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daughter-father (truth-secrecy) relationships

(this follows my logical line to not edit, sorry..I just try to offer "something"
..leisurely essays are against the will of great scientist Oglivy, but on theother hand Patton
said a plan today is better than decent plan in a next week..who of these Gentlman is right?


This is an extract of the related articles considering sexual submission and domination with Celeste and Asia Carrera studied in full analysis( http://adult-entertainment-industry.blogspot.com/)

I do not explain more how and why this articles diversify to many persons and issues but I just go directly to the part which handles father-daughter relationship depicted by Jane and Henry Fonda.
Why I got interested is I saw Jane Fonda appearing on 60 minutes television release and I came aware her Vietnam trip were still part of an image.

It was new to me people might consider something You do at early age being still part of a person.

As we all are individuals and separate (thank God) we all see different images of things and actions.

I have seen a Vietnam trip of Jane Fonda at once from
a kid-parent relationship and seen it on a natural continuum of the rebelling.

This is self-evident of course, but aftre seeing the show I wanted to go and test if I could prove it from the charts.

I only recently went through
the charts of a Jane Fonda and Henry Fonda.

Before that I had seen these two together one time in the Golden Pond and I always memorize when they act on
a strand of a lake. I was about to notice at once there are level of relationship which makes
natural to express it directly, on a Golden Pond at least.

I think we all are triggered and loaded inside by our history and at times especially of a childhood.

Childhood goes faded at times but I keep it natural it comes expressing subconsiously and seeking
an balance.

What ever my opinion would be I would be willing to forgive myself for having questionable opinion of her,
due to a quite a brave rebelling at sixties.

This is not to embarras anyone and no one needs my opinions. I guess I also slightly promised I would not go an write about other than
historical charactres but I think there is hardly no other match which would be nicer to borrow an example but these two.


To start with Henry; I probably saw him perhaps
first time after kid with sequences on my mind
when I could watch the Golden Pond. At the begining of the movie Katharine Hepburn arrives with Henry Fonda to the summer cottage. Looking Henry, he does not look to be in a too great physical condition and as a watcher You may think how his heart wil take the Kate«s presence who seem to be a a lot healthier. Henry Fonda seems to be a bit tired, but then the watcher will expereince a surprise while he grabs the phone. He seems to be an inborn commander in a phone conversation. As an astrologer this took my first notice of interest and I went to see his chart and paused the videotape, while the expression jumped on me to be biased and have an edge.

After looking the ”phone” area, which is the 3rd house I find Henry«s Mars being in there. For an astrologer than goes enough to have the expression aligned to the expectations.

After that came the set on a lakeside with her daughter.

Then came the 60 minutes
and now this need to see how the explanations go for this daughter-father relationship.

Once I promised after writing an movie analyse to an local videostore magazine of a few lines that I will never embarrass myself no more by writing something which could be undrstood to be a fan letter.

Howevr today I was writing my suggestion for Finnish Government of a new legislative changes of the ”job law” (the law considerng working) regarding the unemplyed people. I guess I got few very god ideas to get tax payers money to be reduced and making people more independent and active, but while I do not think this active of course
I find I got a bit angry and stressed and I find this go
too neatpicking and I may sound too hard. I put the file away for instance, and to be honest having a little fear that perhaps I get troubled
If I put all of my ideas available, while they represent a course change in many other thinsg as well in Finland. Aftre all in our country there has been a tradition where a tax payers money have seen an expanded use, on my opinion resulting an unindependent citizens coming to ask allways help
from the government, while the parliament reps. have succeeded to build a systems where easily people are ”helped” resulting the natural outcome of a social welfare civilization entreing slowly to an crisis.

However I decided it is not
my business and I do not want to get stick with it. I send my offer t the Finnish Government about two months ago and that«s it I guess.

I do not knwo how far I have escaped from the stress when I indulge to my childhood hero«s. I hope I find not too much something same in here as well.

