left Islam

Yakub etsii helppoa tietä, kuten tämän ajan kristityt, jotka amerikkalaiseen kristillisyyteen
verhoutuneena, vievät niitä loppujakin Kristityitä, pois Jumalan armosta.
Kristisusko on ristin usko ja kaikki vaikeudet on
luvattu kääntää, meidän parhaaksemme.

Kulakki. kirjoitti:

Yakub etsii helppoa tietä, kuten tämän ajan kristityt, jotka amerikkalaiseen kristillisyyteen
verhoutuneena, vievät niitä loppujakin Kristityitä, pois Jumalan armosta.
Kristisusko on ristin usko ja kaikki vaikeudet on
luvattu kääntää, meidän parhaaksemme.

Hän etsii tietä yksin auringossa!Mutta ei tiedä ollenkaan,mitä varjossa on tapahtumassa!
Ainoa tie Jumalaan vain järjen tie...

What makes you happy I respect it!But I respect
others also,what don't make them happy...and to
discuss whit them... T:-)

Yakup kirjoitti:

Hän etsii tietä yksin auringossa!Mutta ei tiedä ollenkaan,mitä varjossa on tapahtumassa!
Ainoa tie Jumalaan vain järjen tie...

Kijoita erilainen nimella viestisi, ei Yakup(esimerkiksi Yakup-II)...

Minä tiedän mitä etsin.. Tule mukaan..

Yakup kirjoitti:

Hän etsii tietä yksin auringossa!Mutta ei tiedä ollenkaan,mitä varjossa on tapahtumassa!
Ainoa tie Jumalaan vain järjen tie...

Miksi etsiä auringossa, miksi erämaan pojat väsyvät etsiessään, sitä mitä eivät voi löytää järjen teiltä.
Rukoile syntinen ettet joudu helvettiin, ja sinun
Kuninkaasi on tuleva sinulle...
Kuninkaamme Jesus on meille liian ylhäinen ja
suuri, ettemme voi löytää Häntä, mutta kaikille, jotka rukoilevat syntiensä tähden, Vapahtajaa,
Hän tulee, sinullekin..

Yakup kirjoitti:

Kijoita erilainen nimella viestisi, ei Yakup(esimerkiksi Yakup-II)...

Minä tiedän mitä etsin.. Tule mukaan..

Kiitos!Mutta osan etsiä omalla tavallakin!
T:-)

Yakup kirjoitti:

Kijoita erilainen nimella viestisi, ei Yakup(esimerkiksi Yakup-II)...

Minä tiedän mitä etsin.. Tule mukaan..

Tulenko mukaan?En oo ainoa kuka ei tule mukaan!
Olen vain Jumalan(Luoja)mukana...

If Islam were so great like Moslems claim,people would want to believe in it and
practise it anyway without being forced...
T:-)

[XXX] kirjoitti:

Tulenko mukaan?En oo ainoa kuka ei tule mukaan!
Olen vain Jumalan(Luoja)mukana...

If Islam were so great like Moslems claim,people would want to believe in it and
practise it anyway without being forced...
T:-)

Koorani 2/256. "Uskonnossa ei ole mitään pakkoa,.."(Dinde zorlama yoktur)..

>Respect all religions..

Islam respect to other religions..

Quran,2:62:" Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

Not. Git DNA testi yaptir, böyle sacmaliklar yazan bir Turk olamaz:-) Önce Kuran'i iyi bir oku, ondan sonra ahkam kesmeye basla..Neye karsi oldugunu bilmiyorsun..

http://www.kuran.gen.tr

Yakup kirjoitti:

>Respect all religions..

Islam respect to other religions..

Quran,2:62:" Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

Not. Git DNA testi yaptir, böyle sacmaliklar yazan bir Turk olamaz:-) Önce Kuran'i iyi bir oku, ondan sonra ahkam kesmeye basla..Neye karsi oldugunu bilmiyorsun..

http://www.kuran.gen.tr

If I were you,I wouldn't be proud.Because I am also from the Ottomans.But we know from history scientist,that SHARIA has been never comitted in during time Ottoman Impire...it wasn't sharia!
And I see also you are like others can't stand to see some negatives of oursides...The way what
you have I respect.But you can not put limit in
my way.If I am wrong...I think people have own
aspect,knowledge to understand me or not to accept!No one force another in this Islam column
and it is not end of the world;if some one says or try to show opposite things different than my
or yours...
How we can find true way,if we show only the paradisside of our world!
You can proof it!You know better than me,what we
have not seen and lived(learn)in our time about Islam,here we hear...because our Islam in our country is not prototype for all Islam countries.
We are different...perhaps our DNA is not same...

