Järjen Valo ja kreationismi

Yleensä kehitysopillista maailmankatsomusta
kannattavien väitteissä kuulee, ettei kukaan
rationaalinen ihminen kannata kreationismia.
Todellisuudessa Järjen Valo taitaa olla
pikemminkin kreationisteilla ilmenevä
ominaisuus...

Terv. Morigam, nuoren maan kreationisti


BIBLE-BELIEVING SCIENTISTS OF THE PAST
by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.

One of the self-serving arguments of modern
evolutionists is their rather arrogant claim that
creationist scientists are not real scientists.
No matter that a large number of creationists
have earned authentic Ph.D. degrees in science,
hold responsible scientific positions and have
published numerous scientific articles and books—
if they are creationists, they are not true
scientists! In a Letter-to-the-Editor, Steven
Schafersman, of Rice University's Department of
Geology, says, for example: "I dispute Henry
Morris's claim that thousands of scientists are
creationists. No scientist today questions the
past and present occurrence of evolution in the
organic world. Those ‘thousands of creationists'
with legitimate post-graduate degrees and other
appropriate credentials are not scientists,
precisely because they have abandoned the
scientific method and the scientific attitude,
criteria far more crucial to the definition of
scientist than the location or duration of one's
training or the identity of one's employer"
(Geotimes, August 1981, P. 11).

Thus modern creationists are conveniently
excluded as scientists merely by definition!
Science does not mean "knowledge" or "truth,"
or "facts," as we used to think, but "naturalism"
or "materialism," according to this new
definition. The very possibility of a Creator is
prohibited by majority vote of the scientific
fraternity, and one who still wishes to believe
in God must forfeit his membership.

Well, no matter. At least we creationist
scientists can take comfort in the fact that many
of the greatest scientists of the past were
creationists and for that matter, were also Bible-
believing Christians, men who believed in the
inspiration and authority of the Bible, as well
as in the deity and saving work of Jesus Christ.
They believed that God had supernaturally created
all things, each with its own complex structure
for its own unique purpose. They believed that,
as scientists, they were "thinking God's thoughts
after Him," learning to understand and control
the laws and processes of nature for God's glory
and man's good. They believed and practiced
science in exactly the same way that modern
creationist scientists do.

And somehow this attitude did not hinder them in
their commitment to the "scientific method." In
fact one of them, Sir Francis Bacon, is credited
with formulating and establishing the scientific
method! They seem also to have been able to
maintain a proper "scientific attitude," for it
was these men (Newton, Pasteur, Linnaeus,
Faraday, Pascal, Lord Kelvin, Maxwell, Kepler,
etc.) whose researches and analyses led to the
very laws and concepts of science which brought
about our modern scientific age. The mechanistic
scientists of the present are dwarfed in
comparison to these intellectual giants of the
past. Even the achievements of an Einstein (not
to mention Darwin!) are trivial in comparison.
The real breakthroughs, the new fields, the most
beneficial discoveries of science were certainly
not delayed (in fact probably were hastened) by
the creationist motivations of these great
founders of modern science.

TABLE I: SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED
BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)
HENRI FABRE (1823-1915)
MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
JOHN AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)
WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
JOSEPH LISTER (1827-1912)
JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
GREGOR MENDEL (1822-1884)
ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
GEORGE STOKES (1819-1903)
LEONARDO DA VINCI (1452-1519)
MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
JOHN RAY (1627-1705)
BERNHARD RIEMANN (1826- 1866)
DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
JOHN WOODWARD (1665-1728)
RUDOLPH VIRCHOW (1821-1902)
JAMES JOULE (1818-1889)
STRATIGRAPHY NICHOLAS STENO (1631-1686)
CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)


TABLE II: NOTABLE INVENTIONS, DISCOVERIES
OR DEVELOPMENTS BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
JOSEPH HENRY (1797-1878)
JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
JOHN HERSCHEL (1792-1871)
WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)
FRANCIS BACON (1561-1626)
SAMUEL F.B. MORSE (1791-1872)
AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)


