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FBI Crime Classification Manual
CASE STUDY: SADISTIC MURDER (134)
[note: John Douglas prepared actor Scott Glenn for the role of Jack Crawford in The Silence of The Lambs by playing portions of audio tapes recorded by Bittaker and Norris during their killings.]
Background
During the last year of his incarceration at California Men's Colony at San Luis Obispo, Roy Lewis Norris met Lawrence Sigmund Bittaker. Both inmates had an extensive criminal history that involved a substantial amount of violent activity. As the relationship developed, the two discovered a topic of mutual interest: dominating, torturing and raping women. They also shared the attitude that with any future sexual assaults on women, they would leave no witnesses.
Bittaker was released in November 1978 and Norris in January 1979. After their reunion, the duo decided to perpetrate their prison ambitions. The first thing they needed was the proper vehicle to ensure uncomplicated abductions. Bittaker found a 1977 silver General Motors cargo van with a sliding door and no windows on the side, perfect for grabbing their victims with minimal fuss. Bittaker and Norris felt well prepared after spending the first half of 1979 outfitting the van with a twin-size mattress supported by wood and plywood, tool, clothes, and a cooler. They also had carefully selected a remote area in the San Gabriel Mountains above the city of Glendora, California. They found a gated fire road that Bittaker secured with his own lock, added insurance that they would be left undisturbed. In addition, they had picked up more than twenty hitchhikers, not attacking any of them, but simply rehearsing for the right day.
The right day came on 24 June 1979 and at least four other times between June and 31 October 1979. During that time period, Bittaker and Norris were responsible for at least five murders.
Victimology
Lucinda Schaeffer, age sixteen, lived with her grandmother in Torrance, California. She was an attractive teenager who was active in her church, including the senior-high fellowship group. On 24 June 1979 she attended a fellowship meeting at St. Andrew's Presbyterian church in Redondo Beach. She decided to leave early and walked home along the Pacific coast highway instead of calling her grandmother for a ride.
Bittaker spotted her. The van pulled alongside her, and Norris asked her if she wanted to go for a ride and smoke some marijuana. She refused and kept on walking, with Norris and Bittaker following at a distance. When they reached a residential area with little traffic, the two men made their move. Bittaker pulled up ahead of her, stopping the van in front of a driveway while Norris waited on the sidewalk as Schaeffer approached.
When she reached him, she exchanged a few words with him. Norris then grabbed her and dragged her to the van, threw her inside, and slammed the door. The van squealed away, and Bittaker turned the radio up to mask Cindy Schaeffer's screams. Norris taped her mouth and bound her hands and feet as they drove to the fire road.
Once they arrived, Bittaker and Norris smoked some marijuana while asking Schaeffer questions about her family and boyfriend in Wisconsin. After they became bored with that, Bittaker took a walk while Norris raped her and forced her to perform fellatio. When Bittaker returned, he continued the sexual assault until Norris came back for more.
After they were done, Norris attempted to strangle Schaeffer but lost his nerve when he saw the anguished look in her eyes. Bittaker took over until Schaeffer collapsed on the ground convulsing and attempting to breathe. Bittaker remarked that it took more to strangle someone than shown on TV; the two men then tightened a coat hanger around her neck with a pair of vise-grip pliers until she was finally still. They wrapped her body with a blue shower curtain so the blood from the hanger cutting into her neck would not get on the van's carpet and dumped her body over the side of a deep canyon.
On 8 July Bittaker and Norris again were stalking victims on the Pacific Coast Highway when they spotted Andrea Joy Hall, age eighteen, hitchhiking. The first attempt to pick her up was unsuccessful because she got into a white convertible, but thinking she would get out sooner of later, they followed her. Around the noon, she was let out of the convertible and then picked up by Bittaker while Norris hid under the bed. At Bittaker's urging, Hall obtained a drink from the cooler in the back of the van, at which point Norris made his move to subdue her. Hall's assault followed much like Schaeffer's, with the exception that she was photographed, providing souvenirs for her killers to recall the look of terror on her face. At this point, Bittaker and Norris were becoming comfortable enough with their crime to experiment with torturing their victims, verbally and physically. Hall had an ice pick jabbed into her brain, first through one ear, then the other. She was then strangled and thrown over the cliff.
