Jumalan olemassaolo islamin mukaan

3-Transition Zone:

The depth of the transition zone is between 410 km and 660 km. The rock here is mostly peridotite, a coarse grained igneous rock, kept from melting by extremely high lithostatic pressures. Temperatures in the transition zone range from 1400 degrees C to 1600 degrees C.

4-The Lower Mantle:

The depth of the lower mantle ranges from 670 km to 2798 km. Little is known about the lower mantle other than that seismic waves indicate it is fairly homogenous in lithology.

5-D'':

The D'' area of the mantle extends from 2798 km to 2900 km, which is the boundary between the mantle and the liquid outer core. At this level, the pressures are enormous, roughly equal to 1.4 million units of atmospheric pressure, and temperatures are over 4,000 degrees C.

6-The Outer Core:

The outer core lies at a depth from 2900 km to 5150 km. It's composed of liquid iron and nickel along with small amounts of lighter elements, with temperatures ranging from 4,000 degrees C to 6,100 degrees C near the boundary with the inner core.


7-The Inner Core:

From the boundary with the outer core to the center of the Earth, a distance of about 1220 km is the solid sphere of the inner core, a ball of incredibly hot iron-nickel alloy. Temperatures here reach between 5,000 and 7,000 degrees C, and pressures are calculated to be around 3,000,000 units of atmospheric pressure. Despite the high temperature, at these pressures the metals cannot remain molten.

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

3-Transition Zone:

The depth of the transition zone is between 410 km and 660 km. The rock here is mostly peridotite, a coarse grained igneous rock, kept from melting by extremely high lithostatic pressures. Temperatures in the transition zone range from 1400 degrees C to 1600 degrees C.

4-The Lower Mantle:

The depth of the lower mantle ranges from 670 km to 2798 km. Little is known about the lower mantle other than that seismic waves indicate it is fairly homogenous in lithology.

5-D'':

The D'' area of the mantle extends from 2798 km to 2900 km, which is the boundary between the mantle and the liquid outer core. At this level, the pressures are enormous, roughly equal to 1.4 million units of atmospheric pressure, and temperatures are over 4,000 degrees C.

6-The Outer Core:

The outer core lies at a depth from 2900 km to 5150 km. It's composed of liquid iron and nickel along with small amounts of lighter elements, with temperatures ranging from 4,000 degrees C to 6,100 degrees C near the boundary with the inner core.


7-The Inner Core:

From the boundary with the outer core to the center of the Earth, a distance of about 1220 km is the solid sphere of the inner core, a ball of incredibly hot iron-nickel alloy. Temperatures here reach between 5,000 and 7,000 degrees C, and pressures are calculated to be around 3,000,000 units of atmospheric pressure. Despite the high temperature, at these pressures the metals cannot remain molten.

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-koraani kertoo että miltä tuntuu kun noustaan hyvin korkealle:

"Whomever GOD wills to guide, He renders his chest wide open to Submission. And whomever He wills to send astray, He renders his chest intolerant and tight, like one who climbs towards the sky. GOD thus places a curse upon those who refuse to believe. (The Noble Quran, 6:125)"

tuota ei voi perustella siten että ihmiset kävivät vuoristossa,sillä korkein vuori alueella sijaitsee jemenissä ja on vain n3667 m korkea:

"...mutta sitä voi käyttää vain lääkärin valvonnassa. Vuoristotautia voi torjua nousemalla vuoristossa kyllin hitaasti, peukalosääntönä on enintään 300 metrin nousu päivässä 3600 metrin jälkeen..."
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuoristotauti

-koraani puhuu siitä että ihminen on luotu "savesta" ja "vedestä",ja että kaikki elävät olennot ovat syntyneet vedestä:

God created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. God creates whatever He wills. God has power over all things" (Quran, 24:45)

mm.lukion biologian kirjani vahvistaa että elämä kehittyi syntyi ns.alkuliemestä ja että vesi on elämän a ja o

"Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (The Noble Quran, 23:12)"

"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; (The Noble Quran, 15:26)"

Two of the crucial components for the origin of life - genetic material and cell membranes - could have been introduced to one another by a lump of clay, new experiments have shown.

The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.

These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. "Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles," says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. "So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
Inherit, mutate, evolve

The genesis of genetic material and the emergence of cell structure are hot areas of research, but until now the two had not connected. The birth of genetic material was clearly crucial for life to take on its unique abilities to inherit, mutate and evolve.

And membranes were key to the physiology of cells because they protect their contents, concentrate chemicals to promote reactions and isolate successful genes from unsuccessful ones. "It's clear you really need both these elements to get evolution off the ground and running," says Szostak.

