Romska folket har uppfyllt var enda profet om Ephraim.Guds ord väger tyngre än allt annat.
Bevis man har alldrigt velat genetisk testning på andra folkgrupper bara på Indiska folket.Man har funnit tre kromosoner Y hablogrupp v32-2b .Den är hablogrupp förekommer i mellan östern men mer i Indien här har man slagit slutsatsen att Romerna kommer från Indien .Romerna är fortfarande en öppen bok man har bara tittat på Indien och ingen annanstans .Här har man verkligen användt helstängt huvudslag .
NEJ Romernas språk finns inte i Indien men vissa ord liknar sanskriten.Men Romerna har tusentals Persiska ord i sitt språk.Att Romerna har varit i Indien gör dom sig inte Indier.Men bibel experter vet när Ephraim var i slavar i Assyriska riket i dom tre städer längst Öst om Riket .Därifrän är det bara 900km Till den Indiska dalen.Att Ephraim måste ha vandrat till Indien.Dett håller rabbierna och Bibel experter.Indierna självä kallar Romerna för ASSHURA det vill säga ASSYRIANER.Romer har inte en enda hinduisk element eller någåt som liknar det. däremot går hela romska kultur tillbaka Bibelns tider.
"Rom/ Gypsy Pollution laws: Any relationship or behavior that affects the honor of the groups is either 'clean' or 'unclean'. The Gypsies have their own system of purity as elaborate as that in ancient Bible times. 'Marime' is pollution, dishonor or uncleanness. Food, and anything that touches food, has its own separate regime.
Cleanliness depends on keeping the upper part of the body separate from the lower part with its polluting emissions. Separate soap and towels are used for the two parts. Anything to do with entering the body, such as food utensils, is washed separately from the upper body. Clothes covering the lower body must not be brought in contact with food or utensils used for food. Food is shared only with those who keep these standards. The feet and the ground are considered most unclean or polluted. Similarly the stages of life are classified according to pollution, marriage especially be considered polluting while old age is revered and looked forward to as 'clean'. Many of these rules fulfill the practical needs of hygiene in toiletry and food preparation in a more consistent way than those practiced by the gadzé.
Maintaining non-pollution determines one's membership in the family and the group. To become polluted is to undermine the status of one's family with other Gypsies, and is considered a cause of illness and misfortune. Behavior is therefore controlled by the opinion of the group according to these concepts.The Gypsies see the gadzé as immoral, without family loyalty and unhygienic. Therefore the Gypsies relationship to the gadzé is determined by this code of cleanness. Contact with non-Gypsies is inherently polluting. When eating in a non-Gypsy environment disposable plates and cups are preferred, because it is polluting to use utensils that have not been cleansed the Gypsy way. Gypsies will occasionally deliberately act according to stereotyped misconceptions, such as appearing to be dirty, lice-ridden, rude, untidy, or feign madness, contrary to their own self-image to keep the non-Gypsies away and so maintain their own ritual cleanness.
To maintain their own standards visitors will served with special crockery and sat in a place reserved only for those outside the rules of purity, but hospitality that is offered should be accepted by the gadzo as honoring the Gypsy hosts. Gifts of food, clothing or housing will be treated as polluted and need cleansing. Needless to say this has been counterproductive in having harmonious relationships with society as a whole. Conversation also will inevitably touch on subjects in currant affairs, history or religion that the Gypsy construes, often with good reason, as anti-Gypsy. visitor has to have a knowledge of this regime, and be sympathetically persistent to have realistic contact with the Roma."
Däremot vill jag säga att man har av rent slump hittat Genetisk samband till gamala Judiska prästskapen.Här har man igen inte velat testa närmare .
"Nearly 86% of Y chromosomes belong to haplogroup VI-68, and a single lineage within that haplogroup, found across Romani populations, accounts for almost all of Romani males. A similar preservation of a highly resolved male lineage has been reported elsewhere only for Jewish priests (Thomas et al. 2003""
hoosea 6.8: Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted
with blood.
9: And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder
in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.
10: I have seen an horrible thing in the house of Israel: there is the whoredom
of Ephraim, Israel is defiled.
hoosea 7.1: When I would have healed Israel, then the iniquity of Ephraim
was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for they commit falsehood;
and the thief cometh in, and the 1: When I would have healed Israel, then
the iniquity of Ephraim was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for
they commit falsehood; and the thief cometh in, and the troop of robbers
spoileth without.
hoosea 7.6: For they have made ready their heart like an oven, whiles they
lie in wait: their baker sleepeth all the night; in the morning it burneth
as a flaming fire.
GUD säger att Ephraim är rånare ,tjuvar,mördare .dom är varma i sitt temprament som eld,Ephraim stad Gilead är fyllt med blod,Vi alla vet vem som har ett sådan rykte och har haft 1000år faktisk har man spårat ryktet till Indien.
Deuteronomy, chapter 28
mose 5.16: Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in
the field.
17: Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18: Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the
increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19: Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when
thou goest out.
23: And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that
is under thee shall be iron.
24: The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven
shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25: The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt
go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt
be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
hoosea .9 17: My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken
unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations
65: And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole
of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart,
and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66: And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day
and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
67: In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou
shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith
thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
68: And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way
whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye
shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you
Romernas svarta Historia
The Roma Long Persecution
No other single human population has been victims of long suffering like Roma .Laws were enacted against them everywhere they went.If any one single aspect of their history has been dominant, it must, unfortunately,
be that of their persecution, forced assimilation,Discrimination,expulsion,
slavery,transportation,torture,incarceration
sterilization,extermination,banishment,rejection
genocide,shot, hanged,beaten
and clubbed to death,herded into the gas chambers, and forced to dig their
own graves,medical experimentation, and tested for a reaction to extreme freezing temperatures.
Slavery in this countries at same time.
Romania 500year
France 300year
Australia 300year
Russia 400 year
Usa 300year
South America 300 year
Roma have been the victims of slavery and genocide, transportation and torture.
No other single human population has endured so widely and so consistently
the suffering of the Rom. At first incarceration, then expulsion, sterilization,
and finally extermination were techniques employed by the Nazis to deal
with Gypsies,
Although there were two Romani transportees with Columbus on his second
voyage in 1498, Roma began to reach the Americas in any numbers in the sixteenth
century, shipped here as slaves in the plantations. Others
came to the United States at the end of the last century, fleeing slavery
in Europe (Hancock, 1987; Nunes, 1996). However, as victims of discriminatory
immigration policy beginning in 1883, they were turned away at Ellis Island,
and even those who managed to come in across the Mexican or Canadian borders
met anti-Gypsy laws, some of which were still on the books and being put
into effect as recently as last year. No other ethnic minority in the 1990s
in this country has been the target of repressive laws which named them
specifically and forbade (or require a license for) them to establish homes
or to work in different counties and states. No other ethnic minority has
special police bureaus monitoring its movements or specialists compiling
a computerized files of its names, addresses, and genealogies
If any one single aspect of their history has been dominant, it must, unfortunately,
be that of their persecution, forced assimilation, enslavement, and yes,
even genocide carried out against them by the Nazi's.
