Tämän palstan kirous on trollit, eli sellaiset turhautuneet (yleensä teini-ikäiset) henkilöt joilla ei ole parempaakaan tekemistä kuin lähettää harkitusti idioottimaisia provosoivia keskustelunaloituksia, joihin sitten netikettiä vähemmän tuntevat oitis menevät vastaamaan pitkillä vuodatuksilla.
vähän kertausta aiheesta trollaus ja trollaantuminen, sekä kuinka menetellä trollien suhteen:
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Trollaus ja trollaantuminen
Kirjoitusta, jonka on tarkoitus aiheuttaa fleimejä, sanotaan trolliksi. Suomenkieliseksi vastineeksi on ehdotettu sanaa "vedätys". Yleensä trollaaja esittää jostakin kuumasta, kiistanalaisesta aiheesta äärimmäisen mielipiteen esittäen sen vastustajien kantaa halventaen, positiivisia argumentteja esittämättä. Usein trolli on tarkoituksellisen naiivi ja sisältää niin monta väärinkäsitystä tai vääristelyä, että liki jokaisen tekisi mieli oikaista edes osa - ja jos oikaisemiseen rupeaa, siitäpä tuleekin vuodatus. Trollaus voidaan pukea myös kysymyksen muotoon. Esimerkkinä voisi olla vaikkapa se, että joku kirjoittaa sci.lang-ryhmään kysymyksen muotoon puetun pyynnön kertoa, miksi englannin kieli on maailman kehittynein kieli; trollaavuutta korostaa, että ryhmän fakissa on selostus sellaisen kysymyksenasettelun harhaisuudesta. Esimerkein havainnollistettu kuvaus trollauksesta on artikkelissa Usenet fish tales -- how to avoid being trolled.
Käytännössä trollausta voi olla äärimmäisen vaikea erottaa pelkästä syvästä tietämättömyydestä tai tyhmyydestä, joskin säännölliset trollaajat yleensä oppii tunnistamaan. Toisaalta se ei ole yleensä tarpeenkaan, koska kummassakin tapauksessa on yleensä fiksuinta olla välittämättä koko jutusta. Varo joutumasta koukkuun, "trollaantumasta". Enintään voi joskus julkisesti varoittaa muita trollaajiksi tietämistään kirjoittelijoista; ks. dokumentin Guide to Flaming kohtaa Trollshifting. Ei pidä provosoitua, vaikka provosoidaan. Ks. myös alt.troll FAQ ja alt.syntax.tactical FAQ.
Alkujaan englannin sanaa troll ruvettiin käyttämään sen uistelemista tarkoittavan merkityksen pohjalta nyysislangissa viittaamaan kirjoitukseen, joka "kalastelee" fleimejä, tai tällaiseen kalasteluun toimintana. Ajatuksena oli, että trollaaja yrittää saada ihmisiä koukkuun eli kirjoittamaan kiivaita vastineita. Myöhemmin sana sekaantui skandinaavisperäiseen substantiiviin troll (vrt. sanaan trulli), ja ja nykyisin troll voi tarkoittaa myös ihmistä, joka trollaa.
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Sitten vielä parempia määritelmiä (englanniksi):
http://www.advicemeant.com/flame/10define.shtml
Damp Squib: the Flame Master needs a focus for the attacks, and the Damp Squib is that person. Often, the Damp Squib was the poor sap who started the whole thing - but the Flame Master may choose not to tangle with the Detonator, and so selects someone else. Not quite an innocent bystander, the Damp Squib may have self-selected by butting in as a two-center or firefighting.
The Detonator: intentionally or not, the detonator started it. Often by mistake, but sometimes as a calculated act of revenge for a previous encounter, the Detonator makes a comment that is 'inappropriate'. If you are in a group for any length of time, you can see flamebait coming - and you can often tell if its deliberate or not.
Dictionary flame: An attempt to sidetrack a debate by insisting on meanings for key terms that presuppose a desired conclusion or smuggle in an implicit premise. A common tactic of people who prefer semantic argument to reality. Compare spelling flame
Firefighter: The Firefighter is the one who tries to cool the debate with the introduction of sweet reason. Doomed to failure, because the flame war is essentially a private campaign in a public place - the Firefighters cannot hope to influence anyone, and half the time they probably saw one posting and did not realise there was a war on.
