Euroopan komission puheenjohtajan valinta johtaa liittovaltioon?

Vastaus tiedetään, mutta seuraukset ovat vielä näkemättä. Saksa on kannattunut Junckerin valintaa, samoin kuin Katainen keväällä. Toisin sanoen Saksa taitaa vaatia "bonustetuilta/mitalitetuilta" tyypeiltä lojaalisuutta tässä asiassa?

Ketkä muut kannattavat Junckeria?

No, kuinkas muuten kuin samat veijarit, joiden luona Katainenkin vierailee ja joille on lainat järjestyneet ja mm. velat muuttuneet "lähes saataviksi"? Rajoy lienee Saksan, Merkelin vasellikuntaa vai miksi niitä sanotaan, joilla on yhteinen johtaja?

Ulkomaat 23.6.2014 klo 15:07 | päivitetty 23.6.2014 klo 15:34
Espanja kannattaa Junckeria EU-komission johtoon
http://yle.fi/uutiset/espanja_kannattaa_junckeria_eu-komission_johtoon/7314721

Liittovaltion kannattajiin kuuluvat Saksan sosiaalidemokraatit:

Ulkomaat 21.6.2014 klo 16:07 | päivitetty 21.6.2014 klo 16:30
Sosiaalidemokraatit lupaavat tukea Junckeria EU-komission johtoon
http://yle.fi/uutiset/sosiaalidemokraatit_lupaavat_tukea_junckeria_eu-komission_johtoon/7312574

Ulkomaat 24.6.2014 klo 6:21 | päivitetty 24.6.2014 klo 8:06
EU:n tuolileikin tahti kiihtyy
http://yle.fi/uutiset/eun_tuolileikin_tahti_kiihtyy/7315839

Aika pitkä juttu.

Herra Katainen taisi olla suomalaisessa yhteiskunnassa Robin Hood, joka ryöväsi rahan tienaajilta ja siirsi kaiken mahdollisen omien tarkoitusperiensä edistämiseen?

Robin Hood
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood

Odotamme ja seurailemme, mitä "oveluuksia ja konnankoukkuja" hän hoksaa jatkossa suomalaisille järjestää EU-komissaarina? YLE:n johtaja, kokoomuslainen Lauri Kivinen taisi bonustaa henkilökuntansa, saadakseen sen pidättäytymään Kataisen kymmenen vuoden vallasjakson ajan sanailemasta kritiikkiä mistään hänen hoitamastaan toimenpiteestä. Tulos on nyt nähtävissä, Lauri Kivinen olisi nyt hyvä "heittää ulos" palliltaan. Osaako kokoomus senkin? Röyhkeys on sitä luokkaa, että suomalaiset eivät itsekään usko näkemäänsä ja kokemaansa, otsikon herran vallan aikana sekin nähtiin.

YLE:n toimittajilla on "puhdas" mieli ja omatunto, eihän täältä siirtynyt "paljon mitään", mitä nyt vain ihan vähän valtaa ja rahaa EU:lle, niin ettei kenelläkään ole enää mahdollisuutta muuttaa jo muutettuja lakeja. Keskiluokan elintaso hipoo 1980-luvun lukuja, köyhän ehkä 1970-luvun lopun lukuja?

Moni ei osaa olla etukäteen juonitteleva, vaikkapa kymmenen vuoden tähtäimellä. Sitä kyllä ennakoi erään kommentoijan tieto aikoinaan, kun kertoi, että meitä uhkaa maailmansota, ellei Suomi maksa Kreikka-tukea.

Tekopyhä sosiaalidemareiden federalistisiipi (="vapaamuurarisiipi") on nyt levittelemässä omaa työläisagendaansa, kun liittovaltiomiehet ovat hoitaneet hommat liittovaltion eduksi. Kuinkas nyt Jaakonsaarelle tulikaan pikkuhätä, kun rahat ja valta on "ryövätty" ja siirretty liittovaltion hoiteisiin? Hah hah, Jaakonsaari, itse ajoit tätä agendaa viimeisen päälle.

Voi, miten typerää, täysin rajaton poitikka, kunhan palkka juoksee! Tätä naista ihmettelen jatkuvasti yhä enemmän, täysi valevasemmistolainen tai suorastaan "oikeistolobbari", puhuu ja puhuu. "Tyhjät tynnyritä kolisevat eniten".