Laws were enacted against them everywhere they went. The history of the
response of the countries in which they have lived has been uniformly one
of rejection, mistrust, fear, banishment, enslavement, torture, and murder.
Current estimates are that roughly 600,000 Roma were exterminated by the
Nazi's, roughly "1/4 to 1/3 of their numbers in all of Europe and as much
as 70% of those in areas where Nazi control had been established the longest
Long before the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, the European Roma were
despised and rejected Persecution of the Roma started before the Holocaust,
tracing back as far as year as 1093.
Early Persecution in Europe from year around 1100.
The King of Denmark, in 1349, decreed that any leader of a Roma band found
on Danish soil was to be sentenced to death. Any vessel bringing in Roma
would be confiscated. From that time on, and until 1891, any Rom found in
Denmark was subject to deportation. "Gypsy" hunts were organized with rewards
to those who captured and kill a Rom.
Norway, too, confiscated any vessel that brought Roma to Norwegian soil.
In the nineteenth century, Norway passed a law allowing Roma to remain in
the country only if they abandoned their nomadic ways. Norwegians found
the Roma way of life unsanitary, and felt justified in taking Roma children
away from their parents.
Sweden enacted harsh laws to deter the Roma, also. Roma were not allowed
to enter the country. Those who managed to do so were immediately expelled.
Those who failed to leave were brutally attacked or hanged. All Roma who
managed to escape to neighboring Finland were driven back to Sweden, since
Finland also refused them.
France enacted a series of expulsion laws beginning in 1310. Throughout
the sixteenth century any Roma caught in the country were flogged. In the
following century, Romani women who were captured had their heads shaved
and were sent to workhouses. The men were put into chains in galleys.
In the 1420 century England, Roma were ordered to leave or be imprisoned
because the English believed them to be sorcerers, thieves and cheats. Signs
were posted in the English countryside, telling the Roma that they must
leave England. Those who remained were given two days to leave. Failure
to do so meant death. Despite this, many Roma hid in the countryside. In
1562, all English men and women who showed sympathy with the Roma became
subject to punishment. The Romani way of life was considered a crime, and
those who kept company with or in any way imitated Roma were guilty of this
crime.
Some European countries deported the Roma to their colonies as slaves . The English sent many of their Roma to Barbados, Australia, and
North America. The French sent many of their Roma to Louisiana in the early
nineteenth century, but this plan was later abandoned when Louisiana was
sold to the United States. The Portuguese sent hundreds of their Roma to
Brazil, and the Spanish deported many to their South American colonies.
Repressive laws were also common.Speaking of Romani was forbidden. Roma were forced to abandon their traditional
clothing and could not own horses. No marriage was permitted between them.
They were not allowed to gather in large groups. At one time, Roma who neither
conformed to Spanish ways nor left the country were made slaves.
Slavery was a solution to the "Gypsy problem" in other countries. Because
of a shortage of workers in Wallachia and Moldavia (present day Romania),
Roma were forced into serfdom. They were owned by local rulers, and some
were even owned by the government. The church not only condoned this practice
but also bought Roma slaves. This practice continued until around 1897.
Switzerland allowed "Gypsy" hunts in the sixteenth century, as did Holland
in the eighteenth century. In the former Moravia, it was allowed to cut
off the left ear of all Romani women who were caught. In Bohemia, removal
of the right ear was legal.
In Hungary the Roma were taken into slavery in the fifteenth century. Once
freed, a number of restrictive measures were taken against them, including
a 1740 law that stated that no Rom could perform metalworking outside his
tent. This law was aimed at any attempt by the Roma to compete against native
metalworkers.
In 1761, the Queen of Hungary decided to turn these Roma into what she called
"New Hungarians." They were supplied tools, seed and animals for farming,
despite the fact that they had never shown any interest in farming. The
Romani language was outlawed, and they were not permitted to trade horses
or to sleep in tents. The Queen's son and successor carried on and implemented
his mother's policies. Nomadic communities were forced to settle, children
were required to attend school and go to church. Adolescent Roma were taken
from their families to learn trades. Roma music was prohibited, except on
special holidays. All these measures failed, and by the nineteenth century
the Roma had gained a certain amount of freedom.
1933-1945
The fundamental hostility towards the Roma remained unchanged, reaching
its most tragic limits in Hitler's Germany before and during World War II.
The Roma were seen as "asocial," a source of crime and culturally inferior.
When Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933, his Nazi administration
inherited "anti-Gypsy" laws that had been in force since the Middle Ages.
On 15 September 1935, Jews were restricted by the Nuremberg Law for the
Protection of Blood and Honor, and Roma were added later in 1937. This law
forbade intermarriage or sexual intercourse between Aryan and non-Aryan
peoples. Criteria for classification as a Rom were twice as strict as those
applied to Jews. If two of a person's eight great-grandparents were even
part-Rom, that person "had too much Gypsy blood to be allowed to live."
According to the Nazi hierarchical system, Roma belonged with Jews at the
bottom of the racial scale.
In 1937, the Roma were forced into concentration camps, officially called
"resident camps" at Dachau, Dieselstrasse, Mahrzan and Vennhausen. The Roma
interned included those found in Germany and in the Nazi occupied countries.
The Nazi Party was given the cooperation of other European governments in
its campaign to locate and identify Roma throughout Europe. Prisoners at
Buchenwald were worked to death as slave laborers in the camp quarry or
at outlying arms factories. There were no gas chambers but thousands were
shot, hanged, or tortured to death by the camp's guards.
To the Nazis, being a Rom meant being diseased, so these prisoners were
sterilized to prevent them from spreading this disease by reproduction.
Some Roma were sterilized as early as 1933, though no Jews had yet been.
In July 1938, the Endloesung, or Final Solution, plans were being finalized.
Among the many categories of Nazi victims, only the Roma and the Jews were
singled out for annihilation on racial grounds. Only Jews and Roma were
considered genetically "tainted," threatening German racial purity. During
the following months, Roma were transported to the camps in Poland. These
Roma movements were later stopped because of the expense involved. Roma
in the Baltic States, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, France, Italy, Hungary
and the rest of Nazi-occupied Europe were forced into camps for later extermination.
In February 1943, large-scale roundups were established in Germany, and
over ten thousand Roma had arrived in Sachsenhausen by April. Hitler's infamous
deputy, Heinrich Himmler, decided that the Roma camps were to be eliminated,
and began a program of liquidation. Roma were beaten and clubbed to death,
herded into the gas chambers, and forced to dig their own graves.
The fate of the Roma paralleled the tragic fate of the Jews, who were also
imprisoned and exterminated. They were tortured, used for inhuman scientific
experiments, and put to death in the infamous gas chambers. One of the worst
of the camps, Auschwitz, held sixteen thousand Roma at one point. By August
1944, only four thousand Roma remained. After a visit by Himmler, the last
imprisoned Roma were led to the gas chambers. In September of 1939, there
was an official conference to plan the deportation of 30,000 German Gypsies.
