Eräs entinen muslimi, joka kääntyi kristinuskoon tilittää, miksi ja miten hänestä tuli kristitty. Mielestäni tässä on varsin aiheellisia kommentteja.
Fasad kertoi lukeneensa uudentestamentin, kannesta kanteen. Luettuaan kirjan hän oli vakuuttunut, kristinusko ja islam ei ole lähtöisin samasta jumalasta. Fasad oli myös varma, että Muhamed ei ollut rakkauden jumalan lähettämä. Fasad oli huomannut kasvaneensa kasvottoman ja epätasa-arvoisen uskonnon keskellä, eikä hänelle aikaisemmin oltu suotu mahdollisuutta vertailla objektiivisesti uskontoja keskenään.
Fasadin mielestä se, että kristinuskoa levitettiin miekalla johtui ihmisen itsekkäistä pyrkimyksistä, Jeesus ei kehoita ihmisiä tarttumaan miekkaan, päinvastoin, meidän on käännettävä toinenkin poski väärintekijälle. Toisaalta Koraani ja profeetta Muhamed kehoittaa taistelemaan ja levittämään islamia miekalla, islamin juuret ovat siis syvällä väkivallassa, eikä islamin väkivalta tule koskaan loppumaan onnelisesti. Profeetta Muhamed eli tappaen ja ryöstäen, Fasad ei halua omien lastensa seuraavan tällaista esimerkkiä. Siinä vaiheessa kun Fasad tajusi, että koraani ja Muhamedin elämän seuraaminen oli kaksijakoista ja ristiriitaista, lähes jakomielitautista, hän oppi kyseenalaistamaan väkivallan ja näkemään perheensäkin uudessa valossa.
Fasadin mielestä jumalan lähettämä henkilö ei voi puhua rakkaudesta, jos hän jo seuraavassa suurassa katkoo päitä, se ei ole jumalallista. Fasadin mielestä, lukutaidon ja koulutuksen lisääntyessä yhä useammat muslimit tulevat huomaamaan saman asian. Ei sen paremmin kristitty kuin muslimikaan kykene elämään synnittömänä, kuin poikkeustapauksissa.
Toivottavasti käännös meni oikein...
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Yhteistä molemmille uskonnoille - kuten uskonnoille yleensä - on kuitenkin se, että niiden nimissä on harjoitettu väkivaltaa ja toisten ihmisten alistamista.
Kaikki uskonnot ovat pohjimmiltaan puhdasta vallankäyttöä ja manipulointia: jos olet kiltti tyttö ja teet niinkuin sanotaan, saat kivaa paratiisissa; jos et tottele meitä, palat helvetin liekeissä.
Muun muassa J. Lennon on hyvin kiteyttänyt ihanteen uskonnottomasta maailmasta:
Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one- Esko
kyllästymiseen asti.
>>Yhteistä molemmille uskonnoille - kuten uskonnoille yleensä - on kuitenkin se, että niiden nimissä on harjoitettu väkivaltaa ja toisten ihmisten alistamista.
Tämä on järjetön kommentti uskonnon tarkastelun yhteydessä. Kun sanotaan "uskontojen nimissä", silloin ei tarkastella uskontoa vaan ihmisten tekemisiä. Tuo lause on siis pelkkää tyhmyyttä.
Pitääkö vielä kertoa, että uskontoja tarkastellessa pitää katsoa mitä uskonto opettaa kirjoituksissaan? Kristinusko ei kehota väkivaltaan, mutta islam kehottaa. Siksi uskontoja ei pidä niputtaa yhteen.
Kristinuskon opetus vaatii ihmisiltä hyvin paljon ja siksi monetkin eivät pidä siitä. He eivät halua itsekuria ja sellaista kristinusko on. Islam on toisenlaista tässäkin ja muslimi vaatii toisille kovaa kuria, mutta ei itselleen. Sellaista oli Muhammedinkin elämä. Hän ryösteli ja raiskasi ja nautti seksistä vangittujen naisten kansaa.
