Lexus hävisi kaikilla osa-alueilla RS4:lle.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=123158/pageNumber=1
Numbers Don't (Often) Lie
Even with the roughly 70 pounds of extra weight that it carries, the 3,848-pound Audi is the quicker of these two cars.
Try this with your friend's RS4. At full stop, engage 1st gear, keep the clutch depressed and push the accelerator pedal until the tachometer registers 5,500 rpm. Then remove your foot from the clutch. All four wheels spin for a moment and then the RS4 digs its claws into the pavement and catapults forward to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and on through the quarter-mile in 12.8 seconds at 108.5 mph. The all-wheel-drive Lamborghini Gallardo posts better numbers, but not by much.
The 3,780-pound IS-F gets to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and does the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at 109 mph, trailing the RS4 to 60 mph by about a half-second and to the quarter-mile by almost as much. This is with the stability and traction control systems off (yes, Lexus actually allows such a thing, a policy initiated for its performance cars for 2007) and the transmission in Drive. Later we made our runs and manually shifted the IS-F's transmission, which feels fast but predictably isn't, especially since the launch is better in Drive.
Not that it matters. For all its displacement, technology and furious bark, the Lexus 5.0-liter doesn't make the IS-F much quicker than a BMW 335i, which makes 116 hp less.
Both cars stop with tremendous force and stability in a commendably short distance, with the Lexus coming to a halt from 60 mph in 112 feet and the Audi doing the job in 117 feet.
The Real Road and Track
The Lexus generates an impressive 0.93g of grip on the skid pad with its Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, significantly more than the Audi's 0.89g on its Continental ContiSport Contact3 rubber. Despite this, the RS4 barrels through the slalom fractionally faster at 70.5 mph to the IS-F's 70.2 mph. Give some credit here to the Audi's super-quick steering ratio and some blame to the IS-F's tail, which according to one understated tester, "gets pretty lively."
For all their similarities, including the near-identical performance in the slalom, these two cars go about their business in opposite ways. And neither acts quite like you might expect it to.
According to tradition, the Audi should lack steering feel thanks to its all-wheel-drive system. It should understeer heavily as it gets led around by its heavy nose. And it should exhibit a flinty ride. Yet the Audi has the more communicative steering here. Its cornering attitude is surprisingly neutral. And its compromise between a comfortable ride and good handling ranks with the best that BMW has accomplished over the years.
The Lexus should be the one with the plusher ride, the less treacherous handling and the more intrusive safety net of electronic gizmos. Wrong again. Front spring and damper rates are up a whopping 90 percent compared to the standard IS, and the rear rates are 50 percent firmer. This is a stiff car — so stiff over freeway undulations that it forces small, involuntary exhalations from its passengers. One of us even knocked his noggin into the headliner, badly mussing his hair.
The World We Live In
The 2009 Lexus IS-F is the kind of car that really benefits from switching off the stability control, as it'll do some really wicked powerslides. And the IS-F handles really nicely and precisely. It's just too much for us, though. Too much to look at, too intricate to fully appreciate and too hard-core for the street.
The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.
So it's not 1989, but it might just be the good old days anyway.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=123158/pageNumber=1
Numbers Don't (Often) Lie
Even with the roughly 70 pounds of extra weight that it carries, the 3,848-pound Audi is the quicker of these two cars.
Try this with your friend's RS4. At full stop, engage 1st gear, keep the clutch depressed and push the accelerator pedal until the tachometer registers 5,500 rpm. Then remove your foot from the clutch. All four wheels spin for a moment and then the RS4 digs its claws into the pavement and catapults forward to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and on through the quarter-mile in 12.8 seconds at 108.5 mph. The all-wheel-drive Lamborghini Gallardo posts better numbers, but not by much.
The 3,780-pound IS-F gets to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds and does the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at 109 mph, trailing the RS4 to 60 mph by about a half-second and to the quarter-mile by almost as much. This is with the stability and traction control systems off (yes, Lexus actually allows such a thing, a policy initiated for its performance cars for 2007) and the transmission in Drive. Later we made our runs and manually shifted the IS-F's transmission, which feels fast but predictably isn't, especially since the launch is better in Drive.