Konkaripoliitikko: Suomessa vakava ”sosiaalisen apartheidin” vaara
Uusi Suomi
Luotu: 24.6.2014 17:20
http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/70074-konkaripoliitikko-suomessa-vakava-sosiaalisen-apartheidin-vaara

Stubbi taitaa aloittaa myös liittovaltiokampanjointinsa? Hän oli itsenäisen Suomen lojaali poliitikko vain pari päivää. Riitti, että presidentti allekirjoitti kuka on vallassa ja pääministeri. Asiakirja- ja allekirjoitusoveluus ja -osaminen (="manipulointi") hohtaa läpi kaikesta, tällä usean puolueen liittovaltion kannattajakaartin touhuilulla. Stubbi taitaa mennä Kataiselle kaveriksi vallansiirtohommiin Brysseliin torstaina 26.6.2014.

Politiikka 24.6.2014 klo 19:07 | päivitetty 24.6.2014 klo 19:10
Stubb EU-komission puheenjohtajavalinnasta: Jos jonkun puolesta rahaa löisin, varmasti Junckerin - video

http://yle.fi/uutiset/stubb_eu-komission_puheenjohtajavalinnasta_jos_jonkun_puolesta_rahaa_loisin_varmasti_junckerin_-_video/7318141

Merkel offers Cameron consolation prize after Juncker defeat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10927968/Cameron-to-threaten-EU-with-consequences-if-Juncker-appointed.html

Europe news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/

Eilinen:

Jean-Claude Juncker: what is Britain's beef with the likely new EU Commission President
The Telegraph 4:05PM BST 26 Jun 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10928270/Jean-Claude-Juncker-what-is-Britains-beef-with-the-likely-new-EU-Commission-President.html

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The soon to be elected EU Commission President, Jean-Claude Juncker will prove a disappointing appointment for David Cameron, following his campaign to block Mr Juncker's nomination.

John Major was the first British PM to work with Mr Juncker and speaking of the experience recently Sir John said he wasn't a big enough political figure for the post.

During the Euro crisis, Mr Juncker was chair of the Eurozone's finance ministers and said he was for 'secret, dark debates' on how to solve the problems.

When he described himself as 'insufficiently democratic', it stoked Conservative fears now David Cameron thinks the federalist will prevent any repatriation of EU powers.

As Mr Juncker tries to pull Europe closer together - could he end up pushing Britain out in a referendum? "

Keskustelu, josta poimittu otteita. D. Cameron pelaa vähän niin kuin sisäpolitiikkaa, että näyttäisi siltä, kuinka hän yrittää vaatia uusia ehtoja sopimuksiin Englannille ja uudistuksia samalla muillekin maille. Osa keskustelijoista tuli siihen ajatukseen, että jos Englanti lähtisi pois EU:sta, Saksan autokauppa Britanniassa vaikeutuisi ja Saksa joutuisi u u d e l l e e n r a h o i t t a m a a n Albanian, joka liittyy myös EU:hun "lähes nollatilastaan". Suomen kannalta tuo ainakin tarkoittaisi katastrofia, jos Saksan autokaupan ja teollisuuden viennin ylläpitämiseksi Albanjaa ja muitakin Itäblokin maita uudelleenrahoitetaan aivan tyhjästä tilasta hyvinvointiin.

Junking Juncker
The entire country should wish David Cameron luck at Ypres: Mr Juncker’s victory would be a disaster for Britons and Europeans alike
By Telegraph View 6:35AM BST 26 Jun 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10925493/Junking-Juncker.html

" Douglas Grenfell • 15 hours ago

Seeing as to many European companies such as BMW, Siemens etc we in Britain mean a lot of sales so such companies would still want to sell their products here, to not do so would not only hit their profit margins but also the tax take of their governments so new trade deals would be forthcoming without delay if the UK was to walk away from the EU. It would also mean that Germany would have to finance the rebuilding of Albania with little financial help. Whether Cameron likes it or not a huge number of this country's electorate voted for UKIP on the premise that UKIP would get Britain out of the bondage of the EU. No compromise is good enough."

