Annetaan ulkomaalaisten ratkaista tämä kiista. Tässä kommentteja suomalaisista miehistä ja naisista ulkomaalaisten kirjoittamina:
axel
4.9.2006 5:22
I am sure most foreign men will agree that Finnish romance does not last. Women in Finland seem very predictable, easy to fall in love, passionate from the beginning, want to get married, then suddenly without any warning signs, fall out of love and want a divorce. It applies to both educated and uneducated Finns, professionals and non-professionals. They seem to have the same mother so to speak and all behave the same. Usually in most of these divorces, it is the kids who suffer in the long run, but these women will not factor in the hurt and pain of these innocent children, but will go ahead to annul the marriage/relationship and do it with mercilessly. They do not care about the consequences of their actions, and they enjoy it, even when kids are involved. Often they give flimpsy excuses as to why they do not want to continue. Counselling and therapy would not even save the marriage. What is the problem with women of Finland, why is divorce so rampant in this society? The institution of Marriage do not have any meaning to them? Any ideas to make marriages work? Is divorce a cultural trait to Finns as is binge drinking? What is the meaning of love to Finns? What value do people attach too marriages in this country? Has morality declined with the independent Finnish women? Any ideas?
kingsley
4.9.2006 12:04
Interesting observation Axel. Is there love at all in life? How different are Finnish women from women in general? Too many divorce cases, too many broken hearts, too many depressed people in Finland. Its a lonely and cold country and dishonest Finnish women, who are mostly not in touch with their emotions make this country more difficult to live in. I will prefer the cold Finnish winter to a cold heart of their women.
TY
6.9.2006 5:14
N.Nifa knows nothing and your advice should be garbage canned. Axel, I have had relationships with three finnish women. At the time when I was in a committed relationship with each of them at seperate times in my life, they were aged nineteen, twenty and twenty-six, respectively. Also, note that these women were from different regions of finland or lived abroad. A few things I found they all had in common:
1) They smoked and drank. When I disapproved of it they did it in secret. And I was the bad guy. Caring about her health and mine apparently was wrong.
2) They flirted with other men while I was present. They demonstarted lack of respect for the integrity of the relationship.
3) Very sensitive to the point they throw these baby-like temper tantrums.
4)Finally the most dysfunctinal trait was when I offered emotional security and reassurance they became fridgid and "numb". As if they couldn't handle it. Or it was too much, they felt trapped. Well, If a finnish woman talks about marriage and children and a loving & secure relationship, why all of a sudden get cold feet. (She thought about it and the novelty wore out.)
From my experiences and knowledge of finnish women from family, friends, social and psychological profiling from text-books and forums most of which is secondary source information, I conclude that finnish women [not all], but a large majority enjoy independence, "free-will" and feel trapped by commitment. Then when they look at their peers who have successful marraiges/relationships, they become envious and turn into basket cases and shut out their partner thinking they can have a better life with someone else. Perhaps a "Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt" type. Finnish women [mostly young ones] don't have realistic goals or perception on relationships and what it should be. They have this type of scatter brain syndrome. Most finnish women are emotionally deficient from up-bringing and carry this baggage to adulthood and the finnish woman makes the man in her life pay for the in-justices her parents have committed to her in childhood.
Axel
6.9.2006 22:49
TY its amazing the indepth knowledge you have about Finnish women. I think majority of those I met seemed to be emotionally bankrupt, lack morals, no values and mentally imbalanced. One intriguing observation is that, with all the sophisticated advances in technology Finland enjoys, majority of Finnish women are less sophisticated and lack self-respect. Sex is love to them and their God is sex. They don't fear anything and virtually experiment with men's feelings. It simply does not add up, and they are causing innocent children to suffer. Invariably, they emotionally and mentally abuse children without regard to the consequences in the future. Its scary the number of abortions every year in Finland. Its indeed very disgusting when you read about the number of divorce and abortions statistics in Finland. Lord have mercy!