If I think what is my ”problem” to go heated too easily when to present an
political ideas and trying to sell them as an private citizen (I guess that might be hopeless) but I am not sure can I blame only my dad or should I try to put blame on Jane as well. No really, but I must admit for some reason while I have not sen neither of the Fonda«s movie more than two or three I allways remember Jane Fonda interviewing with a heated
manner a ”bad guy” who had a role to put a secret over a things when a nuclear powerplant was going down.I still remember the expressions and eyes of Jane even I saw it a s kid on 1970«s. I guess It hit me while I figured out the microphone in my mind could have been put in front of my dad during the times
he totally did not show any respect of answering.

During the 60 minutes show
I saw the Jane«s eyes on
that reporter film and in Golden pond with his dad and I instantly connect the natural reason for going as far as Vietnam.

I admit I have got so healthy
that I gave no longer personal capacity to overdramatize or even dramatize the childhood issues but one can be at least rationally aware that
there is hardly a relationship
in a persons life which can be as submissive as being a kid to a parent.

No marriage are able to do the same as the childhood
is. Jane Fonda having ability to express emotions as deep and naturally can both thank and blame for her parents. She would not be able to do this if the Henry Fonda would have not made her cry for good and bad I guess.

How Vietnam* relates this is that the relationship of a kid to a father is about to projected to an own Country
as well according the astrological expectations.

*Please find the things in here has naturally no political but an historical perspective.
It would be of course awful difficult to to talk or get progress if always one should feel the guilt.


What movie expression of Jane suggests?

I do not take this uder the work and go through the filmographies one by one
but memorize the films and few topics which gives enough films like ”They shoot horses do not they”, ”China-whatever phenomenon?A space story Barabarella and Golden Pond with elders , then a love affair to an foreign male”, Vietnam visit and training book
This alone without an honesty expressed they all go for scheme strong and coherent enough:the sagittarius.

To verify this from her chart
one can say the strongest is the Sagi as well.

So we have a first neat match to continue with a good enough mind being at least correct not yet mistaken.

(I try to avoid here the astrological Jargon, to able to follow the most important mass to depict a person«s life The Sun of Jane«s birthtime an at location was in Sagi, so her Venus as wel the North Node (depicting where the life is about to expand and develop, alongside with Sun) there is of course other jargon for astrologers like rising Jupiter(=rising sagittarius) which clearly makes the sagi the way to go in her life.

2. To ask however could I have predicted what happens in her life. My answer is theoretically Yes, but practcally No while it would have take the life time to analyse.

Sagittarius keeps paths of Exo«s for a truth,horses, sport and foreign countries as well.

While the energy lands her on the ”friendship” house it is natural for her to seek a support and connection from abroad.

The need to express the truth develops on my opinion with a natral logic in an environment where it is a survival necessity. Survival may mean as well psychological survival and reducing the stress.


I analyse myself of course partly in every letter I will leave to this world or only for myself but however from Jane«s point of view her parents either were secretive in a relation to her forcing Jane to speak the truth and take this carriage on behalf of the parents. This means the natural logic the parents have been thruthful as well but only dominating.

Jane would never have able to burst a tear or go probably partly unsure to Vietnam unless the parents would only support her to express the truth like they are. If so, when would probably never feel an urge to go acting.

Astrology says Henry has (had..I rather use not past tenses) both good and bad spirit himeslf what it comes to speaking. He is a sporty speaker if one can express like this. The way he goes for sport in speech is for a daughter natural thing to recognise. (I rather would not go too depp to explain astrological jargon but Henry«s Mars-Jupiter opposition opens up very easily by Jane«s mercury...
it is like a they would be sitting on a boat and when
Henry offers the steel of a mast putting Jane along t the boat she gives the third edge of an angle and they have a sail, which makes things move a bit faster)
Jane has used as a kid to talk out precisely what Henry talks in a sporty fashion. In close relationship people will internalize the energies, later Jane will seek and is ”matched” with ”Henry”-types quite often to have a sail, however now to sail in to a direction Jane decides
gives a balance to her.