"helmsdale • 17 hours ago

The EU leaders do not want David Cameron to keep on about the vote for the new european commissioner. His so called friend have left him to there ostracised and humiliated. What would they think if he should come back to Britain on Saturday and the first thing he did was to announce that he was bringing the European in/out referendum forward by 2 years so it were to be prior to the next election. They would all jump up and down calling him all the names under the sun but why. They class the Uk as a very rich nation and as such should be paying the lions share of all the ill conceived looney ideas that they consider and implement.

The EU would have to reassess their thought as to who should be in or out of the EU. The former Soviet countries are expecting huge amounts of cash input to their infrastructures and would be expecting the EU to fund this but who would, mainly the Germans. Is Frau Merkell going to allow this I very much doubt it."

"FlippityGibbit helmsdale • 16 hours ago

The HUGE difference for Germans is that they CHOSE to have the Euro and CHOSE to be in what the EU has become. We, British joined a trading agreement called the Common Market which became the EEC and morphed into what it has become today. At EVERY step of the way including Maastricht, the Lisbon Treaty etc. every British Political Party has denied us the right to have any say whatsoever whether we wanted to be part of the EU or not. We are NOT anti-European but we are anti-EU. Was East Germany happy being under the Russians? No! That's how we feel about being in the EU exactly. If we are given a referendum and chose to stay in, that is another matter but it is for the people to decide NOT Politicians choosing for us!"
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"desmosedici • 18 hours ago

If this is really the editorial opinion of The Daily Telegraph than that is quite amazing. Chancellor Merkel told you explicitly that threats will not be accepted and are simply ignored. This policy of "my way or the highway" has left the UK government with no option. So, we wish you all the best for your future, obviously outside the EU. Take your chances, don't wait until 2017. Good luck !"

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Junking Juncker
The entire country should wish David Cameron luck at Ypres: Mr Juncker’s victory would be a disaster for Britons and Europeans alike
By Telegraph View 6:35AM BST 26 Jun 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10925493/Junking-Juncker.html

Keskustelun otteita 2:

"Federalism • 18 hours ago

Total Rubbish. Cameron has acted like an imbecile and has ensured Juncker has got the job. He thought he could walk in and demand that everyone listens to him and do what he says. What a cretin. He has no negotiating skills whatsoever. The rest of Europe is quite right to essentially tell Cameron to F*ck off. The UK is lucky to be in the EU as it continuously ostracises itself and causes friction as often as possible. Personally I don't know how the rest of the EU tolerates the UK and it makes me embarrassed to be British. The EU is far better for the UK than vice-versa. The UK economy is fundamentally sh*te and the EU helps paper over the cracks. Most of the trash UK tabloid press are childishly anti-EU just like the lunatic backbench MP's in the Conservative party. This doesn't help inform the electorate of the reality of being in the EU, who are, on the whole, pretty dense judging by most of the comments on here."
"HonkyFronky Federalism • 17 hours ago

If you really think that then your name is Ed Balls and I claim my £5.
What you know about the workings and ramifications of EU membership one could write on a match box."

"Ifitfits =>Federalism • 18 hours ago

'The UK economy is fundamentally sh*te and the EU helps paper over the cracks.'
How? By taking £nn million off us every day? (you fill in the gaps _ I can't be ar5ed).
Great, thanks for all the help."

"BillyRawmone =>Federalism • 18 hours ago

Well that's about the most garbage I've ever seen in a single post. Perhaps you are unaware of the continuing crisis is Southern Europe caused by the Euro. With youth unemployment over 25% in some countries.

UK could not even achieve that with a Labour government.

And you clearly are no fan of either

a) Democracry
or
b) Good governance."

Junking Juncker
The entire country should wish David Cameron luck at Ypres: Mr Juncker’s victory would be a disaster for Britons and Europeans alike
By Telegraph View 6:35AM BST 26 Jun 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10925493/Junking-Juncker.html

Keskustelun otteita 3:

"Federalism =>BillyRawmone • 18 hours ago

Any "crisis" in Southern Europe is certainly not caused by the Euro, it is caused by the governments of those individual countries. The Euro merely enforces countries to balance their budgets (i.e. live within their means), a policy any sensible government and country in the world would follow. The southern med countries, were, by and large, given to debauch their currencies to get out of trouble. Instead, they are doing the sensible thing and sorting out their economy instead, something the UK has singularly failed to do."

