Miksi Paul Smith jätti Ubuntun?

Hyvä kirjoitus joka kaikkien pitäisi lukea. Tässä Paul Smith, kokenut Linux-käyttäjä (jo vuodesta 1998), entinen Ubuntu-fani selittää miksi hänen oli enää mahdoton hyväksyä niitä toimia joilla Canonical muutti Ubuntun vuosina 2011-2012.

Kiteytettynä:

-bugisuuden lisääntyminen 11.10 lähtien
- Unityn oudot aikaansaannokset pakottivat mm. uudelleenkäynnistämään tX:n
- Ongelmat äänien kanssa
-ALSA OSS:n emoloinnin särkeminen
- Amazon
- Mir
- Työpöydästä "puhelin-tyyppinen"
- Linuxin fragmentoiminen

"Why I left Ubuntu"

"When Canonical switched to Unity on 11.04, I tried it and mostly liked it. Admittedly, there were some issues but I really liked the fact that Unity did a better job of maximizing the screen real-estate available to applications than any other desktop environment I have used previously. I was hopeful that the wrinkles in Unity would be worked out in the next version and was just about ready to pay for support from Canonical for all the systems in my home, mostly as a thank you, when Ubuntu 11.10 came out.

Ubuntu 11.10 seemed to be a lot buggier overall. Unity would do weird things to my applications and sometimes make the desktop unusable, forcing me to drop down to the shell to restart X. Pulse audio on this version was a dog and would simply not work with a sound card I’d been using successfully on Linux for about 5 years. I also discovered a number of newly introduced library compatibility issues that broke some of the commercial software I needed for my job.

The final straws for me was Canonical's decision not to include snd-pcm-oss as a kernel model (which I discovered with Ubuntu 12.04), breaking ALSA's OSS emulation, as well as the inclusion of Amazon search.

I now use Scientific Linux with the Trinity desktop since I really liked KDE 3. I find that I can easily get everything to work with that distribution and it is extremely stable. At this point the only thing I miss is the old Synaptic package manager and some features of the Debian package file format.
Why Mir concerns me
I do a significant amount of technical computing. I could care less if the same OS runs on both my desktop and my phone or tablet. I need a desktop that provides a good environment for code development, modeling, as well as a limited amount of CAD. I do this work on machines at work and, to a lesser extent, on my home systems. Until my phone or tablet can support a large amount of DRAM, many cores, and can plug into a keyboard and several large monitors, I don’t see myself migrating away from a desktop. Canonical’s direction appears to be to water down the desktop experience in order to make it more like the phone, the same bad mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8. Developing Mir is a result of this direction. I expect to use my desktop and phone for very different tasks and could care less if they use the same OS. As an user, Mir does not appear to offer me anything of real value.

Given the direction Canonical is taking, I am very concerned that NVIDIA and/or AMD will make X and Wayland second class citizens in favor of Mir. I would love to use Nouveau and similar open source drivers; however, they’re not functional enough yet, either for the software I use for my job or for recreational use with the games. Some of these games purchased from Loki Games dating back to the late 1990′s.

I am thrilled that Steam and other game developers are beginning to fully embrace Linux and would like to spend some money on these games. Assuming these games are coded to work exclusively with Mir, then buying these Linux games is not an option unless other distributions such as Scientific Linux, Fedora, or Debian also migrate to Mir. For legacy games such as the ones produced by Loki Games, I am concerned that Mir may not emulate X well enough. Full support for legacy applications that depend on X will be more of an issue if the Linux community's effort to develop X emulation is split between Wayland and Mir.

Given the direction of the rest of the Linux ecosystem to standardize on Wayland as well as the concern over OpenGL support from NVIDIA and AMD, I really wish Canonical would have worked with the Wayland team to reach their goals rather than going their own direction. In my opinion, trying to make the same OS and applications work on both big iron and small phones or tablets is just silly at this point. Given this, fragmenting the Linux ecosystem right now to save a little power on low end devices is just plain stupid. I understand Canonical's argument for the other issues, such as, the desire for a more extensible input system; however, Canonical should have been able to work through these issues with the Wayland team. "

http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/07/why-i-left-ubuntu.html
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Asiaa pukkaa, hyvä!

Eikä taida olla edes ainoa, joka on luopunut tubuttimesta! Siirtyminen muihin linukseihin on ollut valtavaa viime aikoina!

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  • Ihmiset ovat siirtyneet pääasiassa Linux Mintiin, jotkut myös Debianiin. Pääosa Ubuntun hylkäämisistä johtuu siitä, että Canonicalin valitsemasta suunnasta Ubuntun kehityksen suhteen ei pidetä. Unity on monien mielestä paha virhe, toisille taas Amazonin mainosten ja nettihakujen tuominen Ubuntuun oli se viimeinen niitti.

    Canonical joutuu pian alkamaan kuuntelemaan käyttäjien toiveita ja tahtoa Ubuntun kehityksessä tai Ubuntu epäonnistuu täysin. Canonical ei voi kehittää Ubuntua enää kaupallisten voittojen toivossa ja kaupallisten firmojen toiveiden mukaan, koska silloin me käyttäjät hylkäämme Ubuntun ja siirrymme täysin epäkaupallisiin jakeluihin, joissa kaiken saa jatkossakin ilmaiseksi ja ilman mainoksia.