Gabriel Fossett
12.9.2006 0:28
Dear axle,
I guess there is a point in your discussion , Finn women are sometimes so deperessed, and they feel like they need love, and when they fill in love thats not the limit, they need to experience another relation becasue they get bored so quickly, and they want to change and look for something new with someone new that does different things than the first one, they are sometimes so preservatives but with a new relation they are more open than a pornstar, but from my point of view, they think that its life and they want to savor it the way they think it to the last drop if may I say, and they like to experience all kinds of love with many different flavors of men and so on and so on.. and they prefer latins and northin americans, they think that they are best in bed and can be proud of no matter what is the case..
they are so sensetive when it comes to someone that hurt them, but once you live with them they feel that you are already there when they need you and it does not matter if they go here and there for a little fun while already the one they got is at home cleaning and preparing supurb...
this is my situation with one of the Fiins, sorry to bring it up, but thats a fact that they think of love more than any other nation does, but the love they are thinking of is just bed and fun, till they get bored then its time to another experience..
With respect to all Finnish women
sammi hyypia's left nipple
18.4.2006 18:02
I been to finnland on several occassions (mainly 2 watch FC Atlantis and visit friends) - and i find it a very depressing place to be. There seems to be a general sense of disappointment and frustration everywhere (especially in Turku). I like the finnish people in general (think the women are rather fat & butch though) and enjoy their company when they drink.
joana
18.4.2006 18:23
i have been in finland for few times and i totally enjoyed my staying there. i absolutely want to move there. i just hope i'll have my chance soon. i miss that pure air and clean water, nice people and most of all i miss all that silence. men are very nice and everybody is willing to lend a helping hand. best country in the world!
foreign wife of a Finnish guy
11.6.2005 21:14
In my experience they are not any different from men of other nationalities, except for the fact that they don't seem to be as romantic in the courtship phase of a relationship: there are not so many roses, gifts, etc etc. Once the honeymoon is over, they tend to be just like other men, for example suddenly deaf when they hear things like "please take out the trash" and suddenly they are back to normal when they hear the word "sex".
One thing you might want to take note of though. I'm not the first one to say this. Finnish men can be a little misleading on their expectations of their girlfriends/wives. They say that they want their partners to be equal and liberated blah blah blah, but in reality they seem to want their wives to fill the role of both 1950's housewife and modern career woman. Of course there are a few exceptions, so you just have to hope you're lucky to find an exception.
Hope that helps.
Mii
27.6.2005 16:47
My boyfriend, however, is the best thinkable one. When I saw him, I only thought he would be handsome and intelligent, but when I got to know him, I noticed that he is also extremely nice, sensitive and a real gentleman. He does everything to make me happy. He cooks, he cleans up, he buys me gifts if he has money to, he picks me up from everywhere if he has a car...and he is extremely good in bed, too. He makes anything to make me get an orgasm, he doesn´t really even need sex, but he likes it though. And what is he for a man? A pure Finn, of course. Naturally I have also met terrible Finnish men, but they have mostly been ice-hockey players. Also my best friends, Finnish men, seem pretty much like my boyfriend...I can´t tell what the most Finnish men are like, but however, all are definitely not farting and smelling swines.
Anne*
7.7.2005 23:26
Good question, CC. I would say that a great deal of Finnish men is very sexy. They have a very masculine body, are silent, melancholic and mysterious, charmant gentlemen and good in bed. You have to put a bit work in breaking the ice, getting trough to them. That makes them interesting. They usually also don't get on your nerves with with talking rubbish.
Then, there are of course also those extremely shy men who are nearly in their forties but never had a real date - those you have to try to avoid, they often have some mental problems, or at least an alcohol problem ...
Then, there are of course also those men who are quite open from the beginning on and whith which you can talk about whatever. They are outgoing, laugh a lot and like parties. That's the city type or that one who has spent at least a year abroad :).
In a longer relationship .. well, it's my first really long relationship, so I can't compare it to anything. I can't see there any major differences to relationships of other international people I know. We have maybe a bit more well-matched relationship and share all possible housework and so on like some other couples I know. Otherwise, we have our ups and downs like everybody.