Jeesus ja Muhammed antoivat aivan erilaisen esimerkin seuraajilleen. - ...
Esko kirjoitti:
kyllästymiseen asti.
>>Yhteistä molemmille uskonnoille - kuten uskonnoille yleensä - on kuitenkin se, että niiden nimissä on harjoitettu väkivaltaa ja toisten ihmisten alistamista.
Tämä on järjetön kommentti uskonnon tarkastelun yhteydessä. Kun sanotaan "uskontojen nimissä", silloin ei tarkastella uskontoa vaan ihmisten tekemisiä. Tuo lause on siis pelkkää tyhmyyttä.
Pitääkö vielä kertoa, että uskontoja tarkastellessa pitää katsoa mitä uskonto opettaa kirjoituksissaan? Kristinusko ei kehota väkivaltaan, mutta islam kehottaa. Siksi uskontoja ei pidä niputtaa yhteen.
Kristinuskon opetus vaatii ihmisiltä hyvin paljon ja siksi monetkin eivät pidä siitä. He eivät halua itsekuria ja sellaista kristinusko on. Islam on toisenlaista tässäkin ja muslimi vaatii toisille kovaa kuria, mutta ei itselleen. Sellaista oli Muhammedinkin elämä. Hän ryösteli ja raiskasi ja nautti seksistä vangittujen naisten kansaa.
Jeesus ja Muhammed antoivat aivan erilaisen esimerkin seuraajilleen.miehen impotenssi ei ole nähty naisen avioeron syyksi joku Islamin (tuomari) maassa! Mitä sanoisit tästä?
http://www.ess.fi/lukijansanaArticle.jsp?article=155207&category=1580&main=40
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kysyä, mitä mieltä hän on VT:n 'Rakkauden Jumalasta'? Sama vai eri?
- kouluun ja opettele historian
BCE to 4th Century: The Roman Empire tolerated Jews until Christianity took over
The Roman way was tolerance. They allowed religious groups to order their own internal affairs according to their own religious rules. They allowed most religions to exist alongside each other, with the Emperors having various religious affiliations. Sometimes certain cults and sects were suppressed, sometimes bloodily and violently, but historically there was no other empire so tolerant and accepting of a multitude of religious beliefs as under Roman rule.
As Jewish Christianity arose within Judea, inside the Roman Empire, its fundamentally Jewish beliefs combined with pagan sun worshipping religions such as Mithraism and other Roman influences. Pauline Christianity, which is the Christianity we know, was very similar to Judaism and the original Gnostic Christianity. It was these two close neighbours that Christianity first came to view as its two greatest competitors and enemies; all three had similar beliefs, all three competed for the same types of religious convert. But gnostic Christianity and the priestly castes of Judaism were both peaceful. Pauline Christianity was bloodthirsty.
"After the first century, Christianity also crystallized, and the relations of Judaism and Christianity were wholly hostile and external; as we shall see, Christianity powerfully stimulated anti-Semitism. Throughout the Middled Ages, Jews had no part in the culture of Christian countries, and were too severely persecuted to be able to make contributions to civilisation [...]. It was only among the Muhammedans, at that period, that Jews were treated humanely, and were able to pursue philosophy [...]"
"History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell, p324
"Within only a few decades of the Crucifixion, many converts to Christianity had already chosen to forget that the four evangelists, the twelve apostles and even Christ himself had been devout and practising Jews", "All that was well done in the Old Testament or that might be interpreted as proof of Messianic authority, the Christians claimed for themselves; the failures and denunciations they allotted to the Jews". The Jews saw the plundering and abuse of their own holy texts and themselves wrote on the life of Jesus. "Christian writers retaliated with hideous accounts of Jewish depravity". "It is here, in the rantings of the early Church Fathers against the Jews, that the first fertile seeds lie buried in the hysterical anti-semitism that was to become so rampant in the Middle Ages.". Quotes taken from "The Medieval Underworld" by Andrew McCall, p259-260.
