas time among friends or in a restaurant. Same goes with Mayday. Many finns have a very emotional attitude to Midsummer and want to see the bonfires burning, by a lake or sea, preferably - allthough not everybody cares for that matter.

Many finns have their own sauna but many don't. For instance in old apartment buildings in Helsinki you mostly don't have a sauna in your relatively small apartment.

Finns are NOT very friendly towards strangers, especially towards other finns they don't know, it's not common to start a spontaneous conversation at a bus stop or such, they only become friendlier when you get to know them. The attitude to tourists is different, finns are allways flattered when a foreigner asks them something (like now here! :))

It's said that finnish people read a lot. Well, some do. But reading books; novels, poetry and such is actually a hobby of relatively small group of finns; the typical fiinnish middle-aged person reads weekly magazines, tabloid papers, their own local newspapers and a book or two per year that is very very popular and everybody has read, or something very light. Also books that have something to do with their job.
Finns between 20 and 30 read more.

Are you joking?

Compared to the people of many other countries. Finnish people are very simple, shy, like to be drunk every weekend, and so on.

Í would say, Finnish people are very far from friendly, compared to most other countries people. But it always matter, what are you comparing to.

You celebrate Christmas, Easter and all religious ceremonies but yet, you don't even know the true meaning of what you celebrate. Love God and his son, Jesus Christ.

Too many people with no religion isn't helping!

meh. kirjoitti:

Are you joking?

Compared to the people of many other countries. Finnish people are very simple, shy, like to be drunk every weekend, and so on.

Í would say, Finnish people are very far from friendly, compared to most other countries people. But it always matter, what are you comparing to.

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I have seen in Uk more drunk people then here in Finland

WITH LOVE! kirjoitti:

You celebrate Christmas, Easter and all religious ceremonies but yet, you don't even know the true meaning of what you celebrate. Love God and his son, Jesus Christ.

Too many people with no religion isn't helping!

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you do know that christmas aka yule was stolen by christians? its originally a paganistic "ceremony".

meh. kirjoitti:

Are you joking?

Compared to the people of many other countries. Finnish people are very simple, shy, like to be drunk every weekend, and so on.

Í would say, Finnish people are very far from friendly, compared to most other countries people. But it always matter, what are you comparing to.

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finnish people or some finnish people are shy but i know many finns ho are very outgoing.by the way finnish people are not allways drunk mostly young people.so dont go and talk shit if you have never even been to finland .FYI finns arent ugly we are very beautiful if you say you have been to finland i think you have seen people ho are a bit unatractive but that dosent mean that all finns are ugly.and atleast finns are smart .not stupid like americans or fat asses.finns made up the xylitol ,sauna we hve nokia thats way better than the sucking iphone by the way we are friendly atleast friendlyer than russians

WITH LOVE! kirjoitti:

You celebrate Christmas, Easter and all religious ceremonies but yet, you don't even know the true meaning of what you celebrate. Love God and his son, Jesus Christ.

Too many people with no religion isn't helping!

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Well, just for your information, you can not get out of school in Finland with out knowing why we celebrate Christmas and so on. It's just that some finns don't belive in Christ and some just doesn't care. And Finnish Christmas ain't as materialistic as in for example USA. Personally, I don't get the point of Christmas,sorry if Im offending someone now, but if we celebrate Christ by capitalism and such which christmas nowadays holds, well we are not doing well.

N-hampton kirjoitti:

I have seen in Uk more drunk people then here in Finland

Maybe Finns are so used to being drunk that it´s not easy to recognize?

yks suomi-neito kirjoitti:

Hi, I'm a middle-aged finnish woman in the capital city area, and I don't quite agree with the above mentioned.

Finns are quite traditional, that's true, allthough not very religious, most are nowadays more than anything very materialistic and very skeptic about all kinds of things that can't be seen, touched or hasn't been proved black on white or scientifically.

The black and white proves on everything are enourmously important to finns, don't even imagine of getting a job without a proper CD, or if you tell anybody about anything from your own life, you must have photos and proofs - finns suspect everything that is out of the ordinary. Finns believe that life basicly is mostly about everyday life and that everybody should live quite after the same values.

Many finns in bigger cities don't celebrate christmas in any particular way anymore, especially people who live alone may spend the christmas time among friends or in a restaurant. Same goes with Mayday. Many finns have a very emotional attitude to Midsummer and want to see the bonfires burning, by a lake or sea, preferably - allthough not everybody cares for that matter.

Many finns have their own sauna but many don't. For instance in old apartment buildings in Helsinki you mostly don't have a sauna in your relatively small apartment.

Finns are NOT very friendly towards strangers, especially towards other finns they don't know, it's not common to start a spontaneous conversation at a bus stop or such, they only become friendlier when you get to know them. The attitude to tourists is different, finns are allways flattered when a foreigner asks them something (like now here! :))

It's said that finnish people read a lot. Well, some do. But reading books; novels, poetry and such is actually a hobby of relatively small group of finns; the typical fiinnish middle-aged person reads weekly magazines, tabloid papers, their own local newspapers and a book or two per year that is very very popular and everybody has read, or something very light. Also books that have something to do with their job.
Finns between 20 and 30 read more.

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Would any 'CD' be ok, or did you mean CV?

yks suomi-neito kirjoitti:

Hi, I'm a middle-aged finnish woman in the capital city area, and I don't quite agree with the above mentioned.

Finns are quite traditional, that's true, allthough not very religious, most are nowadays more than anything very materialistic and very skeptic about all kinds of things that can't be seen, touched or hasn't been proved black on white or scientifically.

The black and white proves on everything are enourmously important to finns, don't even imagine of getting a job without a proper CD, or if you tell anybody about anything from your own life, you must have photos and proofs - finns suspect everything that is out of the ordinary. Finns believe that life basicly is mostly about everyday life and that everybody should live quite after the same values.

Many finns in bigger cities don't celebrate christmas in any particular way anymore, especially people who live alone may spend the christmas time among friends or in a restaurant. Same goes with Mayday. Many finns have a very emotional attitude to Midsummer and want to see the bonfires burning, by a lake or sea, preferably - allthough not everybody cares for that matter.

Many finns have their own sauna but many don't. For instance in old apartment buildings in Helsinki you mostly don't have a sauna in your relatively small apartment.

Finns are NOT very friendly towards strangers, especially towards other finns they don't know, it's not common to start a spontaneous conversation at a bus stop or such, they only become friendlier when you get to know them. The attitude to tourists is different, finns are allways flattered when a foreigner asks them something (like now here! :))

It's said that finnish people read a lot. Well, some do. But reading books; novels, poetry and such is actually a hobby of relatively small group of finns; the typical fiinnish middle-aged person reads weekly magazines, tabloid papers, their own local newspapers and a book or two per year that is very very popular and everybody has read, or something very light. Also books that have something to do with their job.
Finns between 20 and 30 read more.

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You're speaking a lot about people in Helsinki and other big cities (probably Turku and Tampere). Well, I don't even consider those as Finnish. They're cocky, rude, think they are everything and think everyone beyond the Helsinki Metropolitan Area are just stupid hillbillies. I wouldn't mind a bit if Helsinki and Turku would from now on be considered as Sweden, or something. Fuck Helsinki metropoli bullshit. Real Finnish people live in other parts of Finland.

WITH LOVE! kirjoitti:

You celebrate Christmas, Easter and all religious ceremonies but yet, you don't even know the true meaning of what you celebrate. Love God and his son, Jesus Christ.

Too many people with no religion isn't helping!

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Religion is the fucking plague of this world. People with brains and decent amount of capability to think for them selves understand this. Fuck "god" and his "son, jesus", they are just imaginary characters and everyone who believes in them should be transfered to concentration camps and re-taught to think, for fucks sake.

N-hampton kirjoitti:

I have seen in Uk more drunk people then here in Finland

Do the math! and compare the population!
Uk's population,
In 2011 it was : 63,181,775
Finland's population in 2012 was: 5,421,827
Hope this info was helpful!

meh. kirjoitti:

Are you joking?

Compared to the people of many other countries. Finnish people are very simple, shy, like to be drunk every weekend, and so on.

Í would say, Finnish people are very far from friendly, compared to most other countries people. But it always matter, what are you comparing to.

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Whenever I had a problem with my car, like the accu needed a shot of electricity is was black people who stopped to help me. Not even my white nweighbours.
Thank you!

Stupid Hesalaiset kirjoitti:

You're speaking a lot about people in Helsinki and other big cities (probably Turku and Tampere). Well, I don't even consider those as Finnish. They're cocky, rude, think they are everything and think everyone beyond the Helsinki Metropolitan Area are just stupid hillbillies. I wouldn't mind a bit if Helsinki and Turku would from now on be considered as Sweden, or something. Fuck Helsinki metropoli bullshit. Real Finnish people live in other parts of Finland.

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"considered as Sweden"

My my, aren't we again thinking we are a bit better than the swedes. Pot and kettle...

BULLSHIT,,I HAVE LIVE HERE 7 YEARS,,THE ONE WHO TALK ARE THE EXCEPTION NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!! EVEN FINNS THEMSELF ADMIT OF BEING HOMOPHOBIC

meh. kirjoitti:

Are you joking?

Compared to the people of many other countries. Finnish people are very simple, shy, like to be drunk every weekend, and so on.

Í would say, Finnish people are very far from friendly, compared to most other countries people. But it always matter, what are you comparing to.

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Agree. They not friendly and they extreamly materialistic and use any possible way to cheat they gov, like put money in Luxembourg bank accounts or use gups in the stupid law they originally invent.

they also very stubborn, and never say they wrong, have problem with communication and explaining them self clearly on even on they own Finnish.

I am caucasian and i live in Finland 12 years non-stop.

N-hampton kirjoitti:

I have seen in Uk more drunk people then here in Finland

In Finland it's very difficult to see more than 5miljon drunks, that's true.
Especially if we don't get support from England and other countries.

meh. kirjoitti:

Are you joking?

Compared to the people of many other countries. Finnish people are very simple, shy, like to be drunk every weekend, and so on.

Í would say, Finnish people are very far from friendly, compared to most other countries people. But it always matter, what are you comparing to.

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Looks like you've never been to Göteborg?

Befair kirjoitti:

Do the math! and compare the population!
Uk's population,
In 2011 it was : 63,181,775
Finland's population in 2012 was: 5,421,827
Hope this info was helpful!

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Yes, I agree!

We have great difficulty getting as much drunk on the streets as in France, Germany and the UK.
But you can not blame us for not even trying.

vavava kirjoitti:

Whenever I had a problem with my car, like the accu needed a shot of electricity is was black people who stopped to help me. Not even my white nweighbours.
Thank you!

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My neighbor stopped when he saw the car's bonnet was up at the roadside and offered help.
As soon as he got into a foreigners car, they rushed into his car and stole it.
He gave the police some distinguished marks that fit to Middle Easterners.

The police have warned that you should not stop because the corresponding events have become more common since the opening of the Schengen Agreement.

Fuck your god kirjoitti:

Religion is the fucking plague of this world. People with brains and decent amount of capability to think for them selves understand this. Fuck "god" and his "son, jesus", they are just imaginary characters and everyone who believes in them should be transfered to concentration camps and re-taught to think, for fucks sake.

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I understand the right to have an opinion, but concentration camps? Really? Shame on you, you hillbilly prick.

I have decided to move my Blog here's the new site for those who are interested:
http://monamolsson.blogspot.com/

kauheeta yleistämistä! :o hanki elämä kuule.. oikeesti :o

WHAT DO YOU DO IN FINLAND? still?? I'm not happy to pay taxes so you can surf on Internet and talk so much of shit about Finns. The more I read about your text, the more I was guessing what comes next. For example 1st: too much work, 2nd: "marijuana, jiihaa". etc. There was very much good things you said (it's true, we work TOO MUCH!). and what makes so angry, is that still we get paid too low 'coz taxes are so high ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want and so they have too much for sparetime ---like you do--. Please, go soon. You are coming very expensive for us. Shame on u. Go some another country, where people will pay for your LIVING and nice clothes! PS. You are a moran. Everyone is a moran, if go so below, that separates people in Helsinki-city and to country people. How ridicilous. ;)Tells something about your development.

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WHAT DO YOU DO IN FINLAND? still?? I'm not happy to pay taxes so you can surf on Internet and talk so much of shit about Finns. The more I read about your text, the more I was guessing what comes next. For example 1st: too much work, 2nd: "marijuana, jiihaa". etc. There was very much good things you said (it's true, we work TOO MUCH!). and what makes so angry, is that still we get paid too low 'coz taxes are so high ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want and so they have too much for sparetime ---like you do--. Please, go soon. You are coming very expensive for us. Shame on u. Go some another country, where people will pay for your LIVING and nice clothes! PS. You are a moran. Everyone is a moran, if go so below, that separates people in Helsinki-city and to country people. How ridicilous. ;)Tells something about your development.

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Kyllä poika puhu asiaa. Perussuomalaisen on näköään hyvin vaikeaa ymmärtää mitä Suomessa todellakin tapahtuu. Kauheeta ryyppäämistä, ulkomaalaisvihaa, homovihaa ja kateellisuutta. Nyt joku tulee sanomaan, että kyllä muuallakin ryypätään. Niin ryypätääkin, mutta ei ryypätä räkiä poskille, eikä hakata ihmisiä, jos heillä on tummempi ihonväri tai he puhuvat jotain eri kieltä. Olen 100% suomalainen ja rakastan Suomea. Mutta joskus rasistien olisi hyvä katsoa omaa rumaa pärstäänsä peilistä.

’ straightshit’ – I have the same view.


When I moved to Finland 12 years ago, people always asked: "Are you accustomed to the Finnish culture?”


Culture - where it is? Is it a man running down a woman at the door of a shop? Is it when the kids trample on the meal table? Is it a young man sitting in a bus and an old woman standing? Is it, as well as the adult does not know the words "Hello" and "Thank you"?
The main word is “V ! “ everywhere!

Feast day is Saturday. Then have to drink to the memory loss. The main streets look like after urinary competitions.

It’s a pity that Finnish nation do not have friends and they do not respect their parents.
Elderly make suicide every other day in Finland. The reason is loneliness and depression.



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Kirjoittanut: ...... / 27.4.09 / klo 11:53
”kauheeta yleistämistä! :o hanki elämä kuule.. oikeesti :o” – --------------- Why ” terrible generalization!”? Guest notes what you themselves do not note. Take off your pink glasses! The truth is sometimes painful.

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Kirjoittanut: .............................. / 10.5.09 / klo 21:18:
” ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want …” ------------Oh yeah – and is it normal?

Ååååå kirjoitti:

’ straightshit’ – I have the same view.


When I moved to Finland 12 years ago, people always asked: "Are you accustomed to the Finnish culture?”


Culture - where it is? Is it a man running down a woman at the door of a shop? Is it when the kids trample on the meal table? Is it a young man sitting in a bus and an old woman standing? Is it, as well as the adult does not know the words "Hello" and "Thank you"?
The main word is “V ! “ everywhere!

Feast day is Saturday. Then have to drink to the memory loss. The main streets look like after urinary competitions.

It’s a pity that Finnish nation do not have friends and they do not respect their parents.
Elderly make suicide every other day in Finland. The reason is loneliness and depression.



’’’’’’’’’’’’
Kirjoittanut: ...... / 27.4.09 / klo 11:53
”kauheeta yleistämistä! :o hanki elämä kuule.. oikeesti :o” – --------------- Why ” terrible generalization!”? Guest notes what you themselves do not note. Take off your pink glasses! The truth is sometimes painful.

’’’’’’’’’’’’
Kirjoittanut: .............................. / 10.5.09 / klo 21:18:
” ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want …” ------------Oh yeah – and is it normal?

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have freedom to do and say what ever we want. So if you dont like Finland you r free to go. Maybe someday I will.

summer is the best kirjoitti:

have freedom to do and say what ever we want. So if you dont like Finland you r free to go. Maybe someday I will.

“So if you dont like Finland you r free to go.”

Maybe I don’t LIKE everything but I LOVE Finland. Here is my lovely home in beautiful place we have built with my husband.

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WHAT DO YOU DO IN FINLAND? still?? I'm not happy to pay taxes so you can surf on Internet and talk so much of shit about Finns. The more I read about your text, the more I was guessing what comes next. For example 1st: too much work, 2nd: "marijuana, jiihaa". etc. There was very much good things you said (it's true, we work TOO MUCH!). and what makes so angry, is that still we get paid too low 'coz taxes are so high ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want and so they have too much for sparetime ---like you do--. Please, go soon. You are coming very expensive for us. Shame on u. Go some another country, where people will pay for your LIVING and nice clothes! PS. You are a moran. Everyone is a moran, if go so below, that separates people in Helsinki-city and to country people. How ridicilous. ;)Tells something about your development.

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I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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You describe us Finns quite accurately, I think. Many of us, yes, perhaps the more educated ones, and those who have lived elsewhere, have no problem with foreigners, but there is a visible minority who are racist. Like racists everywhere, Finnish racists try to cover their insecurity by bravado and bullying and blaming those who look different.

I feel that there is a section of 'humanity' missing in our society. This is difficult to explain, and I'm not even sure if this is true about the majority or just some people I've met. I've lived in two other countries, and will never return to Finland to live (I hope), and can say I have not met such simpletons anywhere else as so many of us Finns are. It's as if many of us were living some bad farce with few lines and only in a minor role. We are not a fully functioning human being, we are actors not quite familiar with the script, and certainly not able to write the script. Some kind of automatic robots going about our routine actions, saying routine phrases, reacting, not thinking. This is not being human. Being a human is to exprerience life fully, find a connection with others, creating one's life instead of reacting to events like a rag doll.

I respect maky things about the Finnish culture, and admit that we have many good qualities, such as the ability to work hard, and persistence, 'sisu'. I'm glad you are living in Finland. People like you wil eventually bring some light into darkness, even against the will of some of the population. Stay positive, keep smiling.

One memory from my past. I was living in a small town before I emigrated. I found most people difficult to get along, and rather narrow minded. The only one I was able to talk with as a human being talks to another, was a black man. He was working as a doctor. He was wonderful, but I got the impression that many didn't appreciate him.

freedom to stay kirjoitti:

“So if you dont like Finland you r free to go.”

Maybe I don’t LIKE everything but I LOVE Finland. Here is my lovely home in beautiful place we have built with my husband.

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finns are the coldest people on the planet and they are selffish and jealosy. They have very little knowlegde about other poleple and cultures and often assume they are superior to other peple. Eg they think an african cannot use anything with a switch, they have to first explain it to them. This way they make fools of themselves and expose their shallowness and lack of the real world outside the sauna. This way they never get to know peolple for what they are instead they either see someone who is pissed of with their behavior (and ll accuse you of not cooperating instead) or they ll see a bootlicker (in the reality someone who is desperate) and they ll take him for sub human.
Never expect a finn to have guilt or show compassion or simple good will eg look at the industries serving old people. They are just there to suck them dry.evn an ordinary finn ll never visit his bedridden father they just wait for the day he dies and claim his belongings.

I read your entry on Finland, and laughed til I cried. My mom is Finnish with 12 brothers & 1 sister, Elmi---the brothers are Toivo, Oiva, Arvo, Eino, Nilo,Sulo, John, Bill, Kenny, Laurie, Harold, and 1.. I can't remember at this time, ha, ha,

My Grammpa came from Helsinki, where he met my gramma Sel'inaa. They came to the U.S.A. in the late 30's or early 40's-and made a farm in michigan, a cold farming town, I think he worked in the copper mines then. His name was Erick Vuorenmaa, he lived until 95 and worked like a dog all his life. He was funny and drank , and drank, and milked the cows, and there were chickens, and 2 pigs
-and sauna every sunday and wednesday.

We would go there every summer, until I grew up.-we were from the 'city' Chicago, and they thought we were gangsters. Oh the mentality !!!
EVERYBODY drank, and drank and were predjudice, so much.
Especially the 'moosties'.
So much you said is true. My mom (92) is so racist, along with them all.
My gramma, was crabby all the time---I never saw her laugh.-Most of my uncles were nice to us neices & nephews, -but not all.
Every body worked and worked and got drunk all the time.
They thought it was normal.
Did you learn English in school?--
I think my gramma was crabby because she had so many kids., and my grampa would not eat with out Veeleeah, (can't spell it, but you know it.)
They were so set in their ways, not to let any one in their group.
We learned so little finnish, my mom still speaks it and all the brothers.

Did you know it is considered one of the most hardest languages in the world ?
Every thing you said has so much truth.

No, your country is socialist, too many taxes, and the government takes too much of Finns money.-because they let them.

I think our president stinks here and wants to make our country the same.
Buska.

They like to kill dear,there, and eat venison.I hated it, but I had such a good time there as a kid....it was a different world.

Let me know if you get this, and don't write me drunk-I'm old enough to be your "I-Dee'
Bay- va-
Mrs Susan

african boy kirjoitti:

finns are the coldest people on the planet and they are selffish and jealosy. They have very little knowlegde about other poleple and cultures and often assume they are superior to other peple. Eg they think an african cannot use anything with a switch, they have to first explain it to them. This way they make fools of themselves and expose their shallowness and lack of the real world outside the sauna. This way they never get to know peolple for what they are instead they either see someone who is pissed of with their behavior (and ll accuse you of not cooperating instead) or they ll see a bootlicker (in the reality someone who is desperate) and they ll take him for sub human.
Never expect a finn to have guilt or show compassion or simple good will eg look at the industries serving old people. They are just there to suck them dry.evn an ordinary finn ll never visit his bedridden father they just wait for the day he dies and claim his belongings.

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you met those bastards as well. I'm a local and I don't like them either. There are many nice ones too, but you have to find them first. And if a Finn is sober, don't expect any public show of emotion. That is a no no. Big one. Privately we can be extremely emotional, especially when drunk. Or gay.

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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having a self esteem has been considered to be almost a criminal activity. Basically, you should always at least be able to prove you have a right to show a bit of actual self esteem. You have that right, if and when you have a written certificate stating so. A college degree will prove you are smarter than some, so that'll do, though many will think you're automatically a wuss and prove it by punching you in the face. A prison record will prove that you're tough and most people will respect that, so once again you may occasionally be entitled to a bit of self esteem. Most people will think you're an idiot, though. You can climb the social ladder until everybody is beneath you, so nobody will disagree when you simply take the right to have a self esteem. Everybody will hate you though, you arrogant asshole. You can drive a Formula1 like the devil himself to gain the respect of millions of Finns, but once your career is over, evil tongues will start wagging. You're a once famous has been, who still thinks he is something. Somebody should teach you manners, you yesteryear's double champion. Or you can spit a black guy in the face to be a five minute hero for your drunk mates. Mostly just foreigners will think badly of you. Or you can kill hundreds of Russian infantrymen with a knife and a rock to gain eternal glory that nobody can take away from you. Too bad there's no war. So, which of these do you think is the easiest way to prove you have the right to respect yourself? Come to think of it, the game of self esteem in Finland is one you can't possibly win. Everybody loses, one way or another. Why? My theory is, this has a lot to do with our history. For centuries this was a Swedish soldier-farm, you know. Does good cannon fodder need a self esteem? No. If you feel fundamentally worthless and inadequate, you don't want to live, do you? In battle men who want to live fight like cowards, whereas suicidal maniacs will pull off almost any stunt. So, in order to be respected you just have to be the last man standing or dead in action. This way of thinking is what made Sweden great, at our expense, if you ever wondered. The poor self esteem you see today is largely a remnant of that age. We are supposed to prove ourselves in combat, but there hasn't been a war for over sixty years. Crazy, but the bizarre logic makes sense if you really think about it. Well, did I ever say we're not all insane? There are some pretty good videos on Finnish history on Youtube, if you want to know more. And of course many more that are mainly ultrapatriotic crap.

yäktyyppi kirjoitti:

you met those bastards as well. I'm a local and I don't like them either. There are many nice ones too, but you have to find them first. And if a Finn is sober, don't expect any public show of emotion. That is a no no. Big one. Privately we can be extremely emotional, especially when drunk. Or gay.

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He speaks about his feelings all the time and gives hugs like other Finns shed swear words. And he never drinks! I suspect I may have found the only Finn who's like that! And he's not even a young man but middle aged.

an exception kirjoitti:

He speaks about his feelings all the time and gives hugs like other Finns shed swear words. And he never drinks! I suspect I may have found the only Finn who's like that! And he's not even a young man but middle aged.

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Congratulations.

That was just what I think about Finland and finnish people. I think Finland is so negative and cold place to be in. So much racism, hate, prejudgice and inequality. If you say hello to a random stranger, you will be considered as little weird or a foreigner. And the most common response is a blank amazed gaze and some grumbling. Of course there are some exceptions and thank god to that.