Not that it matters. For all its displacement, technology and furious bark, the Lexus 5.0-liter doesn't make the IS-F much quicker than a BMW 335i, which makes 116 hp less.
Both cars stop with tremendous force and stability in a commendably short distance, with the Lexus coming to a halt from 60 mph in 112 feet and the Audi doing the job in 117 feet.
The Real Road and Track
The Lexus generates an impressive 0.93g of grip on the skid pad with its Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, significantly more than the Audi's 0.89g on its Continental ContiSport Contact3 rubber. Despite this, the RS4 barrels through the slalom fractionally faster at 70.5 mph to the IS-F's 70.2 mph. Give some credit here to the Audi's super-quick steering ratio and some blame to the IS-F's tail, which according to one understated tester, "gets pretty lively."
For all their similarities, including the near-identical performance in the slalom, these two cars go about their business in opposite ways. And neither acts quite like you might expect it to.
According to tradition, the Audi should lack steering feel thanks to its all-wheel-drive system. It should understeer heavily as it gets led around by its heavy nose. And it should exhibit a flinty ride. Yet the Audi has the more communicative steering here. Its cornering attitude is surprisingly neutral. And its compromise between a comfortable ride and good handling ranks with the best that BMW has accomplished over the years.
The Lexus should be the one with the plusher ride, the less treacherous handling and the more intrusive safety net of electronic gizmos. Wrong again. Front spring and damper rates are up a whopping 90 percent compared to the standard IS, and the rear rates are 50 percent firmer. This is a stiff car — so stiff over freeway undulations that it forces small, involuntary exhalations from its passengers. One of us even knocked his noggin into the headliner, badly mussing his hair.
The World We Live In
The 2009 Lexus IS-F is the kind of car that really benefits from switching off the stability control, as it'll do some really wicked powerslides. And the IS-F handles really nicely and precisely. It's just too much for us, though. Too much to look at, too intricate to fully appreciate and too hard-core for the street.
The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.
So it's not 1989, but it might just be the good old days anyway.
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Vanhimmat
Sivuttaiskiihtyvyys ja jarrutusmatka oli parempia Lexuksessa. Ja mitä tulee kiihtyvyyteen, niin noissa Lexuksen tuloksissa on aika paljon mätää. Road&Track mittasi IS-F:lle manuaalisesti vaihtaen 0-60 mph 4,2 sekuntia (vrt. Edmundsin automaatti-aikaan 4,8) ja varttimailille 12,6 (vrt. Edmunsin 13,2). Ai niin, R&T mittasi samalla kertaa myös RS4:n, 0-60 4,5 s ja varttimaili 13,0.
Eli kun tarpeeksi totuutta vääntelee, niin RS4 on IS-F:ää nopeampi.
Ei totuutta tartte väännellä, Audi on nopeampi ja voitti. Audi voitti myös keilaradan jolla testataan ajettavuutta. Audi voitti myös kiihdytykset ja koko testin:
The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.
For all its displacement, technology and furious bark, the Lexus 5.0-liter doesn't make the IS-F much quicker than a BMW 335i, which makes 116 hp less.
Eli 335 Bemukin vie leksusta kuin litran mittaa! 335 ja S5 ovat samaa luokkaa, joten S5:n vie myös leksusta kuin possua narussa... sorry vaan tojota-pojat.
Niin, saahan sen tuon Lexuksen kulkemaan vaikka hitaammin kuin 318i:n. Mutta kun laittaa napit oikeaan asentoon ja vaihtaa vaihdetta itse IS-F:n vaihtovalon ja -äänen mukaan, niin tuloksena onkin yllätys yllätys M3:sta nopeampi kiihtyvyys.
R&T-tulokset M3:lle: 0-60 mph 4.6 s, varttimaili 13.0. Katso vaikka itse, jos ei muuten mahdu tajuntaan:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0608_comp_chart.pdf
katsoa täältä, miten Lexus kulkee:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0608_comp_chart.pdf
Näin sitä nähdään miten aikoja vääristellään, ensin puhit R&T tulokseksi 0-60mph 4,5 s, nyt se onkin sitten 4,6 kun linkki löytyi... taitaa ollaa tojota corolla lasit silmillä!