The next two victims were Jackie Doris Gilliam, age fifteen and Jacqueline Leah Lamp, age thirteen. The girls had been walking and hitchhiking casually along the road and had stopped for a rest at a buss-stop bench when the van pulled up beside them. They entered the van voluntarily, but became uneasy when it turned away from the beach and headed for the mountains. As lamp attempted to open the van door, Norris struck her over the head with a bat. Bittaker stopped to help Norris subdue the two girls and then headed to San Dimas, California.
Gilliam and Lamp were held for nearly forty-eight hours before they were murdered. Both were tortured, and Norris took approximately twenty-four Polaroid photographs of Gilliam and Bittaker engaged in various sexual acts. She was then stabbed through the ear with an ice pick, manually strangled, and finally struck on the head with a sledgehammer. Norris claims that Lamp was not sexually assaulted. Before he savagely battered her head with a sledgehammer, Bittaker remarked, "You wanted to stay a virgin, now you can die a virgin.". With this torture session, as well with the next one, Bittaker and Norris decided to further preserve their exploits by using a tape recorder.
Shirley Lynette Ledford was last seen hitchhiking on 31 October 1979 around 10:45 P.M. in Sun Valley, California. After Bittaker and Norris picked her up hitchhiking, they enacted the assault differently. Instead of heading for their spot in the mountains, they opted drive around the streets near San Fernando Valley as they tortured Ledford. She was struck on the elbows repeatedly with a 3-pound sledgehammer. Bittaker decided Ledford was not screaming enough to suit him, so he retrieved a pair of pliers and vice-grips from his toolbox and pinched her nipples and vagina with them. Ledford was also raped and sodomized. Her torment finally ended with a coat hanger tightened by the vice-grips around her neck.
Her nude body was dumped on the front lawn of a Sunland residence so the offenders could enjoy the reaction of the news media.
All the victims were targeted because they manifested some common characteristics that suited the preference of Bittaker and Norris. They all were white females, within a narrow age range, unknowns to the offenders and considered high-risk victims because they were hitchhiking or walking along the highway.
Crime Scene Indicators
The crime scenes of Bittaker and Norris typified organized sadistic murder: they were carefully planned offences that reflected overall control in conversation and of the victims themselves by the use of restraints. Bittaker derived enjoyment from engaging victims in conversation governed by him. He used the conversation as a means of torture in itself; making victims plead for their lives substantiated his sense of domination.
Their abductions were well planned, beginning with the customizing the offenders did on the van. The weapons, the tool of their assault, were never an issue until capture because the actual crime scene was within the van. At the abduction sites, the only evidence left behind was Schaeffer's shoe.
Bittaker and Norris transported the victims to remote sites that posed to no risk of interruption or discovery. This ensured the lengthy contact with the victims that was required to fulfill the fantasies and drives that fueled their acts of sadistic murder. Several bodies were transported to a different disposal site from the death scene. With Norris' help, investigators found the broken skeletal remains of Gilliam and Lamp scattered over an area hundreds of feet along the canyon floor. No trace of Schaeffer's or Hall's body was found due to the well-selected disposal sites.
The setting of Ledford's death and assault was still within the realm of the organized, controlled scene, despite the body being left in view with no effort to conceal it. Bittaker's craving for some recognition of his crime was his incentive for this change in MO. There was no staging involved with these homicides.
Forensic Finding
As described before, Lucinda Schaeffer's and Andrea Hall's remains were never found. Partial remains of Gilliam and Lamp, including their battered skulls, were found in the Glendora Mountains. Gilliam still had the ice pick inserted in her right ear.
Shirley Ledford's autopsy revealed death was due to strangulation with a wire ligature around her neck. There was a linear compression mark and soft tissue and petechial hemorrhage around her neck. There was evidence of multiple blunt-force trauma to the face, head and breasts. Her rectum, the lining inside her rectum, and her vagina had been torn, in part due to the insertion of a pair of pliers by Bittaker. There were bruises on her left elbow, a cut to the right index finger, and a puncture wound to the left hand. The wrists and ankles had ligature marks as well.