Women who were pregnant at the time were sterilized and many died because
of this. Gypsy girls were also subject to this procedure so that they were
not able to endanger the purity of the peasants who were of German blood.
The SS doctors sterilized one hundred and twenty girls in Ravensbruck. (UNESCO
Courier, 24) The Roma were also deported. Many were sent to the ghettos
in Poland were the living conditions were inhuman. Most commonly they were
shot naked, facing their pre-dug graves. This is what the Nazi?s considered
a speedy extermination. The Nazi?s also used various torture methods. Gypsies
were subjected to medical experimentation, gas chambers, and tested for
a reaction to extreme freezing temperatures. Either way the people were
terminated.
It has been said also that shooting the Roma was difficult because they
did not stand still like the Jews. They would move constantly and cry out.
Some have been reported as to jumping into the grave before being shot and
pretending to be dead. The Gypsies tried to resist death. Their music helped
them endure the pain and suffering. They would gather and sing with the
children dancing. Younger Gypsies tried escaping but to no avail. Others
attacked their enemies with only a knife as a weapon so desperate where
they for freedom.
An estimated 1.5 million Roma were murdered from 1935 to the end of World
War II
1945 to Present
Gypsies today now face the same type of persecution but on a smaller level.
The reasoning of the Nazi?s is back. The governments in Central and Eastern
Europe cannot it seems provide a way to stop the violence against the people.
Increasing violence and discrimination is felt in many countries where it
was not known before, such as Yugoslavia and the Czech Republic. Discrimination
ranges from citizenship restrictions to signs on doors stating that no Gypsies
are allowed. Violence has occurred from individual acts or from mob activity.
Past prejudices have been reawakened when communism collapsed across the
Soviet. The Roma, who were beheaded during the Middle Ages, murdered during
the Holocaust, and sterilized in the Cold War, are being attacked once again.
It was reported in November 1997 that a 14-year-old Gypsy in Yugoslavia
was attacked going to the store by a group of skinheads who hit him with
a metal pipe, crushing his head. (Knight-Ridder, 325) In the Czech Republic,
where Gypsies once sought refuge are now feeling targeted by the "skinheads".
Austria also has had reports of violence towards the Roma. Four Gypsies
died when a booby trap exploded in Oberwart. The people do not only bring
on violence but the police also bring it on. Brutality is encouraged and
even organized by officials against the Roma and many more against Roma
Similar cases have been reported in Bulgaria. Regular villagers mostly likely
caused a recent mob attack against the Gypsies. The people seem to have
exemption when it comes to crimes committed against the Roma and the state
looks the other way.
In Romania, where the population of the Gypsies is over two million, violence
has been more lethal and frequent. In the town of Turulung, thirty-eight
houses were destroyed and a child of three years disappeared. (The Nation,
520) The authorities avoid prosecuting any crime committed against the Roma.
Although many such acts are again brought on to the Roma, measures have
been taken to help the situation. The Tolerance Foundation in the Czech
Republic, and the Human Rights Project led by Dimitrina Petrova, in Bulgaria
has helped bring forth the issue of human rights. (The Nation, 520) Committees
in several countries have tried to defend the rights of the Roma. However,
the governments of the countries were persecution is taking place do not
want to recognize this violence. Unless there is pressure brought upon the
governments, the situations concerning the Gypsies will not end quickly.
Frantisek Bocek, the chairman for the Republika Party seeking racial purity
states, "You know, the Gypsy problem during communism was a hidden fire.
Now, it?s an open flame." (Knight-Ridder, 1209) Nations should consider
the effects the Holocaust had on many, learn from it not repeat it
En liten Bibel studie
"There is yet another, very special group which came to Europe and to other areas of the world, from Persia. Their language contains a large percentage of Persian words (that indicates that they must have left Persia before the Moslem occupation which started in the 600s). That special group of people is relatively few in number, and it has served other gods and still does that, just as the Bible says the scattered, "lost" tribes of Israel would do. That ethic group is spread over the whole world, among all nations, just as the Bible says the tribes of Israel would be.
That group is persecuted and hated, just as the Jews are hated. They are not tolerated by other people, just as the Jews are not. They have for a long time been a wandering people, on the move, just as the Bible said that the "lost" tribes would be, and just as the Jews have been. Also they were gassed by Hitler, just as he gassed the Jews. That ethnic group, that "peculiar people" is, of course, the "Gypsies" and the "Travellers": The Romani people, not to forget the Domari people in the Middle East.
According to historical sources, the Romani people of Europe have their origins in Persia. Even those who claim that the Romani people supposedly came from India, draw maps which show that they came into Europe from the Persian area. The question is, did the Romani people actually spread, from Persia, both to the east (India) as well as to the west (Europe)? That is not really known; one can only make guesses. The theory about "Punjab origins" appears to be a mere opinion of someone, probably based on virtually nothing. The Romani people came to Europe partially via Syria and Egypt. The western route is said to have given them their name E-gypti-ans, later reduced to "gypsies". A note: Deuteronomy 28:68 mentions a moving of Israelites back to Egypt by ships. That must have happened hundreds of years ago. The Romani have come to Europe from Egypt. The gypsies who stayed in Egypt (today, there are around 1,000,000 of them) are called Domari, instead of Romani which is the name for those who moved on.
Back to the Romani people. Again, their language has a large percentage of Persian words. Despite that fact, some try to "trace" their language to India. A certain writer had a list of Romani words (Gypsy language) which supposedly were "related to Indian" but which in fact were old and native in (for instance) Swedish. That kind of "language tracing" is not credible. Apparently, some people first decide that a given Romani word "must have come from India" and then they set out to produce "proof" for that claim of theirs. That is not the way to go. One must also consider the fact that the Germanic languages of Europe (including German, Dutch, Frisian, English and the Scandinavian languages) are all related and belong to the language-group which is called "Indo-European". Simply: Indian and European languages have a common source. Because of that, one should of course expect them to have some things in common. But, that does not mean that the Germans come from India, or that the Romani/Domari people did. If one used the same kind of methods as some use for "tracing" the Romani language and people, then one could just as well trace the German or British languages and peoples as having come from India. Which, of course, would be nonsense."
"Another interesting Romany word is "manrho", meaning bread, that sounds precisely like the Hebrew "man-hu", that is what the Israelites exclaimed when they found the "manna" in the wilderness (Exodus 16:15). Yet, as the origins should not be sought through the language, I shall not extend this topic here"
Bevis man har alldrigt velat genetisk testning på andra folkgrupper bara på Indiska folket.Man har funnit tre kromosoner Y hablogrupp v32-2b .Den är hablogrupp förekommer i mellan östern men mer i Indien här har man slagit slutsatsen att Romerna kommer från Indien .Romerna är fortfarande en öppen bok man har bara tittat på Indien och ingen annanstans .Här har man verkligen användt helstängt huvudslag .