Flamage: Flaming verbiage; the collective noun of flaming. High-noise, low-signal postings to USENET or other electronic fora. Often in the phrase 'the usual flamage'.
Flame bait: A posting intended to trigger a flame war, or one that unintentionally invites flames in reply; sent by the Detonator
The Flame Master: there's always a couple of people at the centre of the war; one of these may be a Flame Master. Usually self-selected as the owner of the 'moral high ground', the Flame Master has survived previous campaigns and even enjoys it. The Flame Master leads the attacks and carries the thread forward.
Flame War: a barrage of postings in response to one poor sap who spoke out of turn. Traditionally, this takes place in a News Group - someone phrases something rather tactlessly, and instead of emailing the poor sap with a hint that the mistake should be acknowledged, everyone mails the whole group. Pretty stupid, really, as half the flames are simple insults, with no reference to the reason for it. Flame wars start because people press the reply button, instead of writing direct. Once started, the cause is often lost in the midst of insults, and loyalties change as insults get stronger and all inclusive.
Name Flame: A reply posting to a newsgroup which is fairly mild, but accidentally on purpose mis-spells, mistakes or otherwise misuses the original sender's name. Most readers will not notice; certainly won't care - but the person misnamed may well lose their cool totally. Surprisingly effective.
Spelling flame: A posting ostentatiously correcting a previous article's spelling as a way of casting scorn on the author, instead of actually responding to that point (see dictionary flame). Of course, people who are more than usually slovenly spellers are prone to think any correction is a spelling flame. Spelling flames often contain spelling errors. Go figure!
Troll: unlike the detonator, the Troll makes a career, of sorts, out of starting Flame Wars. Usually starting with an obvious dig, such as 'Gays should be castrated' on the gay groups, and similar mind-stetching analysis of the world. Someone will bite, leaving the Troll to fan the flames, then sit back and bask in the firelight.
The Troll is a sad little thing - usually a lonely teenager; it feeds off attention, any attention (let's face it, it cannot afford to be fussy). With thousands of newsgroups available, the Troll will soon move on if there is a poor response - ignore it, and it will go away. Guaranteed. If you have to respond, perhaps to warn others in the group, do it by talking about the troll, never to it. See Trollshifting
Two-center: someone who really has little or nothing to add, but gets a vicarious thrill from participating; they tend to repeat what has already been said, or drop in a pithy bit of homespun wisdom. The internet equivalent of someone getting a crafty kick at the thug - after some else has knocked him out. Always ends with "Just my two cents worth". The Meek may well inherit the Earth - but not if they make a career out of it!
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The Twelve
Commandments
of Flaming
1 Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly."
"Clearly, Brian Hillis is a racist, and a dirtball to boot."
2 Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Peach Pshawski, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of ... "
3 Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From OPINION to EZ-READER to PETS to CHIT-CHAT, they're all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere.
4 Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't possibly be that you're a ******. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it.
5 Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Commandment #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Didley has libelled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Didley."
6 Force them to document their claims: Even if Ralph Gagliano states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Ralph's pasta preferences, then Ralph's obviously lying.
7 Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "vini, vidi, vici," "fetuccini alfredo,"...
8 Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic.'"
9 Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your inalienable right to post whatever the hell you want to the net. Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to alt.fan.karl-malden.nose is either a communist, a fascist, or both.
10 Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, they do not exist! This is the beauty of flamers' logic.
11 Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up.
12 When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer, you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with ... "
vähän kertausta aiheesta trollaus ja trollaantuminen, sekä kuinka menetellä trollien suhteen:
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Trollaus ja trollaantuminen
Kirjoitusta, jonka on tarkoitus aiheuttaa fleimejä, sanotaan trolliksi. Suomenkieliseksi vastineeksi on ehdotettu sanaa "vedätys". Yleensä trollaaja esittää jostakin kuumasta, kiistanalaisesta aiheesta äärimmäisen mielipiteen esittäen sen vastustajien kantaa halventaen, positiivisia argumentteja esittämättä. Usein trolli on tarkoituksellisen naiivi ja sisältää niin monta väärinkäsitystä tai vääristelyä, että liki jokaisen tekisi mieli oikaista edes osa - ja jos oikaisemiseen rupeaa, siitäpä tuleekin vuodatus. Trollaus voidaan pukea myös kysymyksen muotoon. Esimerkkinä voisi olla vaikkapa se, että joku kirjoittaa sci.lang-ryhmään kysymyksen muotoon puetun pyynnön kertoa, miksi englannin kieli on maailman kehittynein kieli; trollaavuutta korostaa, että ryhmän fakissa on selostus sellaisen kysymyksenasettelun harhaisuudesta. Esimerkein havainnollistettu kuvaus trollauksesta on artikkelissa Usenet fish tales -- how to avoid being trolled.