Even before the Church was the official religion of the Roman Empire, when it was still autonomous, it was producing official anti-Judaism legislation. For example in 306CE "The church Synod of Elvira banned marriages, sexual intercourse and community contacts between Christians and Jews." [Quote: ReligiousTolerance.org: Christian persecution of Jews]
The aggressive Pauline Christianity gained the upper hand in the 4th century. The Roman Empire became a Christian Empire and under Emperor Constantine from the 4th century "theological diatribes" against the Jews began to appear in law. The first bloodshed was the finalisation of the slaughter of all the gnostics and the destruction and oppression of Judaism. The Roman Empire, once a multicultural tolerant nation became a theocracy ruled by Christian intolerance; and this influence spread through the Roman Empire to all of the Western world. Where Christianity had a stronger foothold, the Jews and non-Christians were persecuted and slaughtered more mercilessly than at any other time.
Due to this "religious fanaticism of such intensity" Jews were forced to live separately, were striped of wealth, belongings and all rights, they were reduced to slavery, ceremonially and regularly dehumanized, scapegoated, humiliated and slaughtered by Christian powers. This intolerance combined with complete enforced ignorance and superstition in all areas of life, resulted in the Dark Ages; that period in the Middle Ages when all of Europe was under the brooding, monstrous shadow of a bloodthirsty, out-of-control, corrupt Christian Church ruled from Rome. Roman Catholicism became most successful and bloodthirsty religion the world has ever known.
"Mixed marriages between Jews and Christians were punished by death. In the Codex Thedosians of the Emperor Theodosius II (408-450), the Jews were forbidden to hold any public office or function or to build new synagogues. Justinian completed this process of discrimination against the Jews in the 6th century by outlawing them altogether with all pagans and 'heretics'."
"The misery of Christianity - a plea for Humanity without God" by Joachin Kahl, 1968, p55
The Christian anti-Judaism hatred spread further and further... this trend lasted a full one thousand years before it began to abate.
315: Constantine published the Edict of Milan. [...] Jews lost many rights with this edict. They were no longer permitted to live in Jerusalem, or to proselytize.
325: The Council of Nicea decided to separate the celebration of Easter from the Jewish Passover. They stated: "For it is unbecoming beyond measure that on this holiest of festivals we should follow the customs of the Jews. Henceforth let us have nothing in common with this odious people...We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews...our worship follows a...more convenient course...we desire dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews...How, then, could we follow these Jews, who are almost certainly blinded."
337: Christian Emperor Constantius created a law which made the marriage of a Jewish man to a Christian punishable by death.
339: Converting to Judaism became a criminal offence.
343-381: The Laodicean Synod approved Cannon XXXVIII: "It is not lawful [for Christians] to receive unleavened bread from the Jews, nor to be partakers of their impiety."
367 - 376: St. Hilary of Poitiers referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever. St. Ephroem refers to synagogues as brothels.
379-395: Emperor Theodosius the Great permitted the destruction of synagogues if it served a religious purpose. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire at this time.
380: The bishop of Milan was responsible for the burning of a synagogue; he referred to it as "an act pleasing to God."
415: The Bishop of Alexandria, St. Cyril, expelled the Jews from that Egyptian city.
415: St. Augustine wrote "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus."
418: St. Jerome, who created the Vulgate translation of the Bible wrote of a synagogue: "If you call it a brothel, a den of vice, the Devil's refuge, Satan's fortress, a place to deprave the soul, an abyss of every conceivable disaster or whatever you will, you are still saying less than it deserves."
489 - 519: Christian mobs destroyed the synagogues in Antioch, Daphne (near Antioch) and Ravenna.