NEJ Romernas språk finns inte i Indien men vissa ord liknar sanskriten.Men Romerna har tusentals Persiska ord i sitt språk.Att Romerna har varit i Indien gör dom sig inte Indier.Men bibel experter vet när Ephraim var i slavar i Assyriska riket i dom tre städer längst Öst om Riket .Därifrän är det bara 900km Till den Indiska dalen.Att Ephraim måste ha vandrat till Indien.Dett håller rabbierna och Bibel experter.Indierna självä kallar Romerna för ASSHURA det vill säga ASSYRIANER.Romer har inte en enda hinduisk element eller någåt som liknar det. däremot går hela romska kultur tillbaka Bibelns tider.
"Rom/ Gypsy Pollution laws: Any relationship or behavior that affects the honor of the groups is either 'clean' or 'unclean'. The Gypsies have their own system of purity as elaborate as that in ancient Bible times. 'Marime' is pollution, dishonor or uncleanness. Food, and anything that touches food, has its own separate regime.
Cleanliness depends on keeping the upper part of the body separate from the lower part with its polluting emissions. Separate soap and towels are used for the two parts. Anything to do with entering the body, such as food utensils, is washed separately from the upper body. Clothes covering the lower body must not be brought in contact with food or utensils used for food. Food is shared only with those who keep these standards. The feet and the ground are considered most unclean or polluted. Similarly the stages of life are classified according to pollution, marriage especially be considered polluting while old age is revered and looked forward to as 'clean'. Many of these rules fulfill the practical needs of hygiene in toiletry and food preparation in a more consistent way than those practiced by the gadzé.
Maintaining non-pollution determines one's membership in the family and the group. To become polluted is to undermine the status of one's family with other Gypsies, and is considered a cause of illness and misfortune. Behavior is therefore controlled by the opinion of the group according to these concepts.The Gypsies see the gadzé as immoral, without family loyalty and unhygienic. Therefore the Gypsies relationship to the gadzé is determined by this code of cleanness. Contact with non-Gypsies is inherently polluting. When eating in a non-Gypsy environment disposable plates and cups are preferred, because it is polluting to use utensils that have not been cleansed the Gypsy way. Gypsies will occasionally deliberately act according to stereotyped misconceptions, such as appearing to be dirty, lice-ridden, rude, untidy, or feign madness, contrary to their own self-image to keep the non-Gypsies away and so maintain their own ritual cleanness.
To maintain their own standards visitors will served with special crockery and sat in a place reserved only for those outside the rules of purity, but hospitality that is offered should be accepted by the gadzo as honoring the Gypsy hosts. Gifts of food, clothing or housing will be treated as polluted and need cleansing. Needless to say this has been counterproductive in having harmonious relationships with society as a whole. Conversation also will inevitably touch on subjects in currant affairs, history or religion that the Gypsy construes, often with good reason, as anti-Gypsy. visitor has to have a knowledge of this regime, and be sympathetically persistent to have realistic contact with the Roma."
Däremot vill jag säga att man har av rent slump hittat Genetisk samband till gamala Judiska prästskapen.Här har man igen inte velat testa närmare .
"Nearly 86% of Y chromosomes belong to haplogroup VI-68, and a single lineage within that haplogroup, found across Romani populations, accounts for almost all of Romani males. A similar preservation of a highly resolved male lineage has been reported elsewhere only for Jewish priests (Thomas et al. 2003""
hoosea 6.8: Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted
with blood.
9: And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder
in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.
10: I have seen an horrible thing in the house of Israel: there is the whoredom
of Ephraim, Israel is defiled.
hoosea 7.1: When I would have healed Israel, then the iniquity of Ephraim
was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for they commit falsehood;
and the thief cometh in, and the 1: When I would have healed Israel, then
the iniquity of Ephraim was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for
they commit falsehood; and the thief cometh in, and the troop of robbers
spoileth without.
hoosea 7.6: For they have made ready their heart like an oven, whiles they
lie in wait: their baker sleepeth all the night; in the morning it burneth
as a flaming fire.
GUD säger att Ephraim är rånare ,tjuvar,mördare .dom är varma i sitt temprament som eld,Ephraim stad Gilead är fyllt med blod,Vi alla vet vem som har ett sådan rykte och har haft 1000år faktisk har man spårat ryktet till Indien.
Deuteronomy, chapter 28
mose 5.16: Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in
the field.
17: Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18: Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the
increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19: Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when
thou goest out.
23: And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that
is under thee shall be iron.
24: The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven
shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25: The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt
go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt
be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
hoosea .9 17: My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken
unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations
65: And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole
of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart,
and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
66: And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day
and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
67: In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou
shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith
thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
68: And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way
whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye
shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you
Romernas svarta Historia
The Roma Long Persecution
No other single human population has been victims of long suffering like Roma .Laws were enacted against them everywhere they went.If any one single aspect of their history has been dominant, it must, unfortunately,
be that of their persecution, forced assimilation,Discrimination,expulsion,
slavery,transportation,torture,incarceration
sterilization,extermination,banishment,rejection
genocide,shot, hanged,beaten
and clubbed to death,herded into the gas chambers, and forced to dig their
own graves,medical experimentation, and tested for a reaction to extreme freezing temperatures.
Slavery in this countries at same time.
Romania 500year
France 300year
Australia 300year
Russia 400 year
Usa 300year
South America 300 year
Roma have been the victims of slavery and genocide, transportation and torture.
No other single human population has endured so widely and so consistently
the suffering of the Rom. At first incarceration, then expulsion, sterilization,
and finally extermination were techniques employed by the Nazis to deal
with Gypsies,
Although there were two Romani transportees with Columbus on his second
voyage in 1498, Roma began to reach the Americas in any numbers in the sixteenth
century, shipped here as slaves in the plantations. Others
came to the United States at the end of the last century, fleeing slavery
in Europe (Hancock, 1987; Nunes, 1996). However, as victims of discriminatory
immigration policy beginning in 1883, they were turned away at Ellis Island,
and even those who managed to come in across the Mexican or Canadian borders
met anti-Gypsy laws, some of which were still on the books and being put
into effect as recently as last year. No other ethnic minority in the 1990s
in this country has been the target of repressive laws which named them
specifically and forbade (or require a license for) them to establish homes
or to work in different counties and states. No other ethnic minority has
special police bureaus monitoring its movements or specialists compiling
a computerized files of its names, addresses, and genealogies
If any one single aspect of their history has been dominant, it must, unfortunately,
be that of their persecution, forced assimilation, enslavement, and yes,
even genocide carried out against them by the Nazi's.
Laws were enacted against them everywhere they went. The history of the
response of the countries in which they have lived has been uniformly one
of rejection, mistrust, fear, banishment, enslavement, torture, and murder.