"beenzrgud =>Federalism • 18 hours ago

You seem a bit peeved, although I don't know why. If the current course is maintained then the "fundamentally sh*te" UK will soon leave the EU, which should please you no end.
Personally I don't think it's wise to be a member of a club that elects inappropriate people to positions of power simply as response to some perceived slight. It smacks of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face."

"Domlingus • 18 hours ago

Why on earth would we want to wish the PM good luck on a mission which is nothing but a camouflage net for our lack of influence in the EU and the impotence of the PM?

Our PM has made frequent announcements and meaningless promises change our relationship with the corrupt, fraud ridden and fascist run EU, including his promises to give us "real change', 'real choice' and 'real opportunities' although he knew, or should have known, he has neither the power,the authority or the will to fulfill those empty promises, nor inclination to restore our sovereignty, the surrendering of which took place under his watch.

There is only one political party dedicate to real change, the restoration of our sovereignty and democracy.

The future is UKIP. The future is now here."

"taodas • 18 hours ago

It seems that neither the PM or his advisers understand how the EU works post the Lisbon treaty otherwise they would have been able to predict the out come even if the conservatives had joined the EPP EU parliamentary voting block the result would have been the same. DC needs to come up with a rational EU reform strategy rather than a weak PR campaign"

"HonkyFronky taodas • 17 hours ago

The Tories have voted in favour of every directive that the EU has thrown at us. They are as bad as any of the other grey politicians in Westminster.

They are nailing their own coffin lids shut tightly with every acquiesce of EU Law. Bizarrely our astute political "betters" fail to see their own demise!?!!"

"Denis_Cooper taodas • 18 hours ago

It's actually very little to do with the Lisbon Treaty; that merely inserted some new words which MEPs have used as a pretext to try to do what they could have tried to do ever since 1995, when the member state governments first gave them the power of veto over appointments to the Commission as part of the Maastricht Treaty."

Junking Juncker
The entire country should wish David Cameron luck at Ypres: Mr Juncker’s victory would be a disaster for Britons and Europeans alike
By Telegraph View 6:35AM BST 26 Jun 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10925493/Junking-Juncker.html

Keskustelun otteita 4:

"dave_moon • 18 hours ago

Juncker is a total irrelevance. Whoever is EU Commission President cannot change the reality that to satisfy any meaningful re-negotiation of UK membership terms EG an opt-out of 'free movement of citizens within the EU' being a fundamental 'red line', would require Treaty change and thus, consent of the 27 other EU member states. That is simply not going to happen. Cameron is playing some sort of game that has more to do with PR and propaganda than anything else."

"bentile • 19 hours ago

Merkel has spoken - it's a done deal.
The answer lays with the UK electorate - if we are both brave and care enough about the future of our island nation.
In three score years I have never seen the nationalistic fervour so low, primarily due to a succession of weak, spineless and self-serving governments.
Without any consultation with the indigenous population we have been subjected to unfettered immigration and our sovereignty has been handed to Brussels.
The level of repair required is enormous - similar to repaying our eye-watering national debt."

"Lord_Rim • 19 hours ago

I have a feeling this whole charade is a stitch up. At the last minute Junker is vetoed and quietly given another position out of the spotlight. Meanwhile Dave returns home a conquering hero, the modern day Duke of Wellington claiming victory.

Dave gets re-elected, the EU gets rewarded with an increased contribution from UK, and the whole in/out thing gets forgotten about, while the new commission under {insert name} gets busy reforming Europe into one superstate."

"1hhh1 • 19 hours ago

The current EU President Barroso was elected back in 2004.
He was the third choice candidate for president and did not even appear on the list of contenders two weeks beforehand,Belgium’s Liberal Party Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt was the 1st choice and who was sponsored by the German and French governments and former
British Conservative Party cabinet minister and the then current European
Commissioner in charge of relations with non-EU countries, Chris Patten was 2nd,but was vetoed by Chirac,the pro American EU leaders,including the UK,vetoed Verhofstadt as he wanted to break military ties with the US,so Barroso sneaked in by the back door.Back then they could veto a candidate but not this time."

" Denis_Cooper =>1hhh1 • 18 hours ago

I wonder whether back in 2004 there were blocking minorities against both Verhofstadt and Patten, rather than them being "vetoed" by one or more member states. I see that the Nice Treaty abolished the veto on that area of decision-making, and it had already come into force, and I don't see anything to say that the previous procedure would still be used in 2004.