List taken from ReligiousTolerance.org: Christian persecution of Jews
6th-11th Century: Non-Christian Cultures were not Anti-semitic or Intolerant
It wasn't just the Roman Empire that tolerated Jews and multiple religions. Most surrounding cultures did too. It was only with the rise of Christianity that the world saw bloodthirsty, immoral and fundamentalist intolerance for freedom of belief. Non-Christian cultures around the growing darkness of Christianity were tolerant of Jews and others, including fledgling Christian communities, but Christian theology was not a well behaved child; its founders and theology was deeply intolerant of any knowledge or ways of life that was non-Christian. The most Christian countries were the most anti-semitic, the more the anti-Jewish rhetoric and legislation spread from the Christian Churches, the worse the violence became.
Spain
Under the Moors(MUSLIMS) and the Arian Kings of Spain Christians and Jews could both practice their religions freely.
"But to this relatively satisfactory situation the conversion of King Recared (589) and his successors to Catholicism soon put a stop. From the moment the voice of Catholic orthodoxy gained the royal ear [...] and throughout the seventh century, a series of Church canons and royal enactments complemented one another in a rising crescendo of anti-Jewish measures that was to culminate, at the end of the same century, in the total destruction of Spanish Jewry."
"The Medieval Underworld" by Andrew McCall, p261
"The seventeenth Church Council of Toledo bound over every Spanish Jew [...] into perpetual slavery. Whatever their intentions in 694, there can have been few Jewish slaves who regretted the annihilation in 711 of the Visigoth kingdom at the hands of the Moors, under whom the subject peoples, both Christians and Jews, were permitted to practice their own religions in a more tolerant atmosphere of cultural exchange"
"The Medieval Underworld" by Andrew McCall p263
France
One European purge of Jews centered around the widespread Christian belief that the end of the world was going to occur in 1033, the 1000th anniversary of the fable of the crucifixion of Jesus. France had also succumbed, after centuries of toleration, to the Christian anti-Jewish ravings.
"In France some Christians sought to prepare the way for the return of the Saviour by forcibly baptising or murdering Jews"
"The Medieval Underworld" by Andrew McCall, p215
Western Europe
All of Western Europe gradually came to be as bad as main Catholic countries as Catholicism's power continued to increase and spread, even to Germany which had, before Christianity, had high morals and tolerated Jews.
Religious Tolerance.org note that persecution and outlawing of a Jew would stop if he converted to Christianity:
528: Emperor Justinian (527-564) passed the Justinian Code. It prohibited Jews from building synagogues, reading the Bible in Hebrew, assemble in public, celebrate Passover before Easter, and testifying against Christians in court.
535: The "Synod of Claremont decreed that Jews could not hold public office or have authority over Christians."
538: The 3rd and 4th Councils of Orleans prohibited Jews from appearing in public during the Easter season. Canon XXX decreed that "From the Thursday before Easter for four days, Jews may not appear in the company of Christians." 5 Marriages between Christians and Jews were prohibited. Christians were prohibited from converting to Judaism.
561: The bishop of Uzes expelled Jews from his diocese in France.
612: Jews were not allowed to own land, to be farmers or enter certain trades.
613: Very serious persecution began in Spain. Jews were given the options of either leaving Spain or converting to Christianity. Jewish children over 6 years of age were taken from their parents and given a Christian education
692: Cannon II of the Quinisext Council stated: "Let no one in the priestly order nor any layman eat the unleavened bread of the Jews, nor have any familiar intercourse with them, nor summon them in illness, nor receive medicines from them, nor bathe with them; but if anyone shall take in hand to do so, if he is a cleric, let him be deposed, but if a layman, let him be cut off."
694: The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other Church Fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their responsibility for the execution of Jesus.
722: Leo III outlawed Judaism. Jews were baptized against their will.
855: Jews were exiled from Italy
1050: The Synod of Narbonne prohibited Christians from living in the homes of Jews.
1078: "Pope Gregory VII decreed that Jews could not hold office or be superiors to Christians."
1078: The Synod of Gerona forced Jews to pay church taxes
1096: The First Crusade was launched in this year. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims, Jews were a second target. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for 8 additional crusades until the 9th in 1272.
