Ethnic groups who could eventually be parts of the lost ten tribes of Israel
(This essay is a part of the "tribes of Israel" series.)
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This essay presupposes that the reader is familiar with the Anglo-Israelist dogma, and has already read the other parts in this series of the ten lost tribes. This last part really cannot be understood properly, without reading the other parts first. Here is an index to them:
The lost tribes in prophecy. What happened to the lost ten tribes of Israel? Where are they today? What does the Bible really say regarding their fate? >> ey01b.htm
Leviticus 26:19, "And I will break the pride of your power". When did that happen? How and when was the pride of the tribes of Israel broken? >> ey02b.htm
Genesis 22:17, "and your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies". What does Genesis 22:17 mean? >> ey03b.htm
Jacob's birthright, and Joseph's birthright which his sons Ephraim and Manasseh inherited. What did the word "birthright" really mean and refer to, in Old Testament times? >> ey04b.htm
Leviticus 26 and the translation "seven times". What does the Hebrew word sheba in Leviticus 26:16, 18, 21, 24 and 28 really mean and refer to? >> ey05b.htm
The lost ten tribes of Israel - when will they be restored and blessed again? What about the "2520 years" which some talk about? >> ey06b.htm
Israel's coming gathering and restoration. >> ey07d.htm
Jeremiah 30:7 and the phrase "the time of Jacob's trouble" - what does the context, and the Hebrew text, really talk about and mean? >> ey08b.htm
The prophet Ezekiel - what was his message? Also: Did he deliver that message or did he not? Was he a failure? What about the talk by some regarding "Ezekiel watchman", "Ezekiel warning" and "Ezekiel work"? >> ey09b.htm
Matthew 10:6 - The "lost sheep of the house of Israel", who were they? Also: What is meant by "Israel" in the New Testament? Further: Where did the apostles go? >> ey10b.htm
The ten lost tribes of Israel - did they move into Europe? Who are the north-west European peoples of our day? >> ey11b.htm
The line of David the king of Israel - is it still ruling somewhere on Earth, with a mortal king on the throne? >> ey12b.htm
The true identity of the "Branch" who is mentioned in Ezekiel 17. >> ey13b.htm
The prophet Jeremiah - where did he die? Did Jeremiah go to Ireland, as some claim? What about the so-called "stone of destiny" which many Anglo-Israelists talk about? >> ey14b.htm
The tribe of Dan of Israel - did the Danites travel to Greece and Ireland, as some seem to claim? >> ey15b.htm
Anglo-Israelism: What if Russia and her Slavic sisters are the "ten tribes"? >> ey16b.htm
If you have read those other parts in this series already, then please go on reading here.
A short synopsis regarding the prophesied fate of the ten 'lost' tribes of Israel in our day.
The Lord had, a long time in advance, said that if the Israelites did not obey him, he would drive them out of the land they were given. They did not obey him, so, they were driven out. After that, their cities became "waste" - that is, without inhabitants. (See Leviticus 26:33 and Deuteronomy 28:62-64.) Just as the Lord had said, he then caused them to become dispersed into the whole world, among (within) the other nations, without having a country of their own. They still remain in that dispersion; the essay ey01b.htm has more on that subject.
During the punishment process (which occurred while they still were in the land of Canaan), those tribes' "pride" was broken. The essay ey02b.htm has more on this.
There is a restoration promised for those tribes, and after that restoration, renewed blessings. But, those things have not happened yet. At this time, they have no covenant with the Lord, and they still remain in dispersion. The Bible is very clear regarding the timing of their coming restoration and the renewed blessings which will follow after that. The essays ey05b.htm and ey06b.htm have more on that matter. The essay ey11b.htm takes a closer look at who the modern-day European nations really are.
Regarding different points in the Anglo-Israelist dogma, see the other parts of this series. They are found on the index at the beginning of this essay. Please note that what follows below, may not make sense if one has not read the other parts in this series first.
The criteria.