[[proud]] kirjoitti:

If I were you,I wouldn't be proud.Because I am also from the Ottomans.But we know from history scientist,that SHARIA has been never comitted in during time Ottoman Impire...it wasn't sharia!
And I see also you are like others can't stand to see some negatives of oursides...The way what
you have I respect.But you can not put limit in
my way.If I am wrong...I think people have own
aspect,knowledge to understand me or not to accept!No one force another in this Islam column
and it is not end of the world;if some one says or try to show opposite things different than my
or yours...
How we can find true way,if we show only the paradisside of our world!
You can proof it!You know better than me,what we
have not seen and lived(learn)in our time about Islam,here we hear...because our Islam in our country is not prototype for all Islam countries.
We are different...perhaps our DNA is not same...

>How we can find true way,..

Read this:

http://www.kuran.gen.tr/html/turkce/

Kuran,2/62-"Süphe yok ki, iman edenler, yahudiler, hiristiyanlar ve Sabiiler; bunlardan her kim Allah'a ve ahiret gününe gerçekten iman eder ve iyi bir amel islerse, elbette bunlarin Rableri yaninda mükafatlari vardir. Bunlara bir korku yoktur ve bunlar mahzun da olmayacaklardir."

Osmanli'nin seritala yönetildigi icin battigi yalanini bize söylediler.. Sen seriatla yönetilmedi diyorsun..

Yakup kirjoitti:

>Respect all religions..

Islam respect to other religions..

Quran,2:62:" Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

Not. Git DNA testi yaptir, böyle sacmaliklar yazan bir Turk olamaz:-) Önce Kuran'i iyi bir oku, ondan sonra ahkam kesmeye basla..Neye karsi oldugunu bilmiyorsun..

http://www.kuran.gen.tr

to add more...

Since two days you strive alone in this way.I think it is really good.It shows how sivilcourage
you have than others...Why we have to make it for others,when others(moslems)only read...Anyway
I don't do it for getting attention.I do it because we don't live in this society alone and we need share also good things,bad things to-
gether...they accept us or not:no one is perfect
in this life...

Yakup kirjoitti:

>How we can find true way,..

Read this:

http://www.kuran.gen.tr/html/turkce/

Kuran,2/62-"Süphe yok ki, iman edenler, yahudiler, hiristiyanlar ve Sabiiler; bunlardan her kim Allah'a ve ahiret gününe gerçekten iman eder ve iyi bir amel islerse, elbette bunlarin Rableri yaninda mükafatlari vardir. Bunlara bir korku yoktur ve bunlar mahzun da olmayacaklardir."

Osmanli'nin seritala yönetildigi icin battigi yalanini bize söylediler.. Sen seriatla yönetilmedi diyorsun..

some links...I am not sure...

http://www.islamiyetgercekleri.org/recm.html


http://www.quran.org/edippaper.htm



PS.Sorry for Finnish friends,that it is not english or in your language...perhaps later in translate...

[[[proud]]]. kirjoitti:

some links...I am not sure...

http://www.islamiyetgercekleri.org/recm.html


http://www.quran.org/edippaper.htm



PS.Sorry for Finnish friends,that it is not english or in your language...perhaps later in translate...

http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.cgi?category=1000000000000003&conference=1000000000000010&posting=22000000000119182

Turan Dursun and Edip Yuksel coppied books from others..
I have read their books..
They are like child and they are dreaming "I will be good writer
and all the world will listen me"..

Turkkilaset sanovat:

"NÄLKÄINEN KANA UNEKSII VEHNÄVARASTOSSA."

"JOS KOIRAN RUKOUS TULISI KUULLUKSI,TAIVAASTA
SATAISI LUITA."

Yakup kirjoitti:

>Respect all religions..

Islam respect to other religions..

Quran,2:62:" Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

Not. Git DNA testi yaptir, böyle sacmaliklar yazan bir Turk olamaz:-) Önce Kuran'i iyi bir oku, ondan sonra ahkam kesmeye basla..Neye karsi oldugunu bilmiyorsun..

http://www.kuran.gen.tr

"PAREMPI KAHLITTUNA KALLIOON
KUIN OLLA JONKUN NÖYRÄ KÄSKYLÄINEN."

PROMETHEUS

Yakup kirjoitti:

>Respect all religions..

Islam respect to other religions..