Nor should anyone suppose that their commitment
to theism and creationism was only because they
were not yet acquainted with modern philosophies.
Many were strong opponents of Darwinism (Agassiz,
Pasteur, Lord Kelvin, Maxwell, Dawson, Virchow,
Fabre, Fleming, etc.). Even those who lived
before Darwin were strong opponents of earlier
evolutionary systems, not to mention pantheism,
atheism, and other such anti-supernaturalist
philosophies, which were every bit as prevalent
then as now.

To illustrate the caliber and significance of
these great scientists of the past, Tables I and
II have been prepared. These tabulations are not
complete lists, of course, but at least are
representative and they do point up the absurdity
of modern assertions that no true scientist can
be a creationist and Bible-believing Christian.

Table I lists the creationist "fathers" of many
significant branches of modern science. Table II
lists the creationist scientists responsible for
various vital inventions, discoveries, and other
contributions to mankind. These identifications
are to some degree oversimplified, of course, for
even in the early days of science every new
development involved a number of other
scientists, before and after. Nevertheless, in
each instance, a strong case can be made for
attributing the chief responsibility to the
creationist scientist indicated. At the very
least, his contribution was critically important
and thus supports our contention that belief in
creation and the Bible helps, rather than
hinders, scientific discovery.

In each case, the scientists listed were strict
creationists, unreservedly believing in the Bible
and the God of the Bible. Some were "progressive
creationists," but none were theistic
evolutionists, so far as can be determined. They
came from a variety of denominational backgrounds
and doctrinal persuasions, but all were at least
professing Christians, committed to the basic
doctrines of Christianity. Additional
biographical data concerning both their Christian
convictions and their scientific contributions
have been compiled recently by the writer for a
chapter in a future book and it has been a great
personal blessing to share in their lives and
studies in this way. The mere listing of their
names in these summary Tables may seem
impersonal, but even this bare compilation is
impressive.

The scientific achievements of modern creationist
scientists do not yet measure up to those of
these earlier creationists (neither do the
attainments of modern evolutionists for that
matter), but we at least have the same beliefs,
the same motivations and the same spiritual
resources. There is a much greater weight of
establishment prejudice to overcome today, but
the God of Robert Boyle and the God of Clerk
Maxwell is still the same "Creator, who is
blessed for ever" (Romans 1:25), "Lord, it is
nothing with thee to help, whether with many, or
with them that have no power: help us, 0 Lord our
God: for we rest on thee, and in thy name we go
against this multitude. 0 Lord, thou art our God;
let not man prevail against thee." (II Chronicles
14:11).
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Vanhimmat

Kirjaston päätteeltä käsin on paha keskustella
pitkään..
mutta voisi mainita lisäksi, että tämä Morris on
myös ehdotellut että kuun kraatterit
(lähde American Scientist ) ovat syntyneet
arkkienkeli Gabrielin ja Saatanan välisestä
"lumipallo" tappelusta, heitelleet meteoriitteja
ja että maapallo on ontto (ehkä siellä on ne
kadotetut ?) ja että ei edes tunnu tietäneen että
taivaalla on muuttuvia tähtiä tunnettu jo ennen
Newtonia (kirjoittanut vakaasta tähtitaivaasta
ICR artikkelin).

Hydrauliikan tohtorin evoluutiotuntemusta voi
ylipäätään epäillä..

Joskus enempi ja asiakohtaisemmin..
terv. Mr.K.A.T.
Btw,Newton kielsi Jeesuksen jumaluuden.. ja
harrasti salatieteitä ..oliko hän ateisti ?

Äänestä

Olen nähnyt tuon lista täälla aiemminkin. Kannattaa huomata, että viimeisinkin noista historian suurmiehistä on kuollut jo yli 50 vuotta sitten. Mikäli samainen lista tehtäisiin vaikkapa 1900-luvulla syntyneistä, olisi se huomattavan lyhyt...