Considering the biblical description of how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be doing in our day (there is more on this in the essay ey01b.htm), ethnic groups which might make up a part of those tribes must be sought among people who are scattered into the whole world, "from its one corner to the other". Also: Those ethnic groups must have lived in the area where the tribes of Israel were taken when they were banished from their own country (that is, in what today is Iran-Iraq). Further: They must be (relatively) few in number (compared with the large nations of this world). Also, those ethnic groups must be people who have been "on the move", instead of having a place of their own. And then, the Bible indicates that they would serve idols and not the true God who is in Heaven.
That is what the Bible in actual fact says regarding how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be, in our day. (Again, the essay ey01b.htm has more on this.) Those things are what one must look for, if one wants to find the "lost" tribes of Israel.
Again, if any of this sounds strange, please read the other parts in this series first; see the index to them, above.
Groups who have come from Persia (Iran).
There are several ethnic groups who have come from the Persian area. Many of them are very much troubled today, and have also been troubled in the past.
Among them are the Farsi-speaking part of the people of Afghanistan and Tadzhikistan (Farsi = the Persian language). Then, there are several other ethnic groups of that kind in the Caucasus area, and of course the Kurds who live in several Middle-Eastern countries and in many places around the world. There are also the Armenians, a very ill-treated people whose language has a lot of Persian elements and who also have been spread among the nations of this world.
Then, there are the people who are called "Assyrians". Even they are a persecuted people without a land of their own. They live in Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Armenia and Lebanon and elsewhere; there are "Assyrians" as fugitives in many areas of the world. It is not clear who those "Assyrians" really are, whether they are descendants of old Assyrians or whether they are, say, descendants of the Israelites who had been forcibly taken to that area. (A note: Assyria was partially located in what today is Iran.) But certainly, the present-fate of the people who today are called "Assyrians", fits within the description the Bible gives regarding what the fate of the tribes of Israel would be.
Then, of course, there must also be many people in Persia (Iran) who are descendants of people who lived in Assyria after the Israelites had been taken there. In other words: There may remain Israelites in the area or Iran and Iraq, even today.
Then one must also ask: Who are the Arabs?
Many would say, "Well, they are the descendants of Ishmael". But: Who says that? What historical records are there to prove that? The Arabs have a "tradition" regarding that, but how it really is with that, is not clear. In other words: We do not really know who the Arabs are. What is easy to see is that "the Arabs" are not a homogeneous ethnic group; they consist of different kinds of peoples. Among the Arabs, there are many nomadic peoples who fit the description the Bible gives on how the tribes of Israel would be doing, before their coming restoration.
Further: It is known that the Arabs are close to the Jews, genetically. Also: The Arabs speak a language which is very close to Hebrew, just as one might expect of a people who in the past spoke Hebrew. (On the other hand: Since the "lost" tribes of Israel were taken to Persia when they were banished from their own country, it could also be that they would now speak a Persian-related language. Or, that some of them would do that. Thus, languages cannot really "prove" anything in that regard, this way or that.)
But again: Really who are the Arabs, or, the nomadic peoples within the Arabic area?
Yet another ethnic group from Persia.
There is yet another, very special group which came to Europe and to other areas of the world, from Persia. Their language contains a large percentage of Persian words (this indicates that they must have left Persia before the Moslem occupation which started in the 600s). That special group of people is relatively few in number, and it has served other gods and still does that, just as the Bible says the scattered, "lost" tribes of Israel would do. That ethnic group is spread over the whole world, among all nations, just as the Bible says the tribes of Israel would be.
That group is persecuted and hated, just as the Jews are hated. They are not tolerated by other people, just as the Jews are not. They have for a long time been a wandering people, on the move, just as the Bible said that the "lost" tribes would be, and just as the Jews have been. Also they were gassed by Hitler, just as he gassed the Jews. That ethnic group, that "peculiar people" is, of course, the "Gypsies" and the "Travellers": The Romani people (also called Roma), not to forget the Domari people in the Middle East.