It was different with the Maastricht Treaty, which was when the member state governments including the UK government led by Major took the crucial original decision to not only involve the EU Parliament for the first time but even grant it a veto over the appointments, but that "first time" would not be the next round of appointments but the one after.

From 1992:
http://old.eur-lex.europa.eu/e...

"Article 158"

David Cameronille kävi "köppäisesti", tässä hyvä teksti.

David Cameron's big mistake? Trusting Angela Merkel, the 'black widow'
By Bruno Waterfield, Brussels
The Telegraph 10:00AM BST 27 Jun 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10929864/David-Camerons-big-mistake-Trusting-Angela-Merkel-the-black-widow.html

World's Weirdest - Deadly Praying Mantis Love

"Sure, love can break your heart. But if you're a male praying mantis, it can literally eat you alive. During mating, the female bites off his head... and then devours his corpse for nourishment."

Eikös Cameron sanonut että Britannia voi lähteä EU:sta jos Juncker valitaan?

Cameron jää häviölle Faragen joukkoja vastaan sisäpolitiikassa.
Britannian lähtölaskenta unionista on alkanut.
Ja siihen se hajoaa.

Parempi että riitelevät eivätkä sodi. Se on EU:n tärkein tavoite.
Venäläiset pelkäävät eeuun aatteidenleviämistä, siksi sen kannattajat vihaavat eeuuta, haukkuvat sitä kaikin keinoin.

Käykää lukemassa. Pitäisi nyt saada vauhtia siihen, että eu-liitovaltioon vieminen tuodaan julkisesti esiin ja yritetään se estää. Valtuudet eivät riitä, mutta oppositio ei saa tehtyä sopivaa luottamuslause-esitystä, joten he vain odottavat. Puhutaan, lätistään tästä vaikka kuinka paljon, nostetaan se freimille näin maallikkotasolta.

http://www.taloussanomat.fi/politiikka/2014/06/27/van-rompuy-twiittasi-juncker-valittiin/20149070/12?&posted=1&n=6#messageSent

" Komission puheenjohtajan valinta tapahtui valtioiden johtajien äänestyspäätöksellä. Valituksi tuli henkilö, jonka tavoitteena on EU:n muuttaminen liittovaltioksi. Tässä mielipiteessä ei ole mitään uutista. Se on yleisesti tunnettu tosiasia.

Uutinen, ainakin minulle, löytyy artikkelin sivuosiosta. Puheenjohtajasta äänestettiin. Vastaan olivat vain Englanti ja Unkari. Äänestystystulos kertoo, että Suomikin halusi komission puheenjohtajaksi liittovaltiokehityksen tunnetun kannattajan.

Komission puheenjohtajan toimi on EU:n vaikutusvaltaisin. Puheenjohtajalla on suurin sananvalta EU:kehityksessä. Tunnetun liittovaltiohaukan valinta tähän toimeen johtaa varmuudella liittovaltiokehityksen vahvistumiseen, kenties jopa liittovaltioon.

Suomi kannatti tässäkin asiassa siis EU:n muuttamista liittovaltioksi. Suomi tukee siis itsenäisestä Suomen valtiosta luopumista. Ja näin tapahtuu kansalta salaa. Puhutaan kyllä yhteistyön syventämisestä tai federalismista, mutta ei vahingossakaan asian todellisuudesta, itsenäisestä Suomesta luopumisesta.

Mielipidemittausten mukaan kansa ei kannata itsenäisyydestämme luopumista. Hallituksellamme ei ole mandaattian luopua itsenäisyydestämme. Asiasta pitää uskaltaa kertoa rehellisesti, ei vain salatermein. Kyseisenlaisita tavoitteista pitää uskaltaa kertoa rehellisesti Suomen kielellä Suomen kansalle ja pyytää mandaattia suomalaisten enemmistöltä.
Puolueetontarkkailu 29.6.2014 9:27 "

Saksalainen demari Martin Schultz valittiin EU-parlamentin puheenjohtajaksi.

Ulkomaat 1.7.2014 klo 13:13 | päivitetty 1.7.2014 klo 13:41
Schulz valittiin EU-parlamentin puhemieheksi
http://yle.fi/uutiset/schulz_valittiin_eu-parlamentin_puhemieheksi/7331027