Käytän soneran sähköpostia pääasiassa iPadilla/iPhonella sekä satunnaisesti PC:llä webmailin kautta. Nyt webmailini osoitteisto /inboxin viestien lähettäjät ovat alkaneet saamaan minun sähköpostiosoitteella roskaposteja. Mikäköhän tähän on iskenyt? Virustorjuntana on F-secure Safe, joka ei ole mistään ilmoittanut täydelläkään skannauksella.
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Ensinnäkin tuosta Soneran postista pitäisi päästä mahdollisimman nopeasti eroon! Siitä on meinaan monen vuoden kokemus ja se on auttamatta vanhanaikainen. Mieluummin Gmail tai Outlook käyttöön joissa on reilusti enemmän tilaakin ja on ilmaisia.
F-securenkin tilaus tilisi lopettaa sillä ilmaiset virustorjuntaohjelmat ovat käytännössä yhtähyviä. Ei ole siis syytä alkaa maksamaan näistä.
Roskaposti on webmailin perusvitsaus, josta kärsivät ainoastaan vanhanaikaista webmailia käyttävät.
Käyttämällä Outlookia tai Thunderbirdiä pääset eroon kyseisistä ongelmista.
G-mailia ei kannata käyttää, koska se vakoilee.
Koko netti vakoilee ääliö! Thunderbird on samaa vanhaa roskaa kuin noi webmailit
Sinä olet roskaa, vapunen. Mussutat mutua, et ikinä perustele mitään ja hakkaat päätäsi kiviseinään kunnen otsaluu antaa periksi.
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Soneran sähköpostia voi käyttää myös vaikka Mozilla Thunderbirdillä. Siinä on oppiva roskapostisuodatin, ainoa vaiva on kouluttaa se sinulle sopivaksi.
Ei mitään järkeä tässä..
Älä vapunen intä. Munasitko koulun, vai miksi sinusta on tullut tuollainen?
Ammattilaisetkin käyttävät Thunderbirdiä, vapunen ei. ;)
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Haluatko huonoja neuvoja? Vai hyviä neuvoja? Vai vain nauraa makeasti?
Suomi24 on lienee Suomen suurin keskustelusivusto. Suomi24:n kohdalla tulee todistetuksi,
ettei määrä aina tarkoita samaa kuin laatu. Suomi24:n suosion syy on lieneekin
siinä, että se on yksi harvoja suomenkielisiä keskusteluja (ainoa?), joihin voi
kirjoittaa anonyymisti ilman tunnuksia. Tuloksena on välillä sitten todella ala-arvoisia
"keskusteluja". Mutta tunkio vetää puoleensa, ei kai Suomi24:n suosiota muuten
voi ymmärtää? Trollien toivepaikka?
Silti ihmettelen suuresti miksi jotkut kysyvät apua Suomi24:n "Apua aloittelijoille"
-osiosta tietotekniikka-aiheisiin ongelmiinsa? Ainoa syy jonka keksin on se edellä
mainittu, että ko. kompostiin voi kirjoittaa ilman minkäänlaista rekisteröitymistä
ja se kysyjille suotakoon. Mutta kun homma vaan ei tunnu toimivan kunnolla niin
miksei panosta sen verran oman ongelman ratkaisuun, että rekisteröi itselleen
nimimerkin jostain laadukkaammasta keskustelufoorumista?
Onko mielipiteiden vaihtoa?
Missä ko. palstan luokattomuus tulee erityisesti esille, on ilmeisesti, moderaattorien
ryhmä(?) joka vastailee nimimerkki "Vapunen" -nimissä. En voi olla varma, mutta
uskoisin kyseessä olevan joukko moderaattoreita, sillä kyseinen "Vapunen" tuntuu
valvovan palstaa 24/7. Siihen ei luonnollisesti kukaan yksittäinen ihminen voi
venyä.