Then, we like to do those "Finnish" things like sauna, sitting next to campfires, mökkiloma, ... . But nearly all internationals (I mean mixed couples like we or some of the same nationality) living in Finland use to do the same.
axel
4.9.2006 5:22
I am sure most foreign men will agree that Finnish romance does not last. Women in Finland seem very predictable, easy to fall in love, passionate from the beginning, want to get married, then suddenly without any warning signs, fall out of love and want a divorce. It applies to both educated and uneducated Finns, professionals and non-professionals. They seem to have the same mother so to speak and all behave the same. Usually in most of these divorces, it is the kids who suffer in the long run, but these women will not factor in the hurt and pain of these innocent children, but will go ahead to annul the marriage/relationship and do it with mercilessly. They do not care about the consequences of their actions, and they enjoy it, even when kids are involved. Often they give flimpsy excuses as to why they do not want to continue. Counselling and therapy would not even save the marriage. What is the problem with women of Finland, why is divorce so rampant in this society? The institution of Marriage do not have any meaning to them? Any ideas to make marriages work? Is divorce a cultural trait to Finns as is binge drinking? What is the meaning of love to Finns? What value do people attach too marriages in this country? Has morality declined with the independent Finnish women? Any ideas?
kingsley
4.9.2006 12:04
Interesting observation Axel. Is there love at all in life? How different are Finnish women from women in general? Too many divorce cases, too many broken hearts, too many depressed people in Finland. Its a lonely and cold country and dishonest Finnish women, who are mostly not in touch with their emotions make this country more difficult to live in. I will prefer the cold Finnish winter to a cold heart of their women.
TY
6.9.2006 5:14
N.Nifa knows nothing and your advice should be garbage canned. Axel, I have had relationships with three finnish women. At the time when I was in a committed relationship with each of them at seperate times in my life, they were aged nineteen, twenty and twenty-six, respectively. Also, note that these women were from different regions of finland or lived abroad. A few things I found they all had in common:
1) They smoked and drank. When I disapproved of it they did it in secret. And I was the bad guy. Caring about her health and mine apparently was wrong.
2) They flirted with other men while I was present. They demonstarted lack of respect for the integrity of the relationship.
3) Very sensitive to the point they throw these baby-like temper tantrums.
4)Finally the most dysfunctinal trait was when I offered emotional security and reassurance they became fridgid and "numb". As if they couldn't handle it. Or it was too much, they felt trapped. Well, If a finnish woman talks about marriage and children and a loving & secure relationship, why all of a sudden get cold feet. (She thought about it and the novelty wore out.)
From my experiences and knowledge of finnish women from family, friends, social and psychological profiling from text-books and forums most of which is secondary source information, I conclude that finnish women [not all], but a large majority enjoy independence, "free-will" and feel trapped by commitment. Then when they look at their peers who have successful marraiges/relationships, they become envious and turn into basket cases and shut out their partner thinking they can have a better life with someone else. Perhaps a "Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt" type. Finnish women [mostly young ones] don't have realistic goals or perception on relationships and what it should be. They have this type of scatter brain syndrome. Most finnish women are emotionally deficient from up-bringing and carry this baggage to adulthood and the finnish woman makes the man in her life pay for the in-justices her parents have committed to her in childhood.
Axel
6.9.2006 22:49
TY its amazing the indepth knowledge you have about Finnish women. I think majority of those I met seemed to be emotionally bankrupt, lack morals, no values and mentally imbalanced. One intriguing observation is that, with all the sophisticated advances in technology Finland enjoys, majority of Finnish women are less sophisticated and lack self-respect. Sex is love to them and their God is sex. They don't fear anything and virtually experiment with men's feelings. It simply does not add up, and they are causing innocent children to suffer. Invariably, they emotionally and mentally abuse children without regard to the consequences in the future. Its scary the number of abortions every year in Finland. Its indeed very disgusting when you read about the number of divorce and abortions statistics in Finland. Lord have mercy!
Gabriel Fossett
12.9.2006 0:28
Dear axle,
I guess there is a point in your discussion , Finn women are sometimes so deperessed, and they feel like they need love, and when they fill in love thats not the limit, they need to experience another relation becasue they get bored so quickly, and they want to change and look for something new with someone new that does different things than the first one, they are sometimes so preservatives but with a new relation they are more open than a pornstar, but from my point of view, they think that its life and they want to savor it the way they think it to the last drop if may I say, and they like to experience all kinds of love with many different flavors of men and so on and so on.. and they prefer latins and northin americans, they think that they are best in bed and can be proud of no matter what is the case..
they are so sensetive when it comes to someone that hurt them, but once you live with them they feel that you are already there when they need you and it does not matter if they go here and there for a little fun while already the one they got is at home cleaning and preparing supurb...
this is my situation with one of the Fiins, sorry to bring it up, but thats a fact that they think of love more than any other nation does, but the love they are thinking of is just bed and fun, till they get bored then its time to another experience..
