Written by Richard Kaldaras
It is said that Gipsies, have lived in Egypt
from the year 200 b.c. and that they were Pharos' slaves. The Gipsies were and some still are very good traditional craftmen and during the days of the Pharos the Gipsies made shields, swords and knives for soldiers. As slaves the Gipsies also had to row the big war ships. The Gipsies were nomads in those days. They travelled by means of wagons drawn by oxen from place to place across large areas in many parts of the world. They were housed in tents like most of the people in those days. It is also said that the Gipsies worked like today's circus people, they could shallow swords and fire. They were also fortune-tellers for pharos women. Although there were fears, these was also a curiousity about the powers of fortune-telling. The Gipsies who were less talented were forced to steal in order to take care of their families. The punishment for stealing was severe, one of their hands was cut off.
Today there are more then 35000 Gipsies living in Sweden today. Their forefathers that is the parents of their grandparents migrated across Asia into Europe under great hardship, and arrived in Sweden during 15th century. It is said that in the 8th century a group of gipsies lived in the town of Male in India. In the year 710 Gipsies were known to have been seen in the town Pani before the migration continued though Asia. Here is a list of places that the Gipsies visited during the migration from the year 710.
The Year 720 in Kolunba
The Year 730 in Panim Gua
The Year 735 in Bombay
The Year 780 in Karifi
The Year 786 in Ahmada Bad
The Year 800 in Bisons
The Year 1000 in Balkan
The year 1312 researchers say that the first Gipsies were found on the Island crete (Greece). Many researchers believe that the Gipsies originate from India.
The Year 1346 in Korfu
The Year 1396 in Napilia
The Year 1426 in Spain
The Year 1430 in England
In the 14th century the Gipsies call them selves " Dom " which means human being in the Indian language. The Gipsies changed the letter D to a R " Rom " means in Romani Gipsy man. The word human being is " Manosch " in Romani. The year 1453 in France, the Gipsies were deported, tortyred and called discriminating names.
The Year 1560 King Gustav Wasa was very cruel towards Gipsies who lived in Sweden. Another King who treated the Gipsies cruelly was King Johan III. He forced the Gipsies to work as slaves in the mines and many of them were killed. Their children who also were forced to work in the mines with their parents, many of them died in mine-explosions. Queen Kristina ordered that all the Gipsy men in Sweden were to be sentenced to death by hanging. The women and children were to be deported from Sweden, and soon after they were then to be killed by Queen Kristina's soldiers. Starting the year 1637 a new law was past in Sweden that all Gipsies were to be executed without trial. This executions continued until the 19th century.The year 1914 the Gipsies were not allowed to enter Sweden. This law was abolished 1954.
Between the years 1939-1945 nearly 1 million Gipsies were executed in the concentration camps by the nazis all around Europe during the second World war.
The year 1970 Racial discrimination was forbidden by law, but I being a Gipsy still find people who discriminate us in the year 2001.
The year 1980. The Gipsies made effort on their initiative to live in the Swedish society.
The Swedes and Gipsies met for the first time without any great problems. " A life without racial discrimination ".
The year 1990. The Gipsies began to work in the Swedish society as school teachers, music teachers and teachers of the native languages etc.
The year 1999. The Gipsies became a minority people in Sweden and were herewith be called Rom instead of Gipsy. The Gipsy language was also also recognized as a minority language in Sweden.
The year 2000. The Gipsies commence plans for developing schools, museums and libraries for Gipsies in Sweden. Many people in Sweden still regard the Gipsies as an uncivilized group of people. There are actually some Gipsies who are educated and have a University degree, but in the Swedish society there are many ignorant people that despise the Gipsies.
Additional Facts About the Gipsies
1965 - The Gipsies went to elementary school and the Gipsies were allowed to live in flats for the first time in their life.
1991 - Gipsy refugees from Bosnia and Serbia arrive in Sweden, many of whom settle down in Sweden and many returned back to their home countries in 1996. Recently I was informed that there is a national day which the Gipsies celebrate the 8th of April.
We have a Gipsy flag that is very similar to the Indian flag which is more than 30 years old, even this was news to me.