Äänestä

kerran kun lapioit paskaa, niin tee se suomeksi.
Menee silloin edes joku asia kohdalleen.

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Morigam kirjoitti:

Yleensä kehitysopillista maailmankatsomusta
kannattavien väitteissä kuulee, ettei kukaan
rationaalinen ihminen kannata kreationismia.
Todellisuudessa Järjen Valo taitaa olla
pikemminkin kreationisteilla ilmenevä
ominaisuus...

Terv. Morigam, nuoren maan kreationisti


BIBLE-BELIEVING SCIENTISTS OF THE PAST
by Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.

One of the self-serving arguments of modern
evolutionists is their rather arrogant claim that
creationist scientists are not real scientists.
No matter that a large number of creationists
have earned authentic Ph.D. degrees in science,
hold responsible scientific positions and have
published numerous scientific articles and books—
if they are creationists, they are not true
scientists! In a Letter-to-the-Editor, Steven
Schafersman, of Rice University's Department of
Geology, says, for example: "I dispute Henry
Morris's claim that thousands of scientists are
creationists. No scientist today questions the
past and present occurrence of evolution in the
organic world. Those ‘thousands of creationists'
with legitimate post-graduate degrees and other
appropriate credentials are not scientists,
precisely because they have abandoned the
scientific method and the scientific attitude,
criteria far more crucial to the definition of
scientist than the location or duration of one's
training or the identity of one's employer"
(Geotimes, August 1981, P. 11).

Thus modern creationists are conveniently
excluded as scientists merely by definition!
Science does not mean "knowledge" or "truth,"
or "facts," as we used to think, but "naturalism"
or "materialism," according to this new
definition. The very possibility of a Creator is
prohibited by majority vote of the scientific
fraternity, and one who still wishes to believe
in God must forfeit his membership.

Well, no matter. At least we creationist
scientists can take comfort in the fact that many
of the greatest scientists of the past were
creationists and for that matter, were also Bible-
believing Christians, men who believed in the
inspiration and authority of the Bible, as well
as in the deity and saving work of Jesus Christ.
They believed that God had supernaturally created
all things, each with its own complex structure
for its own unique purpose. They believed that,
as scientists, they were "thinking God's thoughts
after Him," learning to understand and control
the laws and processes of nature for God's glory
and man's good. They believed and practiced
science in exactly the same way that modern
creationist scientists do.

And somehow this attitude did not hinder them in
their commitment to the "scientific method." In
fact one of them, Sir Francis Bacon, is credited
with formulating and establishing the scientific
method! They seem also to have been able to
maintain a proper "scientific attitude," for it
was these men (Newton, Pasteur, Linnaeus,
Faraday, Pascal, Lord Kelvin, Maxwell, Kepler,
etc.) whose researches and analyses led to the
very laws and concepts of science which brought
about our modern scientific age. The mechanistic
scientists of the present are dwarfed in
comparison to these intellectual giants of the
past. Even the achievements of an Einstein (not
to mention Darwin!) are trivial in comparison.
The real breakthroughs, the new fields, the most
beneficial discoveries of science were certainly
not delayed (in fact probably were hastened) by
the creationist motivations of these great
founders of modern science.

TABLE I: SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES ESTABLISHED
BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
ROBERT BOYLE (1627-1691)
GEORGES CUVIER (1769-1832)
HENRI FABRE (1823-1915)
MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
JOHN AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)
WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
JOSEPH LISTER (1827-1912)
JAMES CLERK MAXWELL (1831-1879)
GREGOR MENDEL (1822-1884)
ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
LORD RAYLEIGH (1842-1919)
JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
GEORGE STOKES (1819-1903)
LEONARDO DA VINCI (1452-1519)
MATTHEW MAURY (1806-1873)
BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
LOUIS AGASSIZ (1807-1873)
WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
JOHN RAY (1627-1705)
BERNHARD RIEMANN (1826- 1866)
DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
JOHN WOODWARD (1665-1728)
RUDOLPH VIRCHOW (1821-1902)
JAMES JOULE (1818-1889)
STRATIGRAPHY NICHOLAS STENO (1631-1686)
CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)