Okey this is really boring. I admit.

..whatever while Henry«s 3rd house Mars is in scorpio and rx he has cunning ability to be fairly nasty and secretive at speach. In addition this gets even more emphasised with having his Pluto in Gemini (=another ”phone,daughter”-area..If You really like to follow..You probbaly must wait I hav money to hire an author..I admit I nearly hate to write this shit by myself )

Henry Pluto in Gemini opposes the Jane«s Sun in Sagittarius. This is why the dad«s secretive and manipulating skills go directly expressed as a truth speaking by Jane because she simply has an inbuilt need to go and purify of the overload of things related to the talking.

However Henry«s Moon and Venus supports Henry«s kid«s will to express thing directly and truthfully. To go as far as Vietnam there must be inner safety gained in childhood where truthspeaking is not pusnished but parents have in someway needed or accepted it to be as a ”role” of a kid.

If You ask why parents will not take the role of an truthspeaker?

Do You think they could dominate if They would tell all?

A truthspeaking reporter having a lot of natural moist in one«s eyes gets people triggered emotionally.This
expression goes people who go out to thank for having an oscar as far it is a worth of explaining from the perspective of drama if not anything else.


To understand Jane, we should understand her father.

Truthful Henry Fonda

If I have correct birth time I have exact knowledge of the birth time of Henry Fonda as well and the 3rd house mars analyses are correct.

I am not in best condistion to make fairly faded ideas like a childhood and history an too interesting, but while
You are saying boring, I guess my suggestion is that however the history would offer a lot of knwoeldge to make a better tomorrow. With sequences (first in the mode of astrology) there open a persons history as well in a new way. If You study the ancestors, Yuo might feel reliefed Yu can ”read them” when You learn to read their ”energies”. Al this are no more a non-sense and risk to waist a good life, but they are emprically more and more proven. You go at time to time church do Not You?
Please continue to do so, but if Yuo have few moments, You can read also spiritually considered things which however start to seem to be a more natural law than a witchcraft or non-sense of kids.


To study ”ontological energies” we can relate with ”eternal” and to fee ”sure” about things, right? As sure as...to compare with what? Probbaly the discpilnes who presents their edges on a statistic as well.

To have a key to the eternal if the thing is old or new we can learn using same energy. As well we could analyse the ancient Romans if we only would have their exact birthtimes.

To reveal Henry«s relationship to a truth. i.e to Sagittarius.

Henry fondas IC is in Sagittarius. IC (please check terms from the pay sites or by google ..the net is full of basic astrology terminology explained)
goes for a childhood (some say who have adventureship that it has a ”worm hole” to take a peak to one«s past lives..I personaly doe snot believe in them for more than they at maximum represent our ancestors). This means Henry as kid was a truthful..son of a bitch.. we might say if we would be at the first time revealing the truths with astrology.

To do something in a youth needs a balance when older.

Henry Goes up to a gemini
in his latre life and he learns alos other means than saying things out blank.

Before that, to testify the intensity of a truthfulness
in Henry«s life the ruler of his IC Jupiter is in 9th house
.As 9th is the Sagi«s house he is probably up to his throat of the truth.

Probably this is why the traditions will go that Jane will have to carry in her turn this ”boring” truth speaking for his dad«s behalf as well.

**If Yu want to have at the same information of Henry«s childhood the ruler
of IC in 9th Taurus makes his home of the childhod a very possible an expression being in the middle of the nature or taken directly from the western film.

To give You some jargon to read, there is no more ”western”
and counrtyside signs than Sagi and Taurus are. Both like open air and the nature.

I personally seem to suffer a symptom.Most of My energies goes there. While Henry is at his Sun as a Taurus, at least as an astrologer You understand why I feel ”home” to write about them.

