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..auktoriteetin kyseenalaistamisesta. Tässä J.Krishnamurti (K) käsittelee aihetta opiskelijoiden kanssa:

"K: That's quite sensible - it is. Now, then the authority of governments. This is much more complex. The authority of the government says, you must become a soldier. In Europe you have to become a soldier for two years; fortunately not for women. In Switzerland, in France, in all the European countries, you have for two years you have to be a soldier. Do you accept that authority?

Q: If you don't, is there anything...

K: No, just think it out, look at it carefully. They say, 'We have to protect our country'. Right? In case of war we are prepared to fight the enemy. Have you ever heard of that phrase, a General says, 'We have met the enemy, it is us'. Have you heard of that phrase? Have you understood that phrase? We have met the enemy, it's us. We are the enemy to ourselves. Sorry! So find out. The government says - all governments, the most inefficient government also says, 'You must fight for the country'. There is a tremendous authority. Right? What's your response to that?

Q: If I was in that situation, and I was, say, a Swiss citizen, and I am asked to join the army, I wouldn't do it.

K: Then you would go to prison.

Q: No, I'd go to another country.

K: (Laughs) They won't let you.

Q: Well, there are ways.

K: Oh, yes. But you can never go back to your country again.

Q: Yes.

K: I know several people who have done this. But they can never can back to their own country. Is that the answer? Question, question what you are saying.

Q: Perhaps to some degree it is.

K: I said question, sir. Question what you will do when governments says you must become - you are conscripted, drafted, as they use the word in America - drafted - here the word is conscripted, and you are asked to join the army. That is supreme authority. Do you question that?

Q: By question, do you mean where authority comes from?

K: No. The government says you must.

Q: OK, what exactly do you mean by question?

K: I mean by question, we are questioning authority - you understand?

Q: It's not clear, I don't understand.

K: I've explained, sir, haven't I, haven't we? I told you the sticker in California, it said, 'Question authority'. That means do you accept authority. Where do you accept authority, where do you disregard authority? Right? Now, the government says to you, as you are a young man, or going to be when you are 18, 19, 20, says you must become a soldier for two years. And they give you other alternatives, which are rather boring; or when there is a war all the people, grown up boys and young men are conscripted. There is that authority of the government. Do you question that authority.

Q: Yes, but what can you do about it?

K: You are going to find out. We are going to find out. But first question, is that what you will do when somebody, government, asks you to become a soldier? This is a very complex problem this, I don't know if you can go into this. They say, 'We must protect our country'. Right? Right? So you have to question, what is our country?"


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..auktoriteetin kyseenalaistamisesta. Tässä J.Krishnamurti (K) käsittelee aihetta opiskelijoiden kanssa:

"K: That's quite sensible - it is. Now, then the authority of governments. This is much more complex. The authority of the government says, you must become a soldier. In Europe you have to become a soldier for two years; fortunately not for women. In Switzerland, in France, in all the European countries, you have for two years you have to be a soldier. Do you accept that authority?

Q: If you don't, is there anything...

K: No, just think it out, look at it carefully. They say, 'We have to protect our country'. Right? In case of war we are prepared to fight the enemy. Have you ever heard of that phrase, a General says, 'We have met the enemy, it is us'. Have you heard of that phrase? Have you understood that phrase? We have met the enemy, it's us. We are the enemy to ourselves. Sorry! So find out. The government says - all governments, the most inefficient government also says, 'You must fight for the country'. There is a tremendous authority. Right? What's your response to that?

Q: If I was in that situation, and I was, say, a Swiss citizen, and I am asked to join the army, I wouldn't do it.

K: Then you would go to prison.

Q: No, I'd go to another country.

K: (Laughs) They won't let you.

Q: Well, there are ways.

K: Oh, yes. But you can never go back to your country again.

Q: Yes.

K: I know several people who have done this. But they can never can back to their own country. Is that the answer? Question, question what you are saying.

Q: Perhaps to some degree it is.

K: I said question, sir. Question what you will do when governments says you must become - you are conscripted, drafted, as they use the word in America - drafted - here the word is conscripted, and you are asked to join the army. That is supreme authority. Do you question that?

Q: By question, do you mean where authority comes from?

K: No. The government says you must.

Q: OK, what exactly do you mean by question?

K: I mean by question, we are questioning authority - you understand?

Q: It's not clear, I don't understand.

K: I've explained, sir, haven't I, haven't we? I told you the sticker in California, it said, 'Question authority'. That means do you accept authority. Where do you accept authority, where do you disregard authority? Right? Now, the government says to you, as you are a young man, or going to be when you are 18, 19, 20, says you must become a soldier for two years. And they give you other alternatives, which are rather boring; or when there is a war all the people, grown up boys and young men are conscripted. There is that authority of the government. Do you question that authority.

Q: Yes, but what can you do about it?

K: You are going to find out. We are going to find out. But first question, is that what you will do when somebody, government, asks you to become a soldier? This is a very complex problem this, I don't know if you can go into this. They say, 'We must protect our country'. Right? Right? So you have to question, what is our country?"


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