Käytännössä trollausta voi olla äärimmäisen vaikea erottaa pelkästä syvästä tietämättömyydestä tai tyhmyydestä, joskin säännölliset trollaajat yleensä oppii tunnistamaan. Toisaalta se ei ole yleensä tarpeenkaan, koska kummassakin tapauksessa on yleensä fiksuinta olla välittämättä koko jutusta. Varo joutumasta koukkuun, "trollaantumasta". Enintään voi joskus julkisesti varoittaa muita trollaajiksi tietämistään kirjoittelijoista; ks. dokumentin Guide to Flaming kohtaa Trollshifting. Ei pidä provosoitua, vaikka provosoidaan. Ks. myös alt.troll FAQ ja alt.syntax.tactical FAQ.
Alkujaan englannin sanaa troll ruvettiin käyttämään sen uistelemista tarkoittavan merkityksen pohjalta nyysislangissa viittaamaan kirjoitukseen, joka "kalastelee" fleimejä, tai tällaiseen kalasteluun toimintana. Ajatuksena oli, että trollaaja yrittää saada ihmisiä koukkuun eli kirjoittamaan kiivaita vastineita. Myöhemmin sana sekaantui skandinaavisperäiseen substantiiviin troll (vrt. sanaan trulli), ja ja nykyisin troll voi tarkoittaa myös ihmistä, joka trollaa.
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Sitten vielä parempia määritelmiä (englanniksi):
http://www.advicemeant.com/flame/10define.shtml
Damp Squib: the Flame Master needs a focus for the attacks, and the Damp Squib is that person. Often, the Damp Squib was the poor sap who started the whole thing - but the Flame Master may choose not to tangle with the Detonator, and so selects someone else. Not quite an innocent bystander, the Damp Squib may have self-selected by butting in as a two-center or firefighting.
The Detonator: intentionally or not, the detonator started it. Often by mistake, but sometimes as a calculated act of revenge for a previous encounter, the Detonator makes a comment that is 'inappropriate'. If you are in a group for any length of time, you can see flamebait coming - and you can often tell if its deliberate or not.
Dictionary flame: An attempt to sidetrack a debate by insisting on meanings for key terms that presuppose a desired conclusion or smuggle in an implicit premise. A common tactic of people who prefer semantic argument to reality. Compare spelling flame
Firefighter: The Firefighter is the one who tries to cool the debate with the introduction of sweet reason. Doomed to failure, because the flame war is essentially a private campaign in a public place - the Firefighters cannot hope to influence anyone, and half the time they probably saw one posting and did not realise there was a war on.
Flamage: Flaming verbiage; the collective noun of flaming. High-noise, low-signal postings to USENET or other electronic fora. Often in the phrase 'the usual flamage'.
Flame bait: A posting intended to trigger a flame war, or one that unintentionally invites flames in reply; sent by the Detonator
The Flame Master: there's always a couple of people at the centre of the war; one of these may be a Flame Master. Usually self-selected as the owner of the 'moral high ground', the Flame Master has survived previous campaigns and even enjoys it. The Flame Master leads the attacks and carries the thread forward.
Flame War: a barrage of postings in response to one poor sap who spoke out of turn. Traditionally, this takes place in a News Group - someone phrases something rather tactlessly, and instead of emailing the poor sap with a hint that the mistake should be acknowledged, everyone mails the whole group. Pretty stupid, really, as half the flames are simple insults, with no reference to the reason for it. Flame wars start because people press the reply button, instead of writing direct. Once started, the cause is often lost in the midst of insults, and loyalties change as insults get stronger and all inclusive.
Name Flame: A reply posting to a newsgroup which is fairly mild, but accidentally on purpose mis-spells, mistakes or otherwise misuses the original sender's name. Most readers will not notice; certainly won't care - but the person misnamed may well lose their cool totally. Surprisingly effective.