Investigation
Bittaker and Norris engaged in other crimes during this time period in addition to the sadistic murders. There were at least three separate incidents: an attempted rape, a rape kidnapping, and an assault with mace. Photos were found after Bittaker and Norris' arrests that were indicative of another victim, an unknown white female, who remains unidentified. One of the victims who was raped and released identified Bittaker and Norris as her assailants. Norris and Bittaker were arrested for charges other than the murder charges in the hope that one or both would fold under interrogation and confess. Norris eventually did, shifting the blame to Bittaker in an attempt to save himself. The motive for the brutal murders is perhaps best explained by Dr. Ronald Markman, a forensic psychiatrist who examined the offenders. He describes them as being sociopaths who know right from wrong but simply do not care. "They lack the internal prohibitions, or conscience, that keep most of us from giving full expression to our most primitive, and sometimes violent, impulses" (Markman, 1989,268). Dr. Markman stated that by their union Bittaker and Norris helped each other "fulfill their most savage, primitive potential as sociopaths" (Markman, 1989,268).
Outcome
Roy Norris pleaded guilty to four counts of first-decree murder, one count of second-degree murder, two counts of rape, and one count of robbery. He is scheduled to serve a minimum of thirty years. Lawrence Bittaker was found guilty of twenty-six counts of murder, rape, kidnapping, and torture on 17 February 1981. It took forty minutes just for the court clerk to read the verdicts. Bittaker received the death penalty.
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Crime Classification Manual : A Standard System for Investigating and Classifying Violent Crimes
by John E. Douglas
134. Sadistic murder
A sexual sadist is someone who has established "an enduring pattern of sexual arousal in response to sadistic imagery" (Dietz, Hazelwood & Warren, 1990, 165). Sexual gratification is obtained from torture involving excessive mental and physical means. The offender derives the greatest satisfaction from the victim's response to torture. Sexually sadistic fantasies in which sexual acts are pained with domination, degradation, and violence are translated into criminal action that results in death.
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Voices of death
Word-to-word statements from convicted killers
Michael Newton's SERIAL SLAUGHTER: WHAT'S BEHIND AMERICA'S MURDER EPIDEMIC?
"It doesn't bother me in the least. There are a hell of a lot worse things that can happen than to die in the gas chamber."
- Douglas Clark
"I kept hearing her talking to me and telling me to do things. And I couldn't do it. I had one voice that was trying to made me commit a suicide, and I wouldn't do it. I had another one telling me to do anything they told me to do. That's what got me in the hospital, was not doing what they told me to do."
- Henry Lee Lucas
"Every man has his passion. Some prefer whist. I prefer killing people."
- Rudolf Pleil
"If I gave a shit about the parents, I wouldn't have killed the kid."
- Clifford Olson
"He was a kid. It was all there in front of him, his whole life, sex, fun, all of it. Why should he have it when I never did? I took it all away from him. Besides, I never killed a kid before. I wanted to see how it felt."
- Stephen Nash
"I figure, well, if I ever get a change to kill somebody, I'll just kill them, even if it was just an old man."
- Joseph Danks
"I don't know why I do it. I get headaches, pass out and hear funny noises"
- Anthony Spencer
"In my lifetime I have murdered twenty-one human beings, I have committed thousands of burglaries, robberies, larcenies, arsons and last but not least I have committed sodomy on more than 1000 male human beings. For all these things I am not in the least bit sorry."
- Carl Panzram
"Hurry it up, you bastard. I could hang a dozen men while you're fooling around."
- Carl Panzram, to his executioner
"Even though this court may pronounce me guilty a thousand times, the higher court of our great Aryan warrior god pronounces me innocent. Heil Hitler!"
- Frank Spisak
"I want the chair. That's what I've always wanted. My lawyer told me there are a hundred men waiting to die in the chair. I'm asking the judge if I can have the first man's sweating. I'm ready for it."
- Mark Edwards
"You had better put me to death, because next time it might be one of you or your daughter."