Sitten siitä luetun ymmärtämisestä, suosittelen kesäksi sulle kielikurssia...
"Later we made our runs and manually shifted the IS-F's transmission, which feels fast but predictably isn't, especially since the launch is better in Drive."
http://www.autospies.com/news/AutoCar-Road-Test-Lexus-IS-F-28012/
At MIRA’s test track the IS-F couldn’t quite match Lexus’s acceleration claims, although 5.2sec to 60mph and 12.3sec to 100mph are very respectable figures.
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on tuo R&T:n tulos. Ja ne mittasivat nuo kilpailijatkin samalla kertaa, joten ovat myös vertailukelpoisia toisiinsa...
http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=4742e0c8d2ba3&car2=4585874a284a1
"Lexus IS F is noticeably faster."
...ovat huonompia kuin M3 ja C-AMG. Näin ovat lukuisat testitkin (mm. arvostettu R&T) todenneet. Lexusta pitäisin Audia haluttavampana ylivertaisen laadun ja luotettavuuden sekä yksilöllisyyden vuoksi. Ei ole lippisjengin auto.
M3 on ehkä nopeampi, mutta varsinkin sedanina törkeän ruma. Mersu ei ole edes nopeampi...
Luin linkin takana olevan vertailun, ja kyllähän takavetoinen, automaattivaihteinen, sivistynyt ja teknisesti edistynyt Lexus vei voiton vulgaarista käsinhämmennettävästä ja maataloustyökoneen vetotavalla varustetusta Audista.
Kiihtyvyydessä Lexus hävisi 60 mph:n saakka vain ja ainoastaan vetotavasta johtuen. Neljännesmailin loppunopeus oli Audia suurempi, joten mikäli kiihdytystä olisi jatkettu, olisi Lexus mennyt heittämällä Audista ohi. Tuo pieni etu, mikä tällä palstalla niin tärkeissä liikennevalokiihdytyksissä saavutetaan, ei ole maataloustyököneissa käytettävän vetotavan mukanaan tuomien haittojen arvoista.
Jarrut olivat Lexuksessa kiistatta paremmat kuin Audissa. Samoin sivuttaispito oli japanilaisen loistavan alustageometrian ansiosta Audia parempi. Nämä ominaisuudet ovat huomattavasti tärkeämpiä kuin sekunnin kymmenesosat neljännesmailin kiihdytyksissä. Pujottelutestissä Audi ei saanut juurikaan eroa aikaiseksi huolimatta normaliajoon liian nopeasta ohjauksesta ja kokoluokkaa pienemmästä akselivälistä.
Teknisesti Lexus vei voiton hienomman moottorinsa ansiosta. Audi on vankasti maamoottorilinjalla vanhentuneine teknisine ratkaisuineen ja koneen paras ominaisuus olikin testin mukaan sen äänet. Jälleen osoitus siitä miten tämän palstan lukijat ja ko. testin kirjoittajat arvostavat samoja asioita autossa.
Maailma jossa elämme.
Testaajat saivat hienot Audi-lippikset koeajon lopuksi joten se voitti :)
Ei tojotasta saa Audin voittajaa vaikka siihen laitetaan iso kone. Audi oli "vanhalla" tekniikallaan uutta leksusta nopeampi myös pujottelukokeessa. Tosin M3 olisi ollut vielä nopeampi.
The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins.
Näyttää Toyotalla olevan pienoisia ajettavuusongelmia vaikka pitoa oli huomattavasti enemmän kuin Audilla?
The Lexus generates an impressive 0.93g of grip on the skid pad with its Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, significantly more than the Audi's 0.89g on its Continental ContiSport Contact3 rubber. Despite this, the RS4 barrels through the slalom fractionally faster at 70.5 mph to the IS-F's 70.2 mph. Give some credit here to the Audi's super-quick steering ratio and some blame to the IS-F's tail, which according to one understated tester, "gets pretty lively."
Mutta Lexuksella ei. Onhan se tietysti traktorikuskille kauhea kokemus, kun ajoneuvo ei koko ajan kynnä keula edellä. Autoilusta pitäville se on vain plussaa.
