This to Finnish!!!
"I saw human beings wearing chains on their arms and legs, others with iron clamps around their foreheads, and still others with metal collars around their necks.
"Cruel beatings and other punishments such as starvation, being hung over smoking fires, solitary imprisonment and being thrown naked into the snow or the frozen rivers, such was the fate of the wretched Gypsy.
"The sacred institutions of the family was likewise made a mockery; women were wrested from their men, and daughters from their parents. Children were torn from the breast of those who brought them into the world, separated from their mothers and fathers and from each other, and sold to different buyers."
"Neither humanity nor religious sentiment, nor even civil law, offered protection for these beings."
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Gad Leor 1810 :
The Europeans are organizing philanthropical societies for the abolition of slavery in America, yet in the bosom of their own continent of Europe, there must be 400,000 Gypsies who are slaves.
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J.Cumont 1778 :
"What are those animals I can make out over there through the haze of the evening? ... They are men: Gypsies. There are six of them, and an overseer too, keeping an eye on them. Can you see? They're as naked as Adam and their bodies are smeared all over with a thick coating of tar. There are shackles on their feet and yokes on their necks, and they're removing sand from the riverbed. They are wearing ... those vile, triangular yokes they put on pigs to stop them from breaking through the hedges, but whose three long spikes prevent the Gypsies from being able to rest their heads.
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Hans Köglich 1733:
..and they are killing gypsies because they killed Jesus.They deserve burn in hell ,best thing to do for them is to kill them.
"I saw human beings wearing chains on their arms and legs, others with iron clamps around their foreheads, and still others with metal collars around their necks.
"Cruel beatings and other punishments such as starvation, being hung over smoking fires, solitary imprisonment and being thrown naked into the snow or the frozen rivers, such was the fate of the wretched Gypsy.
"The sacred institutions of the family was likewise made a mockery; women were wrested from their men, and daughters from their parents. Children were torn from the breast of those who brought them into the world, separated from their mothers and fathers and from each other, and sold to different buyers."
"Neither humanity nor religious sentiment, nor even civil law, offered protection for these beings."
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Gad Leor 1810 :
The Europeans are organizing philanthropical societies for the abolition of slavery in America, yet in the bosom of their own continent of Europe, there must be 400,000 Gypsies who are slaves.
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J.Cumont 1778 :
"What are those animals I can make out over there through the haze of the evening? ... They are men: Gypsies. There are six of them, and an overseer too, keeping an eye on them. Can you see? They're as naked as Adam and their bodies are smeared all over with a thick coating of tar. There are shackles on their feet and yokes on their necks, and they're removing sand from the riverbed. They are wearing ... those vile, triangular yokes they put on pigs to stop them from breaking through the hedges, but whose three long spikes prevent the Gypsies from being able to rest their heads.
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Hans Köglich 1733:
..and they are killing gypsies because they killed Jesus.They deserve burn in hell ,best thing to do for them is to kill them.
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Vanhimmat
I would like to know where do you nead those translations...
You have a bit awkward request, but here it is, translated into Finnish. The translation isn't the best one, I translated it rather quickly.
I also want to say, that I am using the word "mustalainen" for Gypsy, because it fits better into the context. However, I think more proper translation would be "romani".
I would also like to know, why you wanted these to be translated? It is awfull to read. On the other hand, it reveals European colonizing history, which haven't been admitted yet. "The civilized Europeans".
Soon the situation is going to be, at least on some level, the same here in Finland. Some of us have already started to call themselves Europeans, although we're not Europeans, we're Finns (that's my opinion).
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"I saw human beings wearing chains on their arms and legs, others with iron clamps around their foreheads, and still others with metal collars around their necks.
Näin ihmisiä kädet ja jalat ketjuissa, metallirenkaat otsien ympärillä, ja vielä muita metallisissa kaularenkaissaan.
"Cruel beatings and other punishments such as starvation, being hung over smoking fires, solitary imprisonment and being thrown naked into the snow or the frozen rivers, such was the fate of the wretched Gypsy."
Julmia iskuja ja muita rangaistuksia, kuten nälkiinnyttämistä, roikottamista savuavien tulien yllä, eristyksiin vangitsemista ja alasti lumeen tai jäätyneisiin jokiin heittämistä. Sellainen oli mustalaisparkojen kohtalo.
"The sacred institutions of the family was likewise made a mockery; women were wrested from their men, and daughters from their parents. Children were torn from the breast of those who brought them into the world, separated from their mothers and fathers and from each other, and sold to different buyers."
Samaan tapaan perheen pyhästä instituutiosta tehtiin pilaa; naiset riistettiin miehiltään and tyttäret vanhemmiltaan. Lapset revittiin synnyttäjiensä rinnoilta, erotettiin äideistään ja isistään, ja toisistaan, ja myytiin eri ostajille.
"Neither humanity nor religious sentiment, nor even civil law, offered protection for these beings."
Ei humaanisuus eikä uskonnollinen tunne, ei edes siviilioikeus, tarjonnut suojaa näille olennoille.
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Gad Leor 1810 :
The Europeans are organizing philanthropical societies for the abolition of slavery in America, yet in the bosom of their own continent of Europe, there must be 400,000 Gypsies who are slaves.
Eurooppalaiset järjestävät ihmisystävällisiä (or filantrooppisia) seurojaan, jotta orjuus poistettaisiin Amerikassa, vaikka heidän oman Eurooppansa helmassa oli ainakin 400,000 mustalaista orjana.