People aren´t well mentally but still it´s very difficult to get proper treatment. Also the healthcare system doesn´t work at the moment, especially in smaller cities. And they say that it´s like winning in the lottory to be born in Finland. It´s far from it. Oh, and the law system. It´s totally off. You can do basically everything and still get away with it. Beat someone up, rape a little kid or kill someone and you´ll probably just get the minimum sentence. Except when you try to avoid taxes or something else that is associated with money. That´s a totally different chapter. Then you´re definately going to jail for a ridiculously long time compared to the action. I would say that Finland´s almost completely rotten. If I would have said this someone in person, I probably would have get beaten up and left on the ground because everyone thinks that it´s not their business. I don´t know if this negativity and things being bad part of finnish character or an epidemic that is all over the world.

In the end I have to say that not everything´s so fucked up. We have a beautiful nature (in some places). There´s enough food and fresh water for everyone.

But hey, at least we have an awesome summer...

african boy kirjoitti:

finns are the coldest people on the planet and they are selffish and jealosy. They have very little knowlegde about other poleple and cultures and often assume they are superior to other peple. Eg they think an african cannot use anything with a switch, they have to first explain it to them. This way they make fools of themselves and expose their shallowness and lack of the real world outside the sauna. This way they never get to know peolple for what they are instead they either see someone who is pissed of with their behavior (and ll accuse you of not cooperating instead) or they ll see a bootlicker (in the reality someone who is desperate) and they ll take him for sub human.
Never expect a finn to have guilt or show compassion or simple good will eg look at the industries serving old people. They are just there to suck them dry.evn an ordinary finn ll never visit his bedridden father they just wait for the day he dies and claim his belongings.

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Most Finns consider warmth and compassion a weakness, and being attached to your parents after you're 25 means that you never grew up. Most Finnish parents are authoritarian and controlling and just want to exploit their children if they are "sensitive", so the children steer clear of their parents in adulthood.
A "bootlicker" is a person who can't come up with something to provide for themselves and is considered stupid and servile. And for the not co-operating part, if you are not here to get on with the program, the attitude is usually "get the f* out". The Finnish Army is a huge part of Finnish culture, particularly the management style which may be perceived as authoritarian and a "steam roller" type if you know what I mean. Then again the workplace is not a democracy and the boss is the one who takes the risks so it makes sense.

Mr. S kirjoitti:

Most Finns consider warmth and compassion a weakness, and being attached to your parents after you're 25 means that you never grew up. Most Finnish parents are authoritarian and controlling and just want to exploit their children if they are "sensitive", so the children steer clear of their parents in adulthood.
A "bootlicker" is a person who can't come up with something to provide for themselves and is considered stupid and servile. And for the not co-operating part, if you are not here to get on with the program, the attitude is usually "get the f* out". The Finnish Army is a huge part of Finnish culture, particularly the management style which may be perceived as authoritarian and a "steam roller" type if you know what I mean. Then again the workplace is not a democracy and the boss is the one who takes the risks so it makes sense.

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have this strange attitude, it seems, that they cannot change anything in their society and that those in power cannot be influenced. I think there is a passivity in our mentality, unwillingness to cause ripples, complaining only when nobody is listening.

In Finland people obey the laws, obey the government, obey the police, obey all the officials, and have the illusion that all those people have the citizens' best interest in heart. They may vote, but what's the use of that? You only have so many candidates in only so many parties to choose from, and they are all the same. There is little real public debate in Finland. Everything is left for the big brother to look after.

(and I'm one of them) kirjoitti:

have this strange attitude, it seems, that they cannot change anything in their society and that those in power cannot be influenced. I think there is a passivity in our mentality, unwillingness to cause ripples, complaining only when nobody is listening.

In Finland people obey the laws, obey the government, obey the police, obey all the officials, and have the illusion that all those people have the citizens' best interest in heart. They may vote, but what's the use of that? You only have so many candidates in only so many parties to choose from, and they are all the same. There is little real public debate in Finland. Everything is left for the big brother to look after.

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I wonder do you ever read daily newspapers? It's very often one sees headlines about not so honest, educated well-to-do-finncitizens. Involved in frauds with taxation etc criminal business transactions and activities.

LOL... kirjoitti:

I wonder do you ever read daily newspapers? It's very often one sees headlines about not so honest, educated well-to-do-finncitizens. Involved in frauds with taxation etc criminal business transactions and activities.

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for nearly twenty years. I guess I'm speaking about the Finland I used to know. Perhaps the country is different now.

Finnish papers kirjoitti:

for nearly twenty years. I guess I'm speaking about the Finland I used to know. Perhaps the country is different now.

where ever you are you have access to finnish newspapers via internet. At least you can catch up on major news. www.iltasanomat.fi www.iltalehti.fi www.hs.fi or you can just write the name of the publication in the googles search box and press enter. Good luck! And yes, not all Finnish citizens are honest, don't know if they ever were...?!?

african boy kirjoitti:

finns are the coldest people on the planet and they are selffish and jealosy. They have very little knowlegde about other poleple and cultures and often assume they are superior to other peple. Eg they think an african cannot use anything with a switch, they have to first explain it to them. This way they make fools of themselves and expose their shallowness and lack of the real world outside the sauna. This way they never get to know peolple for what they are instead they either see someone who is pissed of with their behavior (and ll accuse you of not cooperating instead) or they ll see a bootlicker (in the reality someone who is desperate) and they ll take him for sub human.
Never expect a finn to have guilt or show compassion or simple good will eg look at the industries serving old people. They are just there to suck them dry.evn an ordinary finn ll never visit his bedridden father they just wait for the day he dies and claim his belongings.

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And how about African homicides and genocides and rapes and corruptions ?? Twat..... just live your life.

If you can... kirjoitti:

where ever you are you have access to finnish newspapers via internet. At least you can catch up on major news. www.iltasanomat.fi www.iltalehti.fi www.hs.fi or you can just write the name of the publication in the googles search box and press enter. Good luck! And yes, not all Finnish citizens are honest, don't know if they ever were...?!?

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cup of tea, nor am I all that interested in Finnish papers in general. This Suomi24 discussion forum is just about the only place I get 'news' from Finland and practise my language.

suomi kirjoitti:

Kyllä poika puhu asiaa. Perussuomalaisen on näköään hyvin vaikeaa ymmärtää mitä Suomessa todellakin tapahtuu. Kauheeta ryyppäämistä, ulkomaalaisvihaa, homovihaa ja kateellisuutta. Nyt joku tulee sanomaan, että kyllä muuallakin ryypätään. Niin ryypätääkin, mutta ei ryypätä räkiä poskille, eikä hakata ihmisiä, jos heillä on tummempi ihonväri tai he puhuvat jotain eri kieltä. Olen 100% suomalainen ja rakastan Suomea. Mutta joskus rasistien olisi hyvä katsoa omaa rumaa pärstäänsä peilistä.

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Sanot, että Suomessa hakataan ihonvärin perusteella. Kenties tuo on totta, joiden alakulttuurien toimesta, mutta missäpäs niin ei loppujen lopuksi tehtäisi? Mitä vaikka sitäkin kohua joka nousi ulkomailla Tanskalaisen sanomalehden julkaisemasta Muhammed pilasarjakuvasta. Tai mieti vaikka niitä kaikkia kansanmurhia ja heimosotia joita toimitetaan Afrikan maissa. Se, että Suomessa ollaan ulkomaalaisvastaisia on kuitenkin vain erilaisten pienimuotoisten ääripäiden toimintaa, ei mitään systemaattista tai kansallisesti organisoitua väkivaltaa, tuskin.

Mainitset myös homovihan mutta jätät kuitenkin tyystin huomioitta muutamien vuoden takaiset asennetutkimukset, joissa todetaan että valtaosa suomalaisista hyväksyy homoseksuaaliset parisuhteet. Lue vaikka seuraava:

http://evl.fi/evlfi.nsf/Documents/53410900BD6F3E94C22573A1002ED8CC?openDocument&lang=FI

Mietippä sitä jos menisit täräyttämään oman homoseksuaalisuutesi julkisesti esille valtaosasta kehitysmaissa niin voisi olla, että ei kaverit pitäisi sitä kovin hyvänä.

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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Some thoughts to think about:

"Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin."

How do you know this to be true? How can you be certain that they are actually being discriminated based on their color of the skin? This is a very bold claim without providing any statistical knowledge or any kind of evidence what so ever.

Finding a job in Finland can be very hard -- for the Finns also. The employers put extremely high demands on your skills and sometimes only the most fittest can land a steady and highly paid job. There are many things to consider, such as your previous work experience, level of education and your suitability for the job (such as, if you can't speak the language natively, it is unlikely that you will get a job in the customer service field). It is extremely easy to point fingers and to say that the color of one's skin is the reason for not landing your dream job just like that.

"One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from."

Why do you say that an average Finn does not know that they are being scattered around the world and then the very next thing you say is that *you* were shocked to find that there are Finns in your country? Are you certain that you are not just merely projecting your own amazement and then taking that as to be the feeling of a general Finn? I for one am not shocked to hear that some Finns have travelled and moved out of this country.

"And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free."

Really? Are you certain that no Finns will ever experience any kind of racism when walking as a white caucasian in your native country? I feel that I can say with certainty that some blacks will look upon on whites with suspicion and other kinds of negative feelings, due to various reasons in various points of their lives, just like some whites look upon blacks due to different reasons. Racism is an universal phenomenon, not just involving blacks.

"Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures."

And who are you to say what we should do and why? Who are you to say that we don't care for our parents and children? Who are you to say that we are not learning about other cultures? How much energy have you put on learning our culture and language, since you are the one who lives here, in our homeland?

[email protected] kirjoitti:

I read your entry on Finland, and laughed til I cried. My mom is Finnish with 12 brothers & 1 sister, Elmi---the brothers are Toivo, Oiva, Arvo, Eino, Nilo,Sulo, John, Bill, Kenny, Laurie, Harold, and 1.. I can't remember at this time, ha, ha,

My Grammpa came from Helsinki, where he met my gramma Sel'inaa. They came to the U.S.A. in the late 30's or early 40's-and made a farm in michigan, a cold farming town, I think he worked in the copper mines then. His name was Erick Vuorenmaa, he lived until 95 and worked like a dog all his life. He was funny and drank , and drank, and milked the cows, and there were chickens, and 2 pigs
-and sauna every sunday and wednesday.

We would go there every summer, until I grew up.-we were from the 'city' Chicago, and they thought we were gangsters. Oh the mentality !!!
EVERYBODY drank, and drank and were predjudice, so much.
Especially the 'moosties'.
So much you said is true. My mom (92) is so racist, along with them all.
My gramma, was crabby all the time---I never saw her laugh.-Most of my uncles were nice to us neices & nephews, -but not all.
Every body worked and worked and got drunk all the time.
They thought it was normal.
Did you learn English in school?--
I think my gramma was crabby because she had so many kids., and my grampa would not eat with out Veeleeah, (can't spell it, but you know it.)
They were so set in their ways, not to let any one in their group.
We learned so little finnish, my mom still speaks it and all the brothers.

Did you know it is considered one of the most hardest languages in the world ?
Every thing you said has so much truth.

No, your country is socialist, too many taxes, and the government takes too much of Finns money.-because they let them.

I think our president stinks here and wants to make our country the same.
Buska.

They like to kill dear,there, and eat venison.I hated it, but I had such a good time there as a kid....it was a different world.

Let me know if you get this, and don't write me drunk-I'm old enough to be your "I-Dee'
Bay- va-
Mrs Susan

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"Every body worked and worked and got drunk all the time.
They thought it was normal."

It is normal, in many places in the world. Just because drinking more often is abnormal in the fundamentalist hypocrite pilgrim society in the US, doesn't mean that enjoying a drink would be abnormal to the human kind at large (or notable parts thereof). While for you drinking is something that degenerate alcoholists and criminals do, for many others it is a way of relaxing or coping with the surroundings.

Many European cultures include long traditions of drinking - even that of your (or your neighbour's) ancestors from England, Scotland and Ireland. The Spanish enjoy their sangria, Italians and French their wine. The Germans - their evening after work consists of TV soccer and a beer or ten.

Drinking so much as to get drunk is a bit less common in many places, but peoples from countries like Russia, the Baltic countries, Finland and Ireland all enjoy that as well. I bet even Northern Canadians and Alaskans love a drink, too. You see a pattern now: where it's cold, dark and wet nine months a year, alcohol is more or less a normal part of life.

When you say your grandparents thought drinking was normal - well, yes, it was. The fact that all your neighbours in the US are abstinent, God-fearing Calvinists, doesn't mean that for your grandparents it wasn't normal to drink. Indeed, isn't the USA supposed to be all about mixing up races and cultures. So, whatever heritage the immigrants bring with them, it surely is normal.

By the way, if you are condemning the idea that in many countries getting drunk is normal, then you should start off by looking at yourself in the mirror. After all, to many (most?) Americans eating crap for food (what you got, McDonald's, Subway, Pizza Hut and all other places serving plastic and preservatives on a platter), polluting the air with massive cars and inefficient industrial solutions, carrying guns on the streets and not caring too much about anything is the normal way of going about.

We all have our faults, and all of our habits have a downside to them. However, the Finns are not alone with their preference for a drink, and surely it is far from abnormal to get drunk after work.

..-... kirjoitti:

That was just what I think about Finland and finnish people. I think Finland is so negative and cold place to be in. So much racism, hate, prejudgice and inequality. If you say hello to a random stranger, you will be considered as little weird or a foreigner. And the most common response is a blank amazed gaze and some grumbling. Of course there are some exceptions and thank god to that.

People aren´t well mentally but still it´s very difficult to get proper treatment. Also the healthcare system doesn´t work at the moment, especially in smaller cities. And they say that it´s like winning in the lottory to be born in Finland. It´s far from it. Oh, and the law system. It´s totally off. You can do basically everything and still get away with it. Beat someone up, rape a little kid or kill someone and you´ll probably just get the minimum sentence. Except when you try to avoid taxes or something else that is associated with money. That´s a totally different chapter. Then you´re definately going to jail for a ridiculously long time compared to the action. I would say that Finland´s almost completely rotten. If I would have said this someone in person, I probably would have get beaten up and left on the ground because everyone thinks that it´s not their business. I don´t know if this negativity and things being bad part of finnish character or an epidemic that is all over the world.

In the end I have to say that not everything´s so fucked up. We have a beautiful nature (in some places). There´s enough food and fresh water for everyone.

But hey, at least we have an awesome summer...

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"Oh, and the law system. It´s totally off. You can do basically everything and still get away with it. Beat someone up, rape a little kid or kill someone and you´ll probably just get the minimum sentence. Except when you try to avoid taxes or something else that is associated with money."

You've been fooled by the scandal media. There's actually nothing wrong with the Finnish justice system. It's just that there are too many assaults and batteries as well as rapings of "minors", and too active a system of law enforcement. Whereas in the US and most of Europe even batteries are settled out-of-court or by civil actions, in Finland the state has to intervene and prosecute publicly. That derives from the Nordic social model whereby the state takes care of (i.e. serves) the people.

As a result, not everyone can be thrown in jail upon their first offence as there are not enough jails. Now, recidivists and serious offenders do go to jail - but the scandal media does well in neglegting that. They just publish news on whenever someone has been let off on a conditional sentence (i.e. sentence without prison time) or has been sentenced otherwise very mildly.

And what comes to child molesters - well, in case of true paedophilism, the offender will be locked up, either in jail or in a high security mental hospital. What you read in the scandal newspapers is not about that, however. According to the law, you can be tried for child molestation if you're 18 and make out with a 15-year-old. That is absurd to many foreigners as it is just normal that kids around that age go out and explore sexuality.

Most cases of child molestation are about a 18- to 21-year-old guy and a 14- to 16-year-old girl. When you read the newspapers, you will not know the facts of the case. But I can assure you the facts go something like this: the girl and guy went out or met at a party. They both got a bit too drunk. They went somewhere private and started kissing. The guy made a move and touched the girl intimately or had sex with her. The next morning the girl, sobered up again, got second thoughts and went to the police.

Now, according to the criminal code, regardless of the circumstances, touching intimately a "child" of age of 15 or less can be punishable, and it will have to be tried in court. As these things happen all the time and everywhere (even in other countries), it is no surprise that the prisons would be filled up to the roof if every drunken fool had to be locked up for going on second or third base with a teenage girl. Instead, if they are first-timers, they're let out on a conditional sentence. Then the scandal newspapers write in big capital letters how the Finnish justice system is rotten.

Finally, what comes to the harsh sentences on financial and white-collar crimes: in the last decades there has been a move towards economic freedom (the European Union, globalisation, internet banking and electronic money transfers...), and with that the threat of crimes such as fraud, deceit and e-robberies has been increasing. Some years ago the Finnish Ministry of Justice put on its agenda a plan to give a clear message that such crimes will not be tolerated in Finland.

According to criminologist theory, a number of factors render financial crimes severely punishable. The most important ones are that usually (always?) they are highly pre-meditated and planned; they have far-reaching consequences on the welfare of the people; and the offenders often will remain in possession of their hidden criminal gains (millions of euro). In order to tackle high-profile financial crimes, the cost/benefit equilibrium has to be shifted on the cost side: otherwise, committing a 20-million euro fraud is easier if the risk includes just a few months in jail.

This reasoning is not peculiar to Finland. Instead, it's the same pretty much in all Western countries. You should remember that in the US, B. Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in a maximum security prison. It is clear that he will never enjoy the criminal gains he was able to hide before getting caught.

Hello

I'm sorry to hear you have such bad experiences of living in Finland. I'm a native finnishman and I still must say that I really like my country (I like my friends and family, finnish nature my summerhouses, baltic sea lakes, lapland sauna etc.), though there are many stupid people in Finland. Fortunately Helsinki is such big city and therefore I have a chance to choose my friends :) (We also have lots of nice people in Finland, unfortunately those racist people will be more clearly seen in Finland) Think about a situation in a crowded train carriage, black man comes into a train and some drunk bastard will yel him some impolite things. All the others in the carriage are quiet maybe because they are shy or even afraid of that threateningly behaving person. Even in that case there exactly and only one bastard in a train! Most people in Helsinki are not racists, thats my point. By the way, are you racist against estonians and russians as you mentioned in your text. You should neather make generalizations I have met many nice people from estonia and russia.

suomi kirjoitti:

Kyllä poika puhu asiaa. Perussuomalaisen on näköään hyvin vaikeaa ymmärtää mitä Suomessa todellakin tapahtuu. Kauheeta ryyppäämistä, ulkomaalaisvihaa, homovihaa ja kateellisuutta. Nyt joku tulee sanomaan, että kyllä muuallakin ryypätään. Niin ryypätääkin, mutta ei ryypätä räkiä poskille, eikä hakata ihmisiä, jos heillä on tummempi ihonväri tai he puhuvat jotain eri kieltä. Olen 100% suomalainen ja rakastan Suomea. Mutta joskus rasistien olisi hyvä katsoa omaa rumaa pärstäänsä peilistä.

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(nimimerk. suomi:lle) mitä sanot! It's true what u said!

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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u are right too..

MissyZ85 kirjoitti:

u are right too..

my comment was to jj

Countryside people have low esteelfm and are inside turn . Bollocks. Where u from? Mellunmäki?

Keeping it short and simple,
we appear in various kinds, just as in any country. It's true we don't have that much culture coz' we're relatively quite young and small country. We've been here as a nation for several hundred (ok, you can disagree with that, but most of our DNA is based from those people coming through Karjalan kannas eventhough there are some people/families in Finland that have DNA which still comes from our native ancesters.

In my opinion in Finland there is the thing is about the country ((and it's borders) as in all scandinavian countries). We don't really care about politics or the way our country seems like in an eye of a foreigner. I think that's quite right too.. but not fine as wanting to keep up some political or even any debate.

In Finland we have this kind of an attitude to not to give up... and it can be seen in very numeral ways.
It's just something that we are, what we've been driven to, as a country/nation.
We don't have similar national identity (apart from that to be held from the WWI) 'coz we've lost some parts to our much bigger neighbour for us to put it little bit too cocky on the way. We are really not a nation, we are more like 3 different kinds of those living inside same borders and feeling relatively nice with that :)

.............................. kirjoitti:

WHAT DO YOU DO IN FINLAND? still?? I'm not happy to pay taxes so you can surf on Internet and talk so much of shit about Finns. The more I read about your text, the more I was guessing what comes next. For example 1st: too much work, 2nd: "marijuana, jiihaa". etc. There was very much good things you said (it's true, we work TOO MUCH!). and what makes so angry, is that still we get paid too low 'coz taxes are so high ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want and so they have too much for sparetime ---like you do--. Please, go soon. You are coming very expensive for us. Shame on u. Go some another country, where people will pay for your LIVING and nice clothes! PS. You are a moran. Everyone is a moran, if go so below, that separates people in Helsinki-city and to country people. How ridicilous. ;)Tells something about your development.

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oh yeah we are paid too low (!) Come ooon, Finland and Finnish people should change their attitudes towards globalism.

I am not happy to pay taxes so that drunks can buy booze or sit in front of computer all day while I have to do night shift on a Xmas eve!

So we should all shut the hell up and be more open and friendly towards each other and foreigners.

Once this wealth goes away we are gonna be poor potato nosed bastards like in the 90s crisis.

just someone kirjoitti:

Some thoughts to think about:

"Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin."

How do you know this to be true? How can you be certain that they are actually being discriminated based on their color of the skin? This is a very bold claim without providing any statistical knowledge or any kind of evidence what so ever.

Finding a job in Finland can be very hard -- for the Finns also. The employers put extremely high demands on your skills and sometimes only the most fittest can land a steady and highly paid job. There are many things to consider, such as your previous work experience, level of education and your suitability for the job (such as, if you can't speak the language natively, it is unlikely that you will get a job in the customer service field). It is extremely easy to point fingers and to say that the color of one's skin is the reason for not landing your dream job just like that.

"One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from."

Why do you say that an average Finn does not know that they are being scattered around the world and then the very next thing you say is that *you* were shocked to find that there are Finns in your country? Are you certain that you are not just merely projecting your own amazement and then taking that as to be the feeling of a general Finn? I for one am not shocked to hear that some Finns have travelled and moved out of this country.

"And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free."

Really? Are you certain that no Finns will ever experience any kind of racism when walking as a white caucasian in your native country? I feel that I can say with certainty that some blacks will look upon on whites with suspicion and other kinds of negative feelings, due to various reasons in various points of their lives, just like some whites look upon blacks due to different reasons. Racism is an universal phenomenon, not just involving blacks.

"Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures."

And who are you to say what we should do and why? Who are you to say that we don't care for our parents and children? Who are you to say that we are not learning about other cultures? How much energy have you put on learning our culture and language, since you are the one who lives here, in our homeland?

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ahahaha, come oooon, even 3 year old kid knows that in Finland you cant blend in the community even if you get suntanned :D

If you dont look like Finnish and totally milk white then you are foreigner and not wellcome.

Lets dont fool anybody here :D

If Finns look weird at suntanned ppl then a black has no bloody chance :D

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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JJ, all what I have to say to you is thank you for making this comment. Interesting to see my own thoughts written.

Bla-bla-blah, travel and live abroad few years and after that come here to tell about how is it to live in Finland.. This must be written by some frustrated teen girl.

top 3 suicide xDDDDDD omg do a little bit recearch before you say anything

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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miksi, miksi helvetissä täällä ollaan puolustamassa ulkomaalaisia ja haukutaan suomalaisia rasistisiksi paskoiksi? ja kaikki nämä ulkomaalaiset sitten ovat oikein kilttejä ja mukavia työssäkäyviä ihmisiä? mitetitäämpä mistä se rasistisuus tulee, ei kuule ehkä ole ihan hatusta vedettyä... omien kokemuksien perusteella saisivat mennä sinne mistä tulivatkin

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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Otherwise fine, but I think the ubiquitous idea of there being jobs that do not attract Finns is false. I have worked in shitty jobs and there are Finns everywhere doing those jobs. Must be, because the wealthy and racist homeowners will not let foreign janitors into their quarters.
There are also lots of applicants for practical nurses. I was disqualified, when only about 10% of the applicants were accepted to a practical nursing course. It was harder to start practical nursing than some majors in universities.

african boy kirjoitti:

finns are the coldest people on the planet and they are selffish and jealosy. They have very little knowlegde about other poleple and cultures and often assume they are superior to other peple. Eg they think an african cannot use anything with a switch, they have to first explain it to them. This way they make fools of themselves and expose their shallowness and lack of the real world outside the sauna. This way they never get to know peolple for what they are instead they either see someone who is pissed of with their behavior (and ll accuse you of not cooperating instead) or they ll see a bootlicker (in the reality someone who is desperate) and they ll take him for sub human.
Never expect a finn to have guilt or show compassion or simple good will eg look at the industries serving old people. They are just there to suck them dry.evn an ordinary finn ll never visit his bedridden father they just wait for the day he dies and claim his belongings.

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Wait until you learn how this father treated his children! Finland has the highest killing rate of infants everywhere in western world!