Quran,2:62:" Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

Not. Git DNA testi yaptir, böyle sacmaliklar yazan bir Turk olamaz:-) Önce Kuran'i iyi bir oku, ondan sonra ahkam kesmeye basla..Neye karsi oldugunu bilmiyorsun..

http://www.kuran.gen.tr

I left the Islam because of the intolerence people like you.Who wants impose own opinions by
using all way and by misleading.
You are not Turk but I am Turk.Islam doesn't
accept nationality,all moslems are *umma*,how you
dare say that you are Turk.Anyway for me it is same...I don't write,show my opinios to get(collect)people,members...just I write for myself
...




http://main.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm

Yakup kirjoitti:

>Respect all religions..

Islam respect to other religions..

Quran,2:62:" Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

Not. Git DNA testi yaptir, böyle sacmaliklar yazan bir Turk olamaz:-) Önce Kuran'i iyi bir oku, ondan sonra ahkam kesmeye basla..Neye karsi oldugunu bilmiyorsun..

http://www.kuran.gen.tr

I wrote them for ...Yakup...




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LLLLL kirjoitti:

I left the Islam because of the intolerence people like you.Who wants impose own opinions by
using all way and by misleading.
You are not Turk but I am Turk.Islam doesn't
accept nationality,all moslems are *umma*,how you
dare say that you are Turk.Anyway for me it is same...I don't write,show my opinios to get(collect)people,members...just I write for myself
...




http://main.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/why_i_left_islam.htm

I am Muslim-Turk.

Islam accepts nationality, but you can not say "my nation is great".. Because, all the nations ancester is Adam(the first man in the world).
Islam says that everbody is equal.. This is accepted today as a human rights..But Islam says this for 1400 years.. For this reason Islam is a great religion.

Before, I wrote about this:

"If you are agree with Allah then you can not say bad words to other nations. Because all the nations ancester is Adam(first man in the world).

I am Turk, but I could be an Arab or Finn, because when you are coming to the this world, you have not choise. Allah sends us Turkey, Finland, US, Africa or other countries.

You could be an Arab. But you are now a 'Converto-Turk':D "

Yakup kirjoitti:

I am Muslim-Turk.

Islam accepts nationality, but you can not say "my nation is great".. Because, all the nations ancester is Adam(the first man in the world).
Islam says that everbody is equal.. This is accepted today as a human rights..But Islam says this for 1400 years.. For this reason Islam is a great religion.

Before, I wrote about this:

"If you are agree with Allah then you can not say bad words to other nations. Because all the nations ancester is Adam(first man in the world).

I am Turk, but I could be an Arab or Finn, because when you are coming to the this world, you have not choise. Allah sends us Turkey, Finland, US, Africa or other countries.

You could be an Arab. But you are now a 'Converto-Turk':D "

Who I am,I decide it.If I say I am Turk.I think it is clear,that I am Turk.But you are 'Umma'.You
say nationality is not motter then you try to raise your nationality...I think you are not only moslem,same time you are racist...You are goig to take charge my destiny and you are going
to govern my own life...But I am the only master
of my own destiny and I choose to be ONE or I do
choose to follow someone but not like cattle!
It is not competition,who is best Turk...


'cobra'

LLLLLLL kirjoitti:

Who I am,I decide it.If I say I am Turk.I think it is clear,that I am Turk.But you are 'Umma'.You
say nationality is not motter then you try to raise your nationality...I think you are not only moslem,same time you are racist...You are goig to take charge my destiny and you are going
to govern my own life...But I am the only master
of my own destiny and I choose to be ONE or I do
choose to follow someone but not like cattle!
It is not competition,who is best Turk...


'cobra'

>who is best Turk?

Are there 'turkmeter'?

I am saying that "I am muslim and turk".

Do you know differences between "kavm, millet, ummet"?
Kavm, millet and ummet are in the Quran..

As I told you before, firstly read Quran and after that try to write someting here.

Now you are like child..
In turkish we are saying 'cahil'..

Read, Quran firstly..

Yakup kirjoitti:

>who is best Turk?

Are there 'turkmeter'?

I am saying that "I am muslim and turk".

Do you know differences between "kavm, millet, ummet"?
Kavm, millet and ummet are in the Quran..

As I told you before, firstly read Quran and after that try to write someting here.

Now you are like child..
In turkish we are saying 'cahil'..

Read, Quran firstly..

I am cahil(ignoran)!It can be...no one is full
wise...Life is knowledge till end of Life.I never say that I am clever.And I am not going to proof it.If I want something to type here,I believe nobody has right interfer...that is my
life not YOUR...