Research has already shown that some of building blocks for RNA-like molecules and membranes are spontaneously created by chemical reactions in outer space and in conditions that may have existed on the primordial Earth. But how these subunits were then assembled is still debated.

For RNA, one popular theory revolves around the unusual properties of montmorillonite clay. The negatively charged layers of its crystals create a sandwich of positive charge between them. This turns out to be a highly attractive environment for RNA subunits to concentrate and join together into long chains.
100-fold acceleration

Szostak wondered whether montmorillonite could also help the assembly of vesicles from simple fatty acid precursors. He remembers the day his colleagues Hanczyc and Fujikawa ran into his office to show him their first results: the clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation.

"It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.

His team also showed the clay could hold RNA and form vesicles at the same time. Fluorescently-labelled RNA attached to the clay ended up assembled into vesicles after the reaction. And the researchers were able to get these "protocells" to divide by forcing them through small holes. This caused them to split into smaller vesicles, with minimal loss of their contents.

Szostak admits that in a natural setting the vesicles would rarely be forced to divide in this way. So now his group is searching for different mixtures of membrane-forming molecules that might divide spontaneously when they reach a certain size.

Journal reference: Science (vol 302, p 618 )

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

-koraani kertoo että miltä tuntuu kun noustaan hyvin korkealle:

"Whomever GOD wills to guide, He renders his chest wide open to Submission. And whomever He wills to send astray, He renders his chest intolerant and tight, like one who climbs towards the sky. GOD thus places a curse upon those who refuse to believe. (The Noble Quran, 6:125)"

tuota ei voi perustella siten että ihmiset kävivät vuoristossa,sillä korkein vuori alueella sijaitsee jemenissä ja on vain n3667 m korkea:

"...mutta sitä voi käyttää vain lääkärin valvonnassa. Vuoristotautia voi torjua nousemalla vuoristossa kyllin hitaasti, peukalosääntönä on enintään 300 metrin nousu päivässä 3600 metrin jälkeen..."
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuoristotauti

-koraani puhuu siitä että ihminen on luotu "savesta" ja "vedestä",ja että kaikki elävät olennot ovat syntyneet vedestä:

God created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. God creates whatever He wills. God has power over all things" (Quran, 24:45)

mm.lukion biologian kirjani vahvistaa että elämä kehittyi syntyi ns.alkuliemestä ja että vesi on elämän a ja o

"Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (The Noble Quran, 23:12)"

"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; (The Noble Quran, 15:26)"

Two of the crucial components for the origin of life - genetic material and cell membranes - could have been introduced to one another by a lump of clay, new experiments have shown.

The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.

These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. "Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles," says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. "So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
Inherit, mutate, evolve

The genesis of genetic material and the emergence of cell structure are hot areas of research, but until now the two had not connected. The birth of genetic material was clearly crucial for life to take on its unique abilities to inherit, mutate and evolve.

And membranes were key to the physiology of cells because they protect their contents, concentrate chemicals to promote reactions and isolate successful genes from unsuccessful ones. "It's clear you really need both these elements to get evolution off the ground and running," says Szostak.

Research has already shown that some of building blocks for RNA-like molecules and membranes are spontaneously created by chemical reactions in outer space and in conditions that may have existed on the primordial Earth. But how these subunits were then assembled is still debated.

For RNA, one popular theory revolves around the unusual properties of montmorillonite clay. The negatively charged layers of its crystals create a sandwich of positive charge between them. This turns out to be a highly attractive environment for RNA subunits to concentrate and join together into long chains.
100-fold acceleration

Szostak wondered whether montmorillonite could also help the assembly of vesicles from simple fatty acid precursors. He remembers the day his colleagues Hanczyc and Fujikawa ran into his office to show him their first results: the clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation.

"It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.

His team also showed the clay could hold RNA and form vesicles at the same time. Fluorescently-labelled RNA attached to the clay ended up assembled into vesicles after the reaction. And the researchers were able to get these "protocells" to divide by forcing them through small holes. This caused them to split into smaller vesicles, with minimal loss of their contents.

Szostak admits that in a natural setting the vesicles would rarely be forced to divide in this way. So now his group is searching for different mixtures of membrane-forming molecules that might divide spontaneously when they reach a certain size.

Journal reference: Science (vol 302, p 618 )

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-koraanin mukaan suolainen ja makea vesi eivät sekoitu

[025:053] It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

[055:019] He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:
[055:020] Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=16854

". A density boundary separates the layers at about 100 m depth."
"because it must pass over a shallow submarine barrier, the Camarinal Sill"

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/uft/uft2.htm

"atop the strong density boundary between the heavier, more saline bottom water flowing west and the lighter, fresher Atlantic water"

"Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A."

