Mekkaan saapuminen
Suura 48:27 annetaan seuraava lupaus
Jumala on antanut sananjulistajansa näyn täyttyä. Te tulette varmasti astumaan sisään pyhään temppeliin, jos Jumala niin tahtoo, turvassa, pää ajettuna ja hiukset leikattuina, pelkoa tuntematta, sillä Hän tietää, mitä te ette tiedä, ja niin on Hän hankkinut teille pikaisen voiton.
Tämä koraanin kohta on annettu ennen kuin muslimit yrittivät mennä suorittamaan mekkaan Tawaf( rituaali Hajjin aikana)
Matkalla Kaaballe he kohtasivatkin kuitenkin mekkalaisen ryhmän johtajinaan Suhail.b Amr joka pakotti muslimit keskeyttämään matkansa. Hudaibiyan uhka nousi esiin!
Tässä kohtaa on useita ongelmia jotka nousevat esiin!Ensin Hudaibiyan uhka! Muhammed suostui antamaan mekkalaisille pakanoille ne henkilöt, jotka olivat heiän ryhmistään islamiin liittyneet! Saman aikasesti Muhammed suostui kirjoittamaan fraasin” Muhammed, Jumalan lähettiläs” tilalle Muhammed, Abdullan poika. niin että he pääsisivät tekemään pyhiinvaelluksen mekkaan seuraavanan vuonna. Seuraava on otettu Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891:
"When Suhail bin Amr came, the Prophet said, ‘Now the matter has become easy.' Suhail said to the Prophet 'Please conclude a peace treaty with us.' So, the Prophet called the clerk and said to him, 'Write: By the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful." Suhail said, 'As for "Beneficent," by Allah, I do not know what it means. So write: By Your Name O Allah, as you used to write previously.' The Muslims said, 'By Allah, we will not write except: By the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.' The Prophet said, 'Write: By Your Name O Allah.' Then he dictated, 'This is the peace treaty which Muhammad, Allah's Apostle has concluded.' Suhail said, 'By Allah, if we knew that you are Allah's Apostle we would not prevent you from visiting the Kaba, and would not fight with you. So, write: 'Muhammad bin Abdullah.' The Prophet said, 'By Allah! I am Apostle of Allah even if you people do not believe me. Write: Muhammad bin Abdullah.' (Az-Zuhri said, 'The Prophet accepted all those things, as he had already said that he would accept everything they would demand if it respects the ordinance of Allah, (i.e. by letting him and his companions perform 'Umra.)') The Prophet said to Suhail, 'On the condition that you allow us to visit the House (i.e. Ka'ba) so that we may perform Tawaf around it.' Suhail said, 'By Allah, we will not (allow you this year) so as not to give chance to the Arabs to say that we have yielded to you, but we will allow you next year.' SO, THE PROPHET GOT THAT WRITTEN.
"Then Suhail said, 'We also stipulate that you should return to us whoever comes to you from us, even if he embraced your religion.' The Muslims said, 'Glorified be Allah! How will such a person be returned to the pagans after he has become a Muslim?'"
Yksi heistä jotka pakotettiin palaamaan mekkaan oli Abu Jandal. Ibn Ishaqin Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad, trans. Alfred Guillaume, Oxford University Press), p. 505 lukee näin
'When Suhayl (the Meccan representative and the treaty's compiler) saw Abu Jandal he got up and hit him in the face and took hold of his collar, saying, 'Muhammad, the agreement between us was concluded before this man came to you.' He replied, 'you are right.' He began to pull him roughly by his collar and to drag him away to return him to Quraysh, while Abu Jandal shrieked at the top of his voice, 'Am I to be returned to the polytheists that they may entice me from my religion O Muslims?' and that increased the people's dejection'"
'When Suhayl (the Meccan representative and the treaty's compiler) saw Abu Jandal he got up and hit him in the face and took hold of his collar, saying, 'Muhammad, the agreement between us was concluded before this man came to you.' He replied, 'you are right.' He began to pull him roughly by his collar and to drag him away to return him to Quraysh, while Abu Jandal shrieked at the top of his voice, 'Am I to be returned to the polytheists that they may entice me from my religion O Muslims?' and that increased the people's dejection'" (bold and italic emphasis ours)
ja
'While they were in this state Abu- Jandal bin Suhail bin 'Amr came from the valley of Mecca staggering with his fetters and fell down amongst the Muslims. Suhail said, 'O Muhammad! This is the very first term with which we make peace with you, i.e. you shall return Abu Jandal to me.' The Prophet said, 'The peace treaty has not been written yet.' Suhail said, 'I will never allow you to keep him.' The Prophet said, 'Yes, do.' He said, 'I won't do: Mikraz said, 'We allow you (to keep him).' Abu Jandal said, 'O Muslims! Will I be returned to the pagans though I have come as a Muslim? Don't you see how much I have suffered?'