1099: The Crusaders forced all of the Jews of Jerusalem into a central synagogue and set it on fire. Those who tried to escape were forced back into the burning building.
List taken from ReligiousTolerance.org: Christian persecution of Jews
5. 11th-12th Century: The First Crusade: Muslims were tolerant of others, Christians were not
“Throughout the Middle Ages, the [Muslims] were more civilized and more humane than the Christians. Christians persecuted Jews, especially at times of religious excitement; the Crusades were associated with appalling pogroms. In Mohammedan countries, on the contrary, Jews at most times were not in any way ill treated. Especially in Moorish Spain [...].”
"History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell, p324
Germany and more Eastern countries were not anti-Jewish, and communities existed there peacefully. But with the Crusades, large Western Christian armies roamed Europe, having an unfortunate affect on many Jewish settlements. In 1095 Pope Urban II 'proclaimed the first Crusade, which produced a wave of religious enthusiasm [...] - also to atrocious pogroms of Jews'[Russell 1946, p423]. He continues; 'Christian armies began to advance into Germany, and the first to feel the edge of their weapons were the peaceful Jewish communities long-settled in the trading cities along the river-valleys of the Rhineland and the Danube.'
Crusaders said, "'Great tracts of country stand between us and the enemies of God whom we wish to conquer. It is absurd to begin this enterprise when before our eyes are the Jews, more hostile to God than any other race.'. Most men who wore the cross made little distinction between Jew and Muslim"5.
“By early 1096, they [including "monks who had absconded from their monasteries"] were already beginning to move south-eastwards, in bands large and small. [They] butchered as many Jews as they could lay their hands on and looted their property.”
"The Medieval Underworld" by Andrew McCall, p91
Chronicler Solomon bar Simson records an age-old Christian argument, "You are the children of those who killed the object of our veneration, hanging him on a tree. And he himself had said, "There will yet come a day when my children will come and avenge my blood." We are his children and it is therefore our duty to avenge him against you who disbelieve in him." [Michael Foss p59]
Tens of thousands were killed in total. Multiple communities were attacked including those at Cologne, Neuss, Eller, Xanten, Trier and Metz. Also different groups of Christians under multiple leaders, from Christian Monks to Christian Hermits, overwhelmed Jews in Prague, Ratisbon, Regensburg, and other places, after attempting forced conversions of the Jews to Christianity.
“Those [Jews] who were not massacred were often despoiled of their property and forcibly baptized. There were large-scale murders of Jews in Germany at the time of the first Crusade and in England, at the time of the third Crusade, on the accession of Richard Coeur de Lion. York, where the first Christian emperor had begun his reign, was the scene of one of the most appalling mass-atrocities against Jews. The Jews, before the Crusades, had almost a monopoly of the trade in Eastern goods throughout Europe; after the Crusades, as a result of the persecution of Jews, this trade was largely in Christian hands.”
Source Unkown - Russell (1946) or Foss (1997)
That Muslims were more tolerant towards Jews than Christians were are evidenced by the Jews reaction to the Christian armies that were murdering Jews en route to their holy lands. They allied with the Muslims.
Some Christians were horrified and ashamed by the actions of their comrades, and some of their written complaints survive. But the overwhelming vast majority of Christian texts and rhetoric were violently anti-Jew. The hatred was very specifically anti-Jew and not merely anti-pagan, it wasn't a blanket hatred as with "pagans" in general, but a directed hatred of the Jews in particular.
After the taking over of Jerusalem from the Muslims by the Christian armies, the Muslims hoped to reclaim their territory but they weren't the only ones who wanted to see the Christian aggressors removed:
“Nor were the Muslims the only ones to hope for a return to Islam. For generations, apart for some years of madness under Caliph al-Hakim, the Jews of the land and the city had, on the whole, been treated with tolerance by the Muslim rulers of Palestine. Yet what had the Christians done? Among the first monstrous acts of their presence in Jerusalem they had shut Jews in a synagogue and burnt them alialive.”