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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this is an old post but i want to agree with u 100%,,people here dont get it....funy how u say exaclty what i tired to tell to those who complain about foregnairs steeling their jobs,,,thanks to foreganirs that there arer many jobs that stil exist,,or this country will one day end up with no service,,,already services are extremely bad,,,healt care sucks,,cose not enough docs,.so welcome foreign doctorr and nurses..

an exception kirjoitti:

He speaks about his feelings all the time and gives hugs like other Finns shed swear words. And he never drinks! I suspect I may have found the only Finn who's like that! And he's not even a young man but middle aged.

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my husband is an exception too,,,but he is young,,actually younger then me,,,and he hugs a lot...maybe he learned from me,snce he dont hug even own parents......but its enough he does hug me!!yep finns are jeakous,,ehll yes,,even own husband told me that!!and yes they are not compassionate at all,,,dont give shit of anyone but them selves....only good thing here is better econmy and welfare.....rest....i wonder why im here....im even worried to grow a family in this country,,,,but i dont want hurt my man by saying this...so ive learned to live isolated ,and dont care of the people who would not care about me here....so i just enjoy my honey and the beaufiul landscapes...

Ååååå kirjoitti:

’ straightshit’ – I have the same view.


When I moved to Finland 12 years ago, people always asked: "Are you accustomed to the Finnish culture?”


Culture - where it is? Is it a man running down a woman at the door of a shop? Is it when the kids trample on the meal table? Is it a young man sitting in a bus and an old woman standing? Is it, as well as the adult does not know the words "Hello" and "Thank you"?
The main word is “V ! “ everywhere!

Feast day is Saturday. Then have to drink to the memory loss. The main streets look like after urinary competitions.

It’s a pity that Finnish nation do not have friends and they do not respect their parents.
Elderly make suicide every other day in Finland. The reason is loneliness and depression.



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Kirjoittanut: ...... / 27.4.09 / klo 11:53
”kauheeta yleistämistä! :o hanki elämä kuule.. oikeesti :o” – --------------- Why ” terrible generalization!”? Guest notes what you themselves do not note. Take off your pink glasses! The truth is sometimes painful.

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Kirjoittanut: .............................. / 10.5.09 / klo 21:18:
” ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want …” ------------Oh yeah – and is it normal?

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"Feast day is Saturday. Then have to drink to the memory loss. The main streets look like after urinary competitions."
This same happening in Uk and more,every weekend!!

Pre_Kaarina kirjoitti:

Wait until you learn how this father treated his children! Finland has the highest killing rate of infants everywhere in western world!

no they don't -.-' I don't understand this Finland you people are talking about here! The Finland I know and have lived in my whole life, is the best place in the world! And yes, I have been to several foreign countries. I can't comment on Finnish people's looks, because being one of them it's hard for me to tell. But I do find myself to be pretty, and I think all the comments of how rude, unconfident, racist, unwelcoming and alcoholic Finns are, are rubbish. So maybe we like the taste of alcohol, but we're not the only ones in the world with that. Finns are a bit shy to strangers, and don't approach strangers easily, but that's because we care a lot about what people think about us. It doesn't make us unconfident, instead Finns are very polite. The racism mainly comes from older people, as they are not used to other races. In their childhood there were only Finns in Finland. Younger Finns are very much used to different races. It makes me sad to read about these horrible things you people say about my dear homeland. And all you Finnish people bad-mouthing your own country: Shame on you!! There is no perfect coutry in the world, and like every other country ours has it's faults, but the faults are incredibly small compared to all the things that are excellent here! We're well-educated, our healthcare is top-ranked, the people is happy, and our future looks bright! Stop complaining about every little thing and be happy that things are looking so good!

Oh and just so you know, I'm a 19-year-old Finnish girl, and I want to be proud of my home, so if you disagree with what I have written here, don't tell me. I don't care. This is my opinion and I shared it because you made me mad with all these mean things you've said. I don't want to be trolled by some no-life loser, so shut the f*ck up and be happy with what you've got!

Oh come on! kirjoitti:

no they don't -.-' I don't understand this Finland you people are talking about here! The Finland I know and have lived in my whole life, is the best place in the world! And yes, I have been to several foreign countries. I can't comment on Finnish people's looks, because being one of them it's hard for me to tell. But I do find myself to be pretty, and I think all the comments of how rude, unconfident, racist, unwelcoming and alcoholic Finns are, are rubbish. So maybe we like the taste of alcohol, but we're not the only ones in the world with that. Finns are a bit shy to strangers, and don't approach strangers easily, but that's because we care a lot about what people think about us. It doesn't make us unconfident, instead Finns are very polite. The racism mainly comes from older people, as they are not used to other races. In their childhood there were only Finns in Finland. Younger Finns are very much used to different races. It makes me sad to read about these horrible things you people say about my dear homeland. And all you Finnish people bad-mouthing your own country: Shame on you!! There is no perfect coutry in the world, and like every other country ours has it's faults, but the faults are incredibly small compared to all the things that are excellent here! We're well-educated, our healthcare is top-ranked, the people is happy, and our future looks bright! Stop complaining about every little thing and be happy that things are looking so good!

Oh and just so you know, I'm a 19-year-old Finnish girl, and I want to be proud of my home, so if you disagree with what I have written here, don't tell me. I don't care. This is my opinion and I shared it because you made me mad with all these mean things you've said. I don't want to be trolled by some no-life loser, so shut the f*ck up and be happy with what you've got!

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Brainwashed teenager. Finns are often totally brainwashed.

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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some may bee but as long as you are a hard working person ho dosent live of goverment money you will be fine some finns are just anoyd by some foreing people ho come here and dont even work or nothing

sisu65 kirjoitti:

oh yeah we are paid too low (!) Come ooon, Finland and Finnish people should change their attitudes towards globalism.

I am not happy to pay taxes so that drunks can buy booze or sit in front of computer all day while I have to do night shift on a Xmas eve!

So we should all shut the hell up and be more open and friendly towards each other and foreigners.

Once this wealth goes away we are gonna be poor potato nosed bastards like in the 90s crisis.

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TRUE i agree

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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This is an old post but wannt answer anyway,,ou just took out words of my mouth!! never seen more jealous people then here,,even own husband and my x employer told me finns are jealous..envy is a bad thing,,,among all other,,i dont think that in society here there is much to respect....cose i see no sense of empathy,no care for the others,non even own family,,i see no attachment at all with their close relative,,,and they have no strong moral value,,,,,,just perhaps sisu that makes them hard worker,good worker and student ,,but perhaps this sisu itself is what makes them so cold and cruel towards other people...living here 5 years...knonw country over 12 years,,,married a Finn that has also quality I like....so I definitly believe there are rare people here who might have same value as I do...but most of them i guess they have a strong family behind with good values...unfortunatly more then 50% of families ar divorced,so value for familky and marriage 0!!:(

yäktyyppi kirjoitti:

you met those bastards as well. I'm a local and I don't like them either. There are many nice ones too, but you have to find them first. And if a Finn is sober, don't expect any public show of emotion. That is a no no. Big one. Privately we can be extremely emotional, especially when drunk. Or gay.

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nin exaclty drunk or gay,,,thats not normal ,,in most of european countries and others as well people express feeling with no problem,here not,,wonder why!!so whats normal and whats not,,hmm lets say simply that perhaps whats more common behavious belongs to the "normal",and whats different is "not normal or natural",so other people see it as strange,and a problem that needs to be fixe,and people here fix their frustrations with alcohool instead of copeing with it :(

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WHAT DO YOU DO IN FINLAND? still?? I'm not happy to pay taxes so you can surf on Internet and talk so much of shit about Finns. The more I read about your text, the more I was guessing what comes next. For example 1st: too much work, 2nd: "marijuana, jiihaa". etc. There was very much good things you said (it's true, we work TOO MUCH!). and what makes so angry, is that still we get paid too low 'coz taxes are so high ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want and so they have too much for sparetime ---like you do--. Please, go soon. You are coming very expensive for us. Shame on u. Go some another country, where people will pay for your LIVING and nice clothes! PS. You are a moran. Everyone is a moran, if go so below, that separates people in Helsinki-city and to country people. How ridicilous. ;)Tells something about your development.

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Hey, Finland is a very beautiful and interesting country in my opinion even without me ever going there. I would love to someday. I agree with what you say about the taxes and people living for free on other people's taxes. It makes me mad when I see someone I know is on welfare or food stamps or is an illegal alien just walking around, comfortable in their luxry life practically when I work day after day to make maybe 6000 USD a year. It makes me even madder now when I see illegal aliens taking benefits that we deserve because we worked for them and we can't get hem because these people are taking them from our government and or government does not care. More and more people her in America will not be able to go to college because the government is raising tuition costs and practically no one can afford to attend now. I just lost my financial aid to my college because the state government wants the financial aid to go these illegal immigrants who don't even speak our language and we are being forced to take it lying down and even to the point of having to learn their language instead of them learning our language. And your thing on country peopl and city people, I have to laugh at the city people when they call me ignorant because I do not live in a city. I am ignorant because I do not want to be around people at all times of the day and I am ignorant because I have never ridden a city bus or train before. I live in a town where city buses do not go and we are twenty miles away from the next town over where nearly everyone has to work. I laugh because for all the city bragging about their great education, on our standardized tests in my town, I have to laugh because every single year, the biggest and supposedly best schools in the cities in my county, are beat out by nearly sixty percent by a school with less than 250 students after you combine all four grades. Working too much, we have no choice but to work long hours now seven days a week to support ourselves and the rest of the idiots who can't be bothered to go find work themselves and it pisses me off because at this rate, no one in America has a hope for any retirement unless you count our dumbass politicians. They are just ripping us off. Just please don't send you lazy people to America. We have enough of them as it is and it is very expensive for us to support them.

Oh come on! kirjoitti:

no they don't -.-' I don't understand this Finland you people are talking about here! The Finland I know and have lived in my whole life, is the best place in the world! And yes, I have been to several foreign countries. I can't comment on Finnish people's looks, because being one of them it's hard for me to tell. But I do find myself to be pretty, and I think all the comments of how rude, unconfident, racist, unwelcoming and alcoholic Finns are, are rubbish. So maybe we like the taste of alcohol, but we're not the only ones in the world with that. Finns are a bit shy to strangers, and don't approach strangers easily, but that's because we care a lot about what people think about us. It doesn't make us unconfident, instead Finns are very polite. The racism mainly comes from older people, as they are not used to other races. In their childhood there were only Finns in Finland. Younger Finns are very much used to different races. It makes me sad to read about these horrible things you people say about my dear homeland. And all you Finnish people bad-mouthing your own country: Shame on you!! There is no perfect coutry in the world, and like every other country ours has it's faults, but the faults are incredibly small compared to all the things that are excellent here! We're well-educated, our healthcare is top-ranked, the people is happy, and our future looks bright! Stop complaining about every little thing and be happy that things are looking so good!

Oh and just so you know, I'm a 19-year-old Finnish girl, and I want to be proud of my home, so if you disagree with what I have written here, don't tell me. I don't care. This is my opinion and I shared it because you made me mad with all these mean things you've said. I don't want to be trolled by some no-life loser, so shut the f*ck up and be happy with what you've got!

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Very good :) I'm a 19-year old Finnish dude, and I agree with you. It's not a perfect countries, but still one of the most top ranking in the world. Education is top quality and other countries are trying to learn from it. Yes, people are pretty shy here, and most of my friends don't talk that much. It's like, if you don't have anything meaningfull to say, don't say anything at all. It's very weird and I would like to change that but it's really hard cause you've grown in to it.

I love my family, more than I love myself. My life is meaningless compared to theirs. I hug my mom everytime I see here. I used to hug my dad all the time, but now only once in a while. I hug and "cuddle" or something with my littlesister everytime we see. Don't get me wrong, that's nothing sexual :d Just sibling love. I'm pretty close with my brother, we talk about stuff and we're friendly to each other. I hang out a lot with my friends, at summer time I spend more times outdoors than I do at home. We usually go for a cup of coffee and just chill out, drive around and other stuff. And then there's the "bad thing"; we go drinking almost every weekend. I don't why, I guess we all just like a lot. But unfortunately, after one year of being 18 and unemployed, I have started to consider myself a little bit "alcoholic". I think I could stop it if I really wanted, but since Finland is pretty boring country and there's not much to do (atleast without money), there's just nothing else to do on weekends. Every single one of my friends drink at weekend. Who am I to fight against that? I would really much like to change it, but I really can't. That's actually why I would very gladly live in the countryside, than to live in city. Countyside of Finland is just pure awesome, you can't even think about the possibilities you could do. Atleast as a "youngster" (1-40 year old). And why not as an adult man with a family, you could probably think of a lot of fun stuff to do with your kids. Unlike in the big cities.. I hope I'll move to countryside some time. And then those stupid big city people come and mock the "hillbillies".. -.- Are you fucking kidding me, you retarded bastards?

What am I like? Well, moderately openminded. I like foreign people. I would like to spend some time abroad but unfortunately I can't afford that, atleast not yet. I'm not very humoristic, at least with other people. I can't express my self around others, nor can I show emotions. I'm just a little introverted I guess. I dream of not being such, but I haven't figured out a way to change that. But that doesn't make me a bad person, or any less of a human than others, or does it now? At the moment, I have a little depression and I've got a slightly bad self esteem. Probably cause my education-plan didn't work out as I wanted. And cause I've been drinking too much for a year and something. I'm trying to change myself, but it's quite hard, since i'm an introvert, and shy, so I can't think of a way to get new friends, and I can't change myself in the presence of my current friend-circle. But I'm seeing a psychiatrist or someone like that and I'm hoping she could help me, but so far there hasn't been any progress. I know I probably should change myself by my own hand, but that's just really hard and my mind is really stupid and won't let me. And unfortunately, this isn't that rare in Finland. I just hope someone wise would think of a good way for us to change, and open up to each other.

But on summary; I'm fairly glad of my life here, I love my country, I love Finns, but I also like people from other countries. I am not happy with the economy and mind set of this world. There's way too many problems and things that can back fire, if that's the right expression. But in the mean time, I try to enjoy my life and spend more time with my family and friends. Also I've started to write stuff to the internet, as you can see, and I'm hoping I would find some smart people to talk with somewhere, but so far I've had no luck, or I haven't been in the right places. If you have any tips or anything for me, please feel free to give them to me.

I think I wrote a lot more than I intended to. Lol

Pre_Kaarina kirjoitti:

Brainwashed teenager. Finns are often totally brainwashed.

Or maybe it's you who is brainwashed? It's kind of a some thing as wondering where we come from, as to guess who is brainwashed an who is not. I suspect everyone, especially you.

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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Amen to that!!!

I think you've got the point.

However, I have a black boy friend, and what I've noticed is that all the black women really hate me for taking one of theirs! :D So jealous people come in all cultures...

african boy kirjoitti:

finns are the coldest people on the planet and they are selffish and jealosy. They have very little knowlegde about other poleple and cultures and often assume they are superior to other peple. Eg they think an african cannot use anything with a switch, they have to first explain it to them. This way they make fools of themselves and expose their shallowness and lack of the real world outside the sauna. This way they never get to know peolple for what they are instead they either see someone who is pissed of with their behavior (and ll accuse you of not cooperating instead) or they ll see a bootlicker (in the reality someone who is desperate) and they ll take him for sub human.
Never expect a finn to have guilt or show compassion or simple good will eg look at the industries serving old people. They are just there to suck them dry.evn an ordinary finn ll never visit his bedridden father they just wait for the day he dies and claim his belongings.

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Hi, i would like to ask you a few things to note. a) Why are you talking about finns as you had met every single Finnish person there is? Or at least that is how you act, sure there is a lot of racism, but just admit that you have never met a finnish person. b)You are talking about all the finns being racists(yes i mentioned there is a lot of them), but wait, isn't that racism? You are calling every finn a racist, and therefore you are a racist. c) We DO know that African people can use modern technology, some people are just not that comfortable with that idea, want to know why? There is so much ads, saying we should give money for YOUR problems, althought we have a lot of problems by ourselves(this is a poor fucking country...[and people giving YOUR country money are the problem]). Also we pay 50% of our income as taxes and still are one of the best countries to live in.

sisu65 kirjoitti:

oh yeah we are paid too low (!) Come ooon, Finland and Finnish people should change their attitudes towards globalism.

I am not happy to pay taxes so that drunks can buy booze or sit in front of computer all day while I have to do night shift on a Xmas eve!

So we should all shut the hell up and be more open and friendly towards each other and foreigners.

Once this wealth goes away we are gonna be poor potato nosed bastards like in the 90s crisis.

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I also agree.

yäktyyppi kirjoitti:

you met those bastards as well. I'm a local and I don't like them either. There are many nice ones too, but you have to find them first. And if a Finn is sober, don't expect any public show of emotion. That is a no no. Big one. Privately we can be extremely emotional, especially when drunk. Or gay.

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@yäktyyppi

The thing about Finland is that "those people" stick out a bit more. They are somehow accepted by the silent majority and very influential.

Fedup kirjoitti:

@yäktyyppi

The thing about Finland is that "those people" stick out a bit more. They are somehow accepted by the silent majority and very influential.

Acceptance is what it probably looks like from the outside, but I'd rather call it tolerance. I mean tolerance of something annoying, like the bad weather you can't change or the boss who yells at you. Not tolerating them would lead to an inevitable confrontation and confrontations are what people are desperate to avoid, as failure to win is yet another one of those big Finnish no nos. Also, the possibility of things getting real ugly, real fast, is ever present, as you may have noticed during your stay. So, if the bastard is a moron, who probably is incapable of dealing with his issues constructively, why start World War III with him, when you know it's not going to change him unless you kill him?

civis europaeus kirjoitti:

"Every body worked and worked and got drunk all the time.
They thought it was normal."

It is normal, in many places in the world. Just because drinking more often is abnormal in the fundamentalist hypocrite pilgrim society in the US, doesn't mean that enjoying a drink would be abnormal to the human kind at large (or notable parts thereof). While for you drinking is something that degenerate alcoholists and criminals do, for many others it is a way of relaxing or coping with the surroundings.

Many European cultures include long traditions of drinking - even that of your (or your neighbour's) ancestors from England, Scotland and Ireland. The Spanish enjoy their sangria, Italians and French their wine. The Germans - their evening after work consists of TV soccer and a beer or ten.

Drinking so much as to get drunk is a bit less common in many places, but peoples from countries like Russia, the Baltic countries, Finland and Ireland all enjoy that as well. I bet even Northern Canadians and Alaskans love a drink, too. You see a pattern now: where it's cold, dark and wet nine months a year, alcohol is more or less a normal part of life.

When you say your grandparents thought drinking was normal - well, yes, it was. The fact that all your neighbours in the US are abstinent, God-fearing Calvinists, doesn't mean that for your grandparents it wasn't normal to drink. Indeed, isn't the USA supposed to be all about mixing up races and cultures. So, whatever heritage the immigrants bring with them, it surely is normal.

By the way, if you are condemning the idea that in many countries getting drunk is normal, then you should start off by looking at yourself in the mirror. After all, to many (most?) Americans eating crap for food (what you got, McDonald's, Subway, Pizza Hut and all other places serving plastic and preservatives on a platter), polluting the air with massive cars and inefficient industrial solutions, carrying guns on the streets and not caring too much about anything is the normal way of going about.

We all have our faults, and all of our habits have a downside to them. However, the Finns are not alone with their preference for a drink, and surely it is far from abnormal to get drunk after work.

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Here we go again. Defending the dark art of drinking.

civis europaeus kirjoitti:

"Oh, and the law system. It´s totally off. You can do basically everything and still get away with it. Beat someone up, rape a little kid or kill someone and you´ll probably just get the minimum sentence. Except when you try to avoid taxes or something else that is associated with money."

You've been fooled by the scandal media. There's actually nothing wrong with the Finnish justice system. It's just that there are too many assaults and batteries as well as rapings of "minors", and too active a system of law enforcement. Whereas in the US and most of Europe even batteries are settled out-of-court or by civil actions, in Finland the state has to intervene and prosecute publicly. That derives from the Nordic social model whereby the state takes care of (i.e. serves) the people.

As a result, not everyone can be thrown in jail upon their first offence as there are not enough jails. Now, recidivists and serious offenders do go to jail - but the scandal media does well in neglegting that. They just publish news on whenever someone has been let off on a conditional sentence (i.e. sentence without prison time) or has been sentenced otherwise very mildly.

And what comes to child molesters - well, in case of true paedophilism, the offender will be locked up, either in jail or in a high security mental hospital. What you read in the scandal newspapers is not about that, however. According to the law, you can be tried for child molestation if you're 18 and make out with a 15-year-old. That is absurd to many foreigners as it is just normal that kids around that age go out and explore sexuality.

Most cases of child molestation are about a 18- to 21-year-old guy and a 14- to 16-year-old girl. When you read the newspapers, you will not know the facts of the case. But I can assure you the facts go something like this: the girl and guy went out or met at a party. They both got a bit too drunk. They went somewhere private and started kissing. The guy made a move and touched the girl intimately or had sex with her. The next morning the girl, sobered up again, got second thoughts and went to the police.

Now, according to the criminal code, regardless of the circumstances, touching intimately a "child" of age of 15 or less can be punishable, and it will have to be tried in court. As these things happen all the time and everywhere (even in other countries), it is no surprise that the prisons would be filled up to the roof if every drunken fool had to be locked up for going on second or third base with a teenage girl. Instead, if they are first-timers, they're let out on a conditional sentence. Then the scandal newspapers write in big capital letters how the Finnish justice system is rotten.

Finally, what comes to the harsh sentences on financial and white-collar crimes: in the last decades there has been a move towards economic freedom (the European Union, globalisation, internet banking and electronic money transfers...), and with that the threat of crimes such as fraud, deceit and e-robberies has been increasing. Some years ago the Finnish Ministry of Justice put on its agenda a plan to give a clear message that such crimes will not be tolerated in Finland.

According to criminologist theory, a number of factors render financial crimes severely punishable. The most important ones are that usually (always?) they are highly pre-meditated and planned; they have far-reaching consequences on the welfare of the people; and the offenders often will remain in possession of their hidden criminal gains (millions of euro). In order to tackle high-profile financial crimes, the cost/benefit equilibrium has to be shifted on the cost side: otherwise, committing a 20-million euro fraud is easier if the risk includes just a few months in jail.

This reasoning is not peculiar to Finland. Instead, it's the same pretty much in all Western countries. You should remember that in the US, B. Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in a maximum security prison. It is clear that he will never enjoy the criminal gains he was able to hide before getting caught.

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I would just have to mention that the Finnish justice system is based on Swedish law. Not only as long standing laws were inherited from the Swedish era, but the system of law vs. prejudicate, method and process of trial, and so on.

The Swedish red flag is up! Finns are so hostile to anyone not like themselves.

yäktyyppi kirjoitti:

Acceptance is what it probably looks like from the outside, but I'd rather call it tolerance. I mean tolerance of something annoying, like the bad weather you can't change or the boss who yells at you. Not tolerating them would lead to an inevitable confrontation and confrontations are what people are desperate to avoid, as failure to win is yet another one of those big Finnish no nos. Also, the possibility of things getting real ugly, real fast, is ever present, as you may have noticed during your stay. So, if the bastard is a moron, who probably is incapable of dealing with his issues constructively, why start World War III with him, when you know it's not going to change him unless you kill him?

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The majority is accepting what happens in their name by their passivity. This is unique for Finland in a larger EU perspective. One could say other EU countries demand law and administration deal with the extremists.

Fedup kirjoitti:

The majority is accepting what happens in their name by their passivity. This is unique for Finland in a larger EU perspective. One could say other EU countries demand law and administration deal with the extremists.

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Sadly, the law and administration these days have become states within a state, which means they mainly have their own best interest in mind. Promoting passivity in the general population is definitely in their interest, as it leaves them free to grant themselves more money, more fancy titles, more prime realty at a significant discount, etc. Of course, to increase their own power and influence, they also want more and more layers of bureaucracy, with as many subordinates as possible. The EU functions as a good excuse for this. Every time the EU makes administrative changes or passes new directives, our illustrious leaders found a new bureau of this or a department of that to cope with the situation. If all goes according to plan, the number of bureaucrats should be double the present by 2020.

suomi kirjoitti:

Kyllä poika puhu asiaa. Perussuomalaisen on näköään hyvin vaikeaa ymmärtää mitä Suomessa todellakin tapahtuu. Kauheeta ryyppäämistä, ulkomaalaisvihaa, homovihaa ja kateellisuutta. Nyt joku tulee sanomaan, että kyllä muuallakin ryypätään. Niin ryypätääkin, mutta ei ryypätä räkiä poskille, eikä hakata ihmisiä, jos heillä on tummempi ihonväri tai he puhuvat jotain eri kieltä. Olen 100% suomalainen ja rakastan Suomea. Mutta joskus rasistien olisi hyvä katsoa omaa rumaa pärstäänsä peilistä.