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

-koraanin mukaan suolainen ja makea vesi eivät sekoitu

[025:053] It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

[055:019] He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:
[055:020] Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=16854

". A density boundary separates the layers at about 100 m depth."
"because it must pass over a shallow submarine barrier, the Camarinal Sill"

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/uft/uft2.htm

"atop the strong density boundary between the heavier, more saline bottom water flowing west and the lighter, fresher Atlantic water"

"Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A."

Lue lisää

-koraani kertoo että kuolleenmeren alue on alin paikka maan päällä,lisäksi koraani ennusti roomalaisten voiton

roomalaiset olivat hävinneet persialle n.614-615

profeetta muhammad sai vuoden 620 paikkeilla koraanin ennustuksen,jonka mukaan roomalaiset hävisivät,
mutta olisivat vielä voitokkaita:

Alif, Lam, Mim. The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will be victorious within three to nine years. The affair is Allah's from beginning to end. (Qur'an, 30:1-4)

useissa koraanin käännöksissä tuo alin-kohta on käännetty lähimmässä maassa. kuitenkin tuo arabian kielen sana tarkoittaa kirjaimellisesti alinta paikkaa(adna al-ard).

tuo on myös eräs koraanin ihmeistä,sillä roomalaiset lyötiin juuri kuolleen meren alueella, mikä on todistetusti maailaman alavinta aluetta.
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuollutmeri

ja koraani puhuu että roomalaiset olisivat voitokkaita 3-9 vuoden kuluttua.

profeetta muhammad(saas) sai tuon ilmestyksen n 620 paikkeilla,mikä lähinnä huvitti pakanoita,sillä oli mahdotonta että hajoamispisteessä oleva valtio voisi kestää,saatikka kyetä vastahyökkäykseen,mikä olisi ollut tekninen mahdottomuus.

kuitenkin,kolmen vuoden päästä vuodesta 620 aloitti rooman keisari heracleios vastahyökkäyksensä.
vuoteen 624 hän oli edennyt persian sisä osiin,tuhoten zararhustran syntypaikan.tällä oli suuri psykologinen vaikutus zarathustralaiselle persian valtakunnalle.

n.vuonna 626 persia teki vastahyökkäyksen ja piiritti konstantinopolia.
kuitenkin roomalaiset saivat persialaisista torjuntavoiton.

lopulta n.vuonna 628 käytiin niniven taistelu,jossa roomalaiset löivät persian armeijan hajalle.
lopulta persian silloinen hallitsija,khosaru II syötiin vallasta ja hän joutui maanpakoon.

sota päättyi virallisesti vuonna 629 kesällä,kun persia ehdotti rauhaa roomalaisille.

sodan lopputulos oli se että persian armeija lyötiin hajalle,persian hallitsija oli maanpaossa ja
roomalaisilla oli suurempi alue hallussaan kuin ennen koko sotaa.

kuten koraani ennusti,olisivat roomalaiset voitokkaita 3-9 aikana

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

-koraani kertoo että kuolleenmeren alue on alin paikka maan päällä,lisäksi koraani ennusti roomalaisten voiton

roomalaiset olivat hävinneet persialle n.614-615

profeetta muhammad sai vuoden 620 paikkeilla koraanin ennustuksen,jonka mukaan roomalaiset hävisivät,
mutta olisivat vielä voitokkaita:

Alif, Lam, Mim. The Romans have been defeated in the lowest land, but after their defeat they will be victorious within three to nine years. The affair is Allah's from beginning to end. (Qur'an, 30:1-4)

useissa koraanin käännöksissä tuo alin-kohta on käännetty lähimmässä maassa. kuitenkin tuo arabian kielen sana tarkoittaa kirjaimellisesti alinta paikkaa(adna al-ard).

tuo on myös eräs koraanin ihmeistä,sillä roomalaiset lyötiin juuri kuolleen meren alueella, mikä on todistetusti maailaman alavinta aluetta.
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuollutmeri

ja koraani puhuu että roomalaiset olisivat voitokkaita 3-9 vuoden kuluttua.

profeetta muhammad(saas) sai tuon ilmestyksen n 620 paikkeilla,mikä lähinnä huvitti pakanoita,sillä oli mahdotonta että hajoamispisteessä oleva valtio voisi kestää,saatikka kyetä vastahyökkäykseen,mikä olisi ollut tekninen mahdottomuus.

kuitenkin,kolmen vuoden päästä vuodesta 620 aloitti rooman keisari heracleios vastahyökkäyksensä.
vuoteen 624 hän oli edennyt persian sisä osiin,tuhoten zararhustran syntypaikan.tällä oli suuri psykologinen vaikutus zarathustralaiselle persian valtakunnalle.