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J.Cumont 1778 :
"What are those animals I can make out over there through the haze of the evening? ... They are men: Gypsies. There are six of them, and an overseer too, keeping an eye on them. Can you see? They're as naked as Adam and their bodies are smeared all over with a thick coating of tar. There are shackles on their feet and yokes on their necks, and they're removing sand from the riverbed. They are wearing ... those vile, triangular yokes they put on pigs to stop them from breaking through the hedges, but whose three long spikes prevent the Gypsies from being able to rest their heads.
Mitä ovat nuo eläimet jotka juuri ja juuri näen illan autereessa? ...He ovat miehiä: mustalaisia. Heitä on kuusi, sekä valvoja, joka valvoo heitä. Näetkö? He ovat alasti kuin Aatami ja heidän koko kehonsa on sotkettu paksulla tervalla. Heillä on kahleet jaloissaan, ja kantotangot joilla he kantavat heikkaa joentörmältä. He ovat uupuneita... nuo kehnot, kolmionmalliset kantotangot, joita käytetään estämään sikoja juoksemasta pensasaitojen läpi, ja joiden kolme pitkää piikkiä estävät mustalaisia lepuuttamasta käsiään.
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Hans Köglich 1733:
..and they are killing gypsies because they killed Jesus.They deserve burn in hell ,best thing to do for them is to kill them.
...ja he tappavat mustalaisia koska he tappoivat Jeesuksen. He ansaitsevat palaa helvetissä, paras mitä heille voi tehdä, on tappaa heidät.
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Ok, all the translations are quotes and does not have anything to do with my thoughts.
Why?because a finnish man is saying -that gypsies had not suffered ,and the man can't read english.That's why i need this.Did you know about enslavement of Roma.In the period from 1400-1890
it is estimated that the number of slaves was about 1.000,000 at the same time in 8 countries.
In period in Spain, according to a decree issued in 1538, Gypsies were enslaved for perpetuity to individuals as a punishment for escaping. Spain had already begun shipping Gypsies to the Americas in the 15th century; three were transported by Columbus to the Caribbean on his third voyage in 1498. Spains later solucion americans involved the shipping of Gypsy slaves to its colony in 17th century Louisiana.In the 16th century, Portugal shipped Gypsies as slaves to its colonies in Maranhao (now Brazil), Angola and even India.They were made Slaves of the Crown in 17th century Russia during the reign of Catherine the Great, while in Scotland during the same period they were employed "in a state of slavery" in the coal mines. England and Scotland had shipped Roma to Virginia and the Caribbean as and India,Jamaica,Barbados slaves during the 17th and 18th centuries.
Enslavement in this countries at same time.
Romania 500years
France 300years
Australia 300years
Russia 200 years
Usa 300years from
South America 300 years
They have been slaves in 12 different countries.
No other single human population have been that.And thats unbelievable.
This is there suffering list:
persecution, forced assimilation,Discrimination,expulsion,
slavery,transportation,torture,incarceration
sterilization,extermination,banishment,rejection
genocide,shot, hanged,beaten
and clubbed to death,herded into the gas chambers, and forced to dig their
own graves,medical experimentation, and tested for a reaction to extreme freezing temperatures,
Skin flayed off of head, face and body.Nipples pulled off.Bound to pillar head down and roasted.
Mouth slit back to ears.Crucified upside down.
Put in cauldrons of boiling oil.Thrown out of windows upon upward facing spears.Bodies gored through mouths with pikes.Arms cut off.Torturous slow burning e.g., burn soles of feet, then up to ankles, mid-calf, etc. until dead.Women stripped, hung from tree by their hair and scourged.
Tourniquet placed on head and twisted until eyes came out.Ears bored out.Tongue cut out.Set down (by pulley) into a fire by degrees
Thrown to dogs.Hung up by the heels and choked with smoke Smothered in caves on mountains
Hearts pulled out, which the papists gnawed with their teeth.Some roasted upon spits over a soft fire.Some had their bowels pulled out.A smith had his brains beaten out on his anvil with a hammer.
Some had sharp instruments forced under their nails and other body parts.
Some racked until their bowels broke out.
Some had their throats cut with butcher knives.
Knocked on the head with axes.Naked women left hung up by one leg on trees until they died.
Some slain and their body parts set on stakes for 30 miles streches.Some had their noses and breasts pulled off with red hot pinchers.
Some had their flesh torn with the claws of wild animals.Murdered in a church during sermon.
Some hanged by one foot, their hands and breasts in the water.Some hung up by one hand with weights of lead at their heels
Two tied together and slain.Some were torn in pieces by horses.A legion of soldiers cut some to pieces with swords.Some had boots of boiling oil put on their legs over a small fire.Some hung up on trees by the middle til they died of hunger.
Women's bellies ripped up and their children trod underfeet....And this is well documented.
Europe has quite bloody history and it's history has its roots also in USA, where European colonizers continue their destruction, sad thing is, that their actions affect to everyone.
Majority of harmful politics is in the hands of European and ex-European people (in USA).
Majority of us, Finns, doesn't realize that it is also question about our self-colonization.
Like one of our poets has said:"I'm not an European, but I'm a Finn", I agree. I am proud to be a Finn, but I am not an European, it's not a part of my identity.
I'm very well aware of the Gypsies. But we shouldn't look into the past, but to the future.
The interpretation
Raudanlujat ruostuneet miehet kuristavat minua alati.
Rautaiset miehet kivettynein aivoin. Niinpä heidän laillaan unhohdan kerran olleeni ihminen.. ja yksin käyn, päin heidään loputtomia legioniaan.