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nyt puhutn asia,vain toi että on avat silmät ja ei ole perussuomalainen tai niin nationalist voi ymmärtä mitä täällä on ongelmat,kaikki muut vain vihavat mahamuttajat (By the way why they never fucking change to word mahanmuttaja , because is generic,,not all foregnair are refugees and receive benefit,,Im European and get treatet just like finn By government,,high tax on unemployment .and yes i did work labor shitty job 5 years here that killed my health to a point im vajakuntoinen so cannot even do duuni work anymore,,and not having education (beside ammattitutkinto),and being foregnair is harder to get a job,so i dont consider myself like other foregnairs refugees outside EU..
Still yep finns only look that governemnt pay wayy to much to refugees letting other citizen rot..So finn be less envious, racist,and be more generous and learn to help people perkeleeeeee

jj kirjoitti:

I am a black foreigner, I have a job, I pay my TAXES. I consider myself as a hard working person and I get along with some finns, mostly educated ones who don't suffer from low self esteem.

I have realized that most finns that are racist have very low self esteem and feel big when they put a black person down.They complain that foreigners are here to take their jobs and take money from the state. Well from my experience foreigners especially black want to work and are usually not employed because of the colour of their skin. Give them jobs and you will never see them at KELA or sosu. They will do any job, and most often they get the jobs that finns themselves don't want then they complain that they are taking away jobs. One thing that the average Finn doesn't know is that Finns are scattered all over the world, I was shocked to discover that some Finns actually leave in the country I come from. And the funny thing is that although they look different they are welcome and free.

Finns need to be welcoming and friendly to outsiders.Above all they need to learn other ways of building self esteem, like teaching their children respect,caring for their old parents,caring for their neighbour, not feeling jeolus about what the other person has achieved,being friendlier, spending more time with their children and family not just at joulu or any other holiday, learning more about other cultures.
Don't get me wrong not all Finns are bad and they are some positive things about Finnish people but sometimes they get overshadowed by the bad things.One of these positive things is that they are hard working.

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well said

lolololololol kirjoitti:

miksi, miksi helvetissä täällä ollaan puolustamassa ulkomaalaisia ja haukutaan suomalaisia rasistisiksi paskoiksi? ja kaikki nämä ulkomaalaiset sitten ovat oikein kilttejä ja mukavia työssäkäyviä ihmisiä? mitetitäämpä mistä se rasistisuus tulee, ei kuule ehkä ole ihan hatusta vedettyä... omien kokemuksien perusteella saisivat mennä sinne mistä tulivatkin

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ja sää ot justi se perussuomalaine rasisti paskiainen,sorry mutt totta---toivoisin seruva elämä olet ulkomalainen asumassa Suomessa sittne ymmärät mitä asiat on tällä..BLA,E YOUR STUPID GOVERNMENT ISNTEAD..AND IM NOT A REFUGE BUT EU CITIZEN
AMEN

Oh come on! kirjoitti:

no they don't -.-' I don't understand this Finland you people are talking about here! The Finland I know and have lived in my whole life, is the best place in the world! And yes, I have been to several foreign countries. I can't comment on Finnish people's looks, because being one of them it's hard for me to tell. But I do find myself to be pretty, and I think all the comments of how rude, unconfident, racist, unwelcoming and alcoholic Finns are, are rubbish. So maybe we like the taste of alcohol, but we're not the only ones in the world with that. Finns are a bit shy to strangers, and don't approach strangers easily, but that's because we care a lot about what people think about us. It doesn't make us unconfident, instead Finns are very polite. The racism mainly comes from older people, as they are not used to other races. In their childhood there were only Finns in Finland. Younger Finns are very much used to different races. It makes me sad to read about these horrible things you people say about my dear homeland. And all you Finnish people bad-mouthing your own country: Shame on you!! There is no perfect coutry in the world, and like every other country ours has it's faults, but the faults are incredibly small compared to all the things that are excellent here! We're well-educated, our healthcare is top-ranked, the people is happy, and our future looks bright! Stop complaining about every little thing and be happy that things are looking so good!

Oh and just so you know, I'm a 19-year-old Finnish girl, and I want to be proud of my home, so if you disagree with what I have written here, don't tell me. I don't care. This is my opinion and I shared it because you made me mad with all these mean things you've said. I don't want to be trolled by some no-life loser, so shut the f*ck up and be happy with what you've got!

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U FUCKING KIDDING ME? Healthe care top ranked?? have ever been to doctors for issues like back problems,pains in general how they handle???is all about money,Docs only use 20 min for each patient and avoid all they can to use expence,so forgert magnettinen kuva untill u have tried so many times and your back is so bad that now is chronic,,Long story on personal experience to tell,,thats why msot of finns go to Private. public sucks,its slow,is cheap and its NOT FREE,!!R U BLIND??
Do you kniw you have to pay like if u were into a hotel when u r hospitalized?? ever thought about how the fuck a small icome person can afford to pay 27euro per days if end up in hospital??? and guess Kela dont pay,only if bill goes over 500 eur,so if u r unemploied or have little pension how u deal with that? get your fact right and experience with your skin first.
And fyi, check on wikipedia, France is first Italy (my own country ,second,,and i can confirm we have better then this cheap healt care...jesus mikä valeanpunaiset silmälasit teillä on!!!!!helevettti

p.s here speaks a sciatica chronic vajakuntoinen unemploied who had to quit his duuni shitty work due to this issue, and 5 years later i still havent received proper help. except during acute attack...so compassion lacks also in medical field..Fuck i hope u never get sick..

yäktyyppi kirjoitti:

Acceptance is what it probably looks like from the outside, but I'd rather call it tolerance. I mean tolerance of something annoying, like the bad weather you can't change or the boss who yells at you. Not tolerating them would lead to an inevitable confrontation and confrontations are what people are desperate to avoid, as failure to win is yet another one of those big Finnish no nos. Also, the possibility of things getting real ugly, real fast, is ever present, as you may have noticed during your stay. So, if the bastard is a moron, who probably is incapable of dealing with his issues constructively, why start World War III with him, when you know it's not going to change him unless you kill him?

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yäktyyppi, I so wish there were more people like you, in every country and in Finland in particular. You seem like an observant, objective and intelligent person. Thank you!!

Finn elsewhere kirjoitti:

yäktyyppi, I so wish there were more people like you, in every country and in Finland in particular. You seem like an observant, objective and intelligent person. Thank you!!

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Oh, thank you for your kind words, I very much appreciate them.

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WHAT DO YOU DO IN FINLAND? still?? I'm not happy to pay taxes so you can surf on Internet and talk so much of shit about Finns. The more I read about your text, the more I was guessing what comes next. For example 1st: too much work, 2nd: "marijuana, jiihaa". etc. There was very much good things you said (it's true, we work TOO MUCH!). and what makes so angry, is that still we get paid too low 'coz taxes are so high ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want and so they have too much for sparetime ---like you do--. Please, go soon. You are coming very expensive for us. Shame on u. Go some another country, where people will pay for your LIVING and nice clothes! PS. You are a moran. Everyone is a moran, if go so below, that separates people in Helsinki-city and to country people. How ridicilous. ;)Tells something about your development.

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Relax. You will pay high tax one way or an other. What to change something vote for capitalism.

I also think finnish people very unhappy in they relationships, they have very poor sex life and not intresting people at all. So, if you see angry woman in official office just know she didn't had sex for long time LOL)))
Men here pretend to be silent, but at home they agressive and violent, Just read statistics.

I do not recommend marry finnish guy here.
Not finnish woman.

Ååååå kirjoitti:

’ straightshit’ – I have the same view.


When I moved to Finland 12 years ago, people always asked: "Are you accustomed to the Finnish culture?”


Culture - where it is? Is it a man running down a woman at the door of a shop? Is it when the kids trample on the meal table? Is it a young man sitting in a bus and an old woman standing? Is it, as well as the adult does not know the words "Hello" and "Thank you"?
The main word is “V ! “ everywhere!

Feast day is Saturday. Then have to drink to the memory loss. The main streets look like after urinary competitions.

It’s a pity that Finnish nation do not have friends and they do not respect their parents.
Elderly make suicide every other day in Finland. The reason is loneliness and depression.



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Kirjoittanut: ...... / 27.4.09 / klo 11:53
”kauheeta yleistämistä! :o hanki elämä kuule.. oikeesti :o” – --------------- Why ” terrible generalization!”? Guest notes what you themselves do not note. Take off your pink glasses! The truth is sometimes painful.

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Kirjoittanut: .............................. / 10.5.09 / klo 21:18:
” ->> people who don't want to go work can live for free if they want …” ------------Oh yeah – and is it normal?

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very good comment!

also finnish people try to pretend to be someone else specially abroad.

p.s. but now i know where all this "white trush" people comming from to US, they come from Finland LOL)))

[email protected] kirjoitti:

I read your entry on Finland, and laughed til I cried. My mom is Finnish with 12 brothers & 1 sister, Elmi---the brothers are Toivo, Oiva, Arvo, Eino, Nilo,Sulo, John, Bill, Kenny, Laurie, Harold, and 1.. I can't remember at this time, ha, ha,

My Grammpa came from Helsinki, where he met my gramma Sel'inaa. They came to the U.S.A. in the late 30's or early 40's-and made a farm in michigan, a cold farming town, I think he worked in the copper mines then. His name was Erick Vuorenmaa, he lived until 95 and worked like a dog all his life. He was funny and drank , and drank, and milked the cows, and there were chickens, and 2 pigs
-and sauna every sunday and wednesday.

We would go there every summer, until I grew up.-we were from the 'city' Chicago, and they thought we were gangsters. Oh the mentality !!!
EVERYBODY drank, and drank and were predjudice, so much.
Especially the 'moosties'.
So much you said is true. My mom (92) is so racist, along with them all.
My gramma, was crabby all the time---I never saw her laugh.-Most of my uncles were nice to us neices & nephews, -but not all.
Every body worked and worked and got drunk all the time.
They thought it was normal.
Did you learn English in school?--
I think my gramma was crabby because she had so many kids., and my grampa would not eat with out Veeleeah, (can't spell it, but you know it.)
They were so set in their ways, not to let any one in their group.
We learned so little finnish, my mom still speaks it and all the brothers.

Did you know it is considered one of the most hardest languages in the world ?
Every thing you said has so much truth.

No, your country is socialist, too many taxes, and the government takes too much of Finns money.-because they let them.

I think our president stinks here and wants to make our country the same.
Buska.

They like to kill dear,there, and eat venison.I hated it, but I had such a good time there as a kid....it was a different world.

Let me know if you get this, and don't write me drunk-I'm old enough to be your "I-Dee'
Bay- va-
Mrs Susan

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i think you have nothing to be proud ...sorry to hear it you come from such a missfortunate family.

good luck...

lolololololol kirjoitti:

miksi, miksi helvetissä täällä ollaan puolustamassa ulkomaalaisia ja haukutaan suomalaisia rasistisiksi paskoiksi? ja kaikki nämä ulkomaalaiset sitten ovat oikein kilttejä ja mukavia työssäkäyviä ihmisiä? mitetitäämpä mistä se rasistisuus tulee, ei kuule ehkä ole ihan hatusta vedettyä... omien kokemuksien perusteella saisivat mennä sinne mistä tulivatkin

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Joka haukkuu suomalaisia rasisteiksi on myös itse rasisti.
Valtioilla on rajat jotta alkuperäiskansalaisten asioita hoidettaisiin unohtamatta yhtäkään omaan kansaan kuuluvaa. Se ei onnistu jos ei pidetä tarkkaa lukua maassaolijoista.
Veronmaksajien oikeus on tietää mihin heidän verojaan käytetään .
Epäluulot lisääntyvät jos varoja käytetään väärin ja jos niillä kustannettuja asioita piilotellaan.
Mitä huonompiin poliittisiin päätöksiin vakikansa joutuu alistumaan sitä vähemmän se hyväksyy varojen jakoa toisaaltatulleille.
Meillä on omassa maassa sormellaosoittelua päättäjienkin taholta joten miten ulkomailta tänne tulija vois vaatia parempaa ?

LOL... kirjoitti:

I wonder do you ever read daily newspapers? It's very often one sees headlines about not so honest, educated well-to-do-finncitizens. Involved in frauds with taxation etc criminal business transactions and activities.

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Nobody will become honest by getting citizenship in Finland.
Finns were honest before people came from elsewhere.
Business leaders have always had the greatest number of people coming from elsewhere.

Finn elsewhere kirjoitti:

yäktyyppi, I so wish there were more people like you, in every country and in Finland in particular. You seem like an observant, objective and intelligent person. Thank you!!

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Medical system very bad - people dying from curable illnesses.
General public attitude is “ I don’t give a f***” . Many people do not plan to spend they retirement in they lovely Finland.
You need to prove everywhere and to everyone , that you are worth of respect and you have dignity. No one respect anyone. They are never admits they are wrong ( I consider that is a weakness ). General public do not have a good manners. Gov employee do not understand they sign contract to serve the public. People smoke a lot on public places and do not consider that other have allergy’s , but in the same time claim they have allergies to 100€ perfume lol))) Resume all above : the weather is not the biggest problem here lol)))

yäktyyppi kirjoitti:

having a self esteem has been considered to be almost a criminal activity. Basically, you should always at least be able to prove you have a right to show a bit of actual self esteem. You have that right, if and when you have a written certificate stating so. A college degree will prove you are smarter than some, so that'll do, though many will think you're automatically a wuss and prove it by punching you in the face. A prison record will prove that you're tough and most people will respect that, so once again you may occasionally be entitled to a bit of self esteem. Most people will think you're an idiot, though. You can climb the social ladder until everybody is beneath you, so nobody will disagree when you simply take the right to have a self esteem. Everybody will hate you though, you arrogant asshole. You can drive a Formula1 like the devil himself to gain the respect of millions of Finns, but once your career is over, evil tongues will start wagging. You're a once famous has been, who still thinks he is something. Somebody should teach you manners, you yesteryear's double champion. Or you can spit a black guy in the face to be a five minute hero for your drunk mates. Mostly just foreigners will think badly of you. Or you can kill hundreds of Russian infantrymen with a knife and a rock to gain eternal glory that nobody can take away from you. Too bad there's no war. So, which of these do you think is the easiest way to prove you have the right to respect yourself? Come to think of it, the game of self esteem in Finland is one you can't possibly win. Everybody loses, one way or another. Why? My theory is, this has a lot to do with our history. For centuries this was a Swedish soldier-farm, you know. Does good cannon fodder need a self esteem? No. If you feel fundamentally worthless and inadequate, you don't want to live, do you? In battle men who want to live fight like cowards, whereas suicidal maniacs will pull off almost any stunt. So, in order to be respected you just have to be the last man standing or dead in action. This way of thinking is what made Sweden great, at our expense, if you ever wondered. The poor self esteem you see today is largely a remnant of that age. We are supposed to prove ourselves in combat, but there hasn't been a war for over sixty years. Crazy, but the bizarre logic makes sense if you really think about it. Well, did I ever say we're not all insane? There are some pretty good videos on Finnish history on Youtube, if you want to know more. And of course many more that are mainly ultrapatriotic crap.

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Dude you just blew my mind right out the window. If even a bit of the swedish army farm stuff you say is applicable to reality, that would be some grim shit. It all makes sense now!

..-... kirjoitti:

That was just what I think about Finland and finnish people. I think Finland is so negative and cold place to be in. So much racism, hate, prejudgice and inequality. If you say hello to a random stranger, you will be considered as little weird or a foreigner. And the most common response is a blank amazed gaze and some grumbling. Of course there are some exceptions and thank god to that.

People aren´t well mentally but still it´s very difficult to get proper treatment. Also the healthcare system doesn´t work at the moment, especially in smaller cities. And they say that it´s like winning in the lottory to be born in Finland. It´s far from it. Oh, and the law system. It´s totally off. You can do basically everything and still get away with it. Beat someone up, rape a little kid or kill someone and you´ll probably just get the minimum sentence. Except when you try to avoid taxes or something else that is associated with money. That´s a totally different chapter. Then you´re definately going to jail for a ridiculously long time compared to the action. I would say that Finland´s almost completely rotten. If I would have said this someone in person, I probably would have get beaten up and left on the ground because everyone thinks that it´s not their business. I don´t know if this negativity and things being bad part of finnish character or an epidemic that is all over the world.

In the end I have to say that not everything´s so fucked up. We have a beautiful nature (in some places). There´s enough food and fresh water for everyone.

But hey, at least we have an awesome summer...

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Been here for for years, and Finnish summers are just as awesome as winters here are hell. Absolutely agree with nature and water being awesome and some people being down right awful. Which is not to say that everyone's a walking rectum but there are a lot out there. I've lived lived in Mikkeli, Tampere and Orivesi so far. Big cities are usually more hospitable than smaller towns. Fyi dodge small cities like the plague or better yet don't migrate to Finland. Their in dire need of skilled labour but won't value your services if you do get hired. Plus workmates are hostile af even if you speak finnish!

(and I'm one of them) kirjoitti:

have this strange attitude, it seems, that they cannot change anything in their society and that those in power cannot be influenced. I think there is a passivity in our mentality, unwillingness to cause ripples, complaining only when nobody is listening.

In Finland people obey the laws, obey the government, obey the police, obey all the officials, and have the illusion that all those people have the citizens' best interest in heart. They may vote, but what's the use of that? You only have so many candidates in only so many parties to choose from, and they are all the same. There is little real public debate in Finland. Everything is left for the big brother to look after.

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I came to Finland enticed by your forests and nature. I've been here for four years and wish I had heard or read about these issues before making the jump. My observations and experiences here have led me to believe that the majority of employees tend to be passive aggressive. There's a lot of complaining when the boss isn't around and blaming coworkers who aren't present. People are generally afraid of any confrontation. Also, I had to go to a day care center as a part of my nursing course, the dynamics there are nearly identical to any work place I've been to.

Anti-hypocrite kirjoitti:

And how about African homicides and genocides and rapes and corruptions ?? Twat..... just live your life.

You mean the far numerous but less publicised homicides, pedophelia, frauds and rapes commited by finnish sovereigns? Wanker

dudefromfinland kirjoitti:

Very good :) I'm a 19-year old Finnish dude, and I agree with you. It's not a perfect countries, but still one of the most top ranking in the world. Education is top quality and other countries are trying to learn from it. Yes, people are pretty shy here, and most of my friends don't talk that much. It's like, if you don't have anything meaningfull to say, don't say anything at all. It's very weird and I would like to change that but it's really hard cause you've grown in to it.

I love my family, more than I love myself. My life is meaningless compared to theirs. I hug my mom everytime I see here. I used to hug my dad all the time, but now only once in a while. I hug and "cuddle" or something with my littlesister everytime we see. Don't get me wrong, that's nothing sexual :d Just sibling love. I'm pretty close with my brother, we talk about stuff and we're friendly to each other. I hang out a lot with my friends, at summer time I spend more times outdoors than I do at home. We usually go for a cup of coffee and just chill out, drive around and other stuff. And then there's the "bad thing"; we go drinking almost every weekend. I don't why, I guess we all just like a lot. But unfortunately, after one year of being 18 and unemployed, I have started to consider myself a little bit "alcoholic". I think I could stop it if I really wanted, but since Finland is pretty boring country and there's not much to do (atleast without money), there's just nothing else to do on weekends. Every single one of my friends drink at weekend. Who am I to fight against that? I would really much like to change it, but I really can't. That's actually why I would very gladly live in the countryside, than to live in city. Countyside of Finland is just pure awesome, you can't even think about the possibilities you could do. Atleast as a "youngster" (1-40 year old). And why not as an adult man with a family, you could probably think of a lot of fun stuff to do with your kids. Unlike in the big cities.. I hope I'll move to countryside some time. And then those stupid big city people come and mock the "hillbillies".. -.- Are you fucking kidding me, you retarded bastards?

What am I like? Well, moderately openminded. I like foreign people. I would like to spend some time abroad but unfortunately I can't afford that, atleast not yet. I'm not very humoristic, at least with other people. I can't express my self around others, nor can I show emotions. I'm just a little introverted I guess. I dream of not being such, but I haven't figured out a way to change that. But that doesn't make me a bad person, or any less of a human than others, or does it now? At the moment, I have a little depression and I've got a slightly bad self esteem. Probably cause my education-plan didn't work out as I wanted. And cause I've been drinking too much for a year and something. I'm trying to change myself, but it's quite hard, since i'm an introvert, and shy, so I can't think of a way to get new friends, and I can't change myself in the presence of my current friend-circle. But I'm seeing a psychiatrist or someone like that and I'm hoping she could help me, but so far there hasn't been any progress. I know I probably should change myself by my own hand, but that's just really hard and my mind is really stupid and won't let me. And unfortunately, this isn't that rare in Finland. I just hope someone wise would think of a good way for us to change, and open up to each other.

But on summary; I'm fairly glad of my life here, I love my country, I love Finns, but I also like people from other countries. I am not happy with the economy and mind set of this world. There's way too many problems and things that can back fire, if that's the right expression. But in the mean time, I try to enjoy my life and spend more time with my family and friends. Also I've started to write stuff to the internet, as you can see, and I'm hoping I would find some smart people to talk with somewhere, but so far I've had no luck, or I haven't been in the right places. If you have any tips or anything for me, please feel free to give them to me.

I think I wrote a lot more than I intended to. Lol

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Hey man, I'm not sure if this'll get to you but I appreciate your honesty. Thanks for giving us insight into your life. I'm sorry your going through all that heartache. I hope you make it out of that depression tunnel a better person. Being 19 is difficult and having to deal with all the expectations we have of ourselves as men doesn't help. I feel you when you say you can't discuss much of this with your circle of friends because I've been through it too. It's hard to have these conversations with other guys, because it's part of the man shit we've been fed that guys don't have feelings. I've learned to cope by talking with my girlfriend, I've noticed I can be more open with her and it helps me digest these types of thoughts. I know what you mean about alcohol too. It's a lot easier to be honest or at least expressive when you're an introvert when your under the influence. I think alcohol has it's time and purpose, but if you are going through depression I'd suggest kicking the habit, at least until you've found your balance.

Anonyymi kirjoitti:

I came to Finland enticed by your forests and nature. I've been here for four years and wish I had heard or read about these issues before making the jump. My observations and experiences here have led me to believe that the majority of employees tend to be passive aggressive. There's a lot of complaining when the boss isn't around and blaming coworkers who aren't present. People are generally afraid of any confrontation. Also, I had to go to a day care center as a part of my nursing course, the dynamics there are nearly identical to any work place I've been to.

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Good heavens, yet another one who praises the Finnish nature but hates the Finnish population. Apologies to you that we can't offer you a genocide of Finns, because I am certain that you would have no problem looting their homes, moving in to their homes and using their assets.

Jump back to where you came from, you are not welcomed here!

When foreigners ask - before moving to Finland - for advice from Finns, the only thing that is strongly recommended by us is this:

"Be nice to us and don't start talking negative stuff about us, because we close up immediately and after that you are on the outside for good."

Foreigners come to Finland with their critisism, telling us how to live our lives and complaining that it is so difficult to find friends.... guess what; what you see is a closed community where Finns and their foreign friends have the time of their life leaving people like you trying to look inside.

Do we care one bit about you spreading the 'truth' how Finns are this and that - negative of course - to other nationalities? Not one bit!

Those who come here with a kind and positive attitude, willing to learn from US what we are like - instead of getting educated by other nationalites in other countries and then coming here like you know everything, even to the point where you point your fingers telling us what we do wrong and how we are not welcomed in our own country....

It is clear that none of you have any idea of our history, our wars, our thoughts or feelings. We look at everyone as an equal, but when people like you look down on us you better just leave to a 'better and nicer' country. We don't need you, nor do we want you.

Fortunately there are huge amounts of foreigners living here who have earned the trust of Finns, who have Finnish friends and who know that they are always safe and loved and never alone. Either with people of their own nationality or Finns.

Equal treatment seems to be something bizarre and strange to you. Leave, we won't cry after you. Saying bad things about Finns seal the deal, for good.

When I said that 'everyone seems to think' I didn't mean everyone. I was just so furious that I kind of ignored and forgot about the good posts. I sicerely apologise about that.

A girl from Finland kirjoitti:

When I said that 'everyone seems to think' I didn't mean everyone. I was just so furious that I kind of ignored and forgot about the good posts. I sicerely apologise about that.

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proud of it.
This is a cold dark country. Walking today in Hesperia Park we saw only one wild rose,
no other flowers.