n.vuonna 626 persia teki vastahyökkäyksen ja piiritti konstantinopolia.
kuitenkin roomalaiset saivat persialaisista torjuntavoiton.

lopulta n.vuonna 628 käytiin niniven taistelu,jossa roomalaiset löivät persian armeijan hajalle.
lopulta persian silloinen hallitsija,khosaru II syötiin vallasta ja hän joutui maanpakoon.

sota päättyi virallisesti vuonna 629 kesällä,kun persia ehdotti rauhaa roomalaisille.

sodan lopputulos oli se että persian armeija lyötiin hajalle,persian hallitsija oli maanpaossa ja
roomalaisilla oli suurempi alue hallussaan kuin ennen koko sotaa.

kuten koraani ennusti,olisivat roomalaiset voitokkaita 3-9 aikana

Lue lisää

muhammad ennusti lisäksi monia asioita,jotka toteutuivat:

‘Umar reports in a narration recorded in Sahih al-Muslim:

‘Before the Battle of Badr started, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, walked around the battlefield and pointed to some locations, saying, Abu Jahl will be killed here, ‘Utba here, Shayba here, Walid here, and so on. By God, we found, after the battle, the dead bodies of all those men in the exact places that God’s Messenger had pointed out.’

-Bukhari, Muslim and Ahmad ibn Hanbal record:

During the construction of the Prophet’s Mosque in Madina, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, told ‘Ammar:

What a pity O ‘Ammar, a rebellious group will kill you.

‘Ammar was killed in the Battle of Siffin by the supporters of Mu‘awiya, who rebelled against Caliph ‘Ali.

-Before his death, the Messenger called his daughter Fatima to his bedside and informed her that she would be the first among his family to join him after his death. Fatima joined her father, the pride of mankind, six months later

-5. hän ennusti mongolit
The Hour will not come before you fight against a people with red faces, small, slant eyes and flat noses. They wear hairy leather boots.

mongolit tuhosivat bagdadin täysin n1200 jkr

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

muhammad ennusti lisäksi monia asioita,jotka toteutuivat:

‘Umar reports in a narration recorded in Sahih al-Muslim:

‘Before the Battle of Badr started, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, walked around the battlefield and pointed to some locations, saying, Abu Jahl will be killed here, ‘Utba here, Shayba here, Walid here, and so on. By God, we found, after the battle, the dead bodies of all those men in the exact places that God’s Messenger had pointed out.’

-Bukhari, Muslim and Ahmad ibn Hanbal record:

During the construction of the Prophet’s Mosque in Madina, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, told ‘Ammar:

What a pity O ‘Ammar, a rebellious group will kill you.

‘Ammar was killed in the Battle of Siffin by the supporters of Mu‘awiya, who rebelled against Caliph ‘Ali.

-Before his death, the Messenger called his daughter Fatima to his bedside and informed her that she would be the first among his family to join him after his death. Fatima joined her father, the pride of mankind, six months later

-5. hän ennusti mongolit
The Hour will not come before you fight against a people with red faces, small, slant eyes and flat noses. They wear hairy leather boots.

mongolit tuhosivat bagdadin täysin n1200 jkr

Lue lisää

-profeetta ennusti tarkasti hallitusmuodot ja 30 vuotisen kalifaatin(oikeaan johdettujen kalifien)

This affair began with Prophethood and as a mercy; then it will be mercy and Caliphate; afterwards it will change into a cruel monarchy, and finally into an iniquity and tyranny. He also prophesied: Surely, the Caliphate after me will last thirty years; afterwards it will a cruel monarchy.

-muslimit valtaisivat konstantinopolin

Surely, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be conquered (by my community); how blessed the commander who will conquer it, and how blessed his army.

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

-profeetta ennusti tarkasti hallitusmuodot ja 30 vuotisen kalifaatin(oikeaan johdettujen kalifien)

This affair began with Prophethood and as a mercy; then it will be mercy and Caliphate; afterwards it will change into a cruel monarchy, and finally into an iniquity and tyranny. He also prophesied: Surely, the Caliphate after me will last thirty years; afterwards it will a cruel monarchy.

-muslimit valtaisivat konstantinopolin

Surely, Constantinople (Istanbul) will be conquered (by my community); how blessed the commander who will conquer it, and how blessed his army.