"People of the First Crusade" by Michael Foss, p183
The Jews reminisced over the temperate Muslim government, the safety, stability and tolerance of Muslim rule. It had all been replaced by Christian war, blood, danger, instability and fierce anti-semitism. The Muslims had also allowed the co-existence of Orthodox Greek Christians, and also Christian Copts, Syrians, Jacobites and Armenians. These relatively peaceful Christian groups were all oppressed by the new Christians proclaiming Latin patriarchy. The Catholics destroyed all peace in the whole middle East. The more pagan Christians, peaceful and tolerant, were shocked at how low and barbaric Western Christianity had become.
more from here:
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/antisemitism.html#Types
Christianity created anti-semitism. All anti-semitism has been made possible because of the teachings of early and middle ages Christianity. In the early centuries the Roman Empire tolerated most religions including Judaism until Christianity took over; after which it became a monster and oppressor of any non-Christian belief systems.
Muslims, pagans and Jews all had superior moral systems to the Christian intolerance and violence towards anything non-Christian. No other religion has displayed such immovable hatred towards another religion as Christianity did towards the Jews. No holy war has ever lasted so long and been so bloody as the one the Christians waged against innocent Jews. History provides us with only few occasions where Jews, or even Muslims or pagans, were as intolerant or morally corrupt as the West was under Christian rule.
References:
Ehrman, Bart"Lost Christianities" (2003 hardback). Oxford University Press, New York, USA.
Foss, Michael "People of the First Crusade" (1997).
Heywood, Andrew "Political Ideologies" (2003 3rd ed). First edition 1992. Published by Palgrave MacMillan.
Kahl, Joachin "The Misery of Christianity - a Plea for Humanity without God".
Lewis, Bernard "Semites and Anti-Semites" (1986 hardback).
McCall, Andrew "The Medieval Underworld" (1979). Quotes from 2004 Sutton Publishing softback edition.
Perry, Marvin & Schweitzer, Frederick M. "Anti-Semitism" (2002 hardback). Published by Palgrave Macmillan.
Reynolds, Alfred "Jesus Versus Christianity" (1993 ed). Originally published 1988. Cambridge International Publishers, London UK.
Russell, Bertrand "History of Western Philosophy" (1946). Quotes from 2000 edition published by Routledge, London, UK.
Spencer, Robert "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam" (2005). Published in the United States by Regnery Publishing, Inc, Washington, DC.
Stewart, Robert (Consulting Editor) "Ideas that Shaped Our World" (1997). Quotes from original Marshall Editions hardback edition.
Thomson, Oliver "A History of Sin" (1993 hardback). Canongate Press.
Links:
Anti-Defamation League (www.adl.org)
www.ReligiousTolerance.org: An overview of 2000 Years of Jewish Persecution
holy-land-online.com: The Bloody History of God's Chosen City
holysmoke.org: Religion inspired suffering (especially of the Jews) in history
Notes:
Portions of text originally wrote in 2000 Apr 06, a rewrite of even older text with an unknown composition date.
2005 Mar 18: Added a quote from Bernard Lewis on types of anti-semitism, and quotes from Marvin Perry and Frederick M. Schweitzer.
2006 Jul 11: Added quotes from Russell (1946).
2006 Dec 24: Added quote from Dawkins (2006).
Foss (1997), p58-59. [Return to Text]
2007 Jan 21: Added quote from Spencer (2005) (posted further notes on greatestjournal.com.../vexen_crabtree), and lightly reformated the text on the First Crusade. - älä unohda Fasad
Kristillinen terrorismi on terrorismia, jota tehdään kristillisten oppien, arvojen ja tavoitteiden pohjalta.
Esimerkiksi aborttia vastustanut kristitty terroristi James Charles Kopp ampui Yhdysvalloissa aborttiklinikan lääkärin tohtori Barnett Slepian.