According to historical sources, the Romani people of Europe have their origins in Persia. Even those who claim that the Romani people supposedly came from India, draw maps which show that they came into Europe from the Persian area. The question is, did the Romani people actually spread, from Persia, both to the east (India) as well as to the west (Europe)? That is not really known; one can only make guesses. The theory about "Punjab origins" appears to be a mere opinion of someone, probably based on virtually nothing. The Romani people came to Europe partially via Syria and Egypt. The western route is said to have given them their name E-gypti-ans, later reduced to "gypsies". A note: Deuteronomy 28:68 mentions a moving of Israelites back to Egypt by ships. That must have happened hundreds of years ago. The Romani have come to Europe from Egypt. The gypsies who stayed in Egypt (today, there are around 1,000,000 of them) are called Domari, instead of Romani (or Roma) which is the name for those who moved on.
Back to the Romani (Roma) people. Again, their language has a large percentage of Persian words. Despite that fact, some try to "trace" their language to India. A certain writer had a list of Romani words (Gypsy language) which supposedly were "related to Indian" but which in fact were old and native in (for instance) Swedish. That kind of "language tracing" is not credible. Apparently, some people first decide that a given Romani word "must have come from India" and then they set out to produce "proof" for that claim of theirs. That is not the way to go. One must also consider the fact that the Germanic languages of Europe (including German, Dutch, Frisian, English and the Scandinavian languages) are all related and belong to the language-group which is called "Indo-European". Simply: Indian and European languages have a common source. Because of that, one should of course expect them to have some things in common. But, that does not mean that the Germans come from India, or that the Romani/Domari people did. If one used the same kind of methods as some use for "tracing" the Romani language and people, then one could just as well trace the German or British languages and peoples as having come from India. Which, of course, would be nonsense.
Parthians, Scythians?
There are also other groups which some think to have come from the Persian area. Among them are the "Parthians" and the "Scythians". But, they are not very likely to have been "Israel", because the Bible shows that during their dispersion, the tribes of Israel would not be strong, nor a nation with its own territory. Instead, they would be caused to be relatively few in number and without power. The Bible also says that they would be scattered among (within) other peoples (nations), around the world. The "Parthians" and the "Scythians" were relatively strong at one time; thus, they do not really fit as "candidates" for being a part of the "lost" tribes of Israel.
The facts.
We cannot know with certainty who or where the "lost" tribes of Israel really are today. What we can know is that the Anglo-Israelist dogma is clearly unbiblical, and that it cannot be reconciled with the Bible, nor with facts of history. (Again, for understanding that, the other parts of this series must be read first.)
And then, there are certain troubled ethnic groups who fit the description the Bible gives regarding how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be doing in our day. Among them are (in addition to the Jews who mostly are of the southern tribes of Israel) the Assyrians, the Romani/Domari people, the Kurds, certain ethnic groups in Afghanistan, Caucasus, in certain former Soviet republics and in Armenia. Perhaps also the Arabs, or parts of them. Not to forget ethnic groups who still live in Iran and in the surrounding area (such as in Iraq, the area where the southern tribes of Israel were taken).
Again, the essay ey01b.htm has more on what the Bible really says regarding how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be doing, in our day. See also the other parts of this series.
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The lost tribes in prophecy. What happened to the lost ten tribes of Israel? Where are they today? What does the Bible really say regarding their fate? >> ey01b.htm
Leviticus 26:19, "And I will break the pride of your power". When did that happen? How and when was the pride of the tribes of Israel broken? (This essay is a part of the "tribes of Israel" series.) >> ey02b.htm
Genesis 22:17, "and your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies". What does Genesis 22:17 mean? (This essay is a part of the "tribes of Israel" series.) >> ey03b.htm
Jacob's birthright, and Joseph's birthright which his sons Ephraim and Manasseh inherited. What did the word "birthright" really mean and refer to, in Old Testament times? >> ey04b.htm
Leviticus 26 and the translation "seven times". What does the Hebrew word sheba in Leviticus 26:16, 18, 21, 24 and 28 really mean and refer to? >> ey05b.htm
The lost ten tribes of Israel - when will they be restored and blessed again? What about the "2520 years" which some talk about? >> ey06b.htm
Israel's coming gathering and restoration. >> ey07d.htm
Jeremiah 30:7 and the phrase "the time of Jacob's trouble" - what does the context, and the Hebrew text, really talk about and mean? >> ey08b.htm
The prophet Ezekiel - what was his message? Also: Did he deliver that message or did he not? Was he a failure? What about the talk by some regarding "Ezekiel watchman", "Ezekiel warning" and "Ezekiel work"? >> ey09b.htm
Matthew 10:6 - The "lost sheep of the house of Israel", who were they? Also: What is meant by "Israel" in the New Testament? Further: Where did the apostles go? >> ey10b.htm
The ten lost tribes of Israel - did they move into Europe? Who are the north-west European peoples of our day? >> ey11b.htm
The line of David the king of Israel - is it still ruling somewhere on Earth, with a mortal king on the throne? >> ey12b.htm
The true identity of the "Branch" mentioned in Ezekiel 17. >> ey13b.htm
The prophet Jeremiah - where did he die? Did Jeremiah go to Ireland, as some claim? What about the so-called "stone of destiny" which many Anglo-Israelists talk about? >> ey14b.htm
The tribe of Dan of Israel - did the Danites travel to Greece and Ireland, as some seem to claim? >> ey15b.htm
Anglo-Israelism: What if Russia and her Slavic sisters are the "ten tribes"? >> ey16b.htm
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(This essay is a part of the "tribes of Israel" series.)