TABLE II: NOTABLE INVENTIONS, DISCOVERIES
OR DEVELOPMENTS BY CREATIONIST SCIENTISTS

LORD KELVIN (1824-1907)
CHARLES BABBAGE (1792-1871)
BLAISE PASCAL (1623-1662)
LOUIS PASTEUR (1822-1895)
JAMES SIMPSON (1811-1870)
CAROLUS LINNAEUS (1707-1778)
WILLIAM HERSCHEL (1738-1822)
MICHAEL FARADAY (1791-1867)
JOSEPH HENRY (1797-1878)
JOHANN KEPLER (1571-1630)
JOHN HERSCHEL (1792-1871)
WILLIAM RAMSAY (1852-1916)
DAVID BREWSTER (1781-1868)
ISAAC NEWTON (1642-1727)
HUMPHREY DAVY (1778-1829)
FRANCIS BACON (1561-1626)
SAMUEL F.B. MORSE (1791-1872)
AMBROSE FLEMING (1849-1945)


Nor should anyone suppose that their commitment
to theism and creationism was only because they
were not yet acquainted with modern philosophies.
Many were strong opponents of Darwinism (Agassiz,
Pasteur, Lord Kelvin, Maxwell, Dawson, Virchow,
Fabre, Fleming, etc.). Even those who lived
before Darwin were strong opponents of earlier
evolutionary systems, not to mention pantheism,
atheism, and other such anti-supernaturalist
philosophies, which were every bit as prevalent
then as now.

To illustrate the caliber and significance of
these great scientists of the past, Tables I and
II have been prepared. These tabulations are not
complete lists, of course, but at least are
representative and they do point up the absurdity
of modern assertions that no true scientist can
be a creationist and Bible-believing Christian.

Table I lists the creationist "fathers" of many
significant branches of modern science. Table II
lists the creationist scientists responsible for
various vital inventions, discoveries, and other
contributions to mankind. These identifications
are to some degree oversimplified, of course, for
even in the early days of science every new
development involved a number of other
scientists, before and after. Nevertheless, in
each instance, a strong case can be made for
attributing the chief responsibility to the
creationist scientist indicated. At the very
least, his contribution was critically important
and thus supports our contention that belief in
creation and the Bible helps, rather than
hinders, scientific discovery.

In each case, the scientists listed were strict
creationists, unreservedly believing in the Bible
and the God of the Bible. Some were "progressive
creationists," but none were theistic
evolutionists, so far as can be determined. They
came from a variety of denominational backgrounds
and doctrinal persuasions, but all were at least
professing Christians, committed to the basic
doctrines of Christianity. Additional
biographical data concerning both their Christian
convictions and their scientific contributions
have been compiled recently by the writer for a
chapter in a future book and it has been a great
personal blessing to share in their lives and
studies in this way. The mere listing of their
names in these summary Tables may seem
impersonal, but even this bare compilation is
impressive.

The scientific achievements of modern creationist
scientists do not yet measure up to those of
these earlier creationists (neither do the
attainments of modern evolutionists for that
matter), but we at least have the same beliefs,
the same motivations and the same spiritual
resources. There is a much greater weight of
establishment prejudice to overcome today, but
the God of Robert Boyle and the God of Clerk
Maxwell is still the same "Creator, who is
blessed for ever" (Romans 1:25), "Lord, it is
nothing with thee to help, whether with many, or
with them that have no power: help us, 0 Lord our
God: for we rest on thee, and in thy name we go
against this multitude. 0 Lord, thou art our God;
let not man prevail against thee." (II Chronicles
14:11).

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