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sinulla on totuus silmiesi edessä:mikään muu uskonto ei pysty todistamaan jumalan olemassaoloa.vain islam.ei ole mitenkään mahdollista että tavallinen,lukutaidoton paimen tietäisi edellämainitut asiat,jotka alkoivat selvitä vasta 1800-luvulta lähtien.koraani ei kuitenkaan ole tiedekirja,vaan uskonnollinen kirja.

vain jumala voi tietää nuo asiat,sillä hän on luoja.sinulle on todistettu jumalan olemassaolo,etkä voi kiistää hänen olemassaoloaan,kuten kristinuskon tai juutalaisuuden tms kohdalla voi.usko jumalan ennenkuin on liian myöhäistä.

usko yhteen,mahtavaan jumalaan ennenkuin tulee päivä jolloin katuminen on turhaa.

toista La Ilaha Illallah,Muhammad rasululllah
(ei ole muuta jumalaa kuin Jumala ja Muhammad on hänen lähettiläänsä)

peace out

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

muhammad ennusti lisäksi monia asioita,jotka toteutuivat:

‘Umar reports in a narration recorded in Sahih al-Muslim:

‘Before the Battle of Badr started, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, walked around the battlefield and pointed to some locations, saying, Abu Jahl will be killed here, ‘Utba here, Shayba here, Walid here, and so on. By God, we found, after the battle, the dead bodies of all those men in the exact places that God’s Messenger had pointed out.’

-Bukhari, Muslim and Ahmad ibn Hanbal record:

During the construction of the Prophet’s Mosque in Madina, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, told ‘Ammar:

What a pity O ‘Ammar, a rebellious group will kill you.

‘Ammar was killed in the Battle of Siffin by the supporters of Mu‘awiya, who rebelled against Caliph ‘Ali.

-Before his death, the Messenger called his daughter Fatima to his bedside and informed her that she would be the first among his family to join him after his death. Fatima joined her father, the pride of mankind, six months later

-5. hän ennusti mongolit
The Hour will not come before you fight against a people with red faces, small, slant eyes and flat noses. They wear hairy leather boots.

mongolit tuhosivat bagdadin täysin n1200 jkr

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Hehe nytkö luotat haditheihin ?

Mwgw kirjoitti:

Hehe nytkö luotat haditheihin ?

en luota haditheihin,joista on ristiriitaista tietoa tms,muihin luotan

tanukka kirjoitti:

en luota haditheihin,joista on ristiriitaista tietoa tms,muihin luotan

Muut muslimit luottavat haditheihin. Olet siis - mikä?

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

-koraanin mukaan suolainen ja makea vesi eivät sekoitu

[025:053] It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

[055:019] He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:
[055:020] Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=16854

". A density boundary separates the layers at about 100 m depth."
"because it must pass over a shallow submarine barrier, the Camarinal Sill"

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/uft/uft2.htm

"atop the strong density boundary between the heavier, more saline bottom water flowing west and the lighter, fresher Atlantic water"

"Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A."

Lue lisää

-koraanin mukaan suolainen ja makea vesi eivät sekoitu

[025:053] It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

Barrier tarkoittaa kuivaa maata
(a barrier) means a partition, which is dry land.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2389&Itemid=80

Vertaa
Jeremiah 5:22
Should you not fear me?" declares the LORD. "Should you not tremble in my presence? I made the sand a boundary for the sea, an everlasting barrier it cannot cross. The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail; they may roar, but they cannot cross it.


http://www.metrum.org/deluge/delsumer.htm

"-koraani kertoo maailman kaikkeuden laajentumisesta
huom sana taivas on lähimpänä sanaa avaruutta,sillä tuolloin ei ollut sanaa avaruus ja eikä sen ajan yksinkertaisille ihmisille voi sanoa sanaa avaruus koska ei hän ymmärrä sitä.lisäksi sana samavat,jota nyt käytetään tarkoittaa myös avaruutta

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven(space/universe) with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)"

tarkoitetaan jotain muuta kuin avaruuden laajentumista

Job 9:8 “He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;”

Psalm 104:2 “Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment, Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.”

Isaiah 40:22 “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”

Isaiah 42:5 “Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it:”

Isaiah 45:12 “I have made the earth, And created man on it. My hands- stretched out the heavens, And all their host I have commanded.”

Isaiah 48:13 “Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.”

Isaiah 51:13 “And you forget the Lord your Maker, Who stretched out the heavens And laid the foundations of the earth;…”

Jeremiah 10:12 “He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.”