- Steven Judy
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FBI Crime Classification Manual
CASE STUDY: SADISTIC MURDER (134)
[note: John Douglas prepared actor Scott Glenn for the role of Jack Crawford in The Silence of The Lambs by playing portions of audio tapes recorded by Bittaker and Norris during their killings.]
Background
During the last year of his incarceration at California Men's Colony at San Luis Obispo, Roy Lewis Norris met Lawrence Sigmund Bittaker. Both inmates had an extensive criminal history that involved a substantial amount of violent activity. As the relationship developed, the two discovered a topic of mutual interest: dominating, torturing and raping women. They also shared the attitude that with any future sexual assaults on women, they would leave no witnesses.
Bittaker was released in November 1978 and Norris in January 1979. After their reunion, the duo decided to perpetrate their prison ambitions. The first thing they needed was the proper vehicle to ensure uncomplicated abductions. Bittaker found a 1977 silver General Motors cargo van with a sliding door and no windows on the side, perfect for grabbing their victims with minimal fuss. Bittaker and Norris felt well prepared after spending the first half of 1979 outfitting the van with a twin-size mattress supported by wood and plywood, tool, clothes, and a cooler. They also had carefully selected a remote area in the San Gabriel Mountains above the city of Glendora, California. They found a gated fire road that Bittaker secured with his own lock, added insurance that they would be left undisturbed. In addition, they had picked up more than twenty hitchhikers, not attacking any of them, but simply rehearsing for the right day.
The right day came on 24 June 1979 and at least four other times between June and 31 October 1979. During that time period, Bittaker and Norris were responsible for at least five murders.
Victimology
Lucinda Schaeffer, age sixteen, lived with her grandmother in Torrance, California. She was an attractive teenager who was active in her church, including the senior-high fellowship group. On 24 June 1979 she attended a fellowship meeting at St. Andrew's Presbyterian church in Redondo Beach. She decided to leave early and walked home along the Pacific coast highway instead of calling her grandmother for a ride.
Bittaker spotted her. The van pulled alongside her, and Norris asked her if she wanted to go for a ride and smoke some marijuana. She refused and kept on walking, with Norris and Bittaker following at a distance. When they reached a residential area with little traffic, the two men made their move. Bittaker pulled up ahead of her, stopping the van in front of a driveway while Norris waited on the sidewalk as Schaeffer approached.
When she reached him, she exchanged a few words with him. Norris then grabbed her and dragged her to the van, threw her inside, and slammed the door. The van squealed away, and Bittaker turned the radio up to mask Cindy Schaeffer's screams. Norris taped her mouth and bound her hands and feet as they drove to the fire road.
Once they arrived, Bittaker and Norris smoked some marijuana while asking Schaeffer questions about her family and boyfriend in Wisconsin. After they became bored with that, Bittaker took a walk while Norris raped her and forced her to perform fellatio. When Bittaker returned, he continued the sexual assault until Norris came back for more.
After they were done, Norris attempted to strangle Schaeffer but lost his nerve when he saw the anguished look in her eyes. Bittaker took over until Schaeffer collapsed on the ground convulsing and attempting to breathe. Bittaker remarked that it took more to strangle someone than shown on TV; the two men then tightened a coat hanger around her neck with a pair of vise-grip pliers until she was finally still. They wrapped her body with a blue shower curtain so the blood from the hanger cutting into her neck would not get on the van's carpet and dumped her body over the side of a deep canyon.
On 8 July Bittaker and Norris again were stalking victims on the Pacific Coast Highway when they spotted Andrea Joy Hall, age eighteen, hitchhiking. The first attempt to pick her up was unsuccessful because she got into a white convertible, but thinking she would get out sooner of later, they followed her. Around the noon, she was let out of the convertible and then picked up by Bittaker while Norris hid under the bed. At Bittaker's urging, Hall obtained a drink from the cooler in the back of the van, at which point Norris made his move to subdue her. Hall's assault followed much like Schaeffer's, with the exception that she was photographed, providing souvenirs for her killers to recall the look of terror on her face. At this point, Bittaker and Norris were becoming comfortable enough with their crime to experiment with torturing their victims, verbally and physically. Hall had an ice pick jabbed into her brain, first through one ear, then the other. She was then strangled and thrown over the cliff.