HUOM! En missään tapauksessa normaalisti arvostelisi yksittäistä käyttäjää, mutta
kyseessä ei mielestäni voi olla yksittäinen käyttäjä. Milloin hän elää muuta elämää?
Asiaa ovat ihmetelleet ääneen muutkin käyttäjät, mutta nämä viestit ovat luonnollisesti
jo poistettu.
No mikä vika "Vapusessa" on? Se että hän on yleensä ensimmäinen joka vastaa.
Eikä tässäkään yksin mitään, mutta kun vastaukset ovat paikoin todella luokattomia,
vailla minkäänlaisia perusteluja, kuin että "näin minä olen tehnyt". Eikä tässäkään
vielä ole ongelmaa, kaikkihan me teemme virheitä ja mielipiteemme perustuvat
vahvasti omiin kokemuksiimme. Mutta jos "Vapusen" melko usein harhaanjohtavia
tai vähintään monella tapaa puutteellisia sekä kovin perspektiivittömiä vastauksia
erehtyy korjaamaan vastauksella, jatkaa "Vapunen" usein inttämistä tuomatta edelleenkään
perusteluja, että miksi on tätä mieltä. Normaalilla keskustelufoorumissa tällaiset
inttäjäiset yleensä vaiennetaan tuomalla inttäjälle faktatiedot esiin selkeästi
jolloin turha lässytys loppuu yleensä siihen.
Tuollaisessa tilanteessa alkaa vastausten sävy olla helposti vaikkapa vinoileva,
onhan muita jo alkanut aikaa sitten harmittamaan päätä seinään hakkaavan puolesta
asian älyttömyys. Vaan mitä tekee ryhmä "Vapunen", saattaa jopa poistaa moderaattorin
oikeuksilla oikaisevat ja asiasisältöiset viestit pois! Hienoa, pään pensaaseen
työntäminen auttaa varmasti kaikkia osapuolia, etenkin ongelmiinsa apua kysyvää.
Vai auttaako? Kunnon foorumeilla sallitaan omasta mielipiteestä poikkeavia
näkemyksiä, ne usein täydentävät toisiaan. Ja jos moderaattori joutuukin ojentamaan,
niin alkuperäinen viesti jää yleensä näkyviin jotta muut sentään saavat itse
päättää oliko ojentamiseen syytä vai ei.
Jos edellä ei selvinnyt, pidän mielipiteiden ja tiedon vaihdosta. Olen itse sellainen
luonne että voin myöntää olevani väärässä kun asia hyvin perustellaan ja nautinkin
siitä että saan uutta tietoa vanhojen pölyttyneiden tilalle. Minä en ymmärrä
miten jonkun toisen mielipide/tieto olisi muita arvokkaampi, varsinkin jos perusteluja
esitetään. Sen sijaan inttäminen ilman perusteluja on ns. syvältä.
Lisäys 30.11.14: Käyttäjä "Vapunen" näyttää saaneen kenkää moderaattorin paikalta.
Jopas nyt! Ylläpitokin huomasi viimein "Vapusen" trollaamisen ja vailla mitään
järkeä olleet viestien poistot?
Vai onko se vain parodiaa?
Huumori-palstana Apua aloittelijoille taas on lyömätön. Joskus mieleen tuleekin
että kyseessä on tahallinen parodia, mutta ei kai sentään... Jos osaat lukea
hassuja kysymyksiä ja jätät "Vapusen" vastaukset omaan arvoonsa, palsta saa aika
ajoin hymyn huulille. Ihmisten tietämättömyys konkretisoituu siellä ja selviää
kuinka vähän moni ymmärtää käyttämistään laitteista ja ohjelmistoista. Tässä ei
tietenkään sitten luokattomat värittyneet ohjeet valitettavasti nosta käyttäjien
tietotasoa ollenkaan. Siksi mieltä askarruttavia tietoteknisiä kysymyksiä kannattaisi
kysyä jollain laadukkaammalla foorumilla, jos todella haluaa saada niihin myös
hyödylliset vastaukset.
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