Kirjoittanut: Lääkäri Yli-Mäenpää 11.10.2004 klo 10.31
Yet another ethnic group from Persia.
There is yet another, very special group which came to Europe and to other areas of the world, from Persia. Their language contains a large percentage of Persian words (that indicates that they must have left Persia before the Moslem occupation which started in the 600s). That special group of people is relatively few in number, and it has served other gods and still does that, just as the Bible says the scattered, "lost" tribes of Israel would do. That ethic group is spread over the whole world, among all nations, just as the Bible says the tribes of Israel would be.
That group is persecuted and hated, just as the Jews are hated. They are not tolerated by other people, just as the Jews are not. They have for a long time been a wandering people, on the move, just as the Bible said that the "lost" tribes would be, and just as the Jews have been. Also they were gassed by Hitler, just as he gassed the Jews. That ethnic group, that "peculiar people" is, of course, the "Gypsies" and the "Travellers": The Romani people, not to forget the Domari people in the Middle East.
According to historical sources, the Romani people of Europe have their origins in Persia. Even those who claim that the Romani people supposedly came from India, draw maps which show that they came into Europe from the Persian area. The question is, did the Romani people actually spread, from Persia, both to the east (India) as well as to the west (Europe)? That is not really known; one can only make guesses. The theory about "Punjab origins" appears to be a mere opinion of someone, probably based on virtually nothing. The Romani people came to Europe partially via Syria and Egypt. The western route is said to have given them their name E-gypti-ans, later reduced to "gypsies". A note: Deuteronomy 28:68 mentions a moving of Israelites back to Egypt by ships. That must have happened hundreds of years ago. The Romani have come to Europe from Egypt. The gypsies who stayed in Egypt (today, there are around 1,000,000 of them) are called Domari, instead of Romani which is the name for those who moved on.
Back to the Romani people. Again, their language has a large percentage of Persian words. Despite that fact, some try to "trace" their language to India. A certain writer had a list of Romani words (Gypsy language) which supposedly were "related to Indian" but which in fact were old and native in (for instance) Swedish. That kind of "language tracing" is not credible. Apparently, some people first decide that a given Romani word "must have come from India" and then they set out to produce "proof" for that claim of theirs. That is not the way to go. One must also consider the fact that the Germanic languages of Europe (including German, Dutch, Frisian, English and the Scandinavian languages) are all related and belong to the language-group which is called "Indo-European". Simply: Indian and European languages have a common source. Because of that, one should of course expect them to have some things in common. But, that does not mean that the Germans come from India, or that the Romani/Domari people did. If one used the same kind of methods as some use for "tracing" the Romani language and people, then one could just as well trace the German or British languages and peoples as having come from India. Which, of course, would be nonsense.
http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/ey17b.htm
Rabbi
"Another interesting Romany word is "manrho", meaning bread, that sounds precisely like the Hebrew "man-hu", that is what the Israelites exclaimed when they found the "manna" in the wilderness (Exodus 16:15). Yet, as the origins should not be sought through the language, I shall not extend this topic here."
Kuin aloitetan käsittelyn Romani tutkiman DNA ei vain Indian kansa, olen minä 100% varma etää Geneettinen testaus Lähi Idän perään tule oleman yhteis .
"Nearly 45% of Y chromosomes belong to haplogroup VI-68, and a single lineage within that haplogroup, found across Romani populations, accounts for almost one-third of Romani males. A similar preservation of a highly resolved male lineage has been reported elsewhere only for Jewish priests (Thomas et al. 1998""
"Rom/ Gypsy Pollution laws: Any relationship or behavior that affects the honor of the groups is either 'clean' or 'unclean'. The Gypsies have their own system of purity as elaborate as that in ancient Bible times. ""
http://nabataea.net/gypsies.html
""Roma is an Ancient Egyptian word meaning (Egyptian) men"
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/books/egyptian-romany-pg.ht ml
""Roma is an Ancient Egyptian word meaning (Egyptian) men"
Kirjoittanut: Lääkäri Yli-Mäenpää 11.10.2004 klo 10.35
www.egypt-tehuti.org
Roma
Kirjoittanut: Lääkäri Yli-Mäenpää 11.10.2004 klo 10.38
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/books/egyptian-romany-pg.ht ml
Yet another ethnic group from Persia.