Abu Jandal oli kidutettu useita kertoja Jumalansa tähden! (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891)
Meidän tulee kysyä palauttiko Mooses yhtään käännynnäistä(erityisesti joka oli egyptiläinen) takaisin pakan faraon luo suostutellakseen häntä anatamaan sen mitä hän haluaa! Tekikö Jeesus koskaan kompromisseja Jumalan totuudesta hylkäämällä farisealaisten käskystä vääräuskoiset käännynnäiset, joita juutalaisten kuuria ei hyväksynyt? Menisikö mooses tai Jeesus niin pitkälle että he kieltäisivät oman olemuksensa miellyttääkseen pakanoita?
Eräs joka odotti muslimien vihastuvan oli Umar b. al-Khattab, joka Muhammedille!
' Umar bin al-Khattab said, 'I went to the Prophet and said, "Aren't you truly the messenger of Allah?" The Prophet said, "Yes, indeed." I said, "Isn't our cause just and the cause of the enemy unjust?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Then why should we be humble in our religion?" He said, "I am Allah's messenger and I do not disobey Him, and He will make me victorious"'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891)
Muslimien viha oli hyväksyttävä koska me ymmärsimme että Muhammed lupasi että heillä olisi mahdollisuus mennä mekkaan samana vuonna . Muhammed oikeutti sanomansa näin
"Yes, did I tell you that we would go to Ka'ba this year?" (Ibid)
Muhammedin väitettä ei voida putää vääränä koska sitä ei ole tarkalleen määrätty!
Ibn Kathir kertoo tästä asiasta kommentaattorissaan on S. 48:27:
"In a dream, the Messenger of Allah saw himself entering Makkah and performing Tawaf around the House. He told his Companions about this dream when he was still in Al-Madinah. When they went to Makkah in the year of Al-Hudaybiyyah, none of them doubted that the Prophet's vision WOULD COME TRUE THAT YEAR. When the treaty of peace was conducted and they had to return to Al-Madinah that year, being allowed to return to Makkah the next year, SOME OF THE COMPANIONS DISLIKED WHAT HAPPENED. 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asked about THIS, saying, 'Haven't you told us that we will go to the House and perform Tawaf around it?'" (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 9, Surat Al-Jathiyah to the end of Surat Al-Munafiqun, Abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, Riyadh, Houston, New York, London, Lahore; first edition, September 2000], p. 171)
Al-Tabari kirjoittaa
"While the Messenger of God was writing the document - he and Suhaly b. 'Amr - suddenly Abu Jandal, the son of Suhaly b. 'Amr, came walking with short steps in shackles. He had escaped to the Messenger of God. The companions of the Messenger of God had set out NOT DOUBTING that they would conquer, because of a vision the Messenger of God had seen. Therefore, when they saw what they saw - the peace, the retreat, and the obligations the Messenger of God had taken upon himself - the people felt so grieved about it that they were close to despair. When Suhayl saw Abu Jandal, he went up to him, struck him on the face, and grabbed him by the front of his garment. "Muhammad," he said, "the pact was ratified between me and you before this fellow came to you." "You are right," he replied. Suhayl began pulling and dragging [his son Abu Jandal] by the front of his garment to return him to Quraysh. Abu Jandal began screaming at the top of his vouce, "People of the Muslims, shall I be returned to the polytheists for them to torment me for my religion?" This made the people feel even worse. The Messenger of God said: "Abu Jandal, count on a reward, for God will give you and those who are oppressed with you relief and a way out. We have made a treaty and peace between oursleves and these people; we have given them and they have given us a promise, and we will not act treacherously toward them." (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, Volume VIII, pp. 86-87;)
Tämä osoittaa että Muhammed oli oikeastaan uskonut menevänsä Mekkaan, hanke joka ei koskaan onnistunut! Suojellakseen kasvojaan hänen oli sanottava ettei hän sanonut että he astuvat Mekkaan samana vuonna.
Toiseksi mikä tekee asian huonommaksi Muhammed rikkoi lupauksensa kieltäytymällä luovuttamasta muslimeja Qurayshille. Tämä oli vakava rikos sitä kohtaan mihin muhammed oli lupautunut kirjoittamalla nimensä!
