löytyykö koraanista kohta jossa muhamed olisi antanut käskyn muslimeille että islamin uskonto on silloin lopetetava kun ihminen on kävellyt kuussa ! pikaista vastausta odotellaan.
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Koraanin ihmeitä on että missään KAIKKIEN ihmisten ei sanota syntyvän/kuolevan maassa (vain ainoastaan Aatamin), vaikka silloin se varmaan vaikutti itsestään selvältä kenelle tahansa (muutenkin maan kuvaukset ovat kuin matkailuesitteestä, yleiskuvallisesti ihmiskunnan historiaan liittyviä):
7:19 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."...
7:24-25
(Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."
Seuraavassa annetaan lupa matkustaa taivaiden ja maan rajojen yli, jos vain pystymme (jolloin olemme saaneet luvan):
55:33 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! Not without authority (/permission) shall ye be able to pass!"
Sitten hieman avaruusolioiden puhetta, jinnit on Koraanin mukaan luotu ennen ihmistä savuttomasta tulesta (tähdissä ei ole savua, ensimmäisistä räjähtäneistä tähdistä kaikki materia universumiin on tullut).
72:6-12 "(Jinns said:) ´True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them into further error. And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to judgement). And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. And we understand not whether evil is intended to THOSE ON EARTH, on whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct. There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths. But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, not can we ESCAPE Him BY FLIGHT.` "
vanha venäläinen tekokuu, eli sputnik. Kiertää ympyrää ja piipittää niin v..usti:D
Muhammedin aikaan tähdet olivat taivaankannessa lamppuja ja kuu oli on vähän suurempi lamppu. Kuun suuruudesta Koraanissa ei ole mitään mainintaa. Ei kai ihminen voinut mennä niitä lamppuja hakemaan?
Koraanissa kuusta puhuttaessa käytetään sanaa "Valo" (nur) koska se heijastaa auringon valoa, sanaa "soihtu" (siraj) kun puhutaan auringosta, koska se antaa valoa ja lämpöä. Tähti (najm) on täydennetty toisella sanalla, "thaqib", joka kuvaa tähden palavan ja sen valon heijastuvan (kuusta) kun sen valo pakottaa tiensä läpi yön varjojen.
25:61 "Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars (constellations/star mansions/star groups), and placed therein a great lamp and a moon reflecting (/giving) light."
When Bible talks about sun and moon as two different light giving object of sky, Koran does difference between them using different descriptions: Light (nur), when talking about moon, and torch (siraj), when talking about sun. First one is dead rock that reflects shine of light, second one is formation of heaven, with lots of fuel to burn (like in a torch) in a constant state of burning giving both heat and light (like a torch). Word "star" (najm) is completed by other word, that describes star as burning and moon (reflecting light) when its (stars) light forces its way through shadows of night: this word is "thaqib". Moon is not said to produce light, only reflecting it. Same way Islam can only reflect small proportion of shine from light of Allah, not all in any case.
In Koran "kawbab" seems to mean definitely planets, that are formations of heaven wich reflect light and does not produce light like stars. Now we know how structure of heaven is balanced by ordered orbit of stars and stability in (changes of) gravity, which are connected to their mass and speed of own movement. But isn´t this just what Koran describes when mentioning this basics for this balance of heaven in 21:33 with words, that were undestand not before our time:
21:33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (/each in an orbit floating)."
55:5 "The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning).
As we now know, sun goes around centrum of our galaxy. Koran uses (for example 36:40) words "swim" and "floating", that sounds familiar with theory of space and time, how gravity affects in it by making a "hole" size of mass of celestial object (f.ex. sun), and how this "hole" in space-time field makes other bodies orbiting it to stay on their courses (bigger mass=bigger hole= more further away others have to be on "lower steps", so that too deep downhill in gravity will not swallow it, if too close). When in Europe they "knew" that sun is orbitting earth, this description could have been accepted even through their "science" (37:5 mentions "points of sun´s risings", 365, one for each day).
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Jokainen mullah on tekokuu. Ne kiertävät ympyrää ja piipittävät niin svidusdi:D
...nehän näyttääkin sputnikilta.