There is yet another, very special group which came to Europe and to other areas of the world, from Persia. Their language contains a large percentage of Persian words (that indicates that they must have left Persia before the Moslem occupation which started in the 600s). That special group of people is relatively few in number, and it has served other gods and still does that, just as the Bible says the scattered, "lost" tribes of Israel would do. That ethic group is spread over the whole world, among all nations, just as the Bible says the tribes of Israel would be.
That group is persecuted and hated, just as the Jews are hated. They are not tolerated by other people, just as the Jews are not. They have for a long time been a wandering people, on the move, just as the Bible said that the "lost" tribes would be, and just as the Jews have been. Also they were gassed by Hitler, just as he gassed the Jews. That ethnic group, that "peculiar people" is, of course, the "Gypsies" and the "Travellers": The Romani people, not to forget the Domari people in the Middle East.
According to historical sources, the Romani people of Europe have their origins in Persia. Even those who claim that the Romani people supposedly came from India, draw maps which show that they came into Europe from the Persian area. The question is, did the Romani people actually spread, from Persia, both to the east (India) as well as to the west (Europe)? That is not really known; one can only make guesses. The theory about "Punjab origins" appears to be a mere opinion of someone, probably based on virtually nothing. The Romani people came to Europe partially via Syria and Egypt. The western route is said to have given them their name E-gypti-ans, later reduced to "gypsies". A note: Deuteronomy 28:68 mentions a moving of Israelites back to Egypt by ships. That must have happened hundreds of years ago. The Romani have come to Europe from Egypt. The gypsies who stayed in Egypt (today, there are around 1,000,000 of them) are called Domari, instead of Romani which is the name for those who moved on.
Back to the Romani people. Again, their language has a large percentage of Persian words. Despite that fact, some try to "trace" their language to India. A certain writer had a list of Romani words (Gypsy language) which supposedly were "related to Indian" but which in fact were old and native in (for instance) Swedish. That kind of "language tracing" is not credible. Apparently, some people first decide that a given Romani word "must have come from India" and then they set out to produce "proof" for that claim of theirs. That is not the way to go. One must also consider the fact that the Germanic languages of Europe (including German, Dutch, Frisian, English and the Scandinavian languages) are all related and belong to the language-group which is called "Indo-European". Simply: Indian and European languages have a common source. Because of that, one should of course expect them to have some things in common. But, that does not mean that the Germans come from India, or that the Romani/Domari people did. If one used the same kind of methods as some use for "tracing" the Romani language and people, then one could just as well trace the German or British languages and peoples as having come from India. Which, of course, would be nonsense.
http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/ey17b.htm
Rabbi
"Another interesting Romany word is "manrho", meaning bread, that sounds precisely like the Hebrew "man-hu", that is what the Israelites exclaimed when they found the "manna" in the wilderness (Exodus 16:15). Yet, as the origins should not be sought through the language, I shall not extend this topic here."
Kuin aloitetan käsittelyn Romani tutkiman DNA ei vain Indian kansa, olen minä 100% varma etää Geneettinen testaus Lähi Idän perään tule oleman yhteis .