Current estimates are that roughly 600,000 Roma were exterminated by the
Nazi's, roughly "1/4 to 1/3 of their numbers in all of Europe and as much
as 70% of those in areas where Nazi control had been established the longest
Long before the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, the European Roma were
despised and rejected Persecution of the Roma started before the Holocaust,
tracing back as far as year as 1093.
Early Persecution in Europe from year around 1100.
The King of Denmark, in 1349, decreed that any leader of a Roma band found
on Danish soil was to be sentenced to death. Any vessel bringing in Roma
would be confiscated. From that time on, and until 1891, any Rom found in
Denmark was subject to deportation. "Gypsy" hunts were organized with rewards
to those who captured and kill a Rom.
Norway, too, confiscated any vessel that brought Roma to Norwegian soil.
In the nineteenth century, Norway passed a law allowing Roma to remain in
the country only if they abandoned their nomadic ways. Norwegians found
the Roma way of life unsanitary, and felt justified in taking Roma children
away from their parents.
Sweden enacted harsh laws to deter the Roma, also. Roma were not allowed
to enter the country. Those who managed to do so were immediately expelled.
Those who failed to leave were brutally attacked or hanged. All Roma who
managed to escape to neighboring Finland were driven back to Sweden, since
Finland also refused them.
France enacted a series of expulsion laws beginning in 1310. Throughout
the sixteenth century any Roma caught in the country were flogged. In the
following century, Romani women who were captured had their heads shaved
and were sent to workhouses. The men were put into chains in galleys.
In the 1420 century England, Roma were ordered to leave or be imprisoned
because the English believed them to be sorcerers, thieves and cheats. Signs
were posted in the English countryside, telling the Roma that they must
leave England. Those who remained were given two days to leave. Failure
to do so meant death. Despite this, many Roma hid in the countryside. In
1562, all English men and women who showed sympathy with the Roma became
subject to punishment. The Romani way of life was considered a crime, and
those who kept company with or in any way imitated Roma were guilty of this
crime.
Some European countries deported the Roma to their colonies as slaves . The English sent many of their Roma to Barbados, Australia, and
North America. The French sent many of their Roma to Louisiana in the early
nineteenth century, but this plan was later abandoned when Louisiana was
sold to the United States. The Portuguese sent hundreds of their Roma to
Brazil, and the Spanish deported many to their South American colonies.
Repressive laws were also common.Speaking of Romani was forbidden. Roma were forced to abandon their traditional
clothing and could not own horses. No marriage was permitted between them.
They were not allowed to gather in large groups. At one time, Roma who neither
conformed to Spanish ways nor left the country were made slaves.
Slavery was a solution to the "Gypsy problem" in other countries. Because
of a shortage of workers in Wallachia and Moldavia (present day Romania),
Roma were forced into serfdom. They were owned by local rulers, and some
were even owned by the government. The church not only condoned this practice
but also bought Roma slaves. This practice continued until around 1897.
Switzerland allowed "Gypsy" hunts in the sixteenth century, as did Holland
in the eighteenth century. In the former Moravia, it was allowed to cut
off the left ear of all Romani women who were caught. In Bohemia, removal
of the right ear was legal.
In Hungary the Roma were taken into slavery in the fifteenth century. Once
freed, a number of restrictive measures were taken against them, including
a 1740 law that stated that no Rom could perform metalworking outside his
tent. This law was aimed at any attempt by the Roma to compete against native
metalworkers.
In 1761, the Queen of Hungary decided to turn these Roma into what she called
"New Hungarians." They were supplied tools, seed and animals for farming,
despite the fact that they had never shown any interest in farming. The
Romani language was outlawed, and they were not permitted to trade horses
or to sleep in tents. The Queen's son and successor carried on and implemented
his mother's policies. Nomadic communities were forced to settle, children
were required to attend school and go to church. Adolescent Roma were taken
from their families to learn trades. Roma music was prohibited, except on
special holidays. All these measures failed, and by the nineteenth century
the Roma had gained a certain amount of freedom.
1933-1945
The fundamental hostility towards the Roma remained unchanged, reaching
its most tragic limits in Hitler's Germany before and during World War II.
The Roma were seen as "asocial," a source of crime and culturally inferior.
When Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933, his Nazi administration
inherited "anti-Gypsy" laws that had been in force since the Middle Ages.
On 15 September 1935, Jews were restricted by the Nuremberg Law for the
Protection of Blood and Honor, and Roma were added later in 1937. This law
forbade intermarriage or sexual intercourse between Aryan and non-Aryan
peoples. Criteria for classification as a Rom were twice as strict as those
applied to Jews. If two of a person's eight great-grandparents were even
part-Rom, that person "had too much Gypsy blood to be allowed to live."
According to the Nazi hierarchical system, Roma belonged with Jews at the
bottom of the racial scale.
In 1937, the Roma were forced into concentration camps, officially called
"resident camps" at Dachau, Dieselstrasse, Mahrzan and Vennhausen. The Roma
interned included those found in Germany and in the Nazi occupied countries.
The Nazi Party was given the cooperation of other European governments in
its campaign to locate and identify Roma throughout Europe. Prisoners at
Buchenwald were worked to death as slave laborers in the camp quarry or
at outlying arms factories. There were no gas chambers but thousands were
shot, hanged, or tortured to death by the camp's guards.
To the Nazis, being a Rom meant being diseased, so these prisoners were
sterilized to prevent them from spreading this disease by reproduction.
Some Roma were sterilized as early as 1933, though no Jews had yet been.
In July 1938, the Endloesung, or Final Solution, plans were being finalized.
Among the many categories of Nazi victims, only the Roma and the Jews were
singled out for annihilation on racial grounds. Only Jews and Roma were
considered genetically "tainted," threatening German racial purity. During
the following months, Roma were transported to the camps in Poland. These
Roma movements were later stopped because of the expense involved. Roma
in the Baltic States, Poland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, France, Italy, Hungary
and the rest of Nazi-occupied Europe were forced into camps for later extermination.
In February 1943, large-scale roundups were established in Germany, and
over ten thousand Roma had arrived in Sachsenhausen by April. Hitler's infamous
deputy, Heinrich Himmler, decided that the Roma camps were to be eliminated,
and began a program of liquidation. Roma were beaten and clubbed to death,
herded into the gas chambers, and forced to dig their own graves.
The fate of the Roma paralleled the tragic fate of the Jews, who were also
imprisoned and exterminated. They were tortured, used for inhuman scientific
experiments, and put to death in the infamous gas chambers. One of the worst
of the camps, Auschwitz, held sixteen thousand Roma at one point. By August
1944, only four thousand Roma remained. After a visit by Himmler, the last
imprisoned Roma were led to the gas chambers. In September of 1939, there
was an official conference to plan the deportation of 30,000 German Gypsies.
Women who were pregnant at the time were sterilized and many died because
of this. Gypsy girls were also subject to this procedure so that they were
not able to endanger the purity of the peasants who were of German blood.