Jeremiah 51:15 “He has made the earth by His power; He has established the world by His wisdom, And stretched out the heaven by His understanding”

Zechariah 12:1” The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:”

-lisäksi koraani puhuu 7 ilmakehän kerroksesta ja samasta määrästä maan kerroksista

"
nykytiede vahvistaa tämän :troposfääri,stratosfääri,mesosfääri,termosfääri,eksosfääri,ionosfääri,magnetosfääri

-maapallollakin on 7 kerrosta :"


Tarkista uudelleen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

sinulla on totuus silmiesi edessä:mikään muu uskonto ei pysty todistamaan jumalan olemassaoloa.vain islam.ei ole mitenkään mahdollista että tavallinen,lukutaidoton paimen tietäisi edellämainitut asiat,jotka alkoivat selvitä vasta 1800-luvulta lähtien.koraani ei kuitenkaan ole tiedekirja,vaan uskonnollinen kirja.

vain jumala voi tietää nuo asiat,sillä hän on luoja.sinulle on todistettu jumalan olemassaolo,etkä voi kiistää hänen olemassaoloaan,kuten kristinuskon tai juutalaisuuden tms kohdalla voi.usko jumalan ennenkuin on liian myöhäistä.

usko yhteen,mahtavaan jumalaan ennenkuin tulee päivä jolloin katuminen on turhaa.

toista La Ilaha Illallah,Muhammad rasululllah
(ei ole muuta jumalaa kuin Jumala ja Muhammad on hänen lähettiläänsä)

peace out

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Juutalaisuus ei seiso tai kaadu siihen, miten uskonnot sen kokee. Siksi sen ei myöskään tarvitse mittauttaa Jlansa todellisuutta muilla uskonnoilla.

? kirjoitti:

Muut muslimit luottavat haditheihin. Olet siis - mikä?

kukaan oppinutkaan ei hyväksi ristiriitaisia haditheja yms,tai ainakaan ei pitäisi

möppo kirjoitti:

-koraanin mukaan suolainen ja makea vesi eivät sekoitu

[025:053] It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

Barrier tarkoittaa kuivaa maata
(a barrier) means a partition, which is dry land.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2389&Itemid=80

Vertaa
Jeremiah 5:22
Should you not fear me?" declares the LORD. "Should you not tremble in my presence? I made the sand a boundary for the sea, an everlasting barrier it cannot cross. The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail; they may roar, but they cannot cross it.


http://www.metrum.org/deluge/delsumer.htm

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tuo kohta jeremiassa kuullostaa lähinnä joltakin ranta yms kohdalta,ei kahden eri meren erotukselta

tuon toisen tarkistan yusuf alin koraanin käännösestä

vielä:millä perustelet että the barrier tarkoittaa maata?

pjpjp kirjoitti:

"-koraani kertoo maailman kaikkeuden laajentumisesta
huom sana taivas on lähimpänä sanaa avaruutta,sillä tuolloin ei ollut sanaa avaruus ja eikä sen ajan yksinkertaisille ihmisille voi sanoa sanaa avaruus koska ei hän ymmärrä sitä.lisäksi sana samavat,jota nyt käytetään tarkoittaa myös avaruutta

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven(space/universe) with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)"

tarkoitetaan jotain muuta kuin avaruuden laajentumista

Job 9:8 “He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;”

Psalm 104:2 “Who cover Yourself with light as with a garment, Who stretch out the heavens like a curtain.”

Isaiah 40:22 “It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”

Isaiah 42:5 “Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it:”

Isaiah 45:12 “I have made the earth, And created man on it. My hands- stretched out the heavens, And all their host I have commanded.”

Isaiah 48:13 “Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.”

Isaiah 51:13 “And you forget the Lord your Maker, Who stretched out the heavens And laid the foundations of the earth;…”

Jeremiah 10:12 “He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion.”

Jeremiah 51:15 “He has made the earth by His power; He has established the world by His wisdom, And stretched out the heaven by His understanding”

Zechariah 12:1” The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:”

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olet valitettavasti väärässä,sillä heprean sana taivas(en puhu sheolista yms) ei tarkoita sanaa avaruus tai universumi toisinkuin arabian samavat

space
http://www.milon.co.il/general/general.php?term=space
heaven
http://www.milon.co.il/general/general.php?term=sky

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

olet valitettavasti väärässä,sillä heprean sana taivas(en puhu sheolista yms) ei tarkoita sanaa avaruus tai universumi toisinkuin arabian samavat

space
http://www.milon.co.il/general/general.php?term=space
heaven
http://www.milon.co.il/general/general.php?term=sky

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tarkoitetaan jotain muuta kuin avaruuden laajentumista

perustele

18öäöä kirjoitti:

-lisäksi koraani puhuu 7 ilmakehän kerroksesta ja samasta määrästä maan kerroksista

"
nykytiede vahvistaa tämän :troposfääri,stratosfääri,mesosfääri,termosfääri,eksosfääri,ionosfääri,magnetosfääri

-maapallollakin on 7 kerrosta :"


Tarkista uudelleen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
ks mm.kuva ja lue tekstiä:
The mantle is divided into sections which are based upon results from seismology. These layers (and their depths) are the following: the upper mantle (starting at the Moho, or base of the crust around 7 to 35 km, downward to 410 km),[8] the transition zone (410–660 km), the lower mantle (660–2891 km), and in the bottom of the latter region there is the anomalous D" layer with a variable thickness (on average ~200 km thick).[4][9][10][11]

