Why Finnish people think they are so Awful???
Hi everybody ^^
I have lived in Finland 5 months now and I cannot help but to wonder why Finnish people always think that they are worse than other nationalities and that Finnish culture is somehow inferior to other cultures? why is this?
I am currently working here as dance instructor and I also study Psychology in the University in Helsinki and I have met many wonderful people during my stay here. I just wonder why Finnish men and women so often call eachother to be boring, self -centered and stuck up? I dont see this to be true at all.
I think you guys are very wonderful. You are open, very straightforward and honest people. Why does finnish people always look at the bad sides in eachother instead of complimenting your women and men. Yes you might be little bit more quiet than other nationalities. But as I have noticed while working with the youth of this country, I think those times are long gone :p
So I am just wondering why you guys bash yourselves so much. Many Finnish men who have come to talk to me always bash Finnish women to be self-centered, boring and unfriendly and say how people are so great in Asia and how great we Asian women are. I wonder why is this?
Much love to the beautiful people here in Finland. ^^
For example, when Finnish men and women talk bad about each other, they're stating where they stand in the current discussion concerning human relations in Finland. Frankly, the situation is deplorable. There are more lonely people in Finland than ever and yet they seem to be unable to find anybody even marginally acceptable. Lonely people do not want other lonely people because there is something wrong with them. They want high status people, who already have more than enough of potential partners. People who are not lonely, of course do not want anything to do with lonely people because it might reflect unfavorably on their status. To screen potential partners people implement various rules and standards, such as no dating unemployed people, no dating men without a house, no dating men without a car, no dating men without designer clothing, no dating men without recommendations from other women, no dating men without a fancy title, no dating fat women, no dating skinny women, no dating ugly women, no dating lonely women, no dating women with kids, no dating ordinary women and the list goes on and on. Really, nobody is perfect enough for anybody anymore. If a man loses his job, his wife walks out on him, because he's no longer "perfect". If a wife gets fat, her husband dumps her because she makes him look bad. Well, the unemployed guy is now worse off than ever, as he's also a divorcee and so is the fat lady. Neither will ever have a permanent partner, unless people lower their artificial and cruel standards.
How did we get here? If Finland had always been like this, we would obviously not exist. All right, let's go back in time to the early 1990's. Our economy had collapsed, unemployment was rising rapidly and the right wing parties had just hijacked the government, promising to save us all if we just do exactly as they say. In a couple of years they made it very clear that the nation was going to be divided into winners and losers. The unemployed would be sacrificed, but it was no big deal, since they were not real people anymore. In fact, everything was their fault to begin with and the lazy sods were lucky not to be shot and buried in the nearest gravel pit. Those who could pay for the privilege were real and therefore superior people. None of the real people objected and the non-people could say anything they please, because from now on they would be ignored and shunned. Voting was no use, as even the communists abandoned the non-people. So, now the non-people no longer vote and even if they did, nobody would represent them. After all, an MP is a real human being with a fancy title, so he does not consort with scum. Now the division of Finns is so deep people consider very carefully who they can be seen with, lest they lose status. Only status, or the appearance thereof, is the measure of a man/woman. You could replace the word status with being Aryan and you'll see where the system was copied from. It's a strange form of Market Nazism Light. The concentration camps and ghettos are built inside our minds. Only Finns could be this clever.
The inferiority of the Finn is the mantra our illustrious leaders have indoctrinated us to believe. It helps them control us. Nobody is ever smart enough, thrifty enough, productive enough, efficient enough, zealous enough and especially cheap enough. Nobody is so willing to sacrifice oneself for the rich that he could not be more so. Soon the unemployed will learn to self destruct when they lose their jobs and those who have a job will work for free. Only the rich are above this kind of thinking. No rules apply to them anymore.
This thread sure got into little bit different direction that I was thinking :p But I am really interested to read about these things....they sure do broaden my understanding when it comes to the issues in the Finnish system.
Thank you guys for the interesting and great responses....I will shut up now and keep on listening ^^
You must have met the wrong people. As... I don't live in Helsinki. :P
Yep if you look at the most of the fins tv-series, movies, media 90% of them are very mad and tells about losing, losers and everything look so bad...There are stories about alcoholistics, suicides, "häjyt" and so on... Everything need to be so serious and educating. The picture what you get from this propaganda are that normal citizen is or should be sad, stupid and slaver-type who doesn't know anything.
If you look at people face on the streets rarely you notice any laugh anywhere....etc. these forums are full of hate and negative writings. People are lonely, self-centered and no large social capital...