- Please always get the latest version of this page, from the address http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/ey17b.htm -
This essay presupposes that the reader is familiar with the Anglo-Israelist dogma, and has already read the other parts in this series of the ten lost tribes. This last part really cannot be understood properly, without reading the other parts first. Here is an index to them:
The lost tribes in prophecy. What happened to the lost ten tribes of Israel? Where are they today? What does the Bible really say regarding their fate? >> ey01b.htm
Leviticus 26:19, "And I will break the pride of your power". When did that happen? How and when was the pride of the tribes of Israel broken? >> ey02b.htm
Genesis 22:17, "and your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies". What does Genesis 22:17 mean? >> ey03b.htm
Jacob's birthright, and Joseph's birthright which his sons Ephraim and Manasseh inherited. What did the word "birthright" really mean and refer to, in Old Testament times? >> ey04b.htm
Leviticus 26 and the translation "seven times". What does the Hebrew word sheba in Leviticus 26:16, 18, 21, 24 and 28 really mean and refer to? >> ey05b.htm
The lost ten tribes of Israel - when will they be restored and blessed again? What about the "2520 years" which some talk about? >> ey06b.htm
Israel's coming gathering and restoration. >> ey07d.htm
Jeremiah 30:7 and the phrase "the time of Jacob's trouble" - what does the context, and the Hebrew text, really talk about and mean? >> ey08b.htm
The prophet Ezekiel - what was his message? Also: Did he deliver that message or did he not? Was he a failure? What about the talk by some regarding "Ezekiel watchman", "Ezekiel warning" and "Ezekiel work"? >> ey09b.htm
Matthew 10:6 - The "lost sheep of the house of Israel", who were they? Also: What is meant by "Israel" in the New Testament? Further: Where did the apostles go? >> ey10b.htm
The ten lost tribes of Israel - did they move into Europe? Who are the north-west European peoples of our day? >> ey11b.htm
The line of David the king of Israel - is it still ruling somewhere on Earth, with a mortal king on the throne? >> ey12b.htm
The true identity of the "Branch" who is mentioned in Ezekiel 17. >> ey13b.htm
The prophet Jeremiah - where did he die? Did Jeremiah go to Ireland, as some claim? What about the so-called "stone of destiny" which many Anglo-Israelists talk about? >> ey14b.htm
The tribe of Dan of Israel - did the Danites travel to Greece and Ireland, as some seem to claim? >> ey15b.htm
Anglo-Israelism: What if Russia and her Slavic sisters are the "ten tribes"? >> ey16b.htm
If you have read those other parts in this series already, then please go on reading here.
A short synopsis regarding the prophesied fate of the ten 'lost' tribes of Israel in our day.
The Lord had, a long time in advance, said that if the Israelites did not obey him, he would drive them out of the land they were given. They did not obey him, so, they were driven out. After that, their cities became "waste" - that is, without inhabitants. (See Leviticus 26:33 and Deuteronomy 28:62-64.) Just as the Lord had said, he then caused them to become dispersed into the whole world, among (within) the other nations, without having a country of their own. They still remain in that dispersion; the essay ey01b.htm has more on that subject.
