Kekkonen raportoi tarkasti amerikkalaisille jokaisen Neuvostoliiton vierailunsa jälkeen.
Erään vierailunsa jälkeen hän valitti selontekoa lopettaessaan, ettei raportoitavaa ollut tämän enempää. Vierailu oli osoittautunut olevan enemmän metsästysretki kuin hän oli odottanut. Hän sanoi, että poliittisia keskusteluja käytiin vähemmän kuin millään muulla vierailulla Neuvostoliittoon.
“…Kekkonen said he wished he had more to report, but that his journey turned out to be even more of a hunting trip than he had expected. He said there was less political talk than on any of his trips to the Soviet Union…”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/kennedyjf/xvi/63930.htm
246. Memorandum of Conversation
//Source: Department of State, Central Files, POL 7 Fin. Secret; Eyes Only. Drafted by Gordon and initialed by Rowan.
Helsinki, December 13, 1963.
SUBJECT
Discussion with President Kekkonen
PARTICIPANTS
President Kekkonen, Max Jakobson, Director of Political Affairs, Ambassador Carl T. Rowan, and Mr. Glenn Gordon, USIS, Interpreter
President Kekkonen began by saying that his recent trip to Moscow/1/ served to confirm his views as to the attitude of the Soviet Union toward the Johnson Administration--that is, that it would follow the same line as the Kennedy Administration./2/ Kekkonen said he assumed that he was at liberty to tell Khrushchev of his discussion with Ambassador Rowan about the views and attitudes of President Johnson,/3/ and that he did so. Khrushchev reportedly was pleased to have Kekkonen's report, and both Khrushchev and Gromyko emphasized their desire to continue to cooperate with the United States and the West.
/1/Kekkonen visited the Soviet Union November 29 - December 4.
/2/President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas on November 22.
/3/Rowan had discussed the policies of the Johnson administration with Kekkonen on November 27. He reported on these discussions in telegram 302 from Helsinki, November 27. (Department of State, Central Files, POL 1 US)
Kekkonen said that the first thing that impressed him was Khru- shchev's good physical condition. At Novosibirsk in 1961 Khrushchev had seemed ill and fatigued. During this visit he hunted with great vigor and joked almost incessantly. Kekkonen concluded that Khrushchev apparently will be around awhile. Ambassador Rowan said that this was good to hear in as much as we know of no one on the Soviet scene who is certain to be any more reasonable than Khrushchev.
Kekkonen said he watched closely when Khrushchev was in the midst of Mikoyan, Kosygin, Malinovsky, Kozlov, Podgorny, and Polyansky and concluded that Khrushchev is in ``complete control." He said Khrushchev joked and talked freely, seeming to hold back nothing. He said Khrushchev appeared to be a man completely secure in his position. Kekkonen contrasted earlier visits when Khrushchev talked at length about Molotov and ``the anti-Party group" and felt it necessary to explain at great length his opposition to the Stalinists. This time Khrushchev seemed totally unworried by the anti-Party group.
Kekkonen said that for the first time he felt free to question Khrushchev about Stalin, and that Khrushchev talked very freely and frankly. Khrushchev said that during Stalin's last years the latter was mentally ill and hardly ever left the Kremlin. Khrushchev said that in 1951 he and Mikoyan were on a trip with Stalin when the latter often said, ``I don't trust anyone, not even myself!" Khrushchev said he and Mikoyan later got together and agreed that ``those were not the words of a sane man."
Kekkonen also discussed the Sino-Soviet split with Khrushchev who asserted that there is no real ideological difference, not even on the question of peaceful co-existence. But Khrushchev and other Soviet leaders admitted that they are befuddled by the strangely belligerent tone with which Red China states her position. Kekkonen said Red China troubles the Soviet Union ``and will continue to do so for a long time….
“…Kekkonen said he wished he had more to report, but that his journey turned out to be even more of a hunting trip than he had expected. He said there was less political talk than on any of his trips to the Soviet Union…”
Erään vierailunsa jälkeen hän valitti selontekoa lopettaessaan, ettei raportoitavaa ollut tämän enempää. Vierailu oli osoittautunut olevan enemmän metsästysretki kuin hän oli odottanut. Hän sanoi, että poliittisia keskusteluja käytiin vähemmän kuin millään muulla vierailulla Neuvostoliittoon.
“…Kekkonen said he wished he had more to report, but that his journey turned out to be even more of a hunting trip than he had expected. He said there was less political talk than on any of his trips to the Soviet Union…”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/kennedyjf/xvi/63930.htm
246. Memorandum of Conversation
//Source: Department of State, Central Files, POL 7 Fin. Secret; Eyes Only. Drafted by Gordon and initialed by Rowan.
Helsinki, December 13, 1963.