I don't know why is it so. Maybe it so because of the weather and the lack of the sun....or maybe it so because otherwise the most of European countries Finland have never been really independent country nor like Sweden and Russia Finland have never feel what to be real superpower. Maybe that's why they are so demanding and look everything whit so bad way and cannot take situations whit relaxing way.
Don't panic, just paint your face black and say "I'm from Afrika" and You will see dramatical changes in attitude. See, You should be somali or russian or iraqi or from any poor eastern European country may be, then finns definitely won't think they are worse than You. Instead, they explain You thousands times, that despite of your better education, better look and better social skills than theirs, You are just piece of shit in comparison with them. And if You still don't believe it, then they concretize explanations with their fists.
Could we discuss a bit about racism in japan?
I go to japan every year, and just wanted to ask you about certain types of discrimination that is happening in japan.For example, there are bars and restaurants that allow japanese only.I understand the owners point of view, when some british/american retards behave very badly at some areas, but in the other hand, i personally wouldnt want to pay the price for their misbehaving.
I have had some encounters where i get verbally attacked when walking by people.I feel like i should wear finland flag on my clothes or something so i would not be mistaken as american :)
What do you think about this?
Have you encountered people assuming you are chinese/korean in finland btw?
Fortunately most people are incredibly kind, friendly and warm to foreigners in japan.
I have been to osaka as well, and ended up drinking with the bar owner after closing time, chatting about our countries.
I might go to osaka this year, do you have any tips on places to see? :)
You have lived here such a short time that you dont know much about our culture and people. Its kind of naive to think that you can tell us what we are like and its also offensive. I wouldnt never ever judge people like you do when I travel overseas or I meet foreign people. We all are individuals and not all the same mass even we women. Its really stupid and sad from our men to tell you what we women are like here. They only tell their point of view and its always 100% negative.
I myself dont think that other nationalities are better than us. All nationalities have their own nuance, culture and lifestyle. I respect other nationalities and I want that we get that same respect. Im proud of my genes, backround and family, but I dont still admire other cultures so blind as some people do.
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Thanks Keiko- for being so nice to us Finns in here :)
For me Finns seem to be dissatisfied with everything.
Where small talk elsewhere involves weather, we keep complaining on trains being late for few minutes (only)making it a good reason to ruin a day. Or being negative of ourselves or others. Where in other countries all the things are out of order, not working or in general state of chaos, we have it pretty darn well in here. Just that that does not seem to make Finns happy. That is a shame.
Lack of social skills, that is what we have. If you're friendly and open, you're atleast a suspicious type (if not a weirdo). Well, that is a good feature if you're a foreigner. Here, being critical is a virtue, but sometimes I feel we take it to an extreme...and that does not make it easy to be happy with yourself, you know.
In my opinion, it would be so good to make a year or two away from Finland obligatory for all students. Maybe we'd be more able to see the brilliant things in our culture, people, services and country?
I came back after a long stay abroad and again the national state of negativity is a major factor keeping people lonely and unhappy. I wish this would change... :) Then Finland would truly be the best country in the world (it just needs to have happy people in it!!!!).
Enjoy your stay in here, stay observant, keep your positivity and make the most of this experience!
have generally very low self-esteem and it just feeds itself. People with low self-esteem slag off other people and that has a negative effect on self-esteem and they also start trying to feel better by slagging off people.
Low self-esteem also makes it hard to express feelings. Finnish people are afraid to do that unless they are drunk. If you think FInnish people are straightforward and honest, it's because they are drunk.
Because of incapability of expressing feelings Finnish people don't easily create deep relationships where they can lean on when difficulties occur. Instead, they hide their feelings inside and suffocate them. They don't want to seem weak.
Finnish people are also very lonely because of that. Not many here can say to have real friends. People they hang out are just superficial friends who they go party with but if, for example, your leg breaks and you can't go party anymore, you won't be hearing about these "friends" anymore.
If you want to live a life, I don't recommend FInland. It takes alot more effort here and eventually you become tired of trying to be vibrant when everyone else is so phlegmatic. Then you just get stuck in a simple lifestyle where you go to work/home/party. Dreams are not really fulfilled here.
the reason for that we finns are inferior is that we are inferior - this is sad but true. we are only superior when we have had couple too many vodkas.
And the poor people complaing about not getting enough money are evil communists..and they will always complain about something. Money is not that important anyway..you still get enough money to live a normal life..I am poor too, but the biggest difference between me and other finns is that i am not jealous at rich people. One tip if you are poor, stop buying alcohol and tobacco and dont go to the night clubs..they are very expensive, bad for health and you dont need them.
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