Kasvihuoneilmiö vs. jääkausi

Lueppa tarkkaan mitä siellä sanotaan. Esim:

"Global warming has the perfect culprit: naughty, industrialised, advanced, consuming, Western man, who has made himself very rich by burning a lot of fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas). This, so the scare goes, is releasing a lot of carbon dioxide, which is dangerously heating up the world. There are two facts in the scare. First, it is true that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas — one which traps heat on Earth. (Without it, the Earth would be too cold for life.) Second, it is true that the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is rising. The rest is guesswork. The global warmers said that the most accurate measure of climate change would be air temperatures. For the last 20 years or more, air temperatures have been measured with extreme accuracy. They show no warming whatsoever. Surface temperatures are much less reliable since the recording stations are often encroached on by expanding cities, which warm the local environment. The curve most often used by the global warmers is one showing surface temperatures rising by about half a degree in the last 100 years. (The curve, incidentally, is a bad match against rising carbon dioxide but a good one against solar activity, which suggests the sun might be the reason for the warming.)"

ja

"The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Temperatures rose to the ‘Holocene Maximum’ of about 5,000 years ago when it was about 3°F higher than now, dropped in the time of Christ, and then rose to the ‘Mediaeval Climate Optimum’ of about 600 ad to 1100 ad, when temperatures were about 2°F higher than now. This was a golden age for northern European agriculture and led to the rise of Viking civilisation. Greenland, now a frozen wasteland, was then a habitable Viking colony. There were vineyards in the south of England. Then temperatures dropped to ‘The Little Ice Age’ in the 1600s, when the Thames froze over. And they have been rising slowly ever since, although they are still much lower than 1,000 years ago. We are now living in a rather cool period."

ja

"The Earth’s climate is immensely complicated, far beyond our present powers of understanding and the calculating powers of modern computers. Changes in phase from ice to water to vapour; cloud formation; convection; ocean currents; winds; changes in the sun; the complicated shapes of the land masses; the ability of the oceans to absorb carbon dioxide — all of these and a thousand other factors operating with small differences over vast masses and distances make it practically impossible for us to make predictions about long-term climate patterns, and perhaps make such predictions inherently impossible. The computer models that the global warmers now use are ludicrously oversimplified, and it is no surprise that they have made one wrong prediction after another."

ja

"Of course, the ultimate irony might be that the increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are warding off the ice age. In this case, we should give tax relief to coal power stations and factories for every ton of carbon dioxide they release."

sekä erityisesti

"If we do decide on the ‘precautionary principle’ of keeping carbon dioxide levels stable, we can turn to those many technologies, proven or in prospect, which release no or little carbon dioxide. Nuclear power is the obvious first choice. There is no reason why the world economy cannot continue to grow and prosper with reduced greenhouse emissions. But, for heaven’s sake, let’s start by telling the whole truth and giving all of the facts."

Markus kirjoitti:

Lueppa tarkkaan mitä siellä sanotaan. Esim:

"Global warming has the perfect culprit: naughty, industrialised, advanced, consuming, Western man, who has made himself very rich by burning a lot of fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas). This, so the scare goes, is releasing a lot of carbon dioxide, which is dangerously heating up the world. There are two facts in the scare. First, it is true that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas — one which traps heat on Earth. (Without it, the Earth would be too cold for life.) Second, it is true that the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is rising. The rest is guesswork. The global warmers said that the most accurate measure of climate change would be air temperatures. For the last 20 years or more, air temperatures have been measured with extreme accuracy. They show no warming whatsoever. Surface temperatures are much less reliable since the recording stations are often encroached on by expanding cities, which warm the local environment. The curve most often used by the global warmers is one showing surface temperatures rising by about half a degree in the last 100 years. (The curve, incidentally, is a bad match against rising carbon dioxide but a good one against solar activity, which suggests the sun might be the reason for the warming.)"

ja

"The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Temperatures rose to the ‘Holocene Maximum’ of about 5,000 years ago when it was about 3°F higher than now, dropped in the time of Christ, and then rose to the ‘Mediaeval Climate Optimum’ of about 600 ad to 1100 ad, when temperatures were about 2°F higher than now. This was a golden age for northern European agriculture and led to the rise of Viking civilisation. Greenland, now a frozen wasteland, was then a habitable Viking colony. There were vineyards in the south of England. Then temperatures dropped to ‘The Little Ice Age’ in the 1600s, when the Thames froze over. And they have been rising slowly ever since, although they are still much lower than 1,000 years ago. We are now living in a rather cool period."

ja

"The Earth’s climate is immensely complicated, far beyond our present powers of understanding and the calculating powers of modern computers. Changes in phase from ice to water to vapour; cloud formation; convection; ocean currents; winds; changes in the sun; the complicated shapes of the land masses; the ability of the oceans to absorb carbon dioxide — all of these and a thousand other factors operating with small differences over vast masses and distances make it practically impossible for us to make predictions about long-term climate patterns, and perhaps make such predictions inherently impossible. The computer models that the global warmers now use are ludicrously oversimplified, and it is no surprise that they have made one wrong prediction after another."

ja

"Of course, the ultimate irony might be that the increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are warding off the ice age. In this case, we should give tax relief to coal power stations and factories for every ton of carbon dioxide they release."

sekä erityisesti

"If we do decide on the ‘precautionary principle’ of keeping carbon dioxide levels stable, we can turn to those many technologies, proven or in prospect, which release no or little carbon dioxide. Nuclear power is the obvious first choice. There is no reason why the world economy cannot continue to grow and prosper with reduced greenhouse emissions. But, for heaven’s sake, let’s start by telling the whole truth and giving all of the facts."