The next two victims were Jackie Doris Gilliam, age fifteen and Jacqueline Leah Lamp, age thirteen. The girls had been walking and hitchhiking casually along the road and had stopped for a rest at a buss-stop bench when the van pulled up beside them. They entered the van voluntarily, but became uneasy when it turned away from the beach and headed for the mountains. As lamp attempted to open the van door, Norris struck her over the head with a bat. Bittaker stopped to help Norris subdue the two girls and then headed to San Dimas, California.
Gilliam and Lamp were held for nearly forty-eight hours before they were murdered. Both were tortured, and Norris took approximately twenty-four Polaroid photographs of Gilliam and Bittaker engaged in various sexual acts. She was then stabbed through the ear with an ice pick, manually strangled, and finally struck on the head with a sledgehammer. Norris claims that Lamp was not sexually assaulted. Before he savagely battered her head with a sledgehammer, Bittaker remarked, "You wanted to stay a virgin, now you can die a virgin.". With this torture session, as well with the next one, Bittaker and Norris decided to further preserve their exploits by using a tape recorder.
Shirley Lynette Ledford was last seen hitchhiking on 31 October 1979 around 10:45 P.M. in Sun Valley, California. After Bittaker and Norris picked her up hitchhiking, they enacted the assault differently. Instead of heading for their spot in the mountains, they opted drive around the streets near San Fernando Valley as they tortured Ledford. She was struck on the elbows repeatedly with a 3-pound sledgehammer. Bittaker decided Ledford was not screaming enough to suit him, so he retrieved a pair of pliers and vice-grips from his toolbox and pinched her nipples and vagina with them. Ledford was also raped and sodomized. Her torment finally ended with a coat hanger tightened by the vice-grips around her neck.
Her nude body was dumped on the front lawn of a Sunland residence so the offenders could enjoy the reaction of the news media.
All the victims were targeted because they manifested some common characteristics that suited the preference of Bittaker and Norris. They all were white females, within a narrow age range, unknowns to the offenders and considered high-risk victims because they were hitchhiking or walking along the highway.
Crime Scene Indicators
The crime scenes of Bittaker and Norris typified organized sadistic murder: they were carefully planned offences that reflected overall control in conversation and of the victims themselves by the use of restraints. Bittaker derived enjoyment from engaging victims in conversation governed by him. He used the conversation as a means of torture in itself; making victims plead for their lives substantiated his sense of domination.
Their abductions were well planned, beginning with the customizing the offenders did on the van. The weapons, the tool of their assault, were never an issue until capture because the actual crime scene was within the van. At the abduction sites, the only evidence left behind was Schaeffer's shoe.
Bittaker and Norris transported the victims to remote sites that posed to no risk of interruption or discovery. This ensured the lengthy contact with the victims that was required to fulfill the fantasies and drives that fueled their acts of sadistic murder. Several bodies were transported to a different disposal site from the death scene. With Norris' help, investigators found the broken skeletal remains of Gilliam and Lamp scattered over an area hundreds of feet along the canyon floor. No trace of Schaeffer's or Hall's body was found due to the well-selected disposal sites.
The setting of Ledford's death and assault was still within the realm of the organized, controlled scene, despite the body being left in view with no effort to conceal it. Bittaker's craving for some recognition of his crime was his incentive for this change in MO. There was no staging involved with these homicides.
Forensic Finding
As described before, Lucinda Schaeffer's and Andrea Hall's remains were never found. Partial remains of Gilliam and Lamp, including their battered skulls, were found in the Glendora Mountains. Gilliam still had the ice pick inserted in her right ear.
Shirley Ledford's autopsy revealed death was due to strangulation with a wire ligature around her neck. There was a linear compression mark and soft tissue and petechial hemorrhage around her neck. There was evidence of multiple blunt-force trauma to the face, head and breasts. Her rectum, the lining inside her rectum, and her vagina had been torn, in part due to the insertion of a pair of pliers by Bittaker. There were bruises on her left elbow, a cut to the right index finger, and a puncture wound to the left hand. The wrists and ankles had ligature marks as well.