During the punishment process (which occurred while they still were in the land of Canaan), those tribes' "pride" was broken. The essay ey02b.htm has more on this.
There is a restoration promised for those tribes, and after that restoration, renewed blessings. But, those things have not happened yet. At this time, they have no covenant with the Lord, and they still remain in dispersion. The Bible is very clear regarding the timing of their coming restoration and the renewed blessings which will follow after that. The essays ey05b.htm and ey06b.htm have more on that matter. The essay ey11b.htm takes a closer look at who the modern-day European nations really are.
Regarding different points in the Anglo-Israelist dogma, see the other parts of this series. They are found on the index at the beginning of this essay. Please note that what follows below, may not make sense if one has not read the other parts in this series first.
The criteria.
Considering the biblical description of how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be doing in our day (there is more on this in the essay ey01b.htm), ethnic groups which might make up a part of those tribes must be sought among people who are scattered into the whole world, "from its one corner to the other". Also: Those ethnic groups must have lived in the area where the tribes of Israel were taken when they were banished from their own country (that is, in what today is Iran-Iraq). Further: They must be (relatively) few in number (compared with the large nations of this world). Also, those ethnic groups must be people who have been "on the move", instead of having a place of their own. And then, the Bible indicates that they would serve idols and not the true God who is in Heaven.
That is what the Bible in actual fact says regarding how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be, in our day. (Again, the essay ey01b.htm has more on this.) Those things are what one must look for, if one wants to find the "lost" tribes of Israel.
Again, if any of this sounds strange, please read the other parts in this series first; see the index to them, above.
Groups who have come from Persia (Iran).
There are several ethnic groups who have come from the Persian area. Many of them are very much troubled today, and have also been troubled in the past.
Among them are the Farsi-speaking part of the people of Afghanistan and Tadzhikistan (Farsi = the Persian language). Then, there are several other ethnic groups of that kind in the Caucasus area, and of course the Kurds who live in several Middle-Eastern countries and in many places around the world. There are also the Armenians, a very ill-treated people whose language has a lot of Persian elements and who also have been spread among the nations of this world.
Then, there are the people who are called "Assyrians". Even they are a persecuted people without a land of their own. They live in Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Armenia and Lebanon and elsewhere; there are "Assyrians" as fugitives in many areas of the world. It is not clear who those "Assyrians" really are, whether they are descendants of old Assyrians or whether they are, say, descendants of the Israelites who had been forcibly taken to that area. (A note: Assyria was partially located in what today is Iran.) But certainly, the present-fate of the people who today are called "Assyrians", fits within the description the Bible gives regarding what the fate of the tribes of Israel would be.
Then, of course, there must also be many people in Persia (Iran) who are descendants of people who lived in Assyria after the Israelites had been taken there. In other words: There may remain Israelites in the area or Iran and Iraq, even today.
Then one must also ask: Who are the Arabs?
Many would say, "Well, they are the descendants of Ishmael". But: Who says that? What historical records are there to prove that? The Arabs have a "tradition" regarding that, but how it really is with that, is not clear. In other words: We do not really know who the Arabs are. What is easy to see is that "the Arabs" are not a homogeneous ethnic group; they consist of different kinds of peoples. Among the Arabs, there are many nomadic peoples who fit the description the Bible gives on how the tribes of Israel would be doing, before their coming restoration.
Further: It is known that the Arabs are close to the Jews, genetically. Also: The Arabs speak a language which is very close to Hebrew, just as one might expect of a people who in the past spoke Hebrew. (On the other hand: Since the "lost" tribes of Israel were taken to Persia when they were banished from their own country, it could also be that they would now speak a Persian-related language. Or, that some of them would do that. Thus, languages cannot really "prove" anything in that regard, this way or that.)
But again: Really who are the Arabs, or, the nomadic peoples within the Arabic area?
Yet another ethnic group from Persia.