"Umm Kulthum Uqba b. Mu'ayt migrated to the apostle during this period. Her two brothers 'Umara and Walid sons of 'Uqba came and asked the apostle to return her to them in accordance with the agreement between him and Quraysh at Hudaybiyya, but he would not. God forbade it." (Sirat Rasulullah, p. 509;)
Muhammed oikeutti sopimuksensa rikkomisen Jumalan tahdolla! Valitettavasti muslimeille tämä osoittaa ettei Muhammedin Jumala ole sama Jumala kuin raamatun Jumala koska raamatussa sopimuksen rikkominen on tiukasti kiellettyä! (Numbers 30:1-2)
1 And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded.
2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
Näiden asioiden valossa kysyn: Kumarsiko Mooses koskaan faaraon edessä poistuessaan? kielsikö Jeesus koskaan Messiaanisuutensa päästäkseen temppeliin? Tekikö kukaan aito Profeetta kompromisseja vääräuskoisten kanssa täyttääkseen Jumalan sanan?
Viimeinen ongelma on se että muslimit väittävät että koko koraani on välitetty enkeli Gabrielin kautta Muhammedille. Siis kaikki koraanissa olevat selitämättömyydet ovat Jumalan sanaa! Siis miten Jumala voi sanoa suurassa 48:27 sanoo että ”jos Jumala niin tahtoo” insha' Allah ? Eikö Jumal itse tiedä omaa tahtoaan? Jos on niin onko hän epävarma mitä hän tahtoo tapahtuvan jos hän lausuu itsekkin insha' Allah?
On helppo ymmärtää että ihminen on heikko uskossaan Jumalan tahtoon sanoessaan insha' Allah mutta jos Jumala itse sanoo niin se menee yliymmärryksen !
Mutta jos Jumala on todellisuudessa puhuu, niin kehen hän kohistaa sanomansa insha' Allah ? Onko se kohdistettu häneen itseensä vai johonkuhun toiseen? Jos se on kohdistettu johonkuhun toiseen kuinka monta jumalaa on olemassa vai onko Allah monipersoonainen Jumala kuin kristinuskossa?
Ps.
Tästä rauhan sopimuksesta lisäksi, eikö ollut niin ettei Muhammed osannut lukea tai kirjoittaa? Niin miten hän tiesi mitä rauhan sopimuksessa oli ja miten hän osasi kirjoittaa oman nimensä yms?
Suura 48:27 annetaan seuraava lupaus
Jumala on antanut sananjulistajansa näyn täyttyä. Te tulette varmasti astumaan sisään pyhään temppeliin, jos Jumala niin tahtoo, turvassa, pää ajettuna ja hiukset leikattuina, pelkoa tuntematta, sillä Hän tietää, mitä te ette tiedä, ja niin on Hän hankkinut teille pikaisen voiton.
Tämä koraanin kohta on annettu ennen kuin muslimit yrittivät mennä suorittamaan mekkaan Tawaf( rituaali Hajjin aikana)
Matkalla Kaaballe he kohtasivatkin kuitenkin mekkalaisen ryhmän johtajinaan Suhail.b Amr joka pakotti muslimit keskeyttämään matkansa. Hudaibiyan uhka nousi esiin!
Tässä kohtaa on useita ongelmia jotka nousevat esiin!Ensin Hudaibiyan uhka! Muhammed suostui antamaan mekkalaisille pakanoille ne henkilöt, jotka olivat heiän ryhmistään islamiin liittyneet! Saman aikasesti Muhammed suostui kirjoittamaan fraasin” Muhammed, Jumalan lähettiläs” tilalle Muhammed, Abdullan poika. niin että he pääsisivät tekemään pyhiinvaelluksen mekkaan seuraavanan vuonna. Seuraava on otettu Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891:
"When Suhail bin Amr came, the Prophet said, ‘Now the matter has become easy.' Suhail said to the Prophet 'Please conclude a peace treaty with us.' So, the Prophet called the clerk and said to him, 'Write: By the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful." Suhail said, 'As for "Beneficent," by Allah, I do not know what it means. So write: By Your Name O Allah, as you used to write previously.' The Muslims said, 'By Allah, we will not write except: By the Name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.' The Prophet said, 'Write: By Your Name O Allah.' Then he dictated, 'This is the peace treaty which Muhammad, Allah's Apostle has concluded.' Suhail said, 'By Allah, if we knew that you are Allah's Apostle we would not prevent you from visiting the Kaba, and would not fight with you. So, write: 'Muhammad bin Abdullah.' The Prophet said, 'By Allah! I am Apostle of Allah even if you people do not believe me. Write: Muhammad bin Abdullah.' (Az-Zuhri said, 'The Prophet accepted all those things, as he had already said that he would accept everything they would demand if it respects the ordinance of Allah, (i.e. by letting him and his companions perform 'Umra.)') The Prophet said to Suhail, 'On the condition that you allow us to visit the House (i.e. Ka'ba) so that we may perform Tawaf around it.' Suhail said, 'By Allah, we will not (allow you this year) so as not to give chance to the Arabs to say that we have yielded to you, but we will allow you next year.' SO, THE PROPHET GOT THAT WRITTEN.