The SS doctors sterilized one hundred and twenty girls in Ravensbruck. (UNESCO
Courier, 24) The Roma were also deported. Many were sent to the ghettos
in Poland were the living conditions were inhuman. Most commonly they were
shot naked, facing their pre-dug graves. This is what the Nazi?s considered
a speedy extermination. The Nazi?s also used various torture methods. Gypsies
were subjected to medical experimentation, gas chambers, and tested for
a reaction to extreme freezing temperatures. Either way the people were
terminated.
It has been said also that shooting the Roma was difficult because they
did not stand still like the Jews. They would move constantly and cry out.
Some have been reported as to jumping into the grave before being shot and
pretending to be dead. The Gypsies tried to resist death. Their music helped
them endure the pain and suffering. They would gather and sing with the
children dancing. Younger Gypsies tried escaping but to no avail. Others
attacked their enemies with only a knife as a weapon so desperate where
they for freedom.
An estimated 1.5 million Roma were murdered from 1935 to the end of World
War II
1945 to Present
Gypsies today now face the same type of persecution but on a smaller level.
The reasoning of the Nazi?s is back. The governments in Central and Eastern
Europe cannot it seems provide a way to stop the violence against the people.
Increasing violence and discrimination is felt in many countries where it
was not known before, such as Yugoslavia and the Czech Republic. Discrimination
ranges from citizenship restrictions to signs on doors stating that no Gypsies
are allowed. Violence has occurred from individual acts or from mob activity.
Past prejudices have been reawakened when communism collapsed across the
Soviet. The Roma, who were beheaded during the Middle Ages, murdered during
the Holocaust, and sterilized in the Cold War, are being attacked once again.
It was reported in November 1997 that a 14-year-old Gypsy in Yugoslavia
was attacked going to the store by a group of skinheads who hit him with
a metal pipe, crushing his head. (Knight-Ridder, 325) In the Czech Republic,
where Gypsies once sought refuge are now feeling targeted by the "skinheads".
Austria also has had reports of violence towards the Roma. Four Gypsies
died when a booby trap exploded in Oberwart. The people do not only bring
on violence but the police also bring it on. Brutality is encouraged and
even organized by officials against the Roma and many more against Roma
Similar cases have been reported in Bulgaria. Regular villagers mostly likely
caused a recent mob attack against the Gypsies. The people seem to have
exemption when it comes to crimes committed against the Roma and the state
looks the other way.
In Romania, where the population of the Gypsies is over two million, violence
has been more lethal and frequent. In the town of Turulung, thirty-eight
houses were destroyed and a child of three years disappeared. (The Nation,
520) The authorities avoid prosecuting any crime committed against the Roma.
Although many such acts are again brought on to the Roma, measures have
been taken to help the situation. The Tolerance Foundation in the Czech
Republic, and the Human Rights Project led by Dimitrina Petrova, in Bulgaria
has helped bring forth the issue of human rights. (The Nation, 520) Committees
in several countries have tried to defend the rights of the Roma. However,
the governments of the countries were persecution is taking place do not
want to recognize this violence. Unless there is pressure brought upon the
governments, the situations concerning the Gypsies will not end quickly.
Frantisek Bocek, the chairman for the Republika Party seeking racial purity
states, "You know, the Gypsy problem during communism was a hidden fire.
Now, it?s an open flame." (Knight-Ridder, 1209) Nations should consider
the effects the Holocaust had on many, learn from it not repeat it
En liten Bibel studie
"There is yet another, very special group which came to Europe and to other areas of the world, from Persia. Their language contains a large percentage of Persian words (that indicates that they must have left Persia before the Moslem occupation which started in the 600s). That special group of people is relatively few in number, and it has served other gods and still does that, just as the Bible says the scattered, "lost" tribes of Israel would do. That ethic group is spread over the whole world, among all nations, just as the Bible says the tribes of Israel would be.
That group is persecuted and hated, just as the Jews are hated. They are not tolerated by other people, just as the Jews are not. They have for a long time been a wandering people, on the move, just as the Bible said that the "lost" tribes would be, and just as the Jews have been. Also they were gassed by Hitler, just as he gassed the Jews. That ethnic group, that "peculiar people" is, of course, the "Gypsies" and the "Travellers": The Romani people, not to forget the Domari people in the Middle East.
According to historical sources, the Romani people of Europe have their origins in Persia. Even those who claim that the Romani people supposedly came from India, draw maps which show that they came into Europe from the Persian area. The question is, did the Romani people actually spread, from Persia, both to the east (India) as well as to the west (Europe)? That is not really known; one can only make guesses. The theory about "Punjab origins" appears to be a mere opinion of someone, probably based on virtually nothing. The Romani people came to Europe partially via Syria and Egypt. The western route is said to have given them their name E-gypti-ans, later reduced to "gypsies". A note: Deuteronomy 28:68 mentions a moving of Israelites back to Egypt by ships. That must have happened hundreds of years ago. The Romani have come to Europe from Egypt. The gypsies who stayed in Egypt (today, there are around 1,000,000 of them) are called Domari, instead of Romani which is the name for those who moved on.
Back to the Romani people. Again, their language has a large percentage of Persian words. Despite that fact, some try to "trace" their language to India. A certain writer had a list of Romani words (Gypsy language) which supposedly were "related to Indian" but which in fact were old and native in (for instance) Swedish. That kind of "language tracing" is not credible. Apparently, some people first decide that a given Romani word "must have come from India" and then they set out to produce "proof" for that claim of theirs. That is not the way to go. One must also consider the fact that the Germanic languages of Europe (including German, Dutch, Frisian, English and the Scandinavian languages) are all related and belong to the language-group which is called "Indo-European". Simply: Indian and European languages have a common source. Because of that, one should of course expect them to have some things in common. But, that does not mean that the Germans come from India, or that the Romani/Domari people did. If one used the same kind of methods as some use for "tracing" the Romani language and people, then one could just as well trace the German or British languages and peoples as having come from India. Which, of course, would be nonsense."
"Another interesting Romany word is "manrho", meaning bread, that sounds precisely like the Hebrew "man-hu", that is what the Israelites exclaimed when they found the "manna" in the wilderness (Exodus 16:15). Yet, as the origins should not be sought through the language, I shall not extend this topic here"
Vastaukset 12
Vanhimmat
kirjan käännöksestä, kirjoitti 1878 Suomen Turussa
Pyhässä Raamatussa tarpeellisilla selityksillä
Gustaf Dahlberg mm:
4.luku 11 wärssy:
Huoruus, wiina ja wäkwwä juoma hulluksi
saattavat.