With respect to all Finnish women
sammi hyypia's left nipple
18.4.2006 18:02
I been to finnland on several occassions (mainly 2 watch FC Atlantis and visit friends) - and i find it a very depressing place to be. There seems to be a general sense of disappointment and frustration everywhere (especially in Turku). I like the finnish people in general (think the women are rather fat & butch though) and enjoy their company when they drink.
joana
18.4.2006 18:23
i have been in finland for few times and i totally enjoyed my staying there. i absolutely want to move there. i just hope i'll have my chance soon. i miss that pure air and clean water, nice people and most of all i miss all that silence. men are very nice and everybody is willing to lend a helping hand. best country in the world!
foreign wife of a Finnish guy
11.6.2005 21:14
In my experience they are not any different from men of other nationalities, except for the fact that they don't seem to be as romantic in the courtship phase of a relationship: there are not so many roses, gifts, etc etc. Once the honeymoon is over, they tend to be just like other men, for example suddenly deaf when they hear things like "please take out the trash" and suddenly they are back to normal when they hear the word "sex".
One thing you might want to take note of though. I'm not the first one to say this. Finnish men can be a little misleading on their expectations of their girlfriends/wives. They say that they want their partners to be equal and liberated blah blah blah, but in reality they seem to want their wives to fill the role of both 1950's housewife and modern career woman. Of course there are a few exceptions, so you just have to hope you're lucky to find an exception.
Hope that helps.
Mii
27.6.2005 16:47
My boyfriend, however, is the best thinkable one. When I saw him, I only thought he would be handsome and intelligent, but when I got to know him, I noticed that he is also extremely nice, sensitive and a real gentleman. He does everything to make me happy. He cooks, he cleans up, he buys me gifts if he has money to, he picks me up from everywhere if he has a car...and he is extremely good in bed, too. He makes anything to make me get an orgasm, he doesn´t really even need sex, but he likes it though. And what is he for a man? A pure Finn, of course. Naturally I have also met terrible Finnish men, but they have mostly been ice-hockey players. Also my best friends, Finnish men, seem pretty much like my boyfriend...I can´t tell what the most Finnish men are like, but however, all are definitely not farting and smelling swines.
Anne*
7.7.2005 23:26
Good question, CC. I would say that a great deal of Finnish men is very sexy. They have a very masculine body, are silent, melancholic and mysterious, charmant gentlemen and good in bed. You have to put a bit work in breaking the ice, getting trough to them. That makes them interesting. They usually also don't get on your nerves with with talking rubbish.
Then, there are of course also those extremely shy men who are nearly in their forties but never had a real date - those you have to try to avoid, they often have some mental problems, or at least an alcohol problem ...
Then, there are of course also those men who are quite open from the beginning on and whith which you can talk about whatever. They are outgoing, laugh a lot and like parties. That's the city type or that one who has spent at least a year abroad :).
In a longer relationship .. well, it's my first really long relationship, so I can't compare it to anything. I can't see there any major differences to relationships of other international people I know. We have maybe a bit more well-matched relationship and share all possible housework and so on like some other couples I know. Otherwise, we have our ups and downs like everybody.
Then, we like to do those "Finnish" things like sauna, sitting next to campfires, mökkiloma, ... . But nearly all internationals (I mean mixed couples like we or some of the same nationality) living in Finland use to do the same.
Vastaukset 25
Vanhimmat
Miten sen nyt ottaa. Keskimääräisellä ulkolaisella ei ole Suomesta tai suomalaisista mitään havaintoa, tuollakin keskustelijat ovat enemmän tai vähemmän 'outoja', eli jostain kumman syystä Suomeen tutustuneet.
Toki nauratti itsekin ulkomailla asuneena tuo, että vähintään vuoden muualla asuneet ovat puheliaampia ja avoimempia .. no on sen huomannut itsestäänkin :)
Mutta pienintäkään ratkaisua mihinkään ei tuossakaan ollut. Asiat ovat noidenkin kommenttien (jotka muuten kalskahtavat osittain suomalaisten kirjoittamilta) kertomana aivan samoin, kuin kuka tahansa omin silmin pystyy joka päivä toteamaan.
mutta älä viitsi.. olen lukenut juuri päinvastaista toiselta ulkomaalaisten palstalta.
vaan kerro ihmeessä se palsta meille muillekin.