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Huomatkaa: Paul Smith ei siirtynyt Ubuntusta Windowsiin vaan Scientific Linuxiin (Trinity-työpöydällä) joka vastasi paremmin hänen pc-koneen käytön tarpeitaan. Hänhän on ammatiltaan insinööri.

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  • Pitääkö olla insinööri osatakseen käyttää tubutinta?

    Windowsiin ei tarvii, vaan sitä voi käyttää kuka hyvänsä!

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tuommoinen vanha partasuti - on siinä teille foorumin teinit esikuva

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Juoksi töitä karkuun ;-)

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Päätös muiden joukossa. Ei siinä sen kummempaa.

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Ubuntu meni pilalle kirjoitti:

Hyvä kirjoitus joka kaikkien pitäisi lukea. Tässä Paul Smith, kokenut Linux-käyttäjä (jo vuodesta 1998), entinen Ubuntu-fani selittää miksi hänen oli enää mahdoton hyväksyä niitä toimia joilla Canonical muutti Ubuntun vuosina 2011-2012.

Kiteytettynä:

-bugisuuden lisääntyminen 11.10 lähtien
- Unityn oudot aikaansaannokset pakottivat mm. uudelleenkäynnistämään tX:n
- Ongelmat äänien kanssa
-ALSA OSS:n emoloinnin särkeminen
- Amazon
- Mir
- Työpöydästä "puhelin-tyyppinen"
- Linuxin fragmentoiminen

"Why I left Ubuntu"

"When Canonical switched to Unity on 11.04, I tried it and mostly liked it. Admittedly, there were some issues but I really liked the fact that Unity did a better job of maximizing the screen real-estate available to applications than any other desktop environment I have used previously. I was hopeful that the wrinkles in Unity would be worked out in the next version and was just about ready to pay for support from Canonical for all the systems in my home, mostly as a thank you, when Ubuntu 11.10 came out.

Ubuntu 11.10 seemed to be a lot buggier overall. Unity would do weird things to my applications and sometimes make the desktop unusable, forcing me to drop down to the shell to restart X. Pulse audio on this version was a dog and would simply not work with a sound card I’d been using successfully on Linux for about 5 years. I also discovered a number of newly introduced library compatibility issues that broke some of the commercial software I needed for my job.

The final straws for me was Canonical's decision not to include snd-pcm-oss as a kernel model (which I discovered with Ubuntu 12.04), breaking ALSA's OSS emulation, as well as the inclusion of Amazon search.

I now use Scientific Linux with the Trinity desktop since I really liked KDE 3. I find that I can easily get everything to work with that distribution and it is extremely stable. At this point the only thing I miss is the old Synaptic package manager and some features of the Debian package file format.
Why Mir concerns me
I do a significant amount of technical computing. I could care less if the same OS runs on both my desktop and my phone or tablet. I need a desktop that provides a good environment for code development, modeling, as well as a limited amount of CAD. I do this work on machines at work and, to a lesser extent, on my home systems. Until my phone or tablet can support a large amount of DRAM, many cores, and can plug into a keyboard and several large monitors, I don’t see myself migrating away from a desktop. Canonical’s direction appears to be to water down the desktop experience in order to make it more like the phone, the same bad mistake Microsoft made with Windows 8. Developing Mir is a result of this direction. I expect to use my desktop and phone for very different tasks and could care less if they use the same OS. As an user, Mir does not appear to offer me anything of real value.

Given the direction Canonical is taking, I am very concerned that NVIDIA and/or AMD will make X and Wayland second class citizens in favor of Mir. I would love to use Nouveau and similar open source drivers; however, they’re not functional enough yet, either for the software I use for my job or for recreational use with the games. Some of these games purchased from Loki Games dating back to the late 1990′s.

I am thrilled that Steam and other game developers are beginning to fully embrace Linux and would like to spend some money on these games. Assuming these games are coded to work exclusively with Mir, then buying these Linux games is not an option unless other distributions such as Scientific Linux, Fedora, or Debian also migrate to Mir. For legacy games such as the ones produced by Loki Games, I am concerned that Mir may not emulate X well enough. Full support for legacy applications that depend on X will be more of an issue if the Linux community's effort to develop X emulation is split between Wayland and Mir.

Given the direction of the rest of the Linux ecosystem to standardize on Wayland as well as the concern over OpenGL support from NVIDIA and AMD, I really wish Canonical would have worked with the Wayland team to reach their goals rather than going their own direction. In my opinion, trying to make the same OS and applications work on both big iron and small phones or tablets is just silly at this point. Given this, fragmenting the Linux ecosystem right now to save a little power on low end devices is just plain stupid. I understand Canonical's argument for the other issues, such as, the desire for a more extensible input system; however, Canonical should have been able to work through these issues with the Wayland team. "

http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2013/07/why-i-left-ubuntu.html

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