12: Minun kansani kysyy neuvoa puulta ja hänen sauvansa saarnaa hänelle, sillä huoruuden henki vietteli heitä niin että he tekivät huorin Jumalatansa wastaan.
selitys: Kaksi sauvaa asettivat pystyyn
ja luettiin taikaluku ja siitä kunnepäin ne kaatuivat, otettiin ennustus. Huoruuden henki on
epäjumaluuden into
17. Sillä Efraim on suostunut epäjumaliin: anna hänen mennä.
selitys: Hillimätön Israel tulee makiaksi
kuin lammas, koska se ajetaan pakolaisuuden awaraan korpeen.
18. He owat heistänsä juopumiseen ja huoruuteen laskeneet ja heidän waltamiehensä rakastavat antimia häpiäksi.
selitys: syntiä, joka tuottaa häpiää
19. Tuulispään pitää siivillänsä heidän sidottuna ajaman pois ja heidän pitää häpiään tuleman uhreistansa-
6. luku
9.wärssy:
Papit owat joukkoinensa niinkuin ryöwärit, jotka wäijyvwät, he murhaavat Sikemin tiellä, Sillä he tekewät, mitä he tahtowat.
Selitys: Wielä häijymmin käwi tällä puolen Jordanin. Itse papitkin istuiwat sen waltatien warrella, joka samarista wie Beeteliin ja wäijyiwät ja ryöstiwät matkustajia- niin he tekiwät kauhistusta, kauhiaa saastaisuutta.
10: minä näin Israelin huoneessa, jota minä kauhistuin, sillä Efraim tekee huorin ja Israel saastuttaa itsensä.
7. luku Koska minä Israelin parata tahdon, niin
äsken nähdään Efraimin vääryys ja Samarian pahuus, sillä he tekevät petollisuutta:
varas menee sisälle ja ryövärit ulkona ryöstävät
Selitys: Niinkuin haavankin vaarallisuus
vasta sulloin tulee ilmi, koska sitä ruvetaan parantamaan, samaten tulee Israelinkin turmio oikein ilmeiseksi, koska sitä koetetaan hämmentää ja hillitä. Valtakunnan rappiotila on nähtävissä
siinä vallitsevissa synneissä.
He ilahuttavat kuninkaan pahuudellansa ja päämiehet valheellansa
Selitys: Kuningas ja valtamiehetkin ovat niin turmeltuja, hekin kanssa, että iloitsevat pahuudesta ja valheesta.
Ja ovat kaikki huorintekijät, niinkuin pätsi, jonka leipoja lämmittää. joka lakkaa valvomasta sitten kun on taikinan sotkenut, siihen asti kuin se happanee.
selitys: He kaikki ovat avioliiton rikkojia, niinkuin leipurin sytyttämä uuni, hän lakkaa tulta virittämästä taikinan sotkemisesta hamaan sen käymiseen (happanemiseen) saakka. Kun leipuri
on kerran illalla uunin sytyttänyt, niin se sitten aamuun asti yhtenään palaa eikä häne tarvitse tulta uudestaan virittää, se on, himo, kuin se on kerran alkuunsa päässyt, palaa ilman uutta virittämistä itsestänsä, aamuun saakka, siksi kuin uusi päivä eli uusi tila tuopi sille uuden sytykkeen, silloin se taas ilmivalkeana riehuu.
Tänäpänä on meidän kininkaamme juhla ja päämiehet ovat sairaaksi trulleet wiinasta, hän kutsuttaa pilkkaajat tykönsä.
selitys: Hän ojentaa kätensä pilkaajain kanssa, vetää yhtä köyttä niiden kanssa.
Sillä heidän sydämensä on palava kuin pätsi, koska he wäijyvät, mutta heidän leipojansa makaa kaiken yön ja palaa aamulla niinkuin tulen liekki.
selitys: Sillä he (pilkkaajat) owatr tuoneet kuin uuniin sydämensä heidän väijytyksensä, kaiken yötä heidän leipojansa nukkuu, aamulla se palaa kuin leimuava tuli. heidän sydämensä mieliala on polttoaine, puut, joita ovat uuniin tuoneet ja siellä se leiskuu wäijytystä ja kavaluutta. He ovat kaikki tyynni täynnä vilppiä ja murhan himoa kuningasta vastaan vaikka juomingeissa kuninkaan juhlapäivinä teeskentelivät itsensä hänen parhaiksi ystäviksensä. Leipoja on petoksen takoja, joka makaa kaiken yötä, kunnes taikin aon käynyt ja on sopiva aika ja tila ilmestyy, kunnes heidän sydämensä pahat hankkeet ovat siihen määrään valmistuneet, että taitavat ne täyttää. Sellainen sopiva aika kutsutaan vertauksessa aamuksi, jolloin uuni palaa kuin leimuava liekki. Mitä hedelmiä tästä syntyy, sen osoittaa seuraava wärssy:
He owat kaikki palavwart niinkuin pätsi, he syöwät tuomarinsa, kaikki heidän kuninkaansa lankeevat, ei ole yhtäkään heistä, joka minua awuksensa huutaa.
Selitys: Tuomarinsa on kuningas. Suuressa innossa palvoa epäjumalia, ei huomaa yksikään, ei kansa eikä kuningas, mitä sellaisesta jumalattomasta menosta on seurauksena, ei kukaan laske sydämelleen kuningstenkaan lankeemista, eikä opi siitä oiwaltamaan, että Israel on poikennut menestyksen
ja rauhan tieltä ja samoo kohti perikatoansa. Tästä syystä ei tiedä myös kukaan anoa Herralta
apua tätä hätää hämmentämään. Tämä on merkittävä kuvaus Israelista Jerobeamin II kuoleman jälkeen. Ensin vallitsi 11 vuotta valtiollinen vallattomuus. Sitten tuli kuninkaaksi Jerobeamin poika, Sakarias, Jonka Sallumi murhasi puolen vuotisen hallituksen perästä.
Efraim sekottaa itsensä kansoihin. Efraim on niinkuin kyrsä, jota ei kenkään käännä.
Selitys: Se on kääntämättömän kyrsän kaltainen: alta palanut, päältä ja sisältä raaka,
PARASTA KUITENKIN LIENEE SE, MITÄ Dahlberg selittää 6.luvun lopussa:
Israel kokonaisuudessansa, se on, sekä Juuda, että 10 Israelin sukukuntaa saawat ankaran rangaistuksen synnistä puhdistaaksensa, ja sitte, koska Israel kääntyy Kristukselle, lupaa Herra poistaa sen wiheliäisyyden.
Näin ymmärsi rovasti Dahlberg asiat oikein jo
1800-luvulla vaikka romaaniyhteyksistä ei Jumalan
Henki ollut vielä kenellekään puhunut!
Armo ja rauha Jumalalta ja Jeesukselta Kristukselta juutalaisille ja mustalaisille ja kaikille uudestisyntyneille pakanoille (meille valkolaisille ei-juutalaisille), koska olemme Aabrahamin jälkeläisiä. Juutalaiset ja mustalaiset
heimonsa ja lupauksen mukaan ja me muut kasteen, uskon ja Pyhän Hengen kautta eli sydämemme ympärilaikkauksen kautta.