The top of the mantle is defined by a sudden increase in seismic velocity, which was first noted by Andrija Mohorovičić in 1909; this boundary is now referred to as the "Mohorovičić discontinuity" or "Moho".[9][12] The uppermost mantle plus overlying crust are relatively rigid and form the lithosphere, an irregular layer with a maximum thickness of perhaps 200 km. Below the lithosphere the upper mantle becomes notably more plastic in its rheology. In some regions below the lithosphere, the seismic velocity is reduced; this so-called low-velocity zone (LVZ) extends down to a depth of several hundred km. Inge Lehmann discovered a seismic discontinuity at about 220 km depth;[13] although this discontinuity has been found in other studies, it is not known whether the discontinuity is ubiquitous. The transition zone is an area of great complexity; it physically separates the upper and lower mantle.[11] Very little is known about the lower mantle apart from that it appears to be relatively seismically homogeneous. The D" layer at the core–mantle boundary separates the mantle from the core.[4][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asthenosphere
The asthenosphere (from Greek asthenēs 'weak' sphere) is the highly viscous mechanically weak ductilely-deforming region of the upper mantle of the Earth. It lies below the lithosphere, at depths between 100 and 200 km (~ 62 and 124 miles) below the surface, but perhaps extending as deep as 700 km (~ 435 miles).

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantle_(geology)
ks mm.kuva ja lue tekstiä:
The mantle is divided into sections which are based upon results from seismology. These layers (and their depths) are the following: the upper mantle (starting at the Moho, or base of the crust around 7 to 35 km, downward to 410 km),[8] the transition zone (410–660 km), the lower mantle (660–2891 km), and in the bottom of the latter region there is the anomalous D" layer with a variable thickness (on average ~200 km thick).[4][9][10][11]

The top of the mantle is defined by a sudden increase in seismic velocity, which was first noted by Andrija Mohorovičić in 1909; this boundary is now referred to as the "Mohorovičić discontinuity" or "Moho".[9][12] The uppermost mantle plus overlying crust are relatively rigid and form the lithosphere, an irregular layer with a maximum thickness of perhaps 200 km. Below the lithosphere the upper mantle becomes notably more plastic in its rheology. In some regions below the lithosphere, the seismic velocity is reduced; this so-called low-velocity zone (LVZ) extends down to a depth of several hundred km. Inge Lehmann discovered a seismic discontinuity at about 220 km depth;[13] although this discontinuity has been found in other studies, it is not known whether the discontinuity is ubiquitous. The transition zone is an area of great complexity; it physically separates the upper and lower mantle.[11] Very little is known about the lower mantle apart from that it appears to be relatively seismically homogeneous. The D" layer at the core–mantle boundary separates the mantle from the core.[4][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asthenosphere
The asthenosphere (from Greek asthenēs 'weak' sphere) is the highly viscous mechanically weak ductilely-deforming region of the upper mantle of the Earth. It lies below the lithosphere, at depths between 100 and 200 km (~ 62 and 124 miles) below the surface, but perhaps extending as deep as 700 km (~ 435 miles).

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eli yhteensä seitsemän
kuori,ylempi vaippa,siirtymä-alue,alempi vaippa,"d",ulompi ydin,sisin ydin

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

tarkoitetaan jotain muuta kuin avaruuden laajentumista

perustele

Tutustu käsitteeseen Taivaankansi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taivaankansi

jhkjlhkjlhkjl kirjoitti:

Tutustu käsitteeseen Taivaankansi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmament

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taivaankansi

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tutustu sanaan samavat

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

sinulla on totuus silmiesi edessä:mikään muu uskonto ei pysty todistamaan jumalan olemassaoloa.vain islam.ei ole mitenkään mahdollista että tavallinen,lukutaidoton paimen tietäisi edellämainitut asiat,jotka alkoivat selvitä vasta 1800-luvulta lähtien.koraani ei kuitenkaan ole tiedekirja,vaan uskonnollinen kirja.

vain jumala voi tietää nuo asiat,sillä hän on luoja.sinulle on todistettu jumalan olemassaolo,etkä voi kiistää hänen olemassaoloaan,kuten kristinuskon tai juutalaisuuden tms kohdalla voi.usko jumalan ennenkuin on liian myöhäistä.

usko yhteen,mahtavaan jumalaan ennenkuin tulee päivä jolloin katuminen on turhaa.

toista La Ilaha Illallah,Muhammad rasululllah
(ei ole muuta jumalaa kuin Jumala ja Muhammad on hänen lähettiläänsä)

peace out

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tanukka-vanukalle

Kirjoituksistasi puuttui selkeä todiste Jumalan olemassaolosta.
Koraanista esiintuomasi kohdat eivät kelpaa minulle todisteeksi.
Annoit muslimeille tyypilliseen tapaan kuvan, että vain islamissa pystytään
todistamaan Jumalan todellisuus. Koraanin "eväät" eivät siihen riitä.