SUBJECT
Discussion with President Kekkonen
PARTICIPANTS
President Kekkonen, Max Jakobson, Director of Political Affairs, Ambassador Carl T. Rowan, and Mr. Glenn Gordon, USIS, Interpreter
President Kekkonen began by saying that his recent trip to Moscow/1/ served to confirm his views as to the attitude of the Soviet Union toward the Johnson Administration--that is, that it would follow the same line as the Kennedy Administration./2/ Kekkonen said he assumed that he was at liberty to tell Khrushchev of his discussion with Ambassador Rowan about the views and attitudes of President Johnson,/3/ and that he did so. Khrushchev reportedly was pleased to have Kekkonen's report, and both Khrushchev and Gromyko emphasized their desire to continue to cooperate with the United States and the West.
/1/Kekkonen visited the Soviet Union November 29 - December 4.
/2/President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas on November 22.
/3/Rowan had discussed the policies of the Johnson administration with Kekkonen on November 27. He reported on these discussions in telegram 302 from Helsinki, November 27. (Department of State, Central Files, POL 1 US)
Kekkonen said that the first thing that impressed him was Khru- shchev's good physical condition. At Novosibirsk in 1961 Khrushchev had seemed ill and fatigued. During this visit he hunted with great vigor and joked almost incessantly. Kekkonen concluded that Khrushchev apparently will be around awhile. Ambassador Rowan said that this was good to hear in as much as we know of no one on the Soviet scene who is certain to be any more reasonable than Khrushchev.
Kekkonen said he watched closely when Khrushchev was in the midst of Mikoyan, Kosygin, Malinovsky, Kozlov, Podgorny, and Polyansky and concluded that Khrushchev is in ``complete control." He said Khrushchev joked and talked freely, seeming to hold back nothing. He said Khrushchev appeared to be a man completely secure in his position. Kekkonen contrasted earlier visits when Khrushchev talked at length about Molotov and ``the anti-Party group" and felt it necessary to explain at great length his opposition to the Stalinists. This time Khrushchev seemed totally unworried by the anti-Party group.
Kekkonen said that for the first time he felt free to question Khrushchev about Stalin, and that Khrushchev talked very freely and frankly. Khrushchev said that during Stalin's last years the latter was mentally ill and hardly ever left the Kremlin. Khrushchev said that in 1951 he and Mikoyan were on a trip with Stalin when the latter often said, ``I don't trust anyone, not even myself!" Khrushchev said he and Mikoyan later got together and agreed that ``those were not the words of a sane man."
Kekkonen also discussed the Sino-Soviet split with Khrushchev who asserted that there is no real ideological difference, not even on the question of peaceful co-existence. But Khrushchev and other Soviet leaders admitted that they are befuddled by the strangely belligerent tone with which Red China states her position. Kekkonen said Red China troubles the Soviet Union ``and will continue to do so for a long time….
“…Kekkonen said he wished he had more to report, but that his journey turned out to be even more of a hunting trip than he had expected. He said there was less political talk than on any of his trips to the Soviet Union…”
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Vanhimmat
Olen suorastaan pöyristynyt, kun olen tuossa lueskellut tuota linkkiä. (Tallenna, ennenkuin se poistuu!!!!)
Tuskin Kekkonen sentään USA:n agentti oli - länsimielinen juoppo valtionpäämies ehkä.
Iha ko olisi klapil päähä lyät! Tuon ajan asioista.
MITEN jenkeillä voi olla noin tarkat muistiinpanot? ja miksi ne ovat jo nyt julki?
Eikös noissa ole se yleinen 50 vuotta se raja?
Kekkonen ei ollut koskaan juovuksissa Yhdysvaltain edustajia tavatessaan.
Kaikki Kekkosen kanssa käydyt keskustelut ovat tallessa ja niistä suurin osa vapaasti saatavilla kys. osoitteessa. (Ja myös pysyy)
Kyllä demarit voi pyytää dokumenttien osittaista julkisuuskieltoa Suome omien dokumenttiensa aikasalaisuuden vuoksi. Nuohan ovat vasta kymmenen vuoden päästä julkisia Suomessa.
Stasi-listakin (Rosenholtz) on vastaavalla tavalla suojattu näkymästä suomalaisilla palvelimilla NSA:n toimesta. Näkyy esimerkiksi Romaniassa ja Espanjassa. Eipä kyllä siellä ketään kiinnostavaa nimeä näy.
Siitähän se meteli nousisi!
Hyvä, että tositietoa on saatavilla edes jostakin tässä demarien komentotaloudessa.
Millähän Lehtinen ja Rautkallio yrittävät seuraavassa kirjassaan mitätöidä Kekkosen läheiset USA-suhteet?
Kennedyn kanssa vetäisivät kuulemma kaksi viskigrogia. Siinä Kekkosen juopottelut. Merkki oli sitä Kennedyn suosimaa.
(-; ?
Kaksoisagentti rahasti todennäköisesti vapaalta maailmalta enemmän kuin kommunisteilta. Toisaalta kommunistien henkilökohtaiset lounaat ruokajuomineen olivat runsaammat.
Näillä saiteilla on yhteinen jälkiviisaiden porukka, joka pyrkii mollaamaan niitä miehiä ja naisia, jotka sentään pystyivät säilyttämään rauhantilan näillä kulmilla. Sopii tehdä perässä.