1999 - Gipsy became a minority language called Romanes in Sweden. The language of Romanes is divided into four different dialects as follows: Khelderasa, Lovara, Sinti and Arlie.
The Gipsies of today
Rumania ha the largest Gipsy population. There are about 10 million Gipsies today. They are treated very badly by the native population. For example they are not allowed to enter shops, they live in dirty conditions in dilapidated houses with no water and electricity. Of course there are exceptions where some have been able to get work and college education. In a town in Czech Republic the people asked the government to build a two metre high concrete wall around the part of the town where the Gipsies lived in order to separate them from the other people in the town. This wall was built. The Gipsies in the Czech Republic have great difficulties, with the nazis (Skin heads), for example when they skin heads burnt down a whole flat where Gipsy families lived, 3 children died. The skin heads were released because there was a " lack " of evidence. The wall was pull down the year 2000
Some well-known Romani musician
Django Reinhardt, a guitarist from France who played jazz and invented a new music style on the guitar. He was famous for because he played jazz swing quickly with only the use of 3 fingers.
Gipsy Kings: Gipsies from Spain who got famous because of their Flamenco music.
www.gipsykings.com
Here follows a list of famous artists:
Kalyi Jag
No picture Ruza Lakatos
Sandor Lakatos
Ricardo from Germany, Hans Caldaras, Taraf De Haidouks, Ando Drom, as well as the Gipsy Brothers.
Gypsy Brothers.
Wedding
The traditional Gypsy wedding is initiated by the boy´s parents visiting the girl´s parents bringing food, drink and playing music in order to ask for the permission to marry the girl. If the the girl and boy are fond of each other and if the girl's parents accept the boy as her prospective husband, they then become engaged and the boy's parents place a necklace round the girl's neck and set a date for the wedding. This is called "Mangamos" in the Romani language. The week prior to the wedding is very hectic. All the shopping has to be arranged which includes food, drink, alcoholic drink, flowers, cakes and the music has to be planned. The clothes have to be purchased for the couple and all the invitations to the wedding guests have to be made, either direct or by telephone. All together the wedding ceremony and celebrations last the whole day. Many Gypsies have two days of celebrations. Some families collect money donations to the bridal couple, who also receive presents. This is called Daro in the Romani language. There are also mixed-marriages. This was unheard off by my parents but today it is quite usual.
It is said that Gipsies, have lived in Egypt
from the year 200 b.c. and that they were Pharos' slaves. The Gipsies were and some still are very good traditional craftmen and during the days of the Pharos the Gipsies made shields, swords and knives for soldiers. As slaves the Gipsies also had to row the big war ships. The Gipsies were nomads in those days. They travelled by means of wagons drawn by oxen from place to place across large areas in many parts of the world. They were housed in tents like most of the people in those days. It is also said that the Gipsies worked like today's circus people, they could shallow swords and fire. They were also fortune-tellers for pharos women. Although there were fears, these was also a curiousity about the powers of fortune-telling. The Gipsies who were less talented were forced to steal in order to take care of their families. The punishment for stealing was severe, one of their hands was cut off.
Today there are more then 35000 Gipsies living in Sweden today. Their forefathers that is the parents of their grandparents migrated across Asia into Europe under great hardship, and arrived in Sweden during 15th century. It is said that in the 8th century a group of gipsies lived in the town of Male in India. In the year 710 Gipsies were known to have been seen in the town Pani before the migration continued though Asia. Here is a list of places that the Gipsies visited during the migration from the year 710.
The Year 720 in Kolunba
The Year 730 in Panim Gua
The Year 735 in Bombay
The Year 780 in Karifi
The Year 786 in Ahmada Bad
The Year 800 in Bisons
The Year 1000 in Balkan
The year 1312 researchers say that the first Gipsies were found on the Island crete (Greece). Many researchers believe that the Gipsies originate from India.
The Year 1346 in Korfu
The Year 1396 in Napilia
The Year 1426 in Spain
The Year 1430 in England
In the 14th century the Gipsies call them selves " Dom " which means human being in the Indian language. The Gipsies changed the letter D to a R " Rom " means in Romani Gipsy man. The word human being is " Manosch " in Romani. The year 1453 in France, the Gipsies were deported, tortyred and called discriminating names.