Because... the majority sports that passive acceptance of xenophobia and abuse of every minority. Why all that hating Swedes and Russians alike?

why alwasy blamind past history,the war.bla bla,,were u living then,,? no ,,its nothing to do with how Finland fought for freedoms,so have man other countries but have different caracters,so its just in your DNA,,Finns lived too much isolated so not used to be close to people.parents dont teach children how to be loving and careing and respect parents.but thy teach indipendece so that they can ge trid of them fast,really how loving is that?? Damn selfish ,,Sisu is one way to excuse and try to compensate the lack of people emphaty,cose none will help so better do it your self..THATS BULSHIT SISU..and where is sisu now when suicide rate so high here...???
Maybe if people learned to love also the person next to you,and be more community base ,family base then individual.they would be happier less depresses frustrated,...unfortunatly after 7 years here it has changed me in a darker,sadder being...I miss my country despite all the crap there..In Finland i got rare but RARE case of nice people met,,at moment maybe one lady whom i met 2 times but she is so friendly keeps messaging me,,even im so bad at keeping in touch..Im not typical like finn who keep in touch with phone or sms,,,IF I WANT KEEP IN TOUCH I INVITE HIM FOR COFFEE

ITALIANO IN FINLAND kirjoitti:

why alwasy blamind past history,the war.bla bla,,were u living then,,? no ,,its nothing to do with how Finland fought for freedoms,so have man other countries but have different caracters,so its just in your DNA,,Finns lived too much isolated so not used to be close to people.parents dont teach children how to be loving and careing and respect parents.but thy teach indipendece so that they can ge trid of them fast,really how loving is that?? Damn selfish ,,Sisu is one way to excuse and try to compensate the lack of people emphaty,cose none will help so better do it your self..THATS BULSHIT SISU..and where is sisu now when suicide rate so high here...???
Maybe if people learned to love also the person next to you,and be more community base ,family base then individual.they would be happier less depresses frustrated,...unfortunatly after 7 years here it has changed me in a darker,sadder being...I miss my country despite all the crap there..In Finland i got rare but RARE case of nice people met,,at moment maybe one lady whom i met 2 times but she is so friendly keeps messaging me,,even im so bad at keeping in touch..Im not typical like finn who keep in touch with phone or sms,,,IF I WANT KEEP IN TOUCH I INVITE HIM FOR COFFEE

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Times past Finland was an extremely family oriented country.
At that time, our standard of living was the least in Europe about 60 years ago.
After WW2, our country needed industry because of the war we became a huge debt to the Soviet Union.
Then, people from the countryside had to go to the cities and away from home. They were poor and in a strange environment where alcohol became a new culture.
The urbanized people did not fit well in the cities.
And the result is what you now complain and criticize.

A girl from Finland kirjoitti:

When I said that 'everyone seems to think' I didn't mean everyone. I was just so furious that I kind of ignored and forgot about the good posts. I sicerely apologise about that.

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Our new poltitians have distroyed our former culture for over 25 years.
Things you see today are nothing as they used to be.
I'm 70 and I don't know anymore these people.
We have such contradictions that were never before the EU.
The younger generation knows nothing of the time before the EU.
They no longer have any traditional Finnish culture left.
All they think is just an illusion.

It is clearly a general attitude among Finns that they are better than anyone else. In particular better than Swedes it seems. Open your eyes and read the messages on this board.

Fedup kirjoitti:

It is clearly a general attitude among Finns that they are better than anyone else. In particular better than Swedes it seems. Open your eyes and read the messages on this board.

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Swedish-speaking Finns have never been integrated into our country's society.
So on this basis it is expected that refugees will not be any better.

finnish people they are fucking stupid and crazy i wish i have never been adobted to this fucking shit country and spending 20 years of my childhood here...believe me it has made serious problems to me.
finns are a cave people,i haven t been able to socialize with them,only i have been able to socialize with people from other cultures.
Finns are very bitter and emotionally invalid people

Silvio kirjoitti:

finnish people they are fucking stupid and crazy i wish i have never been adobted to this fucking shit country and spending 20 years of my childhood here...believe me it has made serious problems to me.
finns are a cave people,i haven t been able to socialize with them,only i have been able to socialize with people from other cultures.
Finns are very bitter and emotionally invalid people

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I am currently living in greece and people here have opinion that finnish people are too shy and it s cold like in siberia in finland.
They also think that people in finland are too hard to abroach socially.
First comment that i heard was that isn t it very cold and quiet there in finland when i first spoke that i have lived in finland
i am originally from greece and it s like day and night the culture and people
....normal-unnormal

silvio kirjoitti:

I am currently living in greece and people here have opinion that finnish people are too shy and it s cold like in siberia in finland.
They also think that people in finland are too hard to abroach socially.
First comment that i heard was that isn t it very cold and quiet there in finland when i first spoke that i have lived in finland
i am originally from greece and it s like day and night the culture and people
....normal-unnormal

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and for me it seems that finnish people are even so stupid that they cannot understand these things if you say to them.well what do they understand...nothing....

Silvio kirjoitti:

finnish people they are fucking stupid and crazy i wish i have never been adobted to this fucking shit country and spending 20 years of my childhood here...believe me it has made serious problems to me.
finns are a cave people,i haven t been able to socialize with them,only i have been able to socialize with people from other cultures.
Finns are very bitter and emotionally invalid people

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Dear Silvio.

Have you ever considered why this is so? If you go about telling people how fucking stupid and crazy they are and how you hate at living here, do you think this will inspire friendship among anyone?

silvio kirjoitti:

and for me it seems that finnish people are even so stupid that they cannot understand these things if you say to them.well what do they understand...nothing....

I should take You Silvio to sauna and to see an ice hockey game one day !

I am afraid that - You dont just speak any suomi ?

We could drink some salmiakki and then talk talk talk...

What do You say ? Do You like snow and winter sports at all ?

Silvio kirjoitti:

finnish people they are fucking stupid and crazy i wish i have never been adobted to this fucking shit country and spending 20 years of my childhood here...believe me it has made serious problems to me.
finns are a cave people,i haven t been able to socialize with them,only i have been able to socialize with people from other cultures.
Finns are very bitter and emotionally invalid people

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putting aside what kind of people finns are, but you were adopted and raised by finns. i think you should be grateful for them instead of cursing and blaming.

chinese guy kirjoitti:

putting aside what kind of people finns are, but you were adopted and raised by finns. i think you should be grateful for them instead of cursing and blaming.

What kind of logic is that???!!!

silvio kirjoitti:

and for me it seems that finnish people are even so stupid that they cannot understand these things if you say to them.well what do they understand...nothing....

Exactly! Denial is the norm!

silvio kirjoitti:

I am currently living in greece and people here have opinion that finnish people are too shy and it s cold like in siberia in finland.
They also think that people in finland are too hard to abroach socially.
First comment that i heard was that isn t it very cold and quiet there in finland when i first spoke that i have lived in finland
i am originally from greece and it s like day and night the culture and people
....normal-unnormal

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Some others' normal is completely abnormal to the other.
How can the Greeks succeed when they have nothing normal to sell?

chinese guy kirjoitti:

putting aside what kind of people finns are, but you were adopted and raised by finns. i think you should be grateful for them instead of cursing and blaming.

And those who raised got one who is gold inside!

silvio kirjoitti:

and for me it seems that finnish people are even so stupid that they cannot understand these things if you say to them.well what do they understand...nothing....

We don't like anybody to come here and tell us how we must behave.
We aren't here for that!
That was the main reason why we fought for our independence to get out of Russia.

silvio kirjoitti:

and for me it seems that finnish people are even so stupid that they cannot understand these things if you say to them.well what do they understand...nothing....

I'm not finnish fyi.
Guy, calling other people crazy, stupid does not help ur argument.

and I think it describes our nature so well. It has taken me years of living abroad to even begin to open up to other people and enjoy life, trust others and expect that they are mainly friendly. There is a sadly pessimistic streak in our national culture. We have poor self esteem. We think that others laugh at us because there is basically something wrong with us.

Or that's how things were. I'm 46, and people of my age still mainly belong to the old school of Finns. The younger generation, however, has started to communicate with people around the world - Internet makes it easy for all of us now. I'm certain that our beautiful country will eventually be inhabited by a happy and well adjusted people.

Climate also has an effect on our personality. It's not so easy to socialise when it's cold outside and the last thing you want is to go and visit your neighbours. At summer even us Finns are happier and more talkative.

I hope that kindergartens and schools will do their utmost to help the younger generation to grow into human beings who can adjust living anywhere, with people from any culture - cosmopolitan people, people of the world.

My dearest friends are both Finnish and foreign. So are my enemies. I like to think I take people as individuals.

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and I think it describes our nature so well. It has taken me years of living abroad to even begin to open up to other people and enjoy life, trust others and expect that they are mainly friendly. There is a sadly pessimistic streak in our national culture. We have poor self esteem. We think that others laugh at us because there is basically something wrong with us.

Or that's how things were. I'm 46, and people of my age still mainly belong to the old school of Finns. The younger generation, however, has started to communicate with people around the world - Internet makes it easy for all of us now. I'm certain that our beautiful country will eventually be inhabited by a happy and well adjusted people.

Climate also has an effect on our personality. It's not so easy to socialise when it's cold outside and the last thing you want is to go and visit your neighbours. At summer even us Finns are happier and more talkative.

I hope that kindergartens and schools will do their utmost to help the younger generation to grow into human beings who can adjust living anywhere, with people from any culture - cosmopolitan people, people of the world.

My dearest friends are both Finnish and foreign. So are my enemies. I like to think I take people as individuals.

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Myötähäpeää tunnen ku luen joitakin näitä juttuja täältä, suomalaisten suomalaisista kirjottamia... Englanninkielen taito niin hakusalla monella... Punastuin häpeästä ja äkkiä pois. Siis eiköhän tuo avaajan kysymys ollu suunnattu ulkomaalaisille jokatapauksessa?
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Lollipop pride!

You're describing your days in Finland so vividly I almost feel I'm there again; a feeling I do not enjoy.

Deep and calm souls? Well, it's calm, deep at the bottom of a pitch. Trapped down there, no way up and out. Is that what we are? perhaps so. I escaped to another country when I was young. After years abroad, when I returned for a visit, I was stared at as if I was something strange. The only feelings that were expressed were negative. No joy, no delight in meeting again, no curiosity about my years overseas. Their world was that little town, that little country. Anything else was unimaginable.

I loved the weather in Finland. It was the people I ran away from and still feel reluctant to return to.

What a shame you were treated so stupidly. I suppose you stayed in a small town. Larger towns are slightly more civilised, i think.

OH yeah, all those!

I was just thinking.. Try to be happy and smily when its 20/24 dark.. about half a year. Sorry if my english isn't right.

U people considerate too much only in negative things. U people frogot there is issues with other countries too?

About being friendly.. Our culture is like that its strange to just start talking to strangers. But if we get to know that stranger really well I think we are pretty loyable friends.

About racism. U see the little amount of people doing it but u don't see bigger group of people thinking its stupid? Then are u really clever?

And don't u people deny that immigrant people don't do criminality too.

And. were not all drunks. And wach how much they drink example in England xD

Well... Im 16 and im not sure if this message is really in somekind of order.. Why did i even bother to write this. Dunno...

That is what I was thinking, and yes, it's partly true. BUT, when you Really start to think of things, then no, Finland is not actually that bad. We in actuality do have things pretty well, compared to many others. Sure, there are lots of things that could be better, and people really should change their attitude, but all and all, this is a decently good of a place to live in.

The people who claim that Finland is totally a shit country are often those people, who didn’t succeed at school, didn’t really have friends or did never get a good job. The nimrods and dropouts, you know. People like that often get bitter and it is so very easy to accuse the society for their failed life.

”Straightshit” is probably one, though I don’t really believe that he would be older than 18. His thoughts are incomplete, naïve and just sound exactly like the thoughts of a generic teenage dropout anarchist. No offence, but his English skills also doubt me. Can someone who speaks English that poorly actually pass the primary school? Oh well.

There are a lot of people in Finland who claim to hate their country and keep saying they want to move somewhere else. And who are they actually?
For example Johanna Tukiainen, the mocked erotic dancer and the secret lover of Ilkka Kanerva, the ex-member of the Parliament.
Arto Paasilinna, a writer who got a lot of negative publicity for messing around drunk.
The teenagers who didn’t get to the schools or universities they wanted to get in.
The people (the immigrants AND the Finnish people) who don’t get jobs easily because of their weak linguistic abilities or their lack of studies. And the list goes on…
And why don’t these people move abroad if living in Finland simply sucks? That’s probably because living wouldn’t really be easier for them in any other country…

Yes, violence is quite usual in Finland but it doesn’t mean that people ACCEPT it. Violence usually happens at the homes of people, and that’s why no one isn’t really able to intrude, if the victim won’t reveal the violence herself/himself. Alcoholism is also usual, but mostly in the small, distant cities and among the unschooled underclass.

meep kirjoitti:

The people who claim that Finland is totally a shit country are often those people, who didn’t succeed at school, didn’t really have friends or did never get a good job. The nimrods and dropouts, you know. People like that often get bitter and it is so very easy to accuse the society for their failed life.

”Straightshit” is probably one, though I don’t really believe that he would be older than 18. His thoughts are incomplete, naïve and just sound exactly like the thoughts of a generic teenage dropout anarchist. No offence, but his English skills also doubt me. Can someone who speaks English that poorly actually pass the primary school? Oh well.

There are a lot of people in Finland who claim to hate their country and keep saying they want to move somewhere else. And who are they actually?
For example Johanna Tukiainen, the mocked erotic dancer and the secret lover of Ilkka Kanerva, the ex-member of the Parliament.
Arto Paasilinna, a writer who got a lot of negative publicity for messing around drunk.
The teenagers who didn’t get to the schools or universities they wanted to get in.
The people (the immigrants AND the Finnish people) who don’t get jobs easily because of their weak linguistic abilities or their lack of studies. And the list goes on…
And why don’t these people move abroad if living in Finland simply sucks? That’s probably because living wouldn’t really be easier for them in any other country…

Yes, violence is quite usual in Finland but it doesn’t mean that people ACCEPT it. Violence usually happens at the homes of people, and that’s why no one isn’t really able to intrude, if the victim won’t reveal the violence herself/himself. Alcoholism is also usual, but mostly in the small, distant cities and among the unschooled underclass.

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are a way to belong; people who share prejudices feel they are "us" against "them" they are suspicious about. I'm sad about the Finnish culture and never was happy there. I'm not a teenager, nor a dropout, not stupid. I had work in Finland and am working in my new country, happily. I left because I wasn't happy in Finland. I'm staying put here because this is a good place to be. Returning to Finland would be a step backwards, and I have no reason to return. I look forward. I am a well functioning member of this society. Lonely, perhaps, and still don't feel perfectly at home, but living alone here is a lot better than living in my old familiar circumstances in Finland. I watched the movie "Being There" in which Peter Sellers portrays how an autistic person can be lucky in life. Perhaps Finnish people, in all their autistic tendencies, have been very lucky to make a success of their country, at least in material sense, if not spiritual. We are such oddballs that other peoples think we must be better than them, as nobody can really be as stupid as a Finn appears. And why not? Let's have them keep their illusions.

someone said kirjoitti:

are a way to belong; people who share prejudices feel they are "us" against "them" they are suspicious about. I'm sad about the Finnish culture and never was happy there. I'm not a teenager, nor a dropout, not stupid. I had work in Finland and am working in my new country, happily. I left because I wasn't happy in Finland. I'm staying put here because this is a good place to be. Returning to Finland would be a step backwards, and I have no reason to return. I look forward. I am a well functioning member of this society. Lonely, perhaps, and still don't feel perfectly at home, but living alone here is a lot better than living in my old familiar circumstances in Finland. I watched the movie "Being There" in which Peter Sellers portrays how an autistic person can be lucky in life. Perhaps Finnish people, in all their autistic tendencies, have been very lucky to make a success of their country, at least in material sense, if not spiritual. We are such oddballs that other peoples think we must be better than them, as nobody can really be as stupid as a Finn appears. And why not? Let's have them keep their illusions.

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Oh well, during your time you probably saw all names of streets, names of companies and names of Finns?

One cue: That is our culture, every name has a deeper meaning and every name is taken from our National Epic Kalevala - the world's oldest book, that is in every ethnic Finn's DNA.

We don't throw pearls to pigs. The ancient culture is there to be found - provided you want to find it. There are cues everywhere. But we are not a society that opens up to foreigners spewing negativity about us. What you see is a 'closed' society filled with old souls.

We decide if you get inside or not. And it is all based upon your attitude.

How naive...Finland is far from being good and thus can never be the best.

Cooper Tust is trolling. I hope FinlandWillNeverFall is trolling too, because, oh well, what the fuck am I reading.

There's good and bad things in any country, or can you name me a country without any racists or mean people. I guess you can't. I just don't think Finland is the worst at all.

Spudir Balir kirjoitti:

Cooper Tust is trolling. I hope FinlandWillNeverFall is trolling too, because, oh well, what the fuck am I reading.

There's good and bad things in any country, or can you name me a country without any racists or mean people. I guess you can't. I just don't think Finland is the worst at all.

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Racism is quite interesteing word - that has a different meaning in every country !

I suggest that people would use - being different more !

Black but Finnish kirjoitti:

Racism is quite interesteing word - that has a different meaning in every country !

I suggest that people would use - being different more !

they all all so 'different' from the rest of the world? Finalnd is such a beautiful country, and in many ways well organised, but people's attitudes make it a hard, if not depressing place to live. And I'm white, and born there. It must be difficult for you, as a black person. On the other hand, you're helping to improve our prejudices just by being here and being an interesting person. Little by little this country will open up to the rest of the humanity, one hopes.

because... kirjoitti:

they all all so 'different' from the rest of the world? Finalnd is such a beautiful country, and in many ways well organised, but people's attitudes make it a hard, if not depressing place to live. And I'm white, and born there. It must be difficult for you, as a black person. On the other hand, you're helping to improve our prejudices just by being here and being an interesting person. Little by little this country will open up to the rest of the humanity, one hopes.

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As a native Finn I wish to answer. One note though, I am not a typical Finnish man.
Here's my list of Finnish issues:

- fine-grained racism, being a foreigner in Finland means you are not taken so seriously
- extremely tightass pennysavers, eberybody saving ass and dick off
- alcoholism a big problem
- nobody, I repeat NOBODY cares about Finnish teenagers, see above, home, summer hut and
DVD set more important
- Finns never spend no money (zero, zeeeeeeero) money to clothes (as u can see that easily)
- Finnsih women also only thinks about money and security, but at the same time dreams about
rich foreigners which would not be like Finnish men

Fucking cold and homogeneous tribe. Sad but true.

In summer time most are a bit more relaxed.

Greep kirjoitti:

As a native Finn I wish to answer. One note though, I am not a typical Finnish man.
Here's my list of Finnish issues:

- fine-grained racism, being a foreigner in Finland means you are not taken so seriously
- extremely tightass pennysavers, eberybody saving ass and dick off
- alcoholism a big problem
- nobody, I repeat NOBODY cares about Finnish teenagers, see above, home, summer hut and
DVD set more important
- Finns never spend no money (zero, zeeeeeeero) money to clothes (as u can see that easily)
- Finnsih women also only thinks about money and security, but at the same time dreams about
rich foreigners which would not be like Finnish men

Fucking cold and homogeneous tribe. Sad but true.

In summer time most are a bit more relaxed.

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Come to a sunny place where people are friendly.

and to tell everybody who dont know. That must be joke 'cause finnish is so hard laungage.. xD

Sorry, few mistakes there.
"spend ALL the money they* got"
"I promise*"
"..Finnish teenagers, although*
"way too much pressure put*"
"as well"
"I personally think that's a good thing*"

because it's exstreamly ugly language...lol
and not romantic like french or logical like german.

nimimimi kirjoitti:

because it's exstreamly ugly language...lol
and not romantic like french or logical like german.

Only the one having perfect language ability is able to speak about how logical that language is.

Both immigrants and refugees in Finland have largely themselves to blame for any hate they recieve some people come here and pay the better and safer life they get here for free back with being racists themselves and disrespect for their hosts us the Finnish people
I have many friends of many colors I have no problems with people who are respectful towards the culture and ways of the country they visit or move into respect the people and the country and the laws of that country... learn the language yes its hard... too bad nothing good comes easy...
try to integrate you are not here to turn this into a frigin muslim backwaterland this is christian backwaterland
I'm not even religious but its OUR LAND OUR CULTURE OUR RELIGION you ARE IN NO POSITION TO MAKE DEMANDS ON HOW OUR CULTURE OFFENDS YOU YOU ARE HERE COS WE GIVE YOU A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE IN GET IT IN YOUR EFFIN HEADS THAT WHEN WE FINALLY GET ENOUGH OF YOU... WE WILL JUST KICK YOU THE FCK OUT NO MATTER IF YOU GET KILLED WHERE EVERY YOU WILL BE DEPORTED TO...
We want good people here we dont need any frigin parasites if you are a goodhearted person I dont care if you are purple I will like you... but disrespect my country and our ways and I will smack the archaic pagan culture right out of you and that doesnt make me a racist it just makes me a person who takes no crap from people with no rights to give us crap...
I know there are pure racists here too those guys are prettymuch everywhere...
You just need to remember being a racist is not a phenomenon limited to "white" most blacks I meet hate the white people fantasize about taking a white mans wife xD how effed up in the head you have to be to have that kind of poop in your brain? the also have several insulting names for white people whitey, cracka... some that come to mind...
I'd like to see you get off your whiny hypocritical high horse and face reality you want to be treated good? then deserve it... moving to a country and hating its inhabitants isnt gonna cut it anyone with brains would realize this... oops I called you stupid guess what... you are...
I think its time for Finnish people to stop bending over and taking stuff in the rear for these demands for the people we allow to enter out country and start making demands our selves...

SLAPYOFAIS kirjoitti:

Both immigrants and refugees in Finland have largely themselves to blame for any hate they recieve some people come here and pay the better and safer life they get here for free back with being racists themselves and disrespect for their hosts us the Finnish people
I have many friends of many colors I have no problems with people who are respectful towards the culture and ways of the country they visit or move into respect the people and the country and the laws of that country... learn the language yes its hard... too bad nothing good comes easy...
try to integrate you are not here to turn this into a frigin muslim backwaterland this is christian backwaterland
I'm not even religious but its OUR LAND OUR CULTURE OUR RELIGION you ARE IN NO POSITION TO MAKE DEMANDS ON HOW OUR CULTURE OFFENDS YOU YOU ARE HERE COS WE GIVE YOU A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE IN GET IT IN YOUR EFFIN HEADS THAT WHEN WE FINALLY GET ENOUGH OF YOU... WE WILL JUST KICK YOU THE FCK OUT NO MATTER IF YOU GET KILLED WHERE EVERY YOU WILL BE DEPORTED TO...
We want good people here we dont need any frigin parasites if you are a goodhearted person I dont care if you are purple I will like you... but disrespect my country and our ways and I will smack the archaic pagan culture right out of you and that doesnt make me a racist it just makes me a person who takes no crap from people with no rights to give us crap...
I know there are pure racists here too those guys are prettymuch everywhere...
You just need to remember being a racist is not a phenomenon limited to "white" most blacks I meet hate the white people fantasize about taking a white mans wife xD how effed up in the head you have to be to have that kind of poop in your brain? the also have several insulting names for white people whitey, cracka... some that come to mind...
I'd like to see you get off your whiny hypocritical high horse and face reality you want to be treated good? then deserve it... moving to a country and hating its inhabitants isnt gonna cut it anyone with brains would realize this... oops I called you stupid guess what... you are...
I think its time for Finnish people to stop bending over and taking stuff in the rear for these demands for the people we allow to enter out country and start making demands our selves...

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lets copy Australia's immigration laws and procedures lets see if we get proper respect then when we demand they learn our language and can support themselves.. and deport any foreign criminals the instant they commit anything more severe than shoplifting... any violence = out...
Then they learn proper respect before they are allowed among general population and we can also add psychological profiling as a part of the entry qualification... we weed out alot of the wackjobs we also put all kinds of fees (copy Australias) on paperwork etc to cover the costs of these things damn if you pay 10k euro to get here you can pay 5k to get in...
and you black man saying we dont want to hire black people here... yes because you are lingually impaired... learn Finnish... stop whining... geez... if you are good at what you do and a nice person I say most wont be bothered by your skin color it is your own lack of required skills and your attitude problem that prevents your employment...
so a checklist for you who want to be a part of this nation and feel at home here
1. Respect towards this country its ways, laws and its inhabitants
2. Will to integrate ofcourse you practice your religions and cultural things in your homes and your own places to do so do not tell us we cant have bibles in hotels or christmas celebrations in schools cos it offends you... you are in NO PLACE to make demands... we have gotten enough of that you need to know your place... this integration also means learning our language... also teaching your children that we are just as good people as the people of your religion and color are that is what our schools and most parents teach... not only to be tolerant but to embrace people of any culture and color ofcourse not everyone sees it this way but I have yet to see a parent that teaches their children racism... even people with racist views themselves teach their children to be better... and thats bloody amazing I wish I'd see this kind of behavior from the other side of the fence...
3. A positive attitude and a drive to take a little crap you hating every Finn cos some give you shit makes you a racist and a hypocrite if I did what so many people who come here from whatever hellhole and hated every race that ever did anything bad I'd hate everyone...
4. If these things seem unreasonable to you ... GTFO or get the fck out as they say thanks if you read this far and baibai.
Ja sille Suomalaiselle vinkujalle jonka mielestä on niin paskaa kansaa ja paska maa kuten eräs ystäväni sanoi mene asumaan ulkomaille pitemmäksi aikaa tulee suurimmalle osalle ikävä kotiin tässä maassa ei oo muuta paskaa ku meidän maan johto jolla ei oo mitään parempaa tekemist ku vetää ihan kohtuutonta palkkaa ja palkankorotuksia samaan aikaan kehottaen kansaa maltillisuuteen palkankorotustoiveissaan... muah tyhmiä me ollaan kun ei olla barrikaadeilla...