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristillinen_terrorismi
Vaikka uskonnollinen terrorismi nykyään liitetään tilastojen valossa useimmiten äärimuslimeihin, myös kristillistä terrorismia on esiintynyt kaikkialla maailmassa myöhäisantiikista lähtien.
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Esimerkkejä kristillisestä terrorismista ja hyökkäyksistä
1940-luvulla Yhdysvalloissa perustettiin Christian Identity -niminen terroristijärjestö, joka uskoi armageddonin olevan lähellä ja, että oli aika ryhtyä pyhään sotaan muslimeita, juutalaisia ja kaikkia ei-valkoisia vastaan.
1969–2001 kristityt terroristit ovat tappaneet yli 3 000 ihmistä Irlannissa, lähinnä pommi-iskuissa.
Vuonna 1987 Ugandassa perustettiin kristinuskoa ja afrikkalaista magiaa yhdistelevä Lord's Resistance Army, joka on surmannut arviolta 12 000 ihmistä.
1989 perustettiin äärikristillinen National Liberation Front of Tripura -terroristijärjestö, se pyrki itsenäisen Tripuran valtion irrottamiseen Intiasta. Ryhmän perustamisessa hääräsivät ilmeisesti tiiviisti mukana baptistikirkon lähettiläät.lähde? Järjestön arvioidaan surmanneen 11 000 ihmistä.lähde?
16. tammikuuta 1997 yhdysvaltalainen Eric Robert Rudolph räjäytti pommin homobaarissa, jonka seurauksena viisi ihmistä loukkaantui. Lisäksi Rudolph on suorittanut useita muita iskuja. Rudolph itse kieltää terrorisminsa uskonnollisen motivaation ja ilmoittaa kannattavansa Nietschen filosofiaa. [1]
2. lokakuuta 2004 kristitty terroristiryhmä tappoi 44 hindua ja haavoitti 118:a Intiassa. [2]
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Human bombs were also used by the Kurdish PKK against Turkey, the Sikhs in India.
Palestinian Archbishop tells Christians to take part in Suicide attacks against Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/821425/posts
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=node/2317
Dr. Attallah Hanna Sebastieh is the Archbishop of the Roman Orthodox Church in Jerusalem. Addressing a packed crowd at the Zayed Centre for Coordination and Follow-Up in the capital, Father Dr Attallah Hanna, official spokesman of the Orthodox Church in Jerusalem and the Holy Land, said last night he supported martyrdom by Palestinian men and women to fight for their just rights.
http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html
TAC: There have been many kinds of non-Islamic suicide terrorists, but have there been Christian suicide terrorists?
RP: Not from Christian groups per se, but in Lebanon in the 1980s, of those suicide attackers, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists. Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians.
Loula Abboud, a 19 year old female Lebanese Christian who blew herself up in 1985
http://www.theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=4223
Christian terrorist attempts car-bombing in Iowa
http://jdallen.org/news/christian-terrorist-attempts-car-bombing-in-iowa/
http://www.religiousrightwatch.com/2006/09/domestic_terror.html
Having been to Israel Palestine three times since June 2005 [refer to WAWA blog: December 21, 2005-January 6, 2006, March 11-March 27, 2006]
"""And having spoken with members of Hamas in Bethlehem and many Palestinian Christian and Muslim's throughout theWest Bank re:
What makes one strap on a bomb and commit suicide/homicide?
I was told:
1. there was a precipitating event: either they witnessed the killing of a family/friend and reacted out of anger/desire for vengence
2. they have lost all hope
3. nobody does for it the virgins
http://www.wearewideawake.org/ """
http://cobb.typepad.com/cobb/2006/09/christian_suici.html
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Twelve Christians from Poso face the death penalty for terrorism offences.