Taitaa vain vituttaa, kun ulkomaalaiset miehetkin vahvistivat sen tosiasian suomalaisista naisista, mitä suomalaisetkin miehet ovat jo näillä palstoilla kuuluttaneet, eli suomalaiset naiset ovat miehekkäitä, henkisesti epätasapainoisia, juopottelevia, kylmiä, persettään jakavia ja lihavia.
En ole miehekäs vaan erittäin naisellinen, olen henkisesti kypsä ja järkevä, en juo paljon tai usein, olen erittäin lämmin ja ystävällinen ja erityisesti rakkaalleni, jaan itseäni vain sille rakkaimmalleni, enkä muuten ole lihavakaan vaan hoikka ja urheilullinen sekä muodokas....
Mutta, mutta... Olen suomalainen nainen, joten olen syyllinen. Jännittää, että milloinkohan sitten muutun tuoksi sinun kuvailemaksi "hirviöksi". Toivottavasti en kuitenkaan tänä yönä, sillä olisi mukavaa viettää vielä yksi lauantai minuna. =)
Minäkin olen aivokirurgi ja astronautti. Toimin myös osa-aikaisena miesmallina ja näyttelen Hollywood-leffoissa. Olen ulkomuodoltani kuin nuori jumala, sekä luonteeltani erittäin ystävällinen ja hellä.
P.S. Pidän myös lapsista.
punut minusta kauniisti! Olen suomalainen nainen ja olen sitten vissiinkin henkisesti epätasapainoinen, juopotteleva, kylmä, persettäni jakava ja lihava?
Opiskelen korkeakoulussa, en käytä mitään päihteitä, olen naimisissa suuresti rakastamani miehen kanssa, (joka muuten on kolmas mieskokemukseni koko elämässäni)ja pituutta minulla on 171 cm ja painan 60 kg. Jos sellainen nainen täyttää nuo mainitsemasi kriteerit, niin taitavat ne thaitytöt olla sitten todella ihmeellisiä! Nimittäin kun eivät koskaan jaa persettään tai myy "rakkautta" rahasta?
Mikä sinusta on tehnyt noin kamalan vihaisen? Rentoudu hetkeksi ja hanki joku kiva harrastus!
Ah, tuota yleistystä. Mikään ei ole huvittavampaa kun lukea tuollaisten know-it-all-tyyppien tekstejä. Hmm....Jos minäkin yleistäisin miesystäväni perusteella, että kaikki suomalaiset miehet ovat huomaavia, mahtavia sängyssä, kilttejä, kilttejä, komeita, jalat maassa jne. (ja täytyyhän tämän olla juuri näin koska hän on suomalainen mies), niin saisin aika monta kiukkuista naista perääni, jotka törmäävätkin niihin pettäjiin, narsisteihin, alkoholisteihin jne. Ja mitäs jos ottaisin yleistämisen lähtökohdaksi Jammu Siltavuoren? Tai jos saksalaisista Hitlerin ja jenkeistä Charles Mansonin ja George Bushin? :D Tai jos tuollaisten ja muiden suomi24:n nalkuttajavalittaja-viestien perusteella yleistän, että ihmiset ovat helvetin tyhmiä.
Se, että rinnastat sarjamurhaajan, diktaattorin ja USAn nykyisen preidentin tekee sinusta sen sijaan TODELLA älykkään, vähintään yhtä "älykkään" kuin keskiverto anti-USA-punikkiteini.
LOL
Se on niin trendikästä vielä olla "tiedostava nuori," ihan melkein kuin äiskä silloin 70-luvun alussa, mutta eiköhän tuo muoti mene ohi kohta.
Typerää kuten tuo keskustelijoidenkin ajattelutapa. ;)
suomalaisista voisi yleistää perheensä tappajan, Mervi Nykäsen, seksiopettajat nuorille neitsyt pojille, jne. Ihan pimeitä yleistyksiä joidenkin sairaiden perusteella.
Keskustelupalstan perustuvat todellisiin kokemuuksiin. Yksittäiset otokset ei kyllä kerro mitään vaan pitäisi nähdä koko palstan keskustelu aiheesta..