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Luonto kirjoitti:

palsta, etkö voisi pysyä siellä.
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Markus kirjoitti:

Lueppa tarkkaan mitä siellä sanotaan. Esim:

"Global warming has the perfect culprit: naughty, industrialised, advanced, consuming, Western man, who has made himself very rich by burning a lot of fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas). This, so the scare goes, is releasing a lot of carbon dioxide, which is dangerously heating up the world. There are two facts in the scare. First, it is true that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas — one which traps heat on Earth. (Without it, the Earth would be too cold for life.) Second, it is true that the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is rising. The rest is guesswork. The global warmers said that the most accurate measure of climate change would be air temperatures. For the last 20 years or more, air temperatures have been measured with extreme accuracy. They show no warming whatsoever. Surface temperatures are much less reliable since the recording stations are often encroached on by expanding cities, which warm the local environment. The curve most often used by the global warmers is one showing surface temperatures rising by about half a degree in the last 100 years. (The curve, incidentally, is a bad match against rising carbon dioxide but a good one against solar activity, which suggests the sun might be the reason for the warming.)"

ja

"The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Temperatures rose to the ‘Holocene Maximum’ of about 5,000 years ago when it was about 3°F higher than now, dropped in the time of Christ, and then rose to the ‘Mediaeval Climate Optimum’ of about 600 ad to 1100 ad, when temperatures were about 2°F higher than now. This was a golden age for northern European agriculture and led to the rise of Viking civilisation. Greenland, now a frozen wasteland, was then a habitable Viking colony. There were vineyards in the south of England. Then temperatures dropped to ‘The Little Ice Age’ in the 1600s, when the Thames froze over. And they have been rising slowly ever since, although they are still much lower than 1,000 years ago. We are now living in a rather cool period."

ja

"The Earth’s climate is immensely complicated, far beyond our present powers of understanding and the calculating powers of modern computers. Changes in phase from ice to water to vapour; cloud formation; convection; ocean currents; winds; changes in the sun; the complicated shapes of the land masses; the ability of the oceans to absorb carbon dioxide — all of these and a thousand other factors operating with small differences over vast masses and distances make it practically impossible for us to make predictions about long-term climate patterns, and perhaps make such predictions inherently impossible. The computer models that the global warmers now use are ludicrously oversimplified, and it is no surprise that they have made one wrong prediction after another."

ja

"Of course, the ultimate irony might be that the increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are warding off the ice age. In this case, we should give tax relief to coal power stations and factories for every ton of carbon dioxide they release."

sekä erityisesti

"If we do decide on the ‘precautionary principle’ of keeping carbon dioxide levels stable, we can turn to those many technologies, proven or in prospect, which release no or little carbon dioxide. Nuclear power is the obvious first choice. There is no reason why the world economy cannot continue to grow and prosper with reduced greenhouse emissions. But, for heaven’s sake, let’s start by telling the whole truth and giving all of the facts."

"The climate of our planet is far too important for this nonsense. What we need is more genuine scientific research so that we can
understand it better."

The Spectator on äärikonservatiivinen sanomalehti, ei tieteellinen julkaisu. Andrew Kennystä en tiedä mitään, mutta hän on luultavasti journalisti, ei tiedemies. Ne jotka uskovat kaikkeen mitä sanomalehdissä kirjoitetaan ovat varmaan aika sekapäisiä koska joutuvat uskomaan niin moneen 'totuuteen' yhtä aikaa.

Mutta tuo siteeraamani toteamus todellakin on totta: lisää tutkimusta tarvitaan. Eräiden spekulaatioiden mukaan, kasvihuoneilmiö ja lämpeneminen voivat olla juuri se mikä käynnistää jääkauden.

Demokraatti kirjoitti:

"The climate of our planet is far too important for this nonsense. What we need is more genuine scientific research so that we can
understand it better."

The Spectator on äärikonservatiivinen sanomalehti, ei tieteellinen julkaisu. Andrew Kennystä en tiedä mitään, mutta hän on luultavasti journalisti, ei tiedemies. Ne jotka uskovat kaikkeen mitä sanomalehdissä kirjoitetaan ovat varmaan aika sekapäisiä koska joutuvat uskomaan niin moneen 'totuuteen' yhtä aikaa.

Mutta tuo siteeraamani toteamus todellakin on totta: lisää tutkimusta tarvitaan. Eräiden spekulaatioiden mukaan, kasvihuoneilmiö ja lämpeneminen voivat olla juuri se mikä käynnistää jääkauden.

.....että Herra Keuhkoaja unohti - kas, kun tämä Markus-poika on mielestään aina oikeassa, on sorkkimassa joka asiaa, kaikkea, mikä liikkuu - ja tietenkin tuo itse sen (omasta mielestään) ainoan oikean tiedon julki. Tuolla asenteella kun on liikkeellä, niin ei ihme, vaikka juoksisi nyrkkiin joku päivä. Mutta: entäs sitten, kun "......päiväntasaajalla jäävuoria - lunta Saharassa, aurinko uhkaa sammua - maapallo vaarassa......". Ehkäpä Markus Maailmanparantaja rientää silloin avuksi - jos tätä palloa nyt enää on olemassa.......Mutta asiaan: lisätutkimusta tarvitaan - sanoi Markus M. mitä tahansa - siteeratkoon vaikka itseään. En kerro, kenen laulutekstiä itse siteerasin - jos joku tunnistaa, niin OK. Markus tuskin - mainittu teksti on tehty kauan ennen Markus "Suuren" syntymää......!!!