SLAPYOFAIS kirjoitti:

lets copy Australia's immigration laws and procedures lets see if we get proper respect then when we demand they learn our language and can support themselves.. and deport any foreign criminals the instant they commit anything more severe than shoplifting... any violence = out...
Then they learn proper respect before they are allowed among general population and we can also add psychological profiling as a part of the entry qualification... we weed out alot of the wackjobs we also put all kinds of fees (copy Australias) on paperwork etc to cover the costs of these things damn if you pay 10k euro to get here you can pay 5k to get in...
and you black man saying we dont want to hire black people here... yes because you are lingually impaired... learn Finnish... stop whining... geez... if you are good at what you do and a nice person I say most wont be bothered by your skin color it is your own lack of required skills and your attitude problem that prevents your employment...
so a checklist for you who want to be a part of this nation and feel at home here
1. Respect towards this country its ways, laws and its inhabitants
2. Will to integrate ofcourse you practice your religions and cultural things in your homes and your own places to do so do not tell us we cant have bibles in hotels or christmas celebrations in schools cos it offends you... you are in NO PLACE to make demands... we have gotten enough of that you need to know your place... this integration also means learning our language... also teaching your children that we are just as good people as the people of your religion and color are that is what our schools and most parents teach... not only to be tolerant but to embrace people of any culture and color ofcourse not everyone sees it this way but I have yet to see a parent that teaches their children racism... even people with racist views themselves teach their children to be better... and thats bloody amazing I wish I'd see this kind of behavior from the other side of the fence...
3. A positive attitude and a drive to take a little crap you hating every Finn cos some give you shit makes you a racist and a hypocrite if I did what so many people who come here from whatever hellhole and hated every race that ever did anything bad I'd hate everyone...
4. If these things seem unreasonable to you ... GTFO or get the fck out as they say thanks if you read this far and baibai.
Ja sille Suomalaiselle vinkujalle jonka mielestä on niin paskaa kansaa ja paska maa kuten eräs ystäväni sanoi mene asumaan ulkomaille pitemmäksi aikaa tulee suurimmalle osalle ikävä kotiin tässä maassa ei oo muuta paskaa ku meidän maan johto jolla ei oo mitään parempaa tekemist ku vetää ihan kohtuutonta palkkaa ja palkankorotuksia samaan aikaan kehottaen kansaa maltillisuuteen palkankorotustoiveissaan... muah tyhmiä me ollaan kun ei olla barrikaadeilla...

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I'm a Finn also like some of these people who wrote in here. I have lived many years abroad and I now have moved back to Finland with my "foreign" family. Those years away from Finland shown me a different way of living,opened my eyes. I'm working with people daily and most Finns I have come a cross are so rude,no matters what so ever!! I find it very hard. They don't say excuse me,hello,please,thank you. What are they thinking? Nothing. My husband also thinks Finns are bad mannered when they don't say good morning but look away!! What is that all about? Even my little children were wondering what's the matter with people when they don't say "moi,hei,terve" to them? It is very upsetting. I have noticed that I have change too much to live here for rest of my life. People are very black&white,negative,rasist and not kind to each other. There is another way to live your lives. We only got one life so live it good,notice others,smile(it does not hurt!),treat others like you would like to be treated. Live your life happy. To finish this, all I can say that Finns are weird nation.

HappyHeart kirjoitti:

I'm a Finn also like some of these people who wrote in here. I have lived many years abroad and I now have moved back to Finland with my "foreign" family. Those years away from Finland shown me a different way of living,opened my eyes. I'm working with people daily and most Finns I have come a cross are so rude,no matters what so ever!! I find it very hard. They don't say excuse me,hello,please,thank you. What are they thinking? Nothing. My husband also thinks Finns are bad mannered when they don't say good morning but look away!! What is that all about? Even my little children were wondering what's the matter with people when they don't say "moi,hei,terve" to them? It is very upsetting. I have noticed that I have change too much to live here for rest of my life. People are very black&white,negative,rasist and not kind to each other. There is another way to live your lives. We only got one life so live it good,notice others,smile(it does not hurt!),treat others like you would like to be treated. Live your life happy. To finish this, all I can say that Finns are weird nation.

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Happyheart - I fully agree with you.
I am a Finnish woman, and not at all proud of it. Moved back here and it was a great shock really!
People are very self-centered, and rude. No smiles, no sorry, thank you, kiss my ass. Now, you could say that cold people do not HAVE to smile, but one would expect some sort of politeness, like when opening a door to a mother with a pushpram, no smile and thank you, only rude and strange comments.??
They think of being educated, but educated person is polite, and well mannered, so I would say Finnish people are metsalaiskansaa (from the forest). Peasants.

They have no drinking manners, really a big problem here (but then again the state makes good money from alcohol), you can smoke nowhere soon, not even outside.
There is no freedom (see above).
They are racists, even towards me, as do not possess any more the monotonous Finnish non-existing habits, but have travelled thus educating myself in different cultures. My foreign husband has been beaten and threatened several times (NB. he is NOT black).
Their outlook of world is very small.
WOmen are generally very easy (with opposite sex) and have no self-respect whatsoever.
Spontaneity is a word they do not know, everything runs like a clockwork, too much.

Now I must be off, to pack my suitcase to get far from here.

Smile smile kirjoitti:

Happyheart - I fully agree with you.
I am a Finnish woman, and not at all proud of it. Moved back here and it was a great shock really!
People are very self-centered, and rude. No smiles, no sorry, thank you, kiss my ass. Now, you could say that cold people do not HAVE to smile, but one would expect some sort of politeness, like when opening a door to a mother with a pushpram, no smile and thank you, only rude and strange comments.??
They think of being educated, but educated person is polite, and well mannered, so I would say Finnish people are metsalaiskansaa (from the forest). Peasants.

They have no drinking manners, really a big problem here (but then again the state makes good money from alcohol), you can smoke nowhere soon, not even outside.
There is no freedom (see above).
They are racists, even towards me, as do not possess any more the monotonous Finnish non-existing habits, but have travelled thus educating myself in different cultures. My foreign husband has been beaten and threatened several times (NB. he is NOT black).
Their outlook of world is very small.
WOmen are generally very easy (with opposite sex) and have no self-respect whatsoever.
Spontaneity is a word they do not know, everything runs like a clockwork, too much.

Now I must be off, to pack my suitcase to get far from here.

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It would seem that some foreigners think that words are EVERYTHING. Sad, simple truth is: lot of words, lengthy meaningless conversations are MEANINGLESS bullshit. Why do you not try to say something meaningful instead. Or why do you oh, so high and mighty foreigner... why don't you use gestrure language instead of words. You are an imbecill, you are an amoeba mr./mrs. foreigner. We do not care about the discussions like:"the weather is rainy". Look:A beautiful red shirt! If you find us rude. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

Smile smile kirjoitti:

Happyheart - I fully agree with you.
I am a Finnish woman, and not at all proud of it. Moved back here and it was a great shock really!
People are very self-centered, and rude. No smiles, no sorry, thank you, kiss my ass. Now, you could say that cold people do not HAVE to smile, but one would expect some sort of politeness, like when opening a door to a mother with a pushpram, no smile and thank you, only rude and strange comments.??
They think of being educated, but educated person is polite, and well mannered, so I would say Finnish people are metsalaiskansaa (from the forest). Peasants.

They have no drinking manners, really a big problem here (but then again the state makes good money from alcohol), you can smoke nowhere soon, not even outside.
There is no freedom (see above).
They are racists, even towards me, as do not possess any more the monotonous Finnish non-existing habits, but have travelled thus educating myself in different cultures. My foreign husband has been beaten and threatened several times (NB. he is NOT black).
Their outlook of world is very small.
WOmen are generally very easy (with opposite sex) and have no self-respect whatsoever.
Spontaneity is a word they do not know, everything runs like a clockwork, too much.

Now I must be off, to pack my suitcase to get far from here.

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Lakkaa ny yleistämästä. Hlvetin noloa tollane. Avaa silmäsny

Suamest kirjoitti:

Lakkaa ny yleistämästä. Hlvetin noloa tollane. Avaa silmäsny

Krhm... piti mennä edelline ylempään :D

Ha Ha Ha, Finland is shit, there's so many fucking drunks on the streets and they yell and stink of rotten ass of all the crap that comes out of it. Most finns don't play sports, the few who do are terrible at it.

Finns are racist, the country is shit, there are only 2 good things about it the 1st one is that it has free and easy education. The other good thing (and definitely the best of Finland) is the fact that Finnish girls are easier than Finnish schools. Maybe it's because a lot of men have small dicks in this part of the world.

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It would seem that some foreigners think that words are EVERYTHING. Sad, simple truth is: lot of words, lengthy meaningless conversations are MEANINGLESS bullshit. Why do you not try to say something meaningful instead. Or why do you oh, so high and mighty foreigner... why don't you use gestrure language instead of words. You are an imbecill, you are an amoeba mr./mrs. foreigner. We do not care about the discussions like:"the weather is rainy". Look:A beautiful red shirt! If you find us rude. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

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razzista di merda!!shitty racist....p.s read the comment aboveis a finns who opened her eyes when living abroad...people sometimes r stuck in here and dont have choise to move back home,,so shut up and accept the critics cose infact thats your nature...metsalaiskansaa!!!!!!

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Ha Ha Ha, Finland is shit, there's so many fucking drunks on the streets and they yell and stink of rotten ass of all the crap that comes out of it. Most finns don't play sports, the few who do are terrible at it.

Finns are racist, the country is shit, there are only 2 good things about it the 1st one is that it has free and easy education. The other good thing (and definitely the best of Finland) is the fact that Finnish girls are easier than Finnish schools. Maybe it's because a lot of men have small dicks in this part of the world.

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You are kidding , of course.
Finnish dicks are big enough in size, the very next after Japanies.
So girls have nothing to compain.

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It would seem that some foreigners think that words are EVERYTHING. Sad, simple truth is: lot of words, lengthy meaningless conversations are MEANINGLESS bullshit. Why do you not try to say something meaningful instead. Or why do you oh, so high and mighty foreigner... why don't you use gestrure language instead of words. You are an imbecill, you are an amoeba mr./mrs. foreigner. We do not care about the discussions like:"the weather is rainy". Look:A beautiful red shirt! If you find us rude. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

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Meaningful conversation yeah? I'd sooner jump off a cliff than have to listen to my finnish workmates' meandering conversations about their neutered cats.

Fuckfinns kirjoitti:

Ha Ha Ha, Finland is shit, there's so many fucking drunks on the streets and they yell and stink of rotten ass of all the crap that comes out of it. Most finns don't play sports, the few who do are terrible at it.

Finns are racist, the country is shit, there are only 2 good things about it the 1st one is that it has free and easy education. The other good thing (and definitely the best of Finland) is the fact that Finnish girls are easier than Finnish schools. Maybe it's because a lot of men have small dicks in this part of the world.

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Fyi non-finn here.
This shit is coming from a deep reservoir of hate. What happened to you here

Oh yes, sweetheart, we can handle the truth.
I'm a finnish girl and YES: I LOVE MY COUNTRY! I don't give a damn if you think that Finland is such a shitty country. Okay, that's what you think, but I don't! And I won't let anyone to change my mind.

Let me tell ya, we finns do have manners.
If you're a foreigner and you've unfortunately met only those finnish people who didn't respond to your welcome, does that immediately give you the vision of Finland and finnish people?
Okay, we do have jerks here. We do! I can admit that. But in the other hand, don't you think every country has those jerks, do you? If you've only met the idiots here, well i'm sorry, but try to get to know some other finn. Don't judge the Finns for the "sorry" which wasn't heard from a finn that accidentally pushed you.
If you open your eyes and try to learn a little bit of Finnish culture, you will see a huge difference. We Finns are (most of us) friendly and caring. We love to learn about different cultures and languages.
None of you have said anything about our language skills which I'm very proud of! Generally every Finn can speak english, some of us better and some of us worse. But the main thing is: all of us can!
It indicates that we do respect other languages and we are eager to learn.

Some of you guys said that we never smile! Duh? That sounds hilarious to me. When I started to think about myself, I don't even recognize how do I look and am I smiling when I'm walking alone on the street. I think about a lot when I'm alone and I really don't think about the expression I have on my face. So if I don't smile, come and talk to me and you'll surely see a big smile. Besides, we Finns are mostly shy and reserved. It's just a part of our personalities, we can't change it. And what makes me very angry is that foreign people cannot understand that! If we're acting "coldly" it's not because we are cold for real, it's because we're reserved and that usually is taken by rudeness which I find very sad.

Finnish people love the sauna. We love the nature. We love to spend our summer-days at our cottage, swimming in the cool lake. We love to travel, we love to see the different cultures and places in this world. We love to meet the people from all over the world. At least most of us do.
I do have a lot of friends from other countries and I wouldn't mind to get more!!

If you hate Finland and you think this is the worst place to live, well I hear you, but don't judge all of us about something we haven't done.
And for those of you that are planning to visit Finland: Welcome! I'm very happy to get foreing people over here.

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Oh yes, sweetheart, we can handle the truth.
I'm a finnish girl and YES: I LOVE MY COUNTRY! I don't give a damn if you think that Finland is such a shitty country. Okay, that's what you think, but I don't! And I won't let anyone to change my mind.

Let me tell ya, we finns do have manners.
If you're a foreigner and you've unfortunately met only those finnish people who didn't respond to your welcome, does that immediately give you the vision of Finland and finnish people?
Okay, we do have jerks here. We do! I can admit that. But in the other hand, don't you think every country has those jerks, do you? If you've only met the idiots here, well i'm sorry, but try to get to know some other finn. Don't judge the Finns for the "sorry" which wasn't heard from a finn that accidentally pushed you.
If you open your eyes and try to learn a little bit of Finnish culture, you will see a huge difference. We Finns are (most of us) friendly and caring. We love to learn about different cultures and languages.
None of you have said anything about our language skills which I'm very proud of! Generally every Finn can speak english, some of us better and some of us worse. But the main thing is: all of us can!
It indicates that we do respect other languages and we are eager to learn.

Some of you guys said that we never smile! Duh? That sounds hilarious to me. When I started to think about myself, I don't even recognize how do I look and am I smiling when I'm walking alone on the street. I think about a lot when I'm alone and I really don't think about the expression I have on my face. So if I don't smile, come and talk to me and you'll surely see a big smile. Besides, we Finns are mostly shy and reserved. It's just a part of our personalities, we can't change it. And what makes me very angry is that foreign people cannot understand that! If we're acting "coldly" it's not because we are cold for real, it's because we're reserved and that usually is taken by rudeness which I find very sad.

Finnish people love the sauna. We love the nature. We love to spend our summer-days at our cottage, swimming in the cool lake. We love to travel, we love to see the different cultures and places in this world. We love to meet the people from all over the world. At least most of us do.
I do have a lot of friends from other countries and I wouldn't mind to get more!!

If you hate Finland and you think this is the worst place to live, well I hear you, but don't judge all of us about something we haven't done.
And for those of you that are planning to visit Finland: Welcome! I'm very happy to get foreing people over here.

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sorry mam,but so is my case,and many other foregnair experiences,,,so dont come and give us the crap...the majority of people here are rude.,never would offer help,never smile to u if u have an eye contact,being invited to dinner is a strange thing for them...do i continue?what makes u think that that man,have just been unlucky,or is it infact that the normal finnish person is as described,and its the good ones that are exception??????ask 100 foregnairs or finns who live abroad and thye will all tell u same!!p.s i have met a very few good friendly finns,,,but surprise is only those who liked to travel abroad,,and appreciate different culture!

katiaitalia kirjoitti:

sorry mam,but so is my case,and many other foregnair experiences,,,so dont come and give us the crap...the majority of people here are rude.,never would offer help,never smile to u if u have an eye contact,being invited to dinner is a strange thing for them...do i continue?what makes u think that that man,have just been unlucky,or is it infact that the normal finnish person is as described,and its the good ones that are exception??????ask 100 foregnairs or finns who live abroad and thye will all tell u same!!p.s i have met a very few good friendly finns,,,but surprise is only those who liked to travel abroad,,and appreciate different culture!

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ouh by the way im even married to a finn,,,i wonderfull rare one :D
but if i could chose to go back to my country i would,,shitty thing is that the economy is so fucked up there its hard..but the approach with people is so different...(im not saying that in my county they are all nice,,,no no...but the manners,,attitude towards even stranger makes u feel always welcome,,and in finland,,,,ive never been invited by anyone I know...maybe my caracter i dont know...but also because i ended up in wrong working place,...too young,,,and im convinced is because im a foregnair..so i have different view..and i dont speak enough finnish yet.---its always been me,,inviting people over for dinner,,,and we never seamed to have got invitation back!!no,,cannot even compare the difference with my culture and this.......

katiaitalia kirjoitti:

ouh by the way im even married to a finn,,,i wonderfull rare one :D
but if i could chose to go back to my country i would,,shitty thing is that the economy is so fucked up there its hard..but the approach with people is so different...(im not saying that in my county they are all nice,,,no no...but the manners,,attitude towards even stranger makes u feel always welcome,,and in finland,,,,ive never been invited by anyone I know...maybe my caracter i dont know...but also because i ended up in wrong working place,...too young,,,and im convinced is because im a foregnair..so i have different view..and i dont speak enough finnish yet.---its always been me,,inviting people over for dinner,,,and we never seamed to have got invitation back!!no,,cannot even compare the difference with my culture and this.......

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Who the fuck says that our culture should be the same? It's many times said here that Finns are reserved and rather shy, and that's true, and there's not much we can do about it. Just deal with it. Finland is not like your country, and it will never be, and it never should be. Finland is Finland, like it or not. And it's not a tradition here to invite people over for dinner. Almost no-one does that. And there's nothing weird about it, because it just isn't a tradition here. And also if you're coloured, then it's even more easy to tell that of course Finns woun't invite to dinner, because first of all, it's not a tradition, and secondly, you're a foreingner, so they'll feel reserved towards you. Totally normal here. Just deal with or leave.

im living in finland.i think problems r everywere, a bit different but u hve.
i agreed abt dat finnish people r strange n its bcz of dere culture.but most important things is dat dere systems works pretty well n i like dat.

The people of Finnish cities are offspring of those who inhabitaded towns after WW2.
They have heritated the attitude of their ancestosrs.
After WW2 a lot of Finns moved from rural to urban
and people from rural areas were the poorest and least educated population. They had problems of adaptation and alcohol problems and the family problems they had caused in their new home region. And the consequences are now visible. The reason for this is when politicians have led society out of its original order through bad solutions.

Happyheart, Smilesmile and zetyka, you're so right! Everything you've said about Finland is so true! Unfortunately, I'm half Finnish myself, so I was unlucky to be born here, but, thank God, only 3 more months and I'll be far away from here, and I'll NEVER come back!!! Over 20 years wasted here, but now I hope I will really start to LIVE!!!

The people, the climate, the style of living - either cold, completely reserved, or mean and aggressive (usually when drunken) behaviour, no politeness or manners, no openness, warmth or empathy.

Hided racism - foreigners either "steal" the jobs (and women), or come here to live at the expense of Finns. Finns hate the both nations that have colonized them - the Swedes and the Russians - but they forget, that without this civilizing help they might still be living like in the Stone Age! :)

As mentioned already many times here, Finnish people have very small world view, they think that they and their country are the best in everything. They consider themselves as "deep souls" (already a cliche), honest and hardworking people, who don't try to lick somebody's ass by using small talk. Still, for some reason, even Finns have a need to express themselves from time to time - usually on weekends - and then they go to Alko to get some courage first.

And the sexes are totally reversed here: women are like emotionless "terminators", who dominate the poor wimps called guys! And you don't even see any handsome men here, most are so ugly that I would like to throw up! The women aren't any better, though, but they, at least, have their make-up, and the AMOUNT of it proves my judgement... I guess it's the inbreed then...which is also the reason of the boring and homogeneous mentality of this nation? Or is it the alcohol?

So, if you like to live in a cold (both mentally and climatically), BORING country, away from the civilization, with rude, indifferent rednecks, welcome to Finland! There will even be one place more here after my leaving! :)

It has never happened to me that in England me being the only foreigner at the table that my friends would speak Finnish with me so to be polite .
On the contrary they have continued to speak only English no matter whether I understand or not.

waiteamoment kirjoitti:

It has never happened to me that in England me being the only foreigner at the table that my friends would speak Finnish with me so to be polite .
On the contrary they have continued to speak only English no matter whether I understand or not.

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I wonder about foreigners' complaints. Finns aren't treated anywhere better in the world than they are treated here.
Not to even speak countries where those people themselves are coming from.

Agreed. Finns are better than American slavers.

Thank you for your wise and respectful comment.

People often tend to interpret Finnish people being rude and unpolite if they don't adapt instantly same kinds of forms and ways to greet and to get to know new people. I really hope, that people visiting Finland or meeting Finnish people for the first time would realize that even though we don't hug or kiss or act the same way as you do, we don't want to be and we aren't rude towards you. When I meet people from different cultures, I try to adapt your ways of greeting, just to make you feel respected even though it can be uncomfortable for me. I wish that in return you would consider making compromises in the way you act and with your expectations about "the right way" to interact with new people. For some of us hugging and touching is and will be "spared" for only those most closest to us. And that should be respected.

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mönkiäinen kirjoitti:

Thank you for your wise and respectful comment.

People often tend to interpret Finnish people being rude and unpolite if they don't adapt instantly same kinds of forms and ways to greet and to get to know new people. I really hope, that people visiting Finland or meeting Finnish people for the first time would realize that even though we don't hug or kiss or act the same way as you do, we don't want to be and we aren't rude towards you. When I meet people from different cultures, I try to adapt your ways of greeting, just to make you feel respected even though it can be uncomfortable for me. I wish that in return you would consider making compromises in the way you act and with your expectations about "the right way" to interact with new people. For some of us hugging and touching is and will be "spared" for only those most closest to us. And that should be respected.

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I had the best conversation with a Muslim from Iraq, living in Finland. He told that all Muslim immigrants are taught in Mosques how to act with Finnish people, how to keep a distance and to understand that Finns are not rude to them, all Finns act in the same manner and that they should learn their manners so that they don' accidentally offend a Finn.

Never had any problems with immigrants, except for those who come here with a negative attitude.

When going to the grocery store I saw a bunch of colored boys talk perfect Finnish. I had to stop and ask them how they had learned Finnish and how long they had lived here. About two-three years?!?

Swedes are often stunned when going to a pub in Finland. They see how somalis talk Finnish with each other, although nobody would blame them from talking in their own language. We don't have segregation where we isolate immigrants in their own suburbs, away from Finnish people. For them talking Finnish is absoutely normal.

People don't know how happy they can make a Finn by only saying 'kiitos' thank you. One word and he or she is as Finnish as Finnish can be. We definitely do not demand them to learn Finnish, they want to learn it themself.

Finland is filled with absolutely awesome immigrants, who have learned to live in Finland, be happy during the summer and withdraw to the fire place in the winter.

Where else can you experience the sun setting down for months, only to rise again one day, making headlines in papers?

Where else can you experience the white nights, when the sun does not go down for months?

When foreign boyfriends have wanted to come to Finland and visit me, I have always laid the same rule for them: From November to January, but not in the summer! Everybody loves the summer in Finland, which is why I have wanted them to come during the Polar Nights, to see what they are made of and if they can take the dark or not.

Finns aren't rude people, it's just a culture difference. For example when finns are visiting abroad they don't use word "please" because in Finland we don't have equivalent ford for that. we also use other polite words rarely because in Finland it's not normal to say "thanks", "please" etc on every situation. So culture difference affects a lot I think.

I saw someone saying that finns know nothing about other cultures, well I would say that's bullshit. When compared to Americans or people from other big countries we know really much about other cultures and most of us also speak more languages than they speak.

Finns are shy, yes I can oly agree with that, but we aren't cold, for us it's just not that normal to talk about our feelings so much.

Many finns are depressed, I partly agree with that. Probably every finn seems to be depressed, but thats because they always look so sad, they speak so monotonic, they never smile and they act like they're always sad, but they aren't.

And about racism, maybe things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8435857.stm make us hate some immigrants. As far as I know most finns are only rasist towards somalians, Russia and Irak/Iran and their neighbours. Some situations we have reason to be rasist, but there's also streotypes which cause rasism.