The Year 1560 King Gustav Wasa was very cruel towards Gipsies who lived in Sweden. Another King who treated the Gipsies cruelly was King Johan III. He forced the Gipsies to work as slaves in the mines and many of them were killed. Their children who also were forced to work in the mines with their parents, many of them died in mine-explosions. Queen Kristina ordered that all the Gipsy men in Sweden were to be sentenced to death by hanging. The women and children were to be deported from Sweden, and soon after they were then to be killed by Queen Kristina's soldiers. Starting the year 1637 a new law was past in Sweden that all Gipsies were to be executed without trial. This executions continued until the 19th century.The year 1914 the Gipsies were not allowed to enter Sweden. This law was abolished 1954.
Between the years 1939-1945 nearly 1 million Gipsies were executed in the concentration camps by the nazis all around Europe during the second World war.
The year 1970 Racial discrimination was forbidden by law, but I being a Gipsy still find people who discriminate us in the year 2001.
The year 1980. The Gipsies made effort on their initiative to live in the Swedish society.
The Swedes and Gipsies met for the first time without any great problems. " A life without racial discrimination ".
The year 1990. The Gipsies began to work in the Swedish society as school teachers, music teachers and teachers of the native languages etc.
The year 1999. The Gipsies became a minority people in Sweden and were herewith be called Rom instead of Gipsy. The Gipsy language was also also recognized as a minority language in Sweden.
The year 2000. The Gipsies commence plans for developing schools, museums and libraries for Gipsies in Sweden. Many people in Sweden still regard the Gipsies as an uncivilized group of people. There are actually some Gipsies who are educated and have a University degree, but in the Swedish society there are many ignorant people that despise the Gipsies.
Additional Facts About the Gipsies
1965 - The Gipsies went to elementary school and the Gipsies were allowed to live in flats for the first time in their life.
1991 - Gipsy refugees from Bosnia and Serbia arrive in Sweden, many of whom settle down in Sweden and many returned back to their home countries in 1996. Recently I was informed that there is a national day which the Gipsies celebrate the 8th of April.
We have a Gipsy flag that is very similar to the Indian flag which is more than 30 years old, even this was news to me.
1999 - Gipsy became a minority language called Romanes in Sweden. The language of Romanes is divided into four different dialects as follows: Khelderasa, Lovara, Sinti and Arlie.
The Gipsies of today
Rumania ha the largest Gipsy population. There are about 10 million Gipsies today. They are treated very badly by the native population. For example they are not allowed to enter shops, they live in dirty conditions in dilapidated houses with no water and electricity. Of course there are exceptions where some have been able to get work and college education. In a town in Czech Republic the people asked the government to build a two metre high concrete wall around the part of the town where the Gipsies lived in order to separate them from the other people in the town. This wall was built. The Gipsies in the Czech Republic have great difficulties, with the nazis (Skin heads), for example when they skin heads burnt down a whole flat where Gipsy families lived, 3 children died. The skin heads were released because there was a " lack " of evidence. The wall was pull down the year 2000
Some well-known Romani musician
Django Reinhardt, a guitarist from France who played jazz and invented a new music style on the guitar. He was famous for because he played jazz swing quickly with only the use of 3 fingers.
Gipsy Kings: Gipsies from Spain who got famous because of their Flamenco music.
www.gipsykings.com
Here follows a list of famous artists:
Kalyi Jag
No picture Ruza Lakatos
Sandor Lakatos
Ricardo from Germany, Hans Caldaras, Taraf De Haidouks, Ando Drom, as well as the Gipsy Brothers.
Gypsy Brothers.
Wedding
The traditional Gypsy wedding is initiated by the boy´s parents visiting the girl´s parents bringing food, drink and playing music in order to ask for the permission to marry the girl. If the the girl and boy are fond of each other and if the girl's parents accept the boy as her prospective husband, they then become engaged and the boy's parents place a necklace round the girl's neck and set a date for the wedding. This is called "Mangamos" in the Romani language. The week prior to the wedding is very hectic. All the shopping has to be arranged which includes food, drink, alcoholic drink, flowers, cakes and the music has to be planned. The clothes have to be purchased for the couple and all the invitations to the wedding guests have to be made, either direct or by telephone. All together the wedding ceremony and celebrations last the whole day. Many Gypsies have two days of celebrations. Some families collect money donations to the bridal couple, who also receive presents. This is called Daro in the Romani language. There are also mixed-marriages. This was unheard off by my parents but today it is quite usual.