Islam on Koraanin oppien pohjalta ominut ja yrittää edelleenkin omia kaiken
ihmiselämään ja maailmankaikkeuteen liittyvän.

Islamilaisille uskotellaan heidän Jumalansa olevan se ainoa oikea Jumala.

Koraanin suurissa esiintyvät lukuisat ristiriitaisuudet murentavat kirjan todistusarvoa sekä tekee siitä epäuskottavan.

Koraani on selkeästi kyhätty fyysisesti täällä maapallolla eläneiden ihmisten toimesta monien vuosisatojen aikana ja siihen on, mystillisen vaikutelman aikaansaamiseksi lisätty islamilaisten ympärillä tapahtuneita ja toistuvuutensa vuoksi helposti ennustettavia tapahtumia.
Islamilaisten kaiken omivuudesta antaa oivan näytön Koraanin suura 57:22:
"Jokainen onnettomuus,joka kohtaa maata tai itseänne,on kirjoitettu Kirjaan jo ennenkuin se tapahtuu. Tämä on Jumalalle helppoa."

Islamilaisten Jumalaa kuvataan kaikkivaltaisena joka määrää kaikesta, myös ihmisen tekemisistä ja sallii ihmisten hyvät ja pahat teot.
Tämä sama islamilaisten Jumala kuitenkin tuomitsee ihmisen tämän tekojen perusteella joko taivaaseen tai helvettiin. Tässä on syvä ristiriita islamin Jumalan
oikeuden mukaisuuden kanssa ja kyseenalaistaa Islamilaistenkin Jumalan olemassa olon

Yleensä väite Jumalan olemassa oloon ei perustu tietoon, vaan on esittäjän mielipide ja kuvitelma.

Monet havainnot käytännön elämästä ja oletetun Jumalan kaikkivaltiuden ja maailmankärsimysten yhteensovittanattomuus heikentävät Jumalan olemassa olon uskottavuutta.

koraani ei edelleenkään ole mikään kirja jolla olisi tieteellinen tehtävä,siinä vain mainitaan silloin tällöin tällaisia asioita todisteeksi ajatteleville.sinulle on todistettu Jumalan olemassaolo.hyväksy se tai älä,it is your problem

tanukka kirjoitti:

koraani ei edelleenkään ole mikään kirja jolla olisi tieteellinen tehtävä,siinä vain mainitaan silloin tällöin tällaisia asioita todisteeksi ajatteleville.sinulle on todistettu Jumalan olemassaolo.hyväksy se tai älä,it is your problem

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Väärin, tällä hetkellä kenellekään ei ole todistettu Jumalan olemassaoloa.

jason_dax kirjoitti:

Väärin, tällä hetkellä kenellekään ei ole todistettu Jumalan olemassaoloa.

look above

ei koraanissa puhuta allegforioin tms. suurin osa noista tieteellisistä faktoista saadaan vain lukemalla sananmukaisesti. osa kyllä on liioiteltuja,myönnän sen. mutta niitä mitä minä kaytän tässä nyt eivät voi mitenkään olla allegorisia,sillä ne tarkoittavat sananmukaisesti sitä mitä tarkoittavat

busted

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

ei koraanissa puhuta allegforioin tms. suurin osa noista tieteellisistä faktoista saadaan vain lukemalla sananmukaisesti. osa kyllä on liioiteltuja,myönnän sen. mutta niitä mitä minä kaytän tässä nyt eivät voi mitenkään olla allegorisia,sillä ne tarkoittavat sananmukaisesti sitä mitä tarkoittavat

busted

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Minä näen tuolta merkitykset

http://corpus.quran.com/

Busted

http://kafirgirl.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/chapter4part1/

Dr. Mikael kirjoitti:

Minä näen tuolta merkitykset

http://corpus.quran.com/

Busted

http://kafirgirl.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/chapter4part1/

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käytän kirjaimellisia käännöksiä

busted and busted

tanukka-vanukka kirjoitti:

käytän kirjaimellisia käännöksiä

busted and busted

Lol, mitähän corpus quran on ?

jos luet useimpia käännöksiä,niissä harvoin on laitettu sananmukaisia käännöksiä,minkä takia vaikuttaa siltä että muslimit vetävät kaikki hatusta,tai nämä pointit ovat kaukaa haettuja

nay

if it is true,then shame on the liars