There is yet another, very special group which came to Europe and to other areas of the world, from Persia. Their language contains a large percentage of Persian words (this indicates that they must have left Persia before the Moslem occupation which started in the 600s). That special group of people is relatively few in number, and it has served other gods and still does that, just as the Bible says the scattered, "lost" tribes of Israel would do. That ethnic group is spread over the whole world, among all nations, just as the Bible says the tribes of Israel would be.
That group is persecuted and hated, just as the Jews are hated. They are not tolerated by other people, just as the Jews are not. They have for a long time been a wandering people, on the move, just as the Bible said that the "lost" tribes would be, and just as the Jews have been. Also they were gassed by Hitler, just as he gassed the Jews. That ethnic group, that "peculiar people" is, of course, the "Gypsies" and the "Travellers": The Romani people (also called Roma), not to forget the Domari people in the Middle East.
According to historical sources, the Romani people of Europe have their origins in Persia. Even those who claim that the Romani people supposedly came from India, draw maps which show that they came into Europe from the Persian area. The question is, did the Romani people actually spread, from Persia, both to the east (India) as well as to the west (Europe)? That is not really known; one can only make guesses. The theory about "Punjab origins" appears to be a mere opinion of someone, probably based on virtually nothing. The Romani people came to Europe partially via Syria and Egypt. The western route is said to have given them their name E-gypti-ans, later reduced to "gypsies". A note: Deuteronomy 28:68 mentions a moving of Israelites back to Egypt by ships. That must have happened hundreds of years ago. The Romani have come to Europe from Egypt. The gypsies who stayed in Egypt (today, there are around 1,000,000 of them) are called Domari, instead of Romani (or Roma) which is the name for those who moved on.
Back to the Romani (Roma) people. Again, their language has a large percentage of Persian words. Despite that fact, some try to "trace" their language to India. A certain writer had a list of Romani words (Gypsy language) which supposedly were "related to Indian" but which in fact were old and native in (for instance) Swedish. That kind of "language tracing" is not credible. Apparently, some people first decide that a given Romani word "must have come from India" and then they set out to produce "proof" for that claim of theirs. That is not the way to go. One must also consider the fact that the Germanic languages of Europe (including German, Dutch, Frisian, English and the Scandinavian languages) are all related and belong to the language-group which is called "Indo-European". Simply: Indian and European languages have a common source. Because of that, one should of course expect them to have some things in common. But, that does not mean that the Germans come from India, or that the Romani/Domari people did. If one used the same kind of methods as some use for "tracing" the Romani language and people, then one could just as well trace the German or British languages and peoples as having come from India. Which, of course, would be nonsense.
Parthians, Scythians?
There are also other groups which some think to have come from the Persian area. Among them are the "Parthians" and the "Scythians". But, they are not very likely to have been "Israel", because the Bible shows that during their dispersion, the tribes of Israel would not be strong, nor a nation with its own territory. Instead, they would be caused to be relatively few in number and without power. The Bible also says that they would be scattered among (within) other peoples (nations), around the world. The "Parthians" and the "Scythians" were relatively strong at one time; thus, they do not really fit as "candidates" for being a part of the "lost" tribes of Israel.
The facts.
We cannot know with certainty who or where the "lost" tribes of Israel really are today. What we can know is that the Anglo-Israelist dogma is clearly unbiblical, and that it cannot be reconciled with the Bible, nor with facts of history. (Again, for understanding that, the other parts of this series must be read first.)
And then, there are certain troubled ethnic groups who fit the description the Bible gives regarding how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be doing in our day. Among them are (in addition to the Jews who mostly are of the southern tribes of Israel) the Assyrians, the Romani/Domari people, the Kurds, certain ethnic groups in Afghanistan, Caucasus, in certain former Soviet republics and in Armenia. Perhaps also the Arabs, or parts of them. Not to forget ethnic groups who still live in Iran and in the surrounding area (such as in Iraq, the area where the southern tribes of Israel were taken).
Again, the essay ey01b.htm has more on what the Bible really says regarding how the "lost" tribes of Israel would be doing, in our day. See also the other parts of this series.