Vastaukset 9
Vanhimmat
Romernas historia och den glömda förintelsen
Hur romer blir undanskymda i beskrivningen av förintelsen under andra världskriget var en del Dr Ian Hancocks, Texas University, föreläsning den 27 oktober i Stockholm. Han gjorde också en presentation av de senaste 50 årens forskning om romers ursprung och att den romska populationen är fragmenterad och heterogen.
- För tio år sedan hade jag nog talat om att romer kan söka rötter genom tanken om nation, men i dag vill jag förespråka att den romska folkgruppen ska koncentrera sig på det vi har gemensamt.
Hancock tog språket, andlighet och kulturella traditioner som exempel på det gemensamma.
När han gick över till att prata om nazisternas förintelse av romer under andra världskriget tog han upp en serie av händelser riktade mot romer före förintelsen som gjorde den möjlig.
Hancock skriver inte under på framställningen att förintelsen under nazitiden var en unik judisk fråga, utan en händelse som hade en inverkan på mänskligheten.
- Nazityskland hade en slutlösning för judar och romer. Men under Nürnbergrättegångarna fick ingen rom vittna.
Hancock efterlyser mer erkännande av att romer ingick i nazisternas förintelseplan. De miljoner som naziregimen hållit undangömda på hemliga bankkonton i Schweiz görs nu anspråk på att användas för skadeståndsersättningar till överlevande judar. Men romer nämns inte i officiellt i det sammanhanget.
I publiken uppmärksammades att det finns en rädsla bland romer att ett intensifierat våld mot dem som folkgrupp kan komma att ske i dag.
Hancock fick också frågan hur romer organiserat kan stärka sin position i samhället.
- Om judarna kan resa sig kan vi. Vi måste lära om vår historia, och vara den röst som berättar om den. Vi måste tillsammans jobba mot diskriminering av romer och kräva högre straff för diskriminering.
Föreläsningen var arrangerad av Broderskapsrörelsen, Olof Palme Internationella Centrum och Romskt kulturcentrum RKC
mitä ihmeen hienosteluu harrastat kuin ka moni mielestäs ymmärtää tuon.jos et osaa suomeksi tuota niin parempi jättää kirjotamata oletr sinä kyllä aivan järetön
1600-luvulla Ruotsi-Suomessa kuljeskelevan mustalaisen sai tappaa.Ainoa tapa säästää henkensä oli hakea oikeudelta turvaa.Henkilön piti todistaa kahden hyvämaineisen kansalaisen allekirjoittamalla todistuksella,että oli asettunut paikoilleen viljelemään maata.Että ei ollut elämä helppoa muinaisina aikoina....pientä on nykypäivän hankaluudet luulen mä;)
kyllä opettaja opettaa koulussa, tarteis mennä apukouluun
Romer - Ingen rolig historia.
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Folket utan egen stat har sannerligen ingen rolig historia. Förföljelse, inskränkningar på frihet och koncentrationsläger under andra världskriget.
Sverige har inte varit ett föregångsland och anledningen till att det finns många romer i Finland beror på att Sverige kastade ut dem ur landet och satte dem i Finland istället. Det var drottning Kristina som förvisade zigenarna till landskapet Finland. På den tiden tillhörde Finland det svenska riket.
För två tre år sedan bad den svenska kyrkan det romerska folket om ursäkt för den behandling de utsatt dem för.
Sveriges historia:
På 1500-talet var det belagt med dödsstraff för manliga romer att uppehålla sig i landet.
1520. Gustav Vasa beordrar deportation av alla zigenare från riket.
1560. Ärkebiskop Laurentius Petri förbjuder prästerskapet att ha att göra med zigenare. De fick varken viga, döpa eller begrava romer.