At the weekends we drink alcohol, I don't really understand what's wrong with that since it makes us happier and more social. It's like americans going church every Sunday.. most people including me thin that it's strange habit and it's impossible to imagine me doing something like that.( just noticed how crappy parable that was ^^)

sorry about my bad english ..

nimimerkkivarattu kirjoitti:

Finns aren't rude people, it's just a culture difference. For example when finns are visiting abroad they don't use word "please" because in Finland we don't have equivalent ford for that. we also use other polite words rarely because in Finland it's not normal to say "thanks", "please" etc on every situation. So culture difference affects a lot I think.

I saw someone saying that finns know nothing about other cultures, well I would say that's bullshit. When compared to Americans or people from other big countries we know really much about other cultures and most of us also speak more languages than they speak.

Finns are shy, yes I can oly agree with that, but we aren't cold, for us it's just not that normal to talk about our feelings so much.

Many finns are depressed, I partly agree with that. Probably every finn seems to be depressed, but thats because they always look so sad, they speak so monotonic, they never smile and they act like they're always sad, but they aren't.

And about racism, maybe things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8435857.stm make us hate some immigrants. As far as I know most finns are only rasist towards somalians, Russia and Irak/Iran and their neighbours. Some situations we have reason to be rasist, but there's also streotypes which cause rasism.

At the weekends we drink alcohol, I don't really understand what's wrong with that since it makes us happier and more social. It's like americans going church every Sunday.. most people including me thin that it's strange habit and it's impossible to imagine me doing something like that.( just noticed how crappy parable that was ^^)

sorry about my bad english ..

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Well said, "nimimerkkivarattu."

nimimerkkivarattu kirjoitti:

Finns aren't rude people, it's just a culture difference. For example when finns are visiting abroad they don't use word "please" because in Finland we don't have equivalent ford for that. we also use other polite words rarely because in Finland it's not normal to say "thanks", "please" etc on every situation. So culture difference affects a lot I think.

I saw someone saying that finns know nothing about other cultures, well I would say that's bullshit. When compared to Americans or people from other big countries we know really much about other cultures and most of us also speak more languages than they speak.

Finns are shy, yes I can oly agree with that, but we aren't cold, for us it's just not that normal to talk about our feelings so much.

Many finns are depressed, I partly agree with that. Probably every finn seems to be depressed, but thats because they always look so sad, they speak so monotonic, they never smile and they act like they're always sad, but they aren't.

And about racism, maybe things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8435857.stm make us hate some immigrants. As far as I know most finns are only rasist towards somalians, Russia and Irak/Iran and their neighbours. Some situations we have reason to be rasist, but there's also streotypes which cause rasism.

At the weekends we drink alcohol, I don't really understand what's wrong with that since it makes us happier and more social. It's like americans going church every Sunday.. most people including me thin that it's strange habit and it's impossible to imagine me doing something like that.( just noticed how crappy parable that was ^^)

sorry about my bad english ..

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I mostly agree with you. I live in Finland, too, and I don't think that Finnish people are cold. When someone is telling a story or something, it's only polite to listen quietly. I have worked in a department store and everyone was so nice and friendly, both other workers and customers.

I say "hello" to my neighbours (and they say "hello" to me), and I use "thank you" and "please" and so do all the other people I know. I don't see why it's necessary to talk with strangers on the bus stop. I do chat with other dog owners.

It's true that some Finns are racists, but hey, racism is a world wide thing. Calling all Finns rude is also racism! And about the use of alcohol, I don't know anyone who would be drunk every weekend. Or swell in despair and emotional pains.

I would call myself shy, but not reserved. I think there is a slight diffrence between those words. Speaking English can be a bit exciting for Finnish people, that could be one reason why Finns seem so reserved to foreign people. I have travelled around Europe, and I have met quiet and rude people even in oh-so-warm-and-friendly Greece. I still love Greece, though.

I love Finnish nature and climate. Last winter was so amazingly beautiful with lots of snow, and about week ago, Finland was the hottest place in Europe with 28 degrees! Then the rest of Europe got warm too. At least we have all four seasons, and not that kind of Irish whoohoo! rain around the year-climate. All though I have never been in Ireland, so there is a slight chance I'm talking trought my hat.

And about beeing blind to own faults; I just think people in here are generalizing a lot. Everyone has their faults, but Finland is not a frozen, cold hell.

And for rebecca.c; byebye, I'm so sorry that you had live in Finland with cold, emotionless people, but after I read what you wrote, I feel like you're not a little miss sunshine either.

A cold Finnish girl kirjoitti:

I mostly agree with you. I live in Finland, too, and I don't think that Finnish people are cold. When someone is telling a story or something, it's only polite to listen quietly. I have worked in a department store and everyone was so nice and friendly, both other workers and customers.

I say "hello" to my neighbours (and they say "hello" to me), and I use "thank you" and "please" and so do all the other people I know. I don't see why it's necessary to talk with strangers on the bus stop. I do chat with other dog owners.

It's true that some Finns are racists, but hey, racism is a world wide thing. Calling all Finns rude is also racism! And about the use of alcohol, I don't know anyone who would be drunk every weekend. Or swell in despair and emotional pains.

I would call myself shy, but not reserved. I think there is a slight diffrence between those words. Speaking English can be a bit exciting for Finnish people, that could be one reason why Finns seem so reserved to foreign people. I have travelled around Europe, and I have met quiet and rude people even in oh-so-warm-and-friendly Greece. I still love Greece, though.

I love Finnish nature and climate. Last winter was so amazingly beautiful with lots of snow, and about week ago, Finland was the hottest place in Europe with 28 degrees! Then the rest of Europe got warm too. At least we have all four seasons, and not that kind of Irish whoohoo! rain around the year-climate. All though I have never been in Ireland, so there is a slight chance I'm talking trought my hat.

And about beeing blind to own faults; I just think people in here are generalizing a lot. Everyone has their faults, but Finland is not a frozen, cold hell.

And for rebecca.c; byebye, I'm so sorry that you had live in Finland with cold, emotionless people, but after I read what you wrote, I feel like you're not a little miss sunshine either.

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So, hi there everyone! I'm not Finnish nor Scandinavian (yet), but I see Finland, as a foreigner,the most beautiful country (at least in Europe). Beautiful nature, music, berries, and everything sounds tasty xD
Some posts put me to think about what's going on there. I am interested in this country, so I have a little bit of remorse somehow. How can a so beautiful country be damned with so cold ppl? Well, doesn't matter, in fact. Every country has it's good side and bad side. If Finland it's beautiful and drunk, it's ok with me. If it has good music and high taxes, it's ok again. Because everywhere you'll go, you'll find shit ^^. The only thing what most of ppl here were doing, is that they are generalizing (or smth like that). Even if 99% of Finns are racist, they are not all, because there is that 1% of "kind" ppl. So with the others. Not everyone drinks so much, nor everyone isn't caring about their family or children. Not every Finn rapes someone, nor every Finn is jealous. You get what I mean!
A thing which I do not understand it's why are you just thinking about their bad side, because every country has it's bad side. Everything in this world has a bad side (eating chocolate too).
Look just how is the country as a whole, not particular, but without generalizing the ppl in it. And if you are a foreigner going or living there, deal with the life in Finland, you could have chosen from many countries; if u don't like it, then why the hell did u go there? Deal with it and anyway, life can't be so bad there neither. Outside are plenty of countries where ppl are narrow minded also (like Romania, but not all of 'em). And if u live there, u have to find a person with which to talk smth, no? Maybe it's not ur neighbor, or someone from work, maybe will be a gardener, a seller, or whatever.
Well ... Do Finns drink SO MUCH?! I'd like to hear a simple answer. Does Finland have 420 taxes like Romania does?! I rly don't think so (I'm not trying to compare them). And again, I'd need an answer.
In some years, this country will be changed (like all of them), I hope so at least, their coldness and jealousy will disappear with the presence of foreigners (and Internet, as someone said before). Oh, hope that black ppl, muslims and others like this won't eradicate the blond-haired blue-eyed Finns ^^
Sorry for my English :(
Kiitos paljon! (I absolutely love the language  

greetingz kirjoitti:

So, hi there everyone! I'm not Finnish nor Scandinavian (yet), but I see Finland, as a foreigner,the most beautiful country (at least in Europe). Beautiful nature, music, berries, and everything sounds tasty xD
Some posts put me to think about what's going on there. I am interested in this country, so I have a little bit of remorse somehow. How can a so beautiful country be damned with so cold ppl? Well, doesn't matter, in fact. Every country has it's good side and bad side. If Finland it's beautiful and drunk, it's ok with me. If it has good music and high taxes, it's ok again. Because everywhere you'll go, you'll find shit ^^. The only thing what most of ppl here were doing, is that they are generalizing (or smth like that). Even if 99% of Finns are racist, they are not all, because there is that 1% of "kind" ppl. So with the others. Not everyone drinks so much, nor everyone isn't caring about their family or children. Not every Finn rapes someone, nor every Finn is jealous. You get what I mean!
A thing which I do not understand it's why are you just thinking about their bad side, because every country has it's bad side. Everything in this world has a bad side (eating chocolate too).
Look just how is the country as a whole, not particular, but without generalizing the ppl in it. And if you are a foreigner going or living there, deal with the life in Finland, you could have chosen from many countries; if u don't like it, then why the hell did u go there? Deal with it and anyway, life can't be so bad there neither. Outside are plenty of countries where ppl are narrow minded also (like Romania, but not all of 'em). And if u live there, u have to find a person with which to talk smth, no? Maybe it's not ur neighbor, or someone from work, maybe will be a gardener, a seller, or whatever.
Well ... Do Finns drink SO MUCH?! I'd like to hear a simple answer. Does Finland have 420 taxes like Romania does?! I rly don't think so (I'm not trying to compare them). And again, I'd need an answer.
In some years, this country will be changed (like all of them), I hope so at least, their coldness and jealousy will disappear with the presence of foreigners (and Internet, as someone said before). Oh, hope that black ppl, muslims and others like this won't eradicate the blond-haired blue-eyed Finns ^^
Sorry for my English :(
Kiitos paljon! (I absolutely love the language  

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.. Hah. :)

greetingz kirjoitti:

So, hi there everyone! I'm not Finnish nor Scandinavian (yet), but I see Finland, as a foreigner,the most beautiful country (at least in Europe). Beautiful nature, music, berries, and everything sounds tasty xD
Some posts put me to think about what's going on there. I am interested in this country, so I have a little bit of remorse somehow. How can a so beautiful country be damned with so cold ppl? Well, doesn't matter, in fact. Every country has it's good side and bad side. If Finland it's beautiful and drunk, it's ok with me. If it has good music and high taxes, it's ok again. Because everywhere you'll go, you'll find shit ^^. The only thing what most of ppl here were doing, is that they are generalizing (or smth like that). Even if 99% of Finns are racist, they are not all, because there is that 1% of "kind" ppl. So with the others. Not everyone drinks so much, nor everyone isn't caring about their family or children. Not every Finn rapes someone, nor every Finn is jealous. You get what I mean!
A thing which I do not understand it's why are you just thinking about their bad side, because every country has it's bad side. Everything in this world has a bad side (eating chocolate too).
Look just how is the country as a whole, not particular, but without generalizing the ppl in it. And if you are a foreigner going or living there, deal with the life in Finland, you could have chosen from many countries; if u don't like it, then why the hell did u go there? Deal with it and anyway, life can't be so bad there neither. Outside are plenty of countries where ppl are narrow minded also (like Romania, but not all of 'em). And if u live there, u have to find a person with which to talk smth, no? Maybe it's not ur neighbor, or someone from work, maybe will be a gardener, a seller, or whatever.
Well ... Do Finns drink SO MUCH?! I'd like to hear a simple answer. Does Finland have 420 taxes like Romania does?! I rly don't think so (I'm not trying to compare them). And again, I'd need an answer.
In some years, this country will be changed (like all of them), I hope so at least, their coldness and jealousy will disappear with the presence of foreigners (and Internet, as someone said before). Oh, hope that black ppl, muslims and others like this won't eradicate the blond-haired blue-eyed Finns ^^
Sorry for my English :(
Kiitos paljon! (I absolutely love the language  

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I just hope this language will disappear one day.
Finns build a very difficult barrier to give foreigners job. Unlike to the other countries, you should know and speak very well finnish you can do some basic job, something like you dont even communicate with people. That' s very stupid. And why don't Finns try to speak English ??!!

I was live here about 5 years, I can easily memorize unpleasant things than pleasant ones. But one thing I could say without hesitation is they are not friendly. Even Finns tell me that way.

anonymity kirjoitti:

I just hope this language will disappear one day.
Finns build a very difficult barrier to give foreigners job. Unlike to the other countries, you should know and speak very well finnish you can do some basic job, something like you dont even communicate with people. That' s very stupid. And why don't Finns try to speak English ??!!

I was live here about 5 years, I can easily memorize unpleasant things than pleasant ones. But one thing I could say without hesitation is they are not friendly. Even Finns tell me that way.

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... a different culture? Finns just are different than people in US for example. I hate spanish/italians/french movies, cause I can't stand the yelling and arm's wawing =D Being friendly and being quiet are not the synonyms, you know.

anonymity kirjoitti:

I just hope this language will disappear one day.
Finns build a very difficult barrier to give foreigners job. Unlike to the other countries, you should know and speak very well finnish you can do some basic job, something like you dont even communicate with people. That' s very stupid. And why don't Finns try to speak English ??!!

I was live here about 5 years, I can easily memorize unpleasant things than pleasant ones. But one thing I could say without hesitation is they are not friendly. Even Finns tell me that way.

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Well if you expect all the Finns should talk English I don't wonder that you don't have lots of good memories. Expesially older people don't know English so everybody here doesn't speak it.

nimimerkkivarattu kirjoitti:

Finns aren't rude people, it's just a culture difference. For example when finns are visiting abroad they don't use word "please" because in Finland we don't have equivalent ford for that. we also use other polite words rarely because in Finland it's not normal to say "thanks", "please" etc on every situation. So culture difference affects a lot I think.

I saw someone saying that finns know nothing about other cultures, well I would say that's bullshit. When compared to Americans or people from other big countries we know really much about other cultures and most of us also speak more languages than they speak.

Finns are shy, yes I can oly agree with that, but we aren't cold, for us it's just not that normal to talk about our feelings so much.

Many finns are depressed, I partly agree with that. Probably every finn seems to be depressed, but thats because they always look so sad, they speak so monotonic, they never smile and they act like they're always sad, but they aren't.

And about racism, maybe things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8435857.stm make us hate some immigrants. As far as I know most finns are only rasist towards somalians, Russia and Irak/Iran and their neighbours. Some situations we have reason to be rasist, but there's also streotypes which cause rasism.

At the weekends we drink alcohol, I don't really understand what's wrong with that since it makes us happier and more social. It's like americans going church every Sunday.. most people including me thin that it's strange habit and it's impossible to imagine me doing something like that.( just noticed how crappy parable that was ^^)

sorry about my bad english ..

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Oh yeah, its a great stereotype of Finns that, Finn goes to shoot students at school; "its OK", Finn goes to rob a shop, "its OK", Finn shoots a guy on the street "its OK"!!!

But when a foreigner does it, he is GUILTY, we should kick all the foreigners out now

Also should include that foreigner did it; "No problem, Finnish culture and nation is still safe, it was just another foreigner, they are already shit"

So good job on your bbc article as you showed everybody here that now we have a veery good reason to think that foreigners are useless unless they come here as tourists, spend a lot of money, and go back where they came from max in a week :D

anonymity kirjoitti:

I just hope this language will disappear one day.
Finns build a very difficult barrier to give foreigners job. Unlike to the other countries, you should know and speak very well finnish you can do some basic job, something like you dont even communicate with people. That' s very stupid. And why don't Finns try to speak English ??!!

I was live here about 5 years, I can easily memorize unpleasant things than pleasant ones. But one thing I could say without hesitation is they are not friendly. Even Finns tell me that way.

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ahahaha :D

They wont speak any other language than Finnish :D you know why? The same reason as French;

Also Finland; glorius nation in the world :D:D:D

skinhead36 kirjoitti:

Oh yeah, its a great stereotype of Finns that, Finn goes to shoot students at school; "its OK", Finn goes to rob a shop, "its OK", Finn shoots a guy on the street "its OK"!!!

But when a foreigner does it, he is GUILTY, we should kick all the foreigners out now

Also should include that foreigner did it; "No problem, Finnish culture and nation is still safe, it was just another foreigner, they are already shit"

So good job on your bbc article as you showed everybody here that now we have a veery good reason to think that foreigners are useless unless they come here as tourists, spend a lot of money, and go back where they came from max in a week :D

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Not after know you for a long time, many of them ask same questions: Olen vain utelias. Mistä olet kotoisin? Miksi tulit Suomeen? Kuinka kauan asut tällä? Oletko naimisessa? Onko sulla perhettä? Onko sulla lapsia? Yksi vai kaski? Poika vai tytär? Sometimes they ask me even in front of customers. I really hate that.

It's offensive kirjoitti:

Not after know you for a long time, many of them ask same questions: Olen vain utelias. Mistä olet kotoisin? Miksi tulit Suomeen? Kuinka kauan asut tällä? Oletko naimisessa? Onko sulla perhettä? Onko sulla lapsia? Yksi vai kaski? Poika vai tytär? Sometimes they ask me even in front of customers. I really hate that.

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out of here, if you are offended. what are you waiting for? we don't want forigners here.

finn......... kirjoitti:

out of here, if you are offended. what are you waiting for? we don't want forigners here.

yeah why dont you just hide out in your summer house and cover your insecurity dude ?

It's offensive kirjoitti:

Not after know you for a long time, many of them ask same questions: Olen vain utelias. Mistä olet kotoisin? Miksi tulit Suomeen? Kuinka kauan asut tällä? Oletko naimisessa? Onko sulla perhettä? Onko sulla lapsia? Yksi vai kaski? Poika vai tytär? Sometimes they ask me even in front of customers. I really hate that.

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I guess that's socializing in Finnish way. It just happens to be different than in other cultures.

nimimerkkivarattu kirjoitti:

Finns aren't rude people, it's just a culture difference. For example when finns are visiting abroad they don't use word "please" because in Finland we don't have equivalent ford for that. we also use other polite words rarely because in Finland it's not normal to say "thanks", "please" etc on every situation. So culture difference affects a lot I think.

I saw someone saying that finns know nothing about other cultures, well I would say that's bullshit. When compared to Americans or people from other big countries we know really much about other cultures and most of us also speak more languages than they speak.

Finns are shy, yes I can oly agree with that, but we aren't cold, for us it's just not that normal to talk about our feelings so much.

Many finns are depressed, I partly agree with that. Probably every finn seems to be depressed, but thats because they always look so sad, they speak so monotonic, they never smile and they act like they're always sad, but they aren't.

And about racism, maybe things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8435857.stm make us hate some immigrants. As far as I know most finns are only rasist towards somalians, Russia and Irak/Iran and their neighbours. Some situations we have reason to be rasist, but there's also streotypes which cause rasism.

At the weekends we drink alcohol, I don't really understand what's wrong with that since it makes us happier and more social. It's like americans going church every Sunday.. most people including me thin that it's strange habit and it's impossible to imagine me doing something like that.( just noticed how crappy parable that was ^^)

sorry about my bad english ..

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your english is not bad,,,dont apologize..so is mine,,,anyway,...i understand what u said about the language and people being reserved......but i have experienced and now learn that thats not just it..there is some how a lack in social behaviour....thats nothign to do with finnsih language issue..but example..,..rarely i see people helping anyone who needs it.and thats because finns may think is not their business,or that it owuld be an invstion of privacy,,such a ridiculus explanation,when to me is just sign of lack for compassion in people and politness..so polite words are missing in language and it effects in people acting as well...i dont expect people to hug me or kiss me when they great,and i understand there are differences i must accept.but for god sake,there are behavious that are common in almost all western cultures...sometimes finland seam so far away from it,,,,,like a country on its own,,,like if made of unique species...mah....and im an open minded person,,,but really cannot digest these behaviours...and the drinkin gthing yes is a shame when u do without limit and loose totally control...like girl urinating in street,..or vomiting ,,what a nice sight!!in my country people dont drink much,,,not in south at least,and if they do,,they domt do at this level..getting totally wasted..

finn......... kirjoitti:

out of here, if you are offended. what are you waiting for? we don't want forigners here.

You are what Finland is to me!

greetingz kirjoitti:

So, hi there everyone! I'm not Finnish nor Scandinavian (yet), but I see Finland, as a foreigner,the most beautiful country (at least in Europe). Beautiful nature, music, berries, and everything sounds tasty xD
Some posts put me to think about what's going on there. I am interested in this country, so I have a little bit of remorse somehow. How can a so beautiful country be damned with so cold ppl? Well, doesn't matter, in fact. Every country has it's good side and bad side. If Finland it's beautiful and drunk, it's ok with me. If it has good music and high taxes, it's ok again. Because everywhere you'll go, you'll find shit ^^. The only thing what most of ppl here were doing, is that they are generalizing (or smth like that). Even if 99% of Finns are racist, they are not all, because there is that 1% of "kind" ppl. So with the others. Not everyone drinks so much, nor everyone isn't caring about their family or children. Not every Finn rapes someone, nor every Finn is jealous. You get what I mean!
A thing which I do not understand it's why are you just thinking about their bad side, because every country has it's bad side. Everything in this world has a bad side (eating chocolate too).
Look just how is the country as a whole, not particular, but without generalizing the ppl in it. And if you are a foreigner going or living there, deal with the life in Finland, you could have chosen from many countries; if u don't like it, then why the hell did u go there? Deal with it and anyway, life can't be so bad there neither. Outside are plenty of countries where ppl are narrow minded also (like Romania, but not all of 'em). And if u live there, u have to find a person with which to talk smth, no? Maybe it's not ur neighbor, or someone from work, maybe will be a gardener, a seller, or whatever.
Well ... Do Finns drink SO MUCH?! I'd like to hear a simple answer. Does Finland have 420 taxes like Romania does?! I rly don't think so (I'm not trying to compare them). And again, I'd need an answer.
In some years, this country will be changed (like all of them), I hope so at least, their coldness and jealousy will disappear with the presence of foreigners (and Internet, as someone said before). Oh, hope that black ppl, muslims and others like this won't eradicate the blond-haired blue-eyed Finns ^^
Sorry for my English :(
Kiitos paljon! (I absolutely love the language  

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In other words you would be happy only if the Finnish population would disappear and leave more room to you - or maybe even willing to tolerate Finns, if they would stop being Finnish and pretend to be from Brazilian or whatever.

Your comment proves why you are excluded from the Finnish society.

What on earth are you guys thinking? That you are some kind of settlers, hellbent on taking the Finns out?

There are other countries with beautiful scenery. Go to Sweden or Estonia. Nobody will miss you!

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Well-- with your ending sentences, so you mean that you don't want anyone to reply to this or do you mean that people don't want to have discussion..? Because if it's the first- then you are not open- if the second- then I'm sorry you felt that way. Finns are not that open, but once you get to know them- they are friends forever. I can only speak what I think and who I am- and I can say that I LOVE GETTING TO KNOW NEW PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES AND NATIONS.. So, if you wanna have friend- then come to me.

Minnuska88 kirjoitti:

Well-- with your ending sentences, so you mean that you don't want anyone to reply to this or do you mean that people don't want to have discussion..? Because if it's the first- then you are not open- if the second- then I'm sorry you felt that way. Finns are not that open, but once you get to know them- they are friends forever. I can only speak what I think and who I am- and I can say that I LOVE GETTING TO KNOW NEW PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES AND NATIONS.. So, if you wanna have friend- then come to me.

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yeah yeah foreever my asdd...ive seen freind ship of 10 years ending for stuoid fight...and in my case, finnish friedn who considered me so close and nice person...when they lived in italy ,suddelty they turned back on me when i moved to finand....the anser to my wuestion whats was happening' i was told..they felt we had different interest..friednship is a bulshit..and dont last.

finns know how to bully people, most of the people, even adults, need someone to bully to feel better in their shitty lives, no wonder suicide rate is high and mass murders happen.

gangbullied kirjoitti:

finns know how to bully people, most of the people, even adults, need someone to bully to feel better in their shitty lives, no wonder suicide rate is high and mass murders happen.

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Now let's get real. The original question was about opinions of Finns, in general. Then we get a girl writing about how she smiles every day etc etc.
This is an open forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether negative or positive.

Apparently the Finns do not like when others critizise them, that is a fact.
Being a barefoot Finn myself, and having lived widely abroad, also discussed this matter with friends, both foreigners and natives, the conclusion is that there are good and bad persons, and influences everywhere.
But a prototype Finn - not too many smiles, keep everything to yourself, do not care of their neighbours, others (one could lie unconscious on the street and people just walk by), always counting everything in terms of money, spending. Tight (crabs in their pockets).
The women have a worldwide reputation of being easy.
No sense of dresscode, whatsoever.
Their honesty boarders stupidity.