The logic are not clever but I guess Sagi and Taurus liking an fresh open air at the countryside will not like too much of a lies. Lying in the countryside would feel odd. Why to lie when there is free ground to people to share?

..to continue a bit ..while Henry«s Jupiter is overlapping her Sun this makes her Taurus Sun is prety close to Jane«s original Sagittarius Sun. Henry is a honest person and values honesty, however he just has had it enough in his childhood already. There is no need
to rehearse it.

The same with me is with virgo. I have had enough neat picking critic and analysing and cutting the hairs to halves or even atoms. To go pisces is at times needed..like today..when I am unable to write no more of ..virgo..the unemploymency..what the hell does it belongs to me really? Do They pay me a million of my suggestion?
(Still I think they might.)

To soon delve into more of daughter-father rel. it is not no more necessary to say
that a survival in parenthood might mean also a necessity to have dominance over another person.


To measure how far Henry has gone is not fisrt of all my business but I guess he has been a decent father, while having a prove which means not only artitistic
and a lot of imagery capacity he likes the harmony and peace between people, due to an Moon Venus opposition which he has. If You remember the Horse whisperer and Robert Redford, these two has the same inners wish of a tranquility, which will be expressed artistic. Most of all giving a rich imagery. There is a inner film projector with these two.
It is also a candy and sweet
making possible they will not go never too far.


If to go a little more deep..To have an evidence of Henry Fonda I am not an specilaist of his movie while there is only two I remember. Then there is a TV-document where I remember in his real life Henry Fonda spent hours to make a aeroplanemodels with his friend as an adult. That is a candy stuff to go for balanced.


Relationship to Jane

There is an Henry«s Pluto opposing Jane«s Venus and Sun. The pluto is the heavies load of secrecy and waste. It is physically the one which are believed to show the disease cancer.
(I have not done statistic, hope some doctor might go out and try)

Psychologicaly Pluto will store the shit of an emotions. Then when they start to explode they come like in my websites. After a many yeasr I suddenly seem to go for a manic. But that is like a few wawes to wash out a shit only. When it goes away, the job is done.

..to suggest what the opposition means in daughtre.father relationship: to compare; If The persons in marriage rel. would have such a opposition they woud get along with each others a lot better than kid and father. They would be sexually attracted. (This I have referred in my earlier writings. While the thing is normal an important to understand if You are an professional child therapeutist I will explain more of these o my pay sites or your request.)


In a marriage relationship of male and female the tensions and imbalances Sun-Pluto creates can be used as a sexual power. Whence at least in bed people get relaxed and they have balance.

180 or opposition is of course not only expressing a marriage relationship but it also relates to the justice and even warfare.180 is a crisis/balance dynamics.
It seeks the perfect balance
of a relationship, but while such an attempt is a difficult there is often the potentilaity of a crisis, however a need to put thing in an balance.

The pluto pf Henry«s in Gemini is like zillion tons of ice put the trth on the oceans floor that is the feeling from the Jane«s perspective only.

When kid and parent is the question at these old times it was proably not only impractical but impossible for a parent to let the domination out of one hands or think there would be a justice and fairness relationship to one«s own kid.

Imagine If they would have create an fair relationship with a kid, ..or same.. with a citizens.. the parenst would allways fear how they command kids in a believable manner if they need them.

Henry Fondas secretive way to deliver information is felt ruthless by Jane. This is becasue Henry«s Pluto In gemini
meets not only the Jane «s Sun but her soft side represented Venus.

Plutovenus goes for a deep art but first it useœaly goes for crying. In some other circumstances it can go for a physical rape. In here
it might fel Jane has feel as kid only at times pretty bad mentally.

Henry Fonda is a clever speaker having very prominent Mercuri. Also he is part of the generation of Pluto in Gemini, referring to a spekers like a Hitler*.