"Then Suhail said, 'We also stipulate that you should return to us whoever comes to you from us, even if he embraced your religion.' The Muslims said, 'Glorified be Allah! How will such a person be returned to the pagans after he has become a Muslim?'"
Yksi heistä jotka pakotettiin palaamaan mekkaan oli Abu Jandal. Ibn Ishaqin Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad, trans. Alfred Guillaume, Oxford University Press), p. 505 lukee näin
'When Suhayl (the Meccan representative and the treaty's compiler) saw Abu Jandal he got up and hit him in the face and took hold of his collar, saying, 'Muhammad, the agreement between us was concluded before this man came to you.' He replied, 'you are right.' He began to pull him roughly by his collar and to drag him away to return him to Quraysh, while Abu Jandal shrieked at the top of his voice, 'Am I to be returned to the polytheists that they may entice me from my religion O Muslims?' and that increased the people's dejection'"
'When Suhayl (the Meccan representative and the treaty's compiler) saw Abu Jandal he got up and hit him in the face and took hold of his collar, saying, 'Muhammad, the agreement between us was concluded before this man came to you.' He replied, 'you are right.' He began to pull him roughly by his collar and to drag him away to return him to Quraysh, while Abu Jandal shrieked at the top of his voice, 'Am I to be returned to the polytheists that they may entice me from my religion O Muslims?' and that increased the people's dejection'" (bold and italic emphasis ours)
ja
'While they were in this state Abu- Jandal bin Suhail bin 'Amr came from the valley of Mecca staggering with his fetters and fell down amongst the Muslims. Suhail said, 'O Muhammad! This is the very first term with which we make peace with you, i.e. you shall return Abu Jandal to me.' The Prophet said, 'The peace treaty has not been written yet.' Suhail said, 'I will never allow you to keep him.' The Prophet said, 'Yes, do.' He said, 'I won't do: Mikraz said, 'We allow you (to keep him).' Abu Jandal said, 'O Muslims! Will I be returned to the pagans though I have come as a Muslim? Don't you see how much I have suffered?'
Abu Jandal oli kidutettu useita kertoja Jumalansa tähden! (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891)
Meidän tulee kysyä palauttiko Mooses yhtään käännynnäistä(erityisesti joka oli egyptiläinen) takaisin pakan faraon luo suostutellakseen häntä anatamaan sen mitä hän haluaa! Tekikö Jeesus koskaan kompromisseja Jumalan totuudesta hylkäämällä farisealaisten käskystä vääräuskoiset käännynnäiset, joita juutalaisten kuuria ei hyväksynyt? Menisikö mooses tai Jeesus niin pitkälle että he kieltäisivät oman olemuksensa miellyttääkseen pakanoita?
Eräs joka odotti muslimien vihastuvan oli Umar b. al-Khattab, joka Muhammedille!
' Umar bin al-Khattab said, 'I went to the Prophet and said, "Aren't you truly the messenger of Allah?" The Prophet said, "Yes, indeed." I said, "Isn't our cause just and the cause of the enemy unjust?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Then why should we be humble in our religion?" He said, "I am Allah's messenger and I do not disobey Him, and He will make me victorious"'" (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 50, Number 891)
Muslimien viha oli hyväksyttävä koska me ymmärsimme että Muhammed lupasi että heillä olisi mahdollisuus mennä mekkaan samana vuonna . Muhammed oikeutti sanomansa näin
"Yes, did I tell you that we would go to Ka'ba this year?" (Ibid)
Muhammedin väitettä ei voida putää vääränä koska sitä ei ole tarkalleen määrätty!