Investigation
Bittaker and Norris engaged in other crimes during this time period in addition to the sadistic murders. There were at least three separate incidents: an attempted rape, a rape kidnapping, and an assault with mace. Photos were found after Bittaker and Norris' arrests that were indicative of another victim, an unknown white female, who remains unidentified. One of the victims who was raped and released identified Bittaker and Norris as her assailants. Norris and Bittaker were arrested for charges other than the murder charges in the hope that one or both would fold under interrogation and confess. Norris eventually did, shifting the blame to Bittaker in an attempt to save himself. The motive for the brutal murders is perhaps best explained by Dr. Ronald Markman, a forensic psychiatrist who examined the offenders. He describes them as being sociopaths who know right from wrong but simply do not care. "They lack the internal prohibitions, or conscience, that keep most of us from giving full expression to our most primitive, and sometimes violent, impulses" (Markman, 1989,268). Dr. Markman stated that by their union Bittaker and Norris helped each other "fulfill their most savage, primitive potential as sociopaths" (Markman, 1989,268).
Outcome
Roy Norris pleaded guilty to four counts of first-decree murder, one count of second-degree murder, two counts of rape, and one count of robbery. He is scheduled to serve a minimum of thirty years. Lawrence Bittaker was found guilty of twenty-six counts of murder, rape, kidnapping, and torture on 17 February 1981. It took forty minutes just for the court clerk to read the verdicts. Bittaker received the death penalty.
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Crime Classification Manual : A Standard System for Investigating and Classifying Violent Crimes
by John E. Douglas
134. Sadistic murder
A sexual sadist is someone who has established "an enduring pattern of sexual arousal in response to sadistic imagery" (Dietz, Hazelwood & Warren, 1990, 165). Sexual gratification is obtained from torture involving excessive mental and physical means. The offender derives the greatest satisfaction from the victim's response to torture. Sexually sadistic fantasies in which sexual acts are pained with domination, degradation, and violence are translated into criminal action that results in death.
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Voices of death
Word-to-word statements from convicted killers
Michael Newton's SERIAL SLAUGHTER: WHAT'S BEHIND AMERICA'S MURDER EPIDEMIC?
"It doesn't bother me in the least. There are a hell of a lot worse things that can happen than to die in the gas chamber."
- Douglas Clark
"I kept hearing her talking to me and telling me to do things. And I couldn't do it. I had one voice that was trying to made me commit a suicide, and I wouldn't do it. I had another one telling me to do anything they told me to do. That's what got me in the hospital, was not doing what they told me to do."
- Henry Lee Lucas
"Every man has his passion. Some prefer whist. I prefer killing people."
- Rudolf Pleil
"If I gave a shit about the parents, I wouldn't have killed the kid."
- Clifford Olson
"He was a kid. It was all there in front of him, his whole life, sex, fun, all of it. Why should he have it when I never did? I took it all away from him. Besides, I never killed a kid before. I wanted to see how it felt."
- Stephen Nash
"I figure, well, if I ever get a change to kill somebody, I'll just kill them, even if it was just an old man."
- Joseph Danks
"I don't know why I do it. I get headaches, pass out and hear funny noises"
- Anthony Spencer
"In my lifetime I have murdered twenty-one human beings, I have committed thousands of burglaries, robberies, larcenies, arsons and last but not least I have committed sodomy on more than 1000 male human beings. For all these things I am not in the least bit sorry."
- Carl Panzram
"Hurry it up, you bastard. I could hang a dozen men while you're fooling around."
- Carl Panzram, to his executioner
"Even though this court may pronounce me guilty a thousand times, the higher court of our great Aryan warrior god pronounces me innocent. Heil Hitler!"
- Frank Spisak
"I want the chair. That's what I've always wanted. My lawyer told me there are a hundred men waiting to die in the chair. I'm asking the judge if I can have the first man's sweating. I'm ready for it."
- Mark Edwards
"You had better put me to death, because next time it might be one of you or your daughter."