(**please wait and I will give Yoo a good show of Adolph«s speeches verified by sequences..Adolf here is referred not to admire..but to make it memorable)

From JAne«s perspective the way how automaticly
Henry Fonda grabbed the phone and started to give commands are contextualised from the phone to a daughter as well (please remeber this is an education so no hurt feelings..ethics will be displayed later)meruci or gemini will mean both the daughter and phone if You wish to know for. If a person is a demanding on a phone he is with 100% to it to his daughter as well which is an common knowledge for an astrologer.

To memorize now the Jane«s rolecharecter from the China-phenomonen: She puts up an reporter who ask question an emotional state referring to a survival mode, meaning there comes emotional power to help the muscles. This ”survival” is a direct projection of an Henry«s Pluto In gemini opposing Jane«s Sun (her anatomic heart and Life). Jane is able to find the survival mode
and put up a moist in her eyes with a natural thing as meorizing the suggestions
of the hints similar as with her father, who had t doiminate her.

To get back little to Henry Fonda; as an actor he seems to be an excellent speaker according sequences. (jargon:mercuri extremely strong)

While mercuri goes with Exo«s not only to speak but for crimes when affliction and with heavy load.
Henry«s mercuri is on the most heavy room the Scorpios. Like wise his mercuris House is filled with Mars rx in scorpio. Gemini has Pluto at heavy just to mention few.

This reach an extreme In Once Upon a Times in West where this gest expressed as criminal. The death of a criminal and the circlin slowly walking the circle before that is among in the mercuri Taurus as death areas as well (to note some).

I do not want give expression I would get orgasm of old movies and my life would so empty
but Henry Fonda involved with a movie playing an Ennio Morricone«s music making love to a Claudia Cardinale plus bringign the piece of a model in his hand (like models he is able to build in private life too)

Can be find e.g. from the Venus in Aries (shortly: a female lover in a western) and Moon in Libra (shortly:
a beauty female) in country (moon in his 2nd house) and slapping her to buttocks and call and reveal her an bitch (Venu is in 8th house)

If there is astrologers it is very rare a person has a triplet of MercuriPluto. In the case of Henry the 3rd cusp in Scoprio, Plut in Gemini and Meruri in 8th. This explains why Jane«s point of view the ”gift” of Henry«s is really a hurtful, while Jane woud love naturally the truth and his dad will go secrets.

Such an energies make
Henry has have an immensely easy to manipulate the information and the speech. While also Mars goes Scorpio retrograde in 3rd. Henry is able to use timing and force with his speech, whatever he wish tio impact.

This is probably enough to understand a lot.She ”had to” oppose her ”dad«s” (as well her country«s) official” will.

If Henry and Jane would be ”aware”. The thinsg would probbaly come down at little. but not changed totally. The probbale ”inawareness” created an relationship which made Jane an will to go act and ability to ”interview” while the neded intensity of an actress would perhaps faded if she could have known her father better and more openly.

Howver without an emotional bias which parents creates naturally to kids at times we would not have enjoyed Jane Fonda«s expressions in many life areas.

Appendix:

Here is not a mention to go further but few for astrologers.

While looking into a family charts they are often emotional. Henry«s Pluto in Gemini is squelching the Jane«s somewhat helpless Neptune in Virgo sharply with 91 relating directly to the family matters even lies (NeptunePluto). This might be at working like imaginative like prey will feel about beast to suggest the imagery may go strong. Here the ”shadow” of the father is powerful to go ”imaginative and in movies”

The kid-parent in crisis is as well find from thir chart. (well it is in mine too) Jane has raised with a discipline Henry Fonda lacks somewhat himself. The SunSaturn of Janefonda Squelhces on 10th huose sharply with 270. Jane Finda has an exact very stong T-cross of a SunSaturnChiron

To take a kids perspective only one might say if You have to go as far as a Vietnam and endanger Your reputation and safety to heal Your father it is a pretty big resonbility for a kid.

I guess that shit is enough
I hope this does not offend anyone.

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Mr. Janne Huttunen
9th of February 2006

www.janehuttunen.com