On todellakin väärin väittää että Jammu Siltavuori Ja Manson yltäisivät niihin pahuuden mittasuhteisiin joihin George W. Bush ja A. Hitler ovat yltäneet.
kerro muuta kun, että sillä palstalla valittavat epäonniset ihmiset. Joku tuolla palstalla sanoikin, että kai ne suomalaiset on sitten miehet ja naiset molemmat niin hankalia, että tulevat toistensa kanssa toimeen! Onko näin?
Mistä nuo on lainattu?
Löysin jo =) Arvasinkin että otantaa oli tehty "hieman" valikoiden. Juttua suomalaisista miehistä ulkomaisten naisten silmin löytyy lisää täältä: http://www.uranus.fi/en/discussion/open.php?id=39103&page=1
että suomalaisista miehistä löytyi sentään positiivistakin tekstiä. Suomalaisista naisista kukaan ei sanonut mitään positiivista.
Kun näkee näin paljon vaivaa haukkuakseen suomalaisia naisia? Ihan samanlaista tekstiä löytyy varmaan joka maan kansalaisista! Toiset tykkää äideistä, toiset tyttäristä jne. Ihan kun tämän herran tekstejen perusteella Suomen miehet lähtisivät yhtenä rintamana pois Suomesta? No, jos tämä helpottaa jotenkin Suomalaisiin naisiin kyllästynyttä ja turhautunutta olotilaasi niin antaa palaa vaan. Mitä teet vielä Suomessa?
Yliluomaa katkeraksi.
Esikoiskirjassaan hän kirjoittaa näin -
"Suomalaiset naiset kuvittelevat omaavansa oikeuden haukkua kaikki venäläiset ja virolaiset naiset sen takia että nämä näkevät vaivaa naisellisuuden säilyttämisen eteen, niin kuin raskausarvet ja jankkakahvat olisivat jotenkin hienompi asia. Jos mies ei kesken futiksen MM-finaalin halua kuunnella naisensa ongelmista, on hän tunteeton paska..."
Kukaan ei kuitenkaan tunne suomalaista naista niin hyvin kuin suomalainen nainen.
On muuten oikeasti vähän ihmeellistä, että suomalaisista naisista ei kenelläkään heidät vähänkään paremmin tuntevalla ole mitään, siis oikeasti MITÄÄN hyvää sanottavaa. Outoa!!!
ja naimisissa ulkomaalaisen miehen kanssa. Ja ei hän ei ole mokkis, vaan ihan valkoihoinen. Ja kyllä, hänen mielestään olen ihanin nainen koko maailmassa ja hän ei oman maansa naisiin kuulemma minun jälkeeni koskisi enää edes tikulla. Niin on poika suomineitoon myytynä, mutta minäpä en häntä muille anna! Minun oma! Lälläslää!
Ja sinä raukka uskot... Voi sua pientä.
meillä on SE!!!! En kerro sulle mikä, kun et näemmä ole koskaan kokenut! Voit vain rukoilla, että sellaisen löytäisit!
Kokemukseni mukaan suomalainen nainen on paras nainen koko maailmassa. Ja kyllä, olen seurustellut myös ulkomaalaisten typyjen kanssa asuessani ulkomailla 2v.
Minusta samaa kansalaisuutta olevat ihmiset vain ymmärtävät toisiaan parhaiten. On sama kielikin, niin mitään ei jää epäselväksi.
Olen seurustellut 6 vuotta saman ihanan neidon kanssa ja myös suurin osa ystäväpiiristäni täällä pääkaupunkiseudulla seurustelee nimenomaan suomalaisen kanssa (mikä tietääkseni on enemmän kuin normaalia).
Ehkäpä nämä miehet ovat tosiaan jostain perähikiältä ja saaneet liian monet pakit kylän naisilta kun tähän sävyyn täällä kirjoittavat. Mutta ollaan me onnellisia joilla onni on.
Suomityttöjen ulkkismiehet (jotka nyt tuolla valittavat) tosiaan ovat yleensä todella reppanoita.
Se nyt ei taas muuta mihinkään sitä tosiasiaa, että liian moni suomityttö on perseestä.
huonot geenit, etteivät kynene parempia naisia sitten maahamme siittämään? No odotetaan muutama vuosikymmen, niin ehkä ne Thaimaalaiset/Venäläiset tuontinaaraat parantavat maamme naaraiden geenipoolia niin että suomipojat kykenevät ihastumaan omien isiensä tuotoksiinkin...