- Steven Judy
Vastaukset 9
Vanhimmat
>Miksi Jumala ei _voi_ tietää kaikkea eikä säätää kaikkea tarkalleen etukäteen?
Usko mitä lystäät, mutta Raamatun ja Koraanin mukaan Jumala tietää kaiken.
>Usko mitä lystäät, mutta Raamatun ja Koraanin mukaan Jumala tietää kaiken.
(jos nyt yleensä edes luit tuota autenttista kuvausta sadistisista murhaajista)
...tietää, voitko uskoa, että sinun herrasi on pistänyt nuo miehet tekemään noille naisille nuo teot. Vaikuttiko teksti sinuun mitenkään, tuliko sinulle sääli tyttöjä kohtaan? Tuntuuko sinusta pahalta uskoa, että herrasi _tahtoi_ julmien miesten kiduttavan 13- ja 15-vuotiaita tyttöjä 48 tuntia haisevassa pakettiautossa jossain metsässä kaukana äidin ja isän turvasta?
Kaikkitietävä, Kaikkivaltias, kaikki ovat muslimeja. Kaikki kuuluu Allahille. Minäkin kirjoitin tämän, koska Allah niin tahtoi, mutta tämä kirjoitus ei kuulu palstalle ja on off topic???
>Vaikuttiko teksti sinuun mitenkään, tuliko sinulle sääli tyttöjä kohtaan?
Varmaan olisi vaikuttanut jos olisin lukenut, mutta miten kyseinen tapahtuma vaikuttaa sinun tai minun elämään?
>Varmaan olisi vaikuttanut jos olisin lukenut, mutta miten kyseinen tapahtuma vaikuttaa sinun tai minun elämään? <
Eli tapahtukoon kenelle tahansa mitä tahansa, et välitä koska se ei suoranaisesti vaikuta SINUN elämääsi?
Tähän on hyvä lopettaa, joskus luulin, että sinussakin olisi pisara inhimillisyyttä, mutta en luule enää.
Ja toisin kuin eräät, en ainakaan sinulle enää kommentoi(joskus suutuspäissäni aikaisemmin sanoin niin, tiedetään, mutta tämä ei ole pyhä lupaus vaan tosiasia)
>Eli tapahtukoon kenelle tahansa mitä tahansa, et välitä koska se ei suoranaisesti vaikuta SINUN elämääsi?
Kuka sanoi, ettei vaikuta?
>Tähän on hyvä lopettaa, joskus luulin, että sinussakin olisi pisara inhimillisyyttä, mutta en luule enää.
Onkin hyvä että lopetat, koska et tullut oppimaan, vaan tulit syyttämään, kuten yllä kävi ilmi.
>Ja toisin kuin eräät, en ainakaan sinulle enää kommentoi(joskus suutuspäissäni aikaisemmin sanoin niin, tiedetään, mutta tämä ei ole pyhä lupaus vaan tosiasia)
No sekin on helpotus.
meni yhteesä 6 tuntia aikaa siirtäessäni tämän jutun tänne. Jouduin kirjoittamaan sen ensin käsin ja sitten puhtaaksi koneelle. Voi turhuuksien turhuus. Totuus on monille liian vaikea pala kohdattavaksi silmästä silmään.
>mutta tämä ei ole pyhä lupaus vaan tosiasia
Onneksi se oli vain "pyhä"- eikä "Pyhä"-lupaus, mutta olihan se kuitenkin lupaus mikä lupaus, jonka minä petin. Pyydän anteeksi kaikilta ja Jumalalta ja poistun takavasemmalle vähin äänin.
Moi.
sanottu.
Minulle kyseessä oli selvä kysymys, mutta pahansuoville syyttelijöille, jotka ovat Islamin valmiiksi tuominneet, kysymys tuntuu retoriselta.
Miten se vaikuttaa sinun ja minun elämään, että tällaista tapahtuu? Minun elämääni se vaikuttaa niin, että se motivoi minua vastustamaan yhteiskuntaa, jossa moninkertainen raiskaaja ja murhaaja päästetään takaisin kadulle.
En tiedä, miten ne X-kafirin elämään vaikuttavat, mutta ei hyvältä näytä.