Of course there is the beautiful climate, that is the snow in the parks, winter. But the darkness takes its toll, eventually.
They can be very polite, when want to, but racism... I do not venture to this subject.

smiley? kirjoitti:

Now let's get real. The original question was about opinions of Finns, in general. Then we get a girl writing about how she smiles every day etc etc.
This is an open forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether negative or positive.

Apparently the Finns do not like when others critizise them, that is a fact.
Being a barefoot Finn myself, and having lived widely abroad, also discussed this matter with friends, both foreigners and natives, the conclusion is that there are good and bad persons, and influences everywhere.
But a prototype Finn - not too many smiles, keep everything to yourself, do not care of their neighbours, others (one could lie unconscious on the street and people just walk by), always counting everything in terms of money, spending. Tight (crabs in their pockets).
The women have a worldwide reputation of being easy.
No sense of dresscode, whatsoever.
Their honesty boarders stupidity.

Of course there is the beautiful climate, that is the snow in the parks, winter. But the darkness takes its toll, eventually.
They can be very polite, when want to, but racism... I do not venture to this subject.

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and their "I don`t give a merde what you think of me/us" attitude. So should we!!!!!

gangbullied kirjoitti:

finns know how to bully people, most of the people, even adults, need someone to bully to feel better in their shitty lives, no wonder suicide rate is high and mass murders happen.

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What the fuck. Really? Compare Finland to USA. joo siis haistakaa ny paska, usassa vähintää 10 ihmistä ammutaa vittu joka päivä, ja nää haukkuu suomee joidenki kahen kouluammuskelun takia. MITÄ VITTUA :D ja itsemurhamäärä? jenkeissä joka päivä tehään itsemurhia. ja lukekaa ny vittu edes uutisia. amerikassa tukehdutettiin 2-vuotias vauva ja heitettiin mettään eikä se äiti edes joutunu vankilaa, amerikassa ammuttiin haulikolla lapsi joka leikki kotipihallansa, amerikassa 17-vuotias ampu 14-vuotiasta 2 kertaa päähän KOULUTUNNILLA. siis vittu näitä riittää iha liikaa. Joo eihän suomi mikää täydellinen maa ookkaa, mutta helvetti, haukkukaa jenkkejä ja tulkaa sitte haukkuun suomee.

Here some thoughs:

Finns really know about and tolerate extremely lot other cultures (not all of them, African cultures for example). If for example when Italian tourists come to F and are very loudy we think: That is their nature, it's not because they are impolite. Many other countrys people really piss of because of diferent manners of their own...

Somebody said that it's hard to get a job without finnish language skills and the finns should speak more english. COME ON! Think about your country... does that happen there and if it's an english-speaking country it would be just the same if I spoke just finnish and insisted that for the others.
I don't know why you came here. But I wouldn't move to a new country without a job or language skills.

I really think the Finns are very deep people!! At least we are NOT superficial at all! Status things, money, showing-off etc things exist very little! Generally people do not show their richness. Everybody wants to be igual with others.

Finns love the silence (not allways!!), going to nature to relax and falling to their own thoughs. It is actually some kind of meditacion (not sure thought :) ) I just learned the reason for this while living in a city with more than 10 million habitants. Here I can't do that anywhere! I can't think and get energy to do allmost anything! My brains are going to explode. We just love to think and need to do that too!
We are not religious but spiritual!

Finns care other people even more than theirselves: Sometimes we do not want someone to help us because we don't want him/her to be bothered (not the best word here, but you got the idea i think)
This kind of behaviour was impolite in my new "homecountry".

Finns doesn't drink that often but when we drink, yes, we drink quite a lot :)
And I think it is normal :D

Finns have GREAT HUMOUR!! Really great! Features of finnish humour are for example: Jokes of one's self;
Alcohol ;D, complexity (Sometimes it really has that!), secularity...
Things with finnish humour does NOT have: simplicity, showing-off, "funny" faces and movements ("Jim Carrey" or "ahcmed the dead terrorist" - I can't watch them :S (youtube))
Finns also laugh more than in any other place where a have been travelling (Italy, Latin America, Sweden, Lithuania, Germany etc.) for my opinion. [Please comment]

If call all the finns racists etc. you really are a racist yourself.

Finns really don't like small talk depending on what is it meaning. We say something humorous or necessary or then we don't say anything! If there is not anything to say -> silence. In speech the quality wins the quantity!!
Finns in the cities seldom start a conversation to a person they don't know but hey, where does it happen? :D

A had a lot more on mind but don't remember anymore...

Please comment and especially for foreigners in Finland: I know it's hard to live in different culture. You just have to find good things of the culture and learn the language witch is very important everywhere! Also think why people behave like that and learn the history too!!

Great christmas time and new year to everyone!

minä se vaan kirjoitti:

Here some thoughs:

Finns really know about and tolerate extremely lot other cultures (not all of them, African cultures for example). If for example when Italian tourists come to F and are very loudy we think: That is their nature, it's not because they are impolite. Many other countrys people really piss of because of diferent manners of their own...

Somebody said that it's hard to get a job without finnish language skills and the finns should speak more english. COME ON! Think about your country... does that happen there and if it's an english-speaking country it would be just the same if I spoke just finnish and insisted that for the others.
I don't know why you came here. But I wouldn't move to a new country without a job or language skills.

I really think the Finns are very deep people!! At least we are NOT superficial at all! Status things, money, showing-off etc things exist very little! Generally people do not show their richness. Everybody wants to be igual with others.

Finns love the silence (not allways!!), going to nature to relax and falling to their own thoughs. It is actually some kind of meditacion (not sure thought :) ) I just learned the reason for this while living in a city with more than 10 million habitants. Here I can't do that anywhere! I can't think and get energy to do allmost anything! My brains are going to explode. We just love to think and need to do that too!
We are not religious but spiritual!

Finns care other people even more than theirselves: Sometimes we do not want someone to help us because we don't want him/her to be bothered (not the best word here, but you got the idea i think)
This kind of behaviour was impolite in my new "homecountry".

Finns doesn't drink that often but when we drink, yes, we drink quite a lot :)
And I think it is normal :D

Finns have GREAT HUMOUR!! Really great! Features of finnish humour are for example: Jokes of one's self;
Alcohol ;D, complexity (Sometimes it really has that!), secularity...
Things with finnish humour does NOT have: simplicity, showing-off, "funny" faces and movements ("Jim Carrey" or "ahcmed the dead terrorist" - I can't watch them :S (youtube))
Finns also laugh more than in any other place where a have been travelling (Italy, Latin America, Sweden, Lithuania, Germany etc.) for my opinion. [Please comment]

If call all the finns racists etc. you really are a racist yourself.

Finns really don't like small talk depending on what is it meaning. We say something humorous or necessary or then we don't say anything! If there is not anything to say -> silence. In speech the quality wins the quantity!!
Finns in the cities seldom start a conversation to a person they don't know but hey, where does it happen? :D

A had a lot more on mind but don't remember anymore...

Please comment and especially for foreigners in Finland: I know it's hard to live in different culture. You just have to find good things of the culture and learn the language witch is very important everywhere! Also think why people behave like that and learn the history too!!

Great christmas time and new year to everyone!

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I've lived in Finland for about 2.5 years now. Half of it in the countryside and the other half in Helsinki. It has been a very different experience. In the countryside, all my friends were Finns and they proved to be very welcoming and friendly.
Helsinki has been a very different experience: all my friends here are foreign except one.
So what do I think about Finland? It has been a "mixed bag" which honestly has also been the case in other countries I have lived in. One thing you will all have heard before: it is bloody difficult to meet people in Helsinki and I start to wonder how one should go about it :)?
I find it also difficult to cope with the black and white approach to things Finns have, but not to an extent where life here is unbearable. Overall, living here has been a positive experience.
In some posts above, I can read things I have read while living in other countries. Same frustrations from local people, same frustrations from expats side. This is just to say that often when talking about the country once has emigrated to judgements are not objective anymore and might reflect more frustration when comparing the host country to the home country.... anyway, that is just a thought, having been an expat in 3 different countries for 20 years :)

All in all, some pattern/topics when talking about Finland and foreigners are the same then those I heard when I lived in Ireland or my parents might have talked about some 50 years ago.... this is just to say that emmigration or whatever you call it is just new to Finland...and you will get a mixed bag of reactions: enthusiasm ... and quite the opposite at times

Camaleao kirjoitti:

I've lived in Finland for about 2.5 years now. Half of it in the countryside and the other half in Helsinki. It has been a very different experience. In the countryside, all my friends were Finns and they proved to be very welcoming and friendly.
Helsinki has been a very different experience: all my friends here are foreign except one.
So what do I think about Finland? It has been a "mixed bag" which honestly has also been the case in other countries I have lived in. One thing you will all have heard before: it is bloody difficult to meet people in Helsinki and I start to wonder how one should go about it :)?
I find it also difficult to cope with the black and white approach to things Finns have, but not to an extent where life here is unbearable. Overall, living here has been a positive experience.
In some posts above, I can read things I have read while living in other countries. Same frustrations from local people, same frustrations from expats side. This is just to say that often when talking about the country once has emigrated to judgements are not objective anymore and might reflect more frustration when comparing the host country to the home country.... anyway, that is just a thought, having been an expat in 3 different countries for 20 years :)

All in all, some pattern/topics when talking about Finland and foreigners are the same then those I heard when I lived in Ireland or my parents might have talked about some 50 years ago.... this is just to say that emmigration or whatever you call it is just new to Finland...and you will get a mixed bag of reactions: enthusiasm ... and quite the opposite at times

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I've just spent about 30 mns reading everything here and I have to say I'm very sad of what I see...

I'm not French and never lived or even visited Finland. But I do have a huge interest for this country and it's people which, from the outside I do not see at all as bad people.
I've lived in Norway for a year a long time ago. I went there without knowing any Norwegian language and only a little English. It was my very first trip alone, I was just 20 and I went straight up to a farm in a village called Hattfjelldal. I arrived in this Norwegian familly and thought I was on another planet.

I met peole who were "descreet" and "mistrustfull". I think it is more conveniant than shy or reserved (in my opinion). On their side, they must have had ambiguous feelings too because being French I can seem a little "in your face" even though I'm not of an exuberant nature. But simply I've never been affraid to talk naturaly to whoever I have in front of me.


I'm telling the story because I believe that the Finnish state of mind must not be very far off the Norwegian one. I don't think it's a Finnish issue, but more a Scandinavian one actualy (but i can be wrong).

So basicaly, it took us quite a while to get used to each other and it wasn't that easy, expecialy because we had to live together (I also had to take care of four children raised in the Norwegian fashion which is very different from the French one) but progressively, we learned to understand and tame each other, I believe it takes a lot of patience, tolerance and most importantly dialogue.

I had to make the effort and to take the risk of speaking my heart in order to get them to oepn up to me. In the start it wasn't easy and I got a few bad looks, but after a while a true relation took place and they opened up as well to the point where I became almost part of the familly. I went to church with them (even though I'm not a believer) they presented me all their friends and I even got to spend long nights talking to the father's couple issues! which I thought was quite a miracle!

All of this to says that, I believe that the best way to get inside someone's closed off world is to "stand beside him/her" listen, wait and let it come. Eventualy it will hapen.

To the strangers living in finland, and who find finnish people harsh, let me just remind you of one thing: When you go to another country, no matter which one it is, the first thing you have to do is to adapt yourself and your behaviour to it and to it's people. Do not wait for them to adapt to you, because it will not happen and it shouldn't happen. When someone comes into your house, into your intimity, you expect from him to respect you and your way of life and if he goes and get himself a beer in your fridge you'll look at him like he's an arshole, and you'd be right. Well it's the same when you get in someone's country, a country is a house, with it's rules and it's own identity, and it is important that it keeps it. how would you feel if someone tried to change your identity?...

I'm saying this because as a traveler, I often see strangers not adapting to where they go and expecti ng others to change everything around them because THEY are here now. I'm not making a generality, there is allways exceptions, but most of the time it's working that way and I don't think it's correct.

Concerning the racism issues... Unfortunatly, It's the same in all countries in this mad world. And that comes from the lake of respect I talked about I think. People not wanting to adapt to where they are. it's been going on for ages all over the world. We all go along on this planet trying to apropriate ourselves everything because we just think it's normal. We forget that nothing on here is ours, and nothing will ever be. We are just people who have illusions of owning things and each other. But that's illusion.

Anyway... I'll end this saying, that, personaly, I have issues against no one, I do love people, no matter where they are from. We all have something to bring to each other no matter how many differences we have, and it makes me deeply sad to see how trivial issues can come and compromise the "true" richess that we could have if we were trying one second to put our egos apart and not be affraid to open up and take some emotional risks.

I'm still in touch with my Norwegian familly today, and I'm not affraid to tell them that I love them. They don't say it back, but I know thatit touches them deep inside and that's exactly what i want. I don't need any return. I just want them to know I'm here and how I feel because there is nothing more important in the world than knowing that you are loved and not alone in this world.

Take kare of yourselves, and enjoy your lives.
Isa

isaloween kirjoitti:

I've just spent about 30 mns reading everything here and I have to say I'm very sad of what I see...

I'm not French and never lived or even visited Finland. But I do have a huge interest for this country and it's people which, from the outside I do not see at all as bad people.
I've lived in Norway for a year a long time ago. I went there without knowing any Norwegian language and only a little English. It was my very first trip alone, I was just 20 and I went straight up to a farm in a village called Hattfjelldal. I arrived in this Norwegian familly and thought I was on another planet.

I met peole who were "descreet" and "mistrustfull". I think it is more conveniant than shy or reserved (in my opinion). On their side, they must have had ambiguous feelings too because being French I can seem a little "in your face" even though I'm not of an exuberant nature. But simply I've never been affraid to talk naturaly to whoever I have in front of me.


I'm telling the story because I believe that the Finnish state of mind must not be very far off the Norwegian one. I don't think it's a Finnish issue, but more a Scandinavian one actualy (but i can be wrong).

So basicaly, it took us quite a while to get used to each other and it wasn't that easy, expecialy because we had to live together (I also had to take care of four children raised in the Norwegian fashion which is very different from the French one) but progressively, we learned to understand and tame each other, I believe it takes a lot of patience, tolerance and most importantly dialogue.

I had to make the effort and to take the risk of speaking my heart in order to get them to oepn up to me. In the start it wasn't easy and I got a few bad looks, but after a while a true relation took place and they opened up as well to the point where I became almost part of the familly. I went to church with them (even though I'm not a believer) they presented me all their friends and I even got to spend long nights talking to the father's couple issues! which I thought was quite a miracle!

All of this to says that, I believe that the best way to get inside someone's closed off world is to "stand beside him/her" listen, wait and let it come. Eventualy it will hapen.

To the strangers living in finland, and who find finnish people harsh, let me just remind you of one thing: When you go to another country, no matter which one it is, the first thing you have to do is to adapt yourself and your behaviour to it and to it's people. Do not wait for them to adapt to you, because it will not happen and it shouldn't happen. When someone comes into your house, into your intimity, you expect from him to respect you and your way of life and if he goes and get himself a beer in your fridge you'll look at him like he's an arshole, and you'd be right. Well it's the same when you get in someone's country, a country is a house, with it's rules and it's own identity, and it is important that it keeps it. how would you feel if someone tried to change your identity?...

I'm saying this because as a traveler, I often see strangers not adapting to where they go and expecti ng others to change everything around them because THEY are here now. I'm not making a generality, there is allways exceptions, but most of the time it's working that way and I don't think it's correct.

Concerning the racism issues... Unfortunatly, It's the same in all countries in this mad world. And that comes from the lake of respect I talked about I think. People not wanting to adapt to where they are. it's been going on for ages all over the world. We all go along on this planet trying to apropriate ourselves everything because we just think it's normal. We forget that nothing on here is ours, and nothing will ever be. We are just people who have illusions of owning things and each other. But that's illusion.

Anyway... I'll end this saying, that, personaly, I have issues against no one, I do love people, no matter where they are from. We all have something to bring to each other no matter how many differences we have, and it makes me deeply sad to see how trivial issues can come and compromise the "true" richess that we could have if we were trying one second to put our egos apart and not be affraid to open up and take some emotional risks.

I'm still in touch with my Norwegian familly today, and I'm not affraid to tell them that I love them. They don't say it back, but I know thatit touches them deep inside and that's exactly what i want. I don't need any return. I just want them to know I'm here and how I feel because there is nothing more important in the world than knowing that you are loved and not alone in this world.

Take kare of yourselves, and enjoy your lives.
Isa

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I meant I am French...

:o)

minä se vaan kirjoitti:

Here some thoughs:

Finns really know about and tolerate extremely lot other cultures (not all of them, African cultures for example). If for example when Italian tourists come to F and are very loudy we think: That is their nature, it's not because they are impolite. Many other countrys people really piss of because of diferent manners of their own...

Somebody said that it's hard to get a job without finnish language skills and the finns should speak more english. COME ON! Think about your country... does that happen there and if it's an english-speaking country it would be just the same if I spoke just finnish and insisted that for the others.
I don't know why you came here. But I wouldn't move to a new country without a job or language skills.

I really think the Finns are very deep people!! At least we are NOT superficial at all! Status things, money, showing-off etc things exist very little! Generally people do not show their richness. Everybody wants to be igual with others.

Finns love the silence (not allways!!), going to nature to relax and falling to their own thoughs. It is actually some kind of meditacion (not sure thought :) ) I just learned the reason for this while living in a city with more than 10 million habitants. Here I can't do that anywhere! I can't think and get energy to do allmost anything! My brains are going to explode. We just love to think and need to do that too!
We are not religious but spiritual!

Finns care other people even more than theirselves: Sometimes we do not want someone to help us because we don't want him/her to be bothered (not the best word here, but you got the idea i think)
This kind of behaviour was impolite in my new "homecountry".

Finns doesn't drink that often but when we drink, yes, we drink quite a lot :)
And I think it is normal :D

Finns have GREAT HUMOUR!! Really great! Features of finnish humour are for example: Jokes of one's self;
Alcohol ;D, complexity (Sometimes it really has that!), secularity...
Things with finnish humour does NOT have: simplicity, showing-off, "funny" faces and movements ("Jim Carrey" or "ahcmed the dead terrorist" - I can't watch them :S (youtube))
Finns also laugh more than in any other place where a have been travelling (Italy, Latin America, Sweden, Lithuania, Germany etc.) for my opinion. [Please comment]

If call all the finns racists etc. you really are a racist yourself.

Finns really don't like small talk depending on what is it meaning. We say something humorous or necessary or then we don't say anything! If there is not anything to say -> silence. In speech the quality wins the quantity!!
Finns in the cities seldom start a conversation to a person they don't know but hey, where does it happen? :D

A had a lot more on mind but don't remember anymore...

Please comment and especially for foreigners in Finland: I know it's hard to live in different culture. You just have to find good things of the culture and learn the language witch is very important everywhere! Also think why people behave like that and learn the history too!!

Great christmas time and new year to everyone!

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Finns have no sense of humor, you make a joke and they frown all the fucking time. They even frown if you use official terms like African American, Mexican American, Hispanic American... and they love to go camping to their shit forests with the Confederate flag for tent. Racists!

isaloween kirjoitti:

I meant I am French...

:o)

It's great to read that someone can think so openly like you do.Finnish are little bit like Norwegian.First,we not talking so mutch ouer own business and that is ouer own adituted and culture.But if you want to talk with someone example wheatre in bus station,you need say "hi" and i think you get back "hi" and maybe more.
If someone come to other country and say to me "hi", i say to back to "hi" and want to know where he/she coming and what he/he thinking about Finland and finnish people.
Finnish people are honest and helpful,like we are saying"kaveria ei jätetä" which meen that we do not leave ouer own friends,not even war.


Welcome to Finland:)

minä se vaan kirjoitti:

Here some thoughs:

Finns really know about and tolerate extremely lot other cultures (not all of them, African cultures for example). If for example when Italian tourists come to F and are very loudy we think: That is their nature, it's not because they are impolite. Many other countrys people really piss of because of diferent manners of their own...

Somebody said that it's hard to get a job without finnish language skills and the finns should speak more english. COME ON! Think about your country... does that happen there and if it's an english-speaking country it would be just the same if I spoke just finnish and insisted that for the others.
I don't know why you came here. But I wouldn't move to a new country without a job or language skills.

I really think the Finns are very deep people!! At least we are NOT superficial at all! Status things, money, showing-off etc things exist very little! Generally people do not show their richness. Everybody wants to be igual with others.

Finns love the silence (not allways!!), going to nature to relax and falling to their own thoughs. It is actually some kind of meditacion (not sure thought :) ) I just learned the reason for this while living in a city with more than 10 million habitants. Here I can't do that anywhere! I can't think and get energy to do allmost anything! My brains are going to explode. We just love to think and need to do that too!
We are not religious but spiritual!

Finns care other people even more than theirselves: Sometimes we do not want someone to help us because we don't want him/her to be bothered (not the best word here, but you got the idea i think)
This kind of behaviour was impolite in my new "homecountry".

Finns doesn't drink that often but when we drink, yes, we drink quite a lot :)
And I think it is normal :D

Finns have GREAT HUMOUR!! Really great! Features of finnish humour are for example: Jokes of one's self;
Alcohol ;D, complexity (Sometimes it really has that!), secularity...
Things with finnish humour does NOT have: simplicity, showing-off, "funny" faces and movements ("Jim Carrey" or "ahcmed the dead terrorist" - I can't watch them :S (youtube))
Finns also laugh more than in any other place where a have been travelling (Italy, Latin America, Sweden, Lithuania, Germany etc.) for my opinion. [Please comment]

If call all the finns racists etc. you really are a racist yourself.

Finns really don't like small talk depending on what is it meaning. We say something humorous or necessary or then we don't say anything! If there is not anything to say -> silence. In speech the quality wins the quantity!!
Finns in the cities seldom start a conversation to a person they don't know but hey, where does it happen? :D

A had a lot more on mind but don't remember anymore...

Please comment and especially for foreigners in Finland: I know it's hard to live in different culture. You just have to find good things of the culture and learn the language witch is very important everywhere! Also think why people behave like that and learn the history too!!

Great christmas time and new year to everyone!

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Thank you for your highly interesting posts, typical self-reflection, a Finnish feature that the majority of the world could learn from.

You mentioned the dreadful smalltalk... I got a Swedish man to stop after he once again asked "How are you doing" when calling in business matters.

"Oh well, I have had a headache for a week. My sister moved to a new apartment. Yesteday I had meatloaf" - which is when he went straight to the matter and never asked me 'How are you doing?' again.

I wanted to see if he is genuinely interested in my wellbeing, or if he is just throwing around superficial nonsense. He asked and I replied back. LOL

Graphic xD

now you go fuck foreigners thinking that it would raise your self-esteem ...haha suomi tytöt aivan hukassa. Be proud of your country.............. Finland is one of the most advanced countries in terms of human and technological development.

be.proud.finns kirjoitti:

now you go fuck foreigners thinking that it would raise your self-esteem ...haha suomi tytöt aivan hukassa. Be proud of your country.............. Finland is one of the most advanced countries in terms of human and technological development.

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Näin.Mikään maa ei ole täydellinen.Suomalaisten vika on se,että he luulevat että Suomi on huono maa ja mikää vain muu maa on parempi.Suomalaisten pitäisi olla ylpeitä.Meillä on rikas kulttuuri ja olemme hyvinvointimaa.Olemme erillaisia.Kielellisesti ja geenisesti.Ymmärrän kyllä miksi se on vaikeaa olla ylpeä kun ruotsalaiset ja venäläiset ovat hallinneet suomalaisia vuosisatoja ja valehdelleet suomalaisten historiasta.


Meillä on kaunis luonto.Kaunis raikas talvi ja kuuma kesä.Paljon järviä.Meillä on paljon hyviä bändejä myös.Teimme Nokian.Sanoimme ei Neuvostoliitolle ja puolustimme maatamme.Pieni maa esti suuren Neuvostoliiton.Maksoimme ensimmäiseksi sotavelkamme.Vanha kunnon suomalainen sisu on pitänyt meidät tällä pohjolassa elossa,vahvana.

Olkaa perkele ylpeitä suomalaiset!

be.proud.finns kirjoitti:

now you go fuck foreigners thinking that it would raise your self-esteem ...haha suomi tytöt aivan hukassa. Be proud of your country.............. Finland is one of the most advanced countries in terms of human and technological development.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a bad joke

be.proud.finns kirjoitti:

now you go fuck foreigners thinking that it would raise your self-esteem ...haha suomi tytöt aivan hukassa. Be proud of your country.............. Finland is one of the most advanced countries in terms of human and technological development.

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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 fuck yourself with your stupid lies advanced country? What a bad joke