Ibn Kathir kertoo tästä asiasta kommentaattorissaan on S. 48:27:
"In a dream, the Messenger of Allah saw himself entering Makkah and performing Tawaf around the House. He told his Companions about this dream when he was still in Al-Madinah. When they went to Makkah in the year of Al-Hudaybiyyah, none of them doubted that the Prophet's vision WOULD COME TRUE THAT YEAR. When the treaty of peace was conducted and they had to return to Al-Madinah that year, being allowed to return to Makkah the next year, SOME OF THE COMPANIONS DISLIKED WHAT HAPPENED. 'Umar bin Al-Khattab asked about THIS, saying, 'Haven't you told us that we will go to the House and perform Tawaf around it?'" (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 9, Surat Al-Jathiyah to the end of Surat Al-Munafiqun, Abridged by a group of scholars under the supervision of Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, Riyadh, Houston, New York, London, Lahore; first edition, September 2000], p. 171)
Al-Tabari kirjoittaa
"While the Messenger of God was writing the document - he and Suhaly b. 'Amr - suddenly Abu Jandal, the son of Suhaly b. 'Amr, came walking with short steps in shackles. He had escaped to the Messenger of God. The companions of the Messenger of God had set out NOT DOUBTING that they would conquer, because of a vision the Messenger of God had seen. Therefore, when they saw what they saw - the peace, the retreat, and the obligations the Messenger of God had taken upon himself - the people felt so grieved about it that they were close to despair. When Suhayl saw Abu Jandal, he went up to him, struck him on the face, and grabbed him by the front of his garment. "Muhammad," he said, "the pact was ratified between me and you before this fellow came to you." "You are right," he replied. Suhayl began pulling and dragging [his son Abu Jandal] by the front of his garment to return him to Quraysh. Abu Jandal began screaming at the top of his vouce, "People of the Muslims, shall I be returned to the polytheists for them to torment me for my religion?" This made the people feel even worse. The Messenger of God said: "Abu Jandal, count on a reward, for God will give you and those who are oppressed with you relief and a way out. We have made a treaty and peace between oursleves and these people; we have given them and they have given us a promise, and we will not act treacherously toward them." (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, Volume VIII, pp. 86-87;)
Tämä osoittaa että Muhammed oli oikeastaan uskonut menevänsä Mekkaan, hanke joka ei koskaan onnistunut! Suojellakseen kasvojaan hänen oli sanottava ettei hän sanonut että he astuvat Mekkaan samana vuonna.
Toiseksi mikä tekee asian huonommaksi Muhammed rikkoi lupauksensa kieltäytymällä luovuttamasta muslimeja Qurayshille. Tämä oli vakava rikos sitä kohtaan mihin muhammed oli lupautunut kirjoittamalla nimensä!
"Umm Kulthum Uqba b. Mu'ayt migrated to the apostle during this period. Her two brothers 'Umara and Walid sons of 'Uqba came and asked the apostle to return her to them in accordance with the agreement between him and Quraysh at Hudaybiyya, but he would not. God forbade it." (Sirat Rasulullah, p. 509;)
Muhammed oikeutti sopimuksensa rikkomisen Jumalan tahdolla! Valitettavasti muslimeille tämä osoittaa ettei Muhammedin Jumala ole sama Jumala kuin raamatun Jumala koska raamatussa sopimuksen rikkominen on tiukasti kiellettyä! (Numbers 30:1-2)
1 And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded.
2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
Näiden asioiden valossa kysyn: Kumarsiko Mooses koskaan faaraon edessä poistuessaan? kielsikö Jeesus koskaan Messiaanisuutensa päästäkseen temppeliin? Tekikö kukaan aito Profeetta kompromisseja vääräuskoisten kanssa täyttääkseen Jumalan sanan?
Viimeinen ongelma on se että muslimit väittävät että koko koraani on välitetty enkeli Gabrielin kautta Muhammedille. Siis kaikki koraanissa olevat selitämättömyydet ovat Jumalan sanaa! Siis miten Jumala voi sanoa suurassa 48:27 sanoo että ”jos Jumala niin tahtoo” insha' Allah ? Eikö Jumal itse tiedä omaa tahtoaan? Jos on niin onko hän epävarma mitä hän tahtoo tapahtuvan jos hän lausuu itsekkin insha' Allah?
On helppo ymmärtää että ihminen on heikko uskossaan Jumalan tahtoon sanoessaan insha' Allah mutta jos Jumala itse sanoo niin se menee yliymmärryksen !
Mutta jos Jumala on todellisuudessa puhuu, niin kehen hän kohistaa sanomansa insha' Allah ? Onko se kohdistettu häneen itseensä vai johonkuhun toiseen? Jos se on kohdistettu johonkuhun toiseen kuinka monta jumalaa on olemassa vai onko Allah monipersoonainen Jumala kuin kristinuskossa?
Ps.
Tästä rauhan sopimuksesta lisäksi, eikö ollut niin ettei Muhammed osannut lukea tai kirjoittaa? Niin miten hän tiesi mitä rauhan sopimuksessa oli ja miten hän osasi kirjoittaa oman nimensä yms?
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