"Nearly 45% of Y chromosomes belong to haplogroup VI-68, and a single lineage within that haplogroup, found across Romani populations, accounts for almost one-third of Romani males. A similar preservation of a highly resolved male lineage has been reported elsewhere only for Jewish priests (Thomas et al. 1998""
"Rom/ Gypsy Pollution laws: Any relationship or behavior that affects the honor of the groups is either 'clean' or 'unclean'. The Gypsies have their own system of purity as elaborate as that in ancient Bible times. ""
http://nabataea.net/gypsies.html
""Roma is an Ancient Egyptian word meaning (Egyptian) men"
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/books/egyptian-romany-pg.ht ml
""Roma is an Ancient Egyptian word meaning (Egyptian) men"
Kirjoittanut: Lääkäri Yli-Mäenpää 11.10.2004 klo 10.35
www.egypt-tehuti.org
Roma
Kirjoittanut: Lääkäri Yli-Mäenpää 11.10.2004 klo 10.38
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/books/egyptian-romany-pg.ht ml
Vastaukset 2
Vanhimmat
Mä en tosiaankaan oo mikään kääntäjä, mutta ehkä tästä jotain apua on. :) En vastaa mitenkään käännöksen enkä alkuperäisen tekstin oikeellisuudesta tai asiatarkkuudesta, eivätkä tekstin mielipiteet ja väitteet ole omiani.
En niellyt kaikkea mitä tässä sanotaan. Vaikuttaa välissä pseudotieteelliseltä, joten muistakaa kriittisyys!
En viitsinyt alkaa kääntää koko hoitoa sanasta sanaan, joten referoin pääkohtia.
On olemassa vielä yksi ryhmä, joka on tullut Persiasta Eurooppan ja muuhun maailmaan. Heidän kielensä sisältää paljon persialaisia sanoja, mikä osoittaa heidän siirtyneen Persiasta ennen muslimien valloitusta 600-luvulta lähtien.
Ryhmä on vainottu ja vihattu, eikä heitä siedetä valtaväestön keskuudessa. Ryhmä on vaellellut pitkään ja joutunut Hitlerinkin jahtaamaksi. Kyse on siis romaneista - unohtamatta Lähi-idän Domari-kansaa (tästä mä en tiedä mitään).
Historiallisten lähteiden mukaan romaneilla on juurensa Persiassa, vaikka usein heimon uskotaan tulevan Intiasta (ainakin he ovat tulleet Lähi-idän kautta). Selvittämätön kysymys onkin, mikäli heimo olisi levittäytynyt sekä Intiaan että Eurooppaan Persiasta. Romanit tulivat Eurooppaan osin Syyrian ja Egyptin kautta. Sanotaan, että heimo on saanut englanninkielisen nimensä juuri Egyptistä (engl. Gypsies :: E-gypti-ans).
Vaikka romanikieli sisältää paljon persialaisia sanoja, jotkut yrittävät jäljittää sitä Intian kieliin esimerkiksi etsimällä intialaisia kieliä muistuttavia sanoja. Germaaniset kielet (mm. saksa, englanti ja ruotsi) kuuluvat samaan indoeurooppalaiseen kielikuntaan kuin esimerkiksi hindi, Intian pääkieli. Sanat, joiden väitetään tulevan intialaisista kielistä, voivat siis olla lainasanoja esimerkiksi ruotsista.
(Välihuomautus: Indoeurooppalaiseen kielikuntaan kuuluvat myös iranilaiset kielet - toisaalta altailaiset kielet, joihin kuuluu mm. turkki, muodostavat oman kielikuntansa. Huomaa, että intialaiset ja germaaniset kielet ovat nykyään hyvin kaukana toisistaan (vertaa vaikka englantia ja venäjää - molemmat ovat indoeur. kielikunnan kieliä).)
(Nyt alkavat lainaukset.)
"Romanikielessä on sana 'manrho' (leipä), joka on hyvin lähellä heprean kielen sanaa 'man-hu', joka tarkoittaa israelilaisten aavikosta löytämää mannaa."
"Kolmanneksella romanimiehistä on osin samantyyppinen DNA kuin juutalaisilla papeilla."
"Mikä tahansa suhde tai käytös, joka vaikuttaa ryhmän kunniaan, on joko 'puhdasta' tai 'epäpuhdasta'. Romaneilla on oma 'puhtausjärjestelmänsä' niin kuin Vanhan testamentin aikoihin."
"'Roma' on antiikin egyptin sana, joka tarkoittaa (egyptiläisiä) miehiä."
siis meinaaksää että joku jaksaa ton lukea läpi, saatikka vielä suomentaa?