1637. Drottning Kristina beordar en allmän zigenarförordning menandes hängning av alla manliga romer i riket påfunna zigenare. Barn och kvinnor skulle utvisas.
Mellan 1914 - 1953 var romersk invandring till Sverige förbjuden, vilket betyder att Sveriges gränser joka ei osaa lukiavar stängda för romerska flyktingar under andra världskriget och de nazistiska förföljelserna. De som bodde här fick enbart vistas på samma ställe i maximalt tre veckor
varför hatar hela världen oss romer Skrivet av 'irakisk zigenare',
i irak blir romer mördade jagade och dödade hela tiden sen sadamm s fall .varför hatar alla oss .sadamm var vår idol han skyddade oss ,direkt när han fall började irakier jaga ner och mörda oss romer .allt är den lilla bush fel mina släktingar i irak har ingenstans åt taa vägen kan sverige ge hem åt iraks romer kan sverige hjälpa mitt folk i irak .varför finns detta hat emot oss i hela världen .vi finns i hela världen och alla hatar oss
varför hatar hela världen oss romer Skrivet av 'irakisk zigenare',
i irak blir romer mördade jagade och dödade hela tiden sen sadamm s fall .varför hatar alla oss .sadamm var vår idol han skyddade oss ,direkt när han fall började irakier jaga ner och mörda oss romer .allt är den lilla bush fel mina släktingar i irak har ingenstans åt taa vägen kan sverige ge hem åt iraks romer kan sverige hjälpa mitt folk i irak .varför finns detta hat emot oss i hela världen .vi finns i hela världen och alla hatar oss
Voisiko joku linkittää puoli raamattua tänne ja kertoa, että romaneja on sorrettu 500 vuotta niin alkaisi täydellinen paketti olla koossa.
minun ruotsin kieli ;) englanti menee kyllä mutta teksti sinällään ei sano minulle paljoakaan uutta. mitä siis sydämmessä tiedän ja sanoin kenellekkään sitä selittämättä. Eli siis kiitos vaan. En yleensä jaksa kirjoittaa tänne mitään mutta jospa alankin näitten nirppa nokkien ja parempien mustalaisten/valkosten kiusaks kirjottelemaan joskus jotain positiivisia asioita toisten kirjoituksista kun taitaa olla vähemmistö sekin :D
Kivi ei minuun koske joten...
Romer - Ingen rolig historia.
Folket utan egen stat har sannerligen ingen rolig historia. Förföljelse, inskränkningar på frihet och koncentrationsläger under andra världskriget.
Sverige har inte varit ett föregångsland och anledningen till att det finns många romer i Finland beror på att Sverige kastade ut dem ur landet och satte dem i Finland istället. Det var drottning Kristina som förvisade zigenarna till landskapet Finland. På den tiden tillhörde Finland det svenska riket.
För två tre år sedan bad den svenska kyrkan det romerska folket om ursäkt för den behandling de utsatt dem för.
Sveriges historia:
På 1500-talet var det belagt med dödsstraff för manliga romer att uppehålla sig i landet.
1520. Gustav Vasa beordrar deportation av alla zigenare från riket.
1560. Ärkebiskop Laurentius Petri förbjuder prästerskapet att ha att göra med zigenare. De fick varken viga, döpa eller begrava romer.
1637. Drottning Kristina beordar en allmän zigenarförordning menandes hängning av alla manliga romer i riket påfunna zigenare. Barn och kvinnor skulle utvisas.
Mellan 1914 - 1953 var romersk invandring till Sverige förbjuden, vilket betyder att Sveriges gränser var stängda för romerska flyktingar under andra världskriget och de nazistiska förföljelserna. De som bodde här fick enbart vistas på samma ställe i maximalt tre veckor.
Zigenarnatten
Den 1 augusti 1944 som
kallas för Zigenarnatten gasades
4000 romer ihjäl i gaskamrarna.
Mellan 250 000 och 500 000 romer dog i
koncentrationsläger under åren 1939-1945. Vissa källor anger att antalet döda var nästan en miljon. I Auschwitz var Joseph Mengele särskilt intresserad av romska barn.