Spelling flame: A posting ostentatiously correcting a previous article's spelling as a way of casting scorn on the author, instead of actually responding to that point (see dictionary flame). Of course, people who are more than usually slovenly spellers are prone to think any correction is a spelling flame. Spelling flames often contain spelling errors. Go figure!
Troll: unlike the detonator, the Troll makes a career, of sorts, out of starting Flame Wars. Usually starting with an obvious dig, such as 'Gays should be castrated' on the gay groups, and similar mind-stetching analysis of the world. Someone will bite, leaving the Troll to fan the flames, then sit back and bask in the firelight.
The Troll is a sad little thing - usually a lonely teenager; it feeds off attention, any attention (let's face it, it cannot afford to be fussy). With thousands of newsgroups available, the Troll will soon move on if there is a poor response - ignore it, and it will go away. Guaranteed. If you have to respond, perhaps to warn others in the group, do it by talking about the troll, never to it. See Trollshifting
Two-center: someone who really has little or nothing to add, but gets a vicarious thrill from participating; they tend to repeat what has already been said, or drop in a pithy bit of homespun wisdom. The internet equivalent of someone getting a crafty kick at the thug - after some else has knocked him out. Always ends with "Just my two cents worth". The Meek may well inherit the Earth - but not if they make a career out of it!
---
The Twelve
Commandments
of Flaming
1 Make things up about your opponent: It's important to make your lies sound true. Preface your argument with the word "clearly."
"Clearly, Brian Hillis is a racist, and a dirtball to boot."
2 Be an armchair psychologist: You're a smart person. You've heard of Freud. You took a psychology course in college. Clearly, you're qualified to psychoanalyze your opponent. "Peach Pshawski, by using the word 'zucchini' in her posting, shows she has a bad case of ... "
3 Cross-post your flames: Everyone on the net is just waiting for the next literary masterpiece to leave your terminal. From OPINION to EZ-READER to PETS to CHIT-CHAT, they're all holding their breaths until your next flame. Therefore, post everywhere.
4 Conspiracies abound: If everyone's against you, the reason can't possibly be that you're a ******. There's obviously a conspiracy against you, and you will be doing the entire net a favor by exposing it.
5 Lawsuit threats: This is the reverse of Commandment #4 (sort of like the Yin & Yang of flaming). Threatening a lawsuit is always considered to be in good form. "By saying that I've posted to the wrong group, Didley has libelled me, slandered me, and sodomized me. See you in court, Didley."
6 Force them to document their claims: Even if Ralph Gagliano states outright that he likes tomato sauce on his pasta, you should demand documentation. If Newsweek hasn't written an article on Ralph's pasta preferences, then Ralph's obviously lying.
7 Use foreign phrases: French is good, but Latin is the lingua franca of flaming. You should use the words "ad hominem" at least three times per article. Other favorite Latin phrases are "ad nauseum," "vini, vidi, vici," "fetuccini alfredo,"...
8 Tell 'em how smart you are: Why use intelligent arguments to convince them you're smart when all you have to do is tell them? State that you're a member of Mensa or Mega or Dorks of America. Tell them the scores you received on every exam since high school. "I got an 800 on my SATs, LSATs, GREs, MCATs, and I can also spell the word 'premeiotic.'"
9 Accuse your opponent of censorship. It is your inalienable right to post whatever the hell you want to the net. Anyone who tries to limit your cross-posting or move a flame war to alt.fan.karl-malden.nose is either a communist, a fascist, or both.
10 Doubt their existence: You've never actually seen your opponent, have you? And since you're the center of the universe, you should have seen them by now, shouldn't you? Therefore, they do not exist! This is the beauty of flamers' logic.
11 Lie, cheat, steal, leave the toilet seat up.
12 When in doubt, insult: If you forget the other 11 rules, remember this one. At some point during your wonderful career as a flamer, you will undoubtedly end up in a flame war with someone who is better than you. This person will expose your lies, tear apart your arguments, make you look generally like a bozo. At this point, there's only one thing to do: insult the dirtbag!!! "Oh yeah? Well, your mother does strange things with ... "
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Vanhimmat
Ei saatana ku chat vie jo puolet elämästä :)
olla pelko perseessä, kun tollasen vuodatuksen kirjoittaa...onko sinulla harhakuvitelmia tai -luuloja? Käväisepä mielenterveystoimistossa.
Mikä on trulli (johonka sanaan piti verrata)?
Miksi ei saa mennä vastaamaan kyseisiin kirjoituksiin?