The trials of twelve Christian men accused of murdering two Muslims near Poso, Central Sulawesi, have begun at the South Jakarta District Court. The men are charged under both the 2002 Anti-Terrorism law and articles in the criminal code, and face the death penalty if convicted.
http://www.indonesiamatters.com/1204/christian-terrorists/
Terror plot: human bomb for Punjab leader sikhs human bombs
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1142555.cms
October 18th, 2006 Two days back LTTE suicide bombers attacked a naval base in Sri Lanka killing at least 103 and injuring another 150, a news that did not find much prominence in our mainstream media.For decades LTTE (Tamil tigers who are Hindu) have killed thousands in the Buddhist majority island nation. The modern suicide bombings were perfected by LTTE long before others and they have committed assacres after massacres.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God
The Army of God (AOG) is a "pro-life" terrorist[1] organization which holds that it is lawful and theologically justified to use force to end abortion in the United States.
The Army of God practices leaderless resistance, but several individuals have publicly associated themselves with the group:
Eric Rudolph who detonated bombs at abortion clinics, gay bars, and the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, GA.[5] He was the first to announce the then unknown "Army of God".
Clayton Waagner
Rev. Michael Bray, is considered the "chaplain of the Army of God".
Rev. Donald Spitz (head of Pro-Life Virginia and keeper of the AOG web site).
Others loosely affiliated with, or in some support of, the "AOG" include:
Neal Horsley occasional spokesman for AOG
Stephen Jordi, convicted of plotting clinic attacks.
John Brockhoeft
Father David Trosch
Dan Holman (Missionaries to the Preborn - Iowa)
Barry Kilbane
Bob Lokey
Gary McCullough (founder of "Prisoners of Christ")
Matthew Trewhella (Missionaries to the Preborn - Wisconsin)
Chuck Spingola of Unashamed & Associates, Newark OH
Drew Heiss
Troy Newman (current head of Operation Rescue)
Stephen Wetzel (Missionaries to the Unborn)- Esko
mahdollisuutta terrorismiin. Siksi terrorismin yhdistäminen kristinuskoon on täyttä pötyä. Terrorismi on harkittua ja suunniteltua väkivaltaa, eikä sellaisen suunnittelija voi olla kristitty.
>>Kristillinen terrorismi on terrorismia, jota tehdään kristillisten oppien, arvojen ja tavoitteiden pohjalta.
Mitään sellaisia oppeja ei ole kristinuskossa. Jos väität päinvastaista, sinun asiasi on todistaa väitteesi. - vain esko ja dhimmi
Esko kirjoitti:
mahdollisuutta terrorismiin. Siksi terrorismin yhdistäminen kristinuskoon on täyttä pötyä. Terrorismi on harkittua ja suunniteltua väkivaltaa, eikä sellaisen suunnittelija voi olla kristitty.
>>Kristillinen terrorismi on terrorismia, jota tehdään kristillisten oppien, arvojen ja tavoitteiden pohjalta.
Mitään sellaisia oppeja ei ole kristinuskossa. Jos väität päinvastaista, sinun asiasi on todistaa väitteesi.ovat oikeita kristittyjä. Kukaan muu ei ole.
Häirintyneet kristityt voivat perustella tekojaan raamatulla.
--
Matthew
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
Luke
God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and SLAY them before me." 19:22-27
John
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Acts
Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
1 Corinthians
If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
Ephesians
We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Colossians
God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians
God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
2 Thessalonians
Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
Hebrews
God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
Revelation
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
"I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
"Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
"They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful into holy war. 19:12-15
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21 - Esko
vain esko ja dhimmi kirjoitti:
ovat oikeita kristittyjä. Kukaan muu ei ole.
Häirintyneet kristityt voivat perustella tekojaan raamatulla.
--
Matthew
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
Luke
God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and SLAY them before me." 19:22-27
John
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Acts
Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32
The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
1 Corinthians
If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
Ephesians
We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Colossians
God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians
God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
2 Thessalonians
Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
Hebrews
God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
Revelation
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
"I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
"Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
"They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful into holy war. 19:12-15
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21Tämän palstan keskustelukielet ovat suomi ja ruotsi. Lue säännöt.
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Esko kirjoitti:
Tämän palstan keskustelukielet ovat suomi ja ruotsi. Lue säännöt.
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