A4 still can't quite match the all-conquering 3-series in terms of raw dynamic appeal. There's plenty of grip to exploit, but messages through the steering wheel about how close you're getting to the limits feel muted.
Audi A4 – Fifth Gear
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But it was the handling that disappointed us the most. Absolutely wonderful up to about eight-tenths – the car hanging on superbly on good or bad surfaces alike – the Audi feels ponderously nose-heavy when you go that extra step. Despite the standard stability control, the S4 doesn’t do anything but understeer once the grip limits have been breached. And understeer a surprising amount, too. There is little throttle control – the chassis is as wooden as the steering - and all that you can do is reduce the throttle opening to allow front-end grip to be re-established.
Audi S4 – AutoSpeed
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But throw a few tight turns and some committed cornering into the equation and the Cabriolet comes over all whale-like. The steering is typically Audi - stodgy and lifeless - and the chassis has only one party trick; terminal understeer.
Audi A4 Cabriolet V6 – Evo
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An experienced driver will find typical Audi understeer at the limit.
Audi S4 Cabriolet - Straight Six.com
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Keen drivers will be disappointed by the lifeless steering.
Audi A6 - What Car?
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The Audi is a letdown with its lifeless steering and excessive understeer at the limit. The A8L does not match the Maserati's level of roadholding, nor is it as entertaining.
Audi A8L - Automobile Magazine
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The Audi TT has never quite hit the spot. It's quick, grippy and has a chunky, high-quality appeal, but the heavy, lifeless steering, understeery balance and effective but charisma-free 1.8-litre turbocharged engine have always marked it down as an also-ran for those who put dynamics ahead of prestige. Even the more sonorous 3.2 V6 TT doesn't quite live up to the promise of its billing as a compact, driver-focused, 250bhp, four-wheel-drive coupe.
Audi TT - evo
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I've driven fast Audis before, and I've always been impressed by the amount of grunt available, and the way it's so easy to reach license-threatening speeds.
But I've also found as drivers' cars, they usually fall wide of the mark with lifeless steering and lacking the involvement you get with the BMW M3.
Audi RS4 - AutoTrader -
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Unfortunately, all of these are slightly blunted by Audi’s fabulously precise but lifeless steering.
While it weighs up nicely going into corners and feels really sharp, it doesn’t give you a clue about how much grip you’ve got left.
Audi A3 - Star Motoring
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however the Audi features quattro four-wheel-drive - making it a grippy contender. That doesn’t translate to the most rewarding drive here though, for while the Audi is undoubtedly swift and accomplished, it all feels a bit detached and clinical on the road.
Audi A3 - MSN cars
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Should I buy one?
The S5’s case takes a bit of a dive when it comes to money. Nice although it is, it’s going to have serious difficulty justifying itself next to the considerably cheaper BMW 335i Coupe, which is almost as fast, far more practical and still better to drive.
Buyers looking for value will therefore have to cast their eyes further down the A5 range; those looking for the best driving coupe of this size, on the other hand, need look no further than the alternative offered by Audi's old Munich rival.
Audi A5 - Autocar
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Assets
Quality and solidity, sumptuous cabin, big boot, gutsy 3.0 TDI engine, effective Multitronic transmission.
Drawbacks
Feels nose heavy despite new chassis design, unresolved styling, poor rear-seat room.
Verdict
Lacks a clear personality. Competent in many ways but could have been so much better.
Audi A6 - 4 Car from channel 4
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To the traditional constituency of Audi fashionistas I imagine it will prove to be a very appealing product.
But what I cannot see it doing is persuading those to whom driving pleasure matters very much to forsake their BMWs for it. A 335i coupé is perhaps a little slower, but only a fool presumes that speed and fun are always the same.
Audi S5 – The Times
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And so the A5 is indeed a good drive.
But it lacks the sparkle that all these smiling men should have given it.
Design first: yes, there are some great details (get those magical LED running lights, like luminous mascara). But it looks like it's sagging in the middle, and the big ol' Audi grille still doesn't do it for me.
