jo allekirjoitit

Onko sulla lukihäiriö?

Adressin allekirjoittamisella ei mitään voiteta paitsi että saa nimensä Suomen valtion hautakiven siihen osioon, johon on piikattu "ainakin yrittivät".

Lainaus Winston Churchillin puheesta -30 luvun lopulta.
Vapaasti muisteltuna näin.

"Aleksanteri Suuri on sanonut, että ihmiset Aasiassa ovat orjia, koska he eivät koskaan osanneet sanoa EI. Älkää antako tämän tulla hautakirjotukseksi (epitaph) englantia puhuville ihmisille."

Kuten hyvin tiedämme, hän sai sanansa kuulumaan. Toivottavasti myös Suomen kansa ymmärtää asian samoin.

Allekirjoitan adressin.


ps. Joko Päivi Lipponen suunnitelee marssia Tornion käsittelykeskuksen rasistisia menetelmiä vastaan? Kohta marssikavereita piisaa;)

Aleksanteri suuren ei ole tiedetty sanoneen noin. Toiseksi puheen pointtina on ollut vastustaa Hitleriä ja hänen tekojaan toisen maailmansodan aikoihin. Kyse itsenäisenä pysymisestä on koskenut sotaa, ei maahanmuuttajia. Se kelle britit sanoivat EI oli Hitler ja hänen sotilaansa, saman sodan lieveilmiöiden takia Suomi taisteli sodassa, mutta ei pakolaisia vastaan. Historiallisia faktoja voi lainata monella tavalla


To Whom Does This ‘No’ Belong?
Posted on April 9, 2015 by M J Mann

The Daily Star of Bangladesh begins a column on the country’s well-being,

War-time British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill ‘mobilised the English language and sent it into battle’, so said American journalist Ed Murrow. Churchill in a major address to the House of Commons quoted Alexander the Great as saying, “Why the Asians were slaves? It is because they have not learnt to say ‘

Adding, Churchill said, ‘I don’t want that epitaph for Britain.’ He was inspiring the Britons to stand up to the tyrannical Hitlerite blitzkrieg on London at an extremely crucial phase of World War II. Although Alexander’s remark was demeaning to Asia, going back to around 300 B.C when the native rulers were quarrelsome, the Asians were to give a much better account of themselves as history bore out subsequently.

The obvious thing to point out here is that if Alexander did make the remark ascribed to him, he did not say it ‘around 300 B.C.’ unless through a medium. By the turn of the century, he had, of course, been dead for 23 years.

Leaving the issue of the date to one side, is Churchill’s quotation an accurate one?

I certainly cannot think of any occasion when Alexander accused Asians (whether by this we mean those who lived in Asia Minor, India or anywhere in between) of being slaves for any reason let alone the lack of ability to say ‘no’. Certainly, in his own dealings with them, he did not treat them as slaves.

Against that, I have to admit that while I have read the four major histories (plus Justin) on Alexander’s life, I have not read every last reference and fragment. Maybe an author I have not heard of gives those words to him?

Is it worth searching to find out, though? A quick Google search reveals that not only does it appear that Churchill did not mention Alexander in a ‘major address to the House of Commons’ but – contra the Daily Star‘s report – he did not quote him, either.

According to The Churchill Centre, Churchill gave a broadcast speech to ‘the United States and to London’ (presumably the U.K. is meant here) on 16th October 1938. It is during this speech, that he said

Alexander the Great remarked that the people of Asia were slaves because they had not learned to pronounce the word “No.” Let that not be the epitaph of the English-speaking peoples or of Parliamentary democracy, or of France, or of the many surviving liberal States of Europe.

I appreciate that while Churchill doesn’t quote Alexander directly he does say that the Macedonian king said the words that the Daily Star now puts into his mouth; however, the Daily Star has still inaccurately recorded both Churchill’s speech and, I believe (along with Churchill), Alexander’s opinion of Asian/barbarian history.