LUE TÄMÄ MITTÄ ARABI MIES PANNI MULLE Halusin sanoa vain
Kirjoittanut: arab 5.11.2004 klo 18.17
Ei kuka tiedää kuka on Efraim ne 10 heimoa on.vain Herra Sebaot ja sinun on tyhjää levitää tämösta koska ei mikä ihminen voi mitä tehää mitä vaikka ne löytäis .Vain El Shaddai tekee kaikki itse.
Tässäkin Juutalaiset menne Herra Sebaotia vastan ne itse etsi Afraikassta ja Intaista Kiinasta myös nittä 10 heimoa.Mikä selvästi on vasta Herra Sebaotia.Hän sano:Minä hae pois Efraimin kansojen seasta niin että pakanat tietää minun nimi on pyhää ja suuri.
Jotain mikä ei menne rabbin päähän.Just tällä hetkellä on noin 100 ryhmiä joka sano olevansa ne yksi nistä heimosta ja vain Herra Sebaot tietää ketä hee ovat.Jaa hän itse hake pois ne 10heimoa.Ei kuka tietää ketkä tai kuka on ne heimot ,vaikka kaikki teitäss ei kuka voi mitä tehää vain KAIKKIVALTIAS JUMALA tekee kaikki itse ymmärräkö.Ruokille Jumalalle ja kysy hänelltä onko Romanit Israeli.Minä en tietää mitä ,vain Kaikkivaltias tietää kaikki .
""JUMALA SANO SILLE KUKA KIRJOTI SEN KIRJAN ETÄ MUSTALAISET ON NE 10 KADONOTA HEIMOA ""¨
Okej El Shaddai sano hälle joka on tehnyt sen kirjan , taas mitä minä sanoi .Ei kuka tai mikä voi tehdä mitä vaikka Efraim ne 10heimoa löytäis jaa halua hakea Israelin . Sillon KAIKKIVALTIAS HERRA SEBAOT Muurskaa heidät .Koska Hänen sana on "HÄN ITSE"
hakee pois Efraimin jaa se on se kuka se on.
Ja taas kaikki tämönen siis kaikki ihmiset puhu ho ne no ho ne no eikö no ja taas ei se no .On ihan tyhjä vain KAIKKIVALTIAS tekee kaikki KaikkiValtias tarkoita mitä see aivan tarkoita KAIKKIVALTIAS häntä suurempa ei olle ketä hän on Ikuinen ikuinen ikuinen hänen sana on ikuinen kuka ei voi rikoa hänen sana hän on EL SHADDAI . Onko tämä niin vaikea ymmärrättä?Ei ihminen voi mitä tehää vaikka romanit olis Efraimi.Ja taas on 100 ryhmä joka sano olevansa ne 10 heimoa.Onko Maailmaalla niin vaikea usko häntä joka on KaikkiValtias.
Jos sinä uskot että Romanit on Efraim niin miksi se on niin vaikeaa luota mitä hän sano näköän sinä ett luota hänen sana .Lue mitä KaikkiValtias Herra itse sano.
Näin on Herra Sebaot vannonut Jes. 14:24-27)
Mitä minä suunnittelen, se toteutuu, mitä minä päätän, se tapahtuu. - - - 26. Tämä on päätökseni, joka koskee kaikkia maita. Tässä on käteni, koholla kaikkien kansojen yllä. 27. Kun Herra Sebaot on tehnyt päätöksen, kuka sen kumoaa?
(Jes. 46:10-11) Jo alusta asti olen kertonut kaiken, mikä oli tuleva, jo ammoin ilmaissut sen, mikä ei ollut tapahtunut vielä. Näin minä sanon, ja päätöksessäni pysyn, kaiken, mitä tahdon, minä toteutan: Minä kutsuin idästä haukan, kaukaisesta maasta päätökseni toteuttajan. Minä olen sanonut sanani ja panen sen toimeen, olen kaiken suunnitellut ja saatan sen päätökseen.
Jes. 48:3) Menneet asiat minä kerroin jo kauan ennen kuin ne tapahtuivat, minä annoin ne tiedoksi, lausuin ne julki. Kun tartuin toimeen, kaikki toteutui heti.
Jes. 48:3) Menneet asiat minä kerroin jo kauan ennen kuin ne tapahtuivat, minä annoin ne tiedoksi, lausuin ne julki. Kun tartuin toimeen, kaikki toteutui heti.
Minä, Herra, toteutan tämän äkkiarvaamatta, kun hetki on tullut. (Jes. 60:22 )
Herra sanoi , "minä itse valvon, että sanani toteutuu." (Jer. 1:12)
Herran viha ei asetu, ennen kuin hän on vienyt loppuun aikeensa ja päätöksensä. Vielä tulee aika, jolloin te sen tajuatte. (Aikojen lopulla tulette sen hyvin ymmärtämään. (RK38))(Jer. 23:20,30:24)
'Näin sanoo Herra Jumala: Yhdenkään sanani täytäntöönpano ei viivy. Minkä puhun, se toteutuu. Minä, Herra, olen puhunut, ja minkä puhuin, sen teen (Hes. 12:28,22:14)
Totisesti: laista ei häviä yksikään kirjain, ei pieninkään piirto, ennen kuin taivas ja maa katoavat, ennen kuin kaikki on tapahtunut. (Matt. 5:18 ym) (Jeesuksen sanat
Olen varma asiasta, että mustlaiset ovat Pohjoisen
Israelin 10:n heimon jälkeläisiä, koska mihinkään muuhun ihmisryhmään eivät sovi seuraavat asiat:
1) Alkuperäinen maantieteellinen sijainti eli muinaisen Assyrian ja Meedo-Persian läheisyys
2) Ulkonäkö täysin sama: suurin osa juutalaisista ja mustalaisista tummahiuksisia ja
ruskeasilmäisiä. Kuvitelkaapa romaanihame tämän juutalaisen naisministerin ylle seuraavan kerran kun näette kuvan hänestä. Tai tämän Passion of the Christ-elokuvan Veronican ylle.
3) Juhlat ja musiikki. Kun katselee gipsy-gallerian kuvia mustalaisten tai muualla olevien
jutalaisten häistä tai muista juhlista, joissa soitetaan, lauletaan ja tanssitaan, ei sivullinen tiedä kummat ovat kummanko kuvia.
4) Hygieniasäännöt, varsinkin synnyttämiseen ja
yleisesti naisten hygieniaan liittyvät perinnäissäännöt. Pyyhkeiden ja vaat-teiden "pinkkaus" ja erottelu.
5) Heimorakkaus ja pysymyminen yhteisössä.
6) Historialliset tapahtumat, mustalaiset ovat kiertolaisia kuten Hoosea ennusti ja vainottuja julmasti ja kirottuja kuten Mooses ja Hoosea ennusti. Keski-Euroopassa on romaaneja kidutettu
puuhun sitomalla susien raadeltavaksi. Mooses ennusti petojen ruoaksi joutumisen