Engines: yup, mark those up to a win. The V6 feels like has deeper lungs than a BMW three-litre, and it's a lot smoother than Merc's V6. The V6 diesel is a bit of a triumph too.
And the chassis has nice accurate new steering. But all-new layout or not, the A5 corners like an old-school Audi. Gentle but unavoidable understeer, little sense of fun, no tweakability at the limit. Audi keeps telling us they make sporty cars, but in the chassis department, they don't really. Fast, easy to drive hard, but not inspiring.
So put Walter's Latin emotion on hold. This is still a bit of a po-faced car.
Audi A5 – Top Gear
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Unfortunately the TT's steering is lacking in any real feel, in an attempt to isolate feedback no doubt, but it is well weighted. Driven hard, the TT is a good companion, with good body and wheel control, and it is not too uncomfortable either. The structure didn't feel as rigid as in the Nissan 350Z (though that car has a rear strut brace where passengers might sit), and the TT certainly doesn't provide the same pure driving experience a rear-wheel drive car can.
Audi TT - www.carenthusisast.com
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Even with a 4.2 litre 450bhp twin-turbo V8 it can’t match more charismatic offerings from BMW, Jaguar and Mercedes. But don’t dismiss the Audi, being bland is not the same as being bad. The A6 is not a bad car.
Putting a 4.2 litre V8 in a car this size should be a recipe for fun but the extra weight and the lifeless steering conspire to produce a car that is less than the sum of its parts.
Audi A6 - The Times online
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juttuja...
Löytyiskö jotain myös 1970-luvulta?
denna text på norsk också. Fan va det kan jävlas på mig då alla text är på fel språk. Jag har tänkt at finlands andra språk är svenska men fan heller det är ju engelsk, fattas bara at ni börjar skriva tysk också. Satan jag förstår ingenting.
Kyllähän Suomen todellinen kakkos-kieli on englanti. Se vain on toisasia eikä se itkemisellä mihinkään muutu.
Hyvässä ja pahassa. Muut tulevat kaukana takana.
American twentyfour sites vai mitä helvettiä kun ei suomen sanaa.
No kun noita superautojen testejä ei löydy kuin ulkomailta. Suomessa testataan corollaa ja skeidaa ja sitten ihmetellään kummassa on suurempi takakontti.
Mitä autoissa pitäisi oikeasti testata?
mikä on tärkeää autojen ostajalle, oikeasti?
Noista kahdesta autosta minun talliini tulisi ilman muuta Audi, ei kysymystäkään. Molemmat ovat varmasti hyviä, mutta en kehtaisi Lexuksella ajella naapureiden naureskelun vuoksi. Näin se vaan on.
Juu toisilla tosiaan on tommonen huono itsetunto, että autokin pitää ostaa naapureiden mukaan. Itse en audiin käsiäni likaisi. Taidat olla sellainen perus sopuli. Tuulitakki päällä ajellaan audilla. Töissä oot varmaan paperitehtaalla. Miksi ne naapurit muuten naureskelisivat lexuksella ajeleulle? Mitä hauskaa siinä on?
Niin näet.
mitä haittaa siitä on, jos joku nauraa autollesi? Ei kai nyt aikuinen ihminen sellaisesta piittaa? Tai no tuulitakkisopulit ehkä...Audia alle vaan, ehkä saat sen lippiksen kaupan päälle?
En ole huomannut, että naapurit naureskelisivat :-) Ja mulla on kaksi vuotta vanha Lexus....
Näköjään täällä on porukkaa jolle sarkasmi on täysin käsittämätön käsite.
Ostan autoni ihan oman mieltymykseni mukaan. Siitä ei muut päätä (paitsi vaimo värin ;-))
Tuulitakkia en omista, enkä Audiakaan. naapurit varmasti naljailisivat jos ajaisin Japanilaisella autolla. Merkkiin katsomatta. Ja kuten kirjoitin, molemmat (Audi, Lexus) ovat varmasti hyviä autoja.
Hyviä autoja on vaan niin paljon. Joku jo kirjoittikin että kaikki isommat autotehtaat voivat tehdä about saman tehoisen auton samaan hintaan. Tehtaiden strategiat vain vaihtelevat.