KenenHistoriaKenenTarina kirjoitti:

Aleksanteri suuren ei ole tiedetty sanoneen noin. Toiseksi puheen pointtina on ollut vastustaa Hitleriä ja hänen tekojaan toisen maailmansodan aikoihin. Kyse itsenäisenä pysymisestä on koskenut sotaa, ei maahanmuuttajia. Se kelle britit sanoivat EI oli Hitler ja hänen sotilaansa, saman sodan lieveilmiöiden takia Suomi taisteli sodassa, mutta ei pakolaisia vastaan. Historiallisia faktoja voi lainata monella tavalla


To Whom Does This ‘No’ Belong?
Posted on April 9, 2015 by M J Mann

The Daily Star of Bangladesh begins a column on the country’s well-being,

War-time British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill ‘mobilised the English language and sent it into battle’, so said American journalist Ed Murrow. Churchill in a major address to the House of Commons quoted Alexander the Great as saying, “Why the Asians were slaves? It is because they have not learnt to say ‘

Adding, Churchill said, ‘I don’t want that epitaph for Britain.’ He was inspiring the Britons to stand up to the tyrannical Hitlerite blitzkrieg on London at an extremely crucial phase of World War II. Although Alexander’s remark was demeaning to Asia, going back to around 300 B.C when the native rulers were quarrelsome, the Asians were to give a much better account of themselves as history bore out subsequently.

The obvious thing to point out here is that if Alexander did make the remark ascribed to him, he did not say it ‘around 300 B.C.’ unless through a medium. By the turn of the century, he had, of course, been dead for 23 years.

Leaving the issue of the date to one side, is Churchill’s quotation an accurate one?

I certainly cannot think of any occasion when Alexander accused Asians (whether by this we mean those who lived in Asia Minor, India or anywhere in between) of being slaves for any reason let alone the lack of ability to say ‘no’. Certainly, in his own dealings with them, he did not treat them as slaves.

Against that, I have to admit that while I have read the four major histories (plus Justin) on Alexander’s life, I have not read every last reference and fragment. Maybe an author I have not heard of gives those words to him?

Is it worth searching to find out, though? A quick Google search reveals that not only does it appear that Churchill did not mention Alexander in a ‘major address to the House of Commons’ but – contra the Daily Star‘s report – he did not quote him, either.

According to The Churchill Centre, Churchill gave a broadcast speech to ‘the United States and to London’ (presumably the U.K. is meant here) on 16th October 1938. It is during this speech, that he said

Alexander the Great remarked that the people of Asia were slaves because they had not learned to pronounce the word “No.” Let that not be the epitaph of the English-speaking peoples or of Parliamentary democracy, or of France, or of the many surviving liberal States of Europe.

I appreciate that while Churchill doesn’t quote Alexander directly he does say that the Macedonian king said the words that the Daily Star now puts into his mouth; however, the Daily Star has still inaccurately recorded both Churchill’s speech and, I believe (along with Churchill), Alexander’s opinion of Asian/barbarian history.

Hitleriä vastaan tietysti. Se oli vapaan maailman trendi 30-luvun loppupuolella ja senkin jälkeen.

Toisilla on tiukempi seula ja toisilla ei. Jotkut kokee maalle ja sen yhteiskuntarauhalle uhaksi kymmenien tuhansien "vääräuskoisten" invaasion. Pelkoja on monenlaisia. Tämä kuuluu niihin jotka voivat jossakin määrin jopa realisoitua.

Suurelle osalle suomalaisia ei mene jakeluun miksi nuoret ja usein niin ylpeät nuoret miehet pakenevat ja jättävät perheensä kurjiin oloihin.

Maakuntakohtaiset kulttuurierot ovat jo kantasuomalaisten välillä selvästi havaittavia ja aiheuttavat joskus muutakin kun suukopua.
Nämä saapuneet lisämausteet soppaan ja en yhtään ihmettele jos soppa kiehuu yli.

Lainaus vklopun IS: "Tulin Suomeen koska täällä on rauhallista ja kunnioitetaan arabikulttuuria". Joku aikaisempi lukija oli lisännyt "niihän sinä poika luulet".

Miksi et järjestä itse, miksi odotat valmista?

oSanctaSiplicitas kirjoitti:

Miksi et järjestä itse, miksi odotat valmista?

Olen kepulainen peräkammarin kiharapäinen poika ja aina on ollu ruoka pöydässä kun on näläkä ollu. OLen tottunut odottamaan valmista.

Olen kasvanut kepulaisessa kodissa jossa aina arvostettiin ihmisyyttä ja lähimmäisenrakkautta ja ilmeisesti siksi minulle tuli jäykkä tukka kuin lintholmin sijalle etutukka.Aikanaan kävin lieksassa parturissa ja kerroin asian parturille josta minua moitittiin sattui juuri kohdalle ja parturi totesi nyt kävi somasti kun tyttäreni miehen sian tukan leikkasin pitänee kertoa asiasta heille