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Bible study - some notes on how to study the Bible in a deeper way. Also, information on practical helps and tools for study. >> bible01b.htm
For in-depth study of the Scriptures, a computer bible is needed. Some facts and recommendations regarding bible software, including tools for word search and word study, tools for studies of the Hebrew text of the Old Testament and the Greek text of the New Testament, and links for free download of computer bibles. >> bible02b.htm
The King James bible, the KJV, the Authorised Version. Is it somehow an inspired or especially holy bible translation? And, who "authorised" it? The story behind the King James version, including the men who were involved in producing that translation. >> bible03b.htm
Check your bible knowledge - a self-test with 15 biblical questions (with answers). >> bible04b.htm
Who really has biblical, spiritual or religious authority? What does the Bible teach regarding this? >> bible06c.htm
"Amateur bible students" versus "professional theologians". Also: The definition and actual meaning of the words "scholar", "clergy" and "laity". >> bible07c.htm
What does the English language word and concept "doctrine" mean? Likewise, the words "dogma", "tenet" and "creed", what do they mean? Doctors of theology compile dogmas, doctrines, tenets and creeds, and claim them to be the Truth. But who has the "true doctrines" or "correct dogmas"? Does the Bible give any guidance regarding this? >> bible08b.htm
An explanation of the short names for the bible-translations quoted at this site. >> bible09b.htm
Matthew 16:18 and "the gates of hell". The immortal assembly Jesus said he would form, where is it? Or, where is "the true Church of God", or "God's Church"? Also: What is the origin (etymology) of the word church, and what is the meaning of the words "Christ" and "Christian"? And, did the saints call themselves "Christians"? >> ea01b.htm
What did Jesus mean when he said to his disciples, I am the true vine and my Father is the husbandman, and, I am the vine, you are the branches? On the parable on the vinedresser (John 15). >> ea11b.htm
The Holy Spirit. Regarding the distribution of God's Spirit. >> eb01c.htm
Jesus' teaching regarding "the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven" or "the keys of the Reign of Heaven". Bible study notes on Matthew 16 verse 19, with context. What is the interpretation of that passage - what was it that Jesus was saying to his disciples? Also, some comments on "binding and loosing". >> eb08b.htm
The Lord's prayer (the book of Matthew, chapter 6) and the sermon on the mount, how they are related to the old covenant's Day of Atonement. Also, some notes on "the beatitudes" (Matthew 5, verses 3-11). >> ec05b.htm
On the Ten Commandments, the Decalogue. >> ec06d.htm
Covenant signs, or signs related to covenants. Also, the New Covenant's sign which shows who really are God's people. >> ec09b.htm
Galatians 3:19 - what does the phrase or term "the added law" really refer to? Verse 17: What came 430 years later - extra rituals, or something else? And, what was there, before that? Also: What did the apostle Paul mean when he in that same letter wrote, "This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?" and "Tell me, you who want to be under the Law, do you not understand the Law?" >> ec10b.htm
Gentiles, pagans and heathen or heathens. What do the words and concepts "gentile", "pagan" and "heathen" really mean, in the Bible? >> eg01b.htm
How to avoid some common mistakes in bible study. Or, keys to understanding Scripture in a better way. >> eg02b.htm
What does the word "saint" mean? Does the Bible define who is a saint and what sainthood consists of? Further: Are there saints here on Earth, in our day? What does the Bible say concerning these things? >> eg03b.htm
In ancient Israel, there was a priesthood that was partially supported by a tithe system. But, in the light of the New Covenant, what is the truth about tithing? Is tithing biblical or unbiblical - right or wrong? What does the Bible really say about this? Does it command believers to give money to preachers or churches? >> em01b.htm
The scriptural phrases "the snare of the devil" and "a root of all kinds of evil" explained. On Jesus' and Paul's teachings regarding how those who proclaimed the good message could become spiritually unfruitful. >> em08b.htm
The Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of Heaven - the Reign of God, the Reign of Heaven. What is God's Kingdom, when, and where? Does it exist, or is it going to be established in the future? Also: What about Luke 17:21 and the translation "within you" and the claim that the Kingdom of God is "in the hearts of men"? >> eo01b.htm
Matthew 6:33, "Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness". In what way were the disciples to do that? What did Jesus mean? >> eo10c.htm
Why does God allow evil, sickness, pain, wars and suffering? What is the biblical answer - does the Bible explain that matter, or in some way help one to understand it? >> ew01b.htm
The "tribes" series:
The lost tribes in prophecy. What happened to the lost ten tribes of Israel? Where are they today? What does the Bible really say regarding their fate? >> ey01b.htm
Leviticus 26:19, "And I will break the pride of your power". When did that happen? How and when was the pride of the tribes of Israel broken? (This essay is a part of the "tribes of Israel" series.) >> ey02b.htm
Genesis 22:17, "and your Seed shall possess the gate of His enemies". What does Genesis 22:17 mean? (This essay is a part of the "tribes of Israel" series.) >> ey03b.htm
Jacob's birthright, and Joseph's birthright which his sons Ephraim and Manasseh inherited. What did the word "birthright" really mean and refer to, in Old Testament times? >> ey04b.htm
Leviticus 26 and the translation "seven times". What does the Hebrew word sheba in Leviticus 26:16, 18, 21, 24 and 28 really mean and refer to? >> ey05b.htm
The lost ten tribes of Israel - when will they be restored and blessed again? What about the "2520 years" which some talk about? >> ey06b.htm
Israel's coming gathering and restoration. >> ey07d.htm
Jeremiah 30:7 and the phrase "the time of Jacob's trouble" - what does the context, and the Hebrew text, really talk about and mean? >> ey08b.htm
The prophet Ezekiel - what was his message? Also: Did he deliver that message or did he not? Was he a failure? What about the talk by some regarding "Ezekiel watchman", "Ezekiel warning" and "Ezekiel work"? >> ey09b.htm
Matthew 10:6 - The "lost sheep of the house of Israel", who were they? Also: What is meant by "Israel" in the New Testament? Further: Where did the apostles go? >> ey10b.htm
The ten lost tribes of Israel - did they move into Europe? Who are the north-west European peoples of our day? >> ey11b.htm
The line of David the king of Israel - is it still ruling somewhere on Earth, with a mortal king on the throne? >> ey12b.htm
The true identity of the "Branch" mentioned in Ezekiel 17. >> ey13b.htm
The prophet Jeremiah - where did he die? Did Jeremiah go to Ireland, as some claim? What about the so-called "stone of destiny" which many Anglo-Israelists talk about? >> ey14b.htm
The tribe of Dan of Israel - did the Danites travel to Greece and Ireland, as some seem to claim? >> ey15b.htm
Anglo-Israelism: What if Russia and her Slavic sisters are the "ten tribes"? >> ey16b.htm
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Table of contents for this site, including a short, summary description for each essay. >> filename.htm
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Vastaukset 6
Vanhimmat
on yksi satukokoelma muutenkin. paljon melua olemattomasta. samaa sitä ihteään.
KUULES TALONPOIKA ÄLÄ PILKAA JUMALAN SANAA, OLET MONGOLI TAI SITTEN PUOLIKAS, MUSTALAINEN EI TEE NOIN
On mieleltään lievästi kirjoitettuna pöhkö, siksi teikäläiset uskovat kaiken maailman höpö
höpö juttuihin kuten raamatun höpinöihin.
Toivon että israel vajoaa välimereen.
saathan sinä ja sinun laiset toivoa mitä haluatta mutta jumalan sana on se viimeinen ja se käy toteen sä taijat kuulua niihin toisiin joukkoihin ja se ei ole meijän ongelma,taistele sinä vain omat taistelut ja uskokaa pois me ollaan jumalan joukkoja
Me olemme jälleen täällä. SS
Jumala on tuhottu ajat sitten.
Valhallan joukot ovat jo matkalla
maanpäälle.
Me SS olemme vain etujoukko.
Valmistelemme itse pääjoukon saapumisen.
semmoiset jotka elääkseen valehtelee, huijaa, ryöstää, lupailee tyhjiä...???
Entäs riidan haastajat, tappajat, lapsensa hylkääjät??
Väkivaltaiset ja ylenkatsovat??
Ovatko jumalan puolella?
Mikä jumala hyväksyy tommoisen käytöksen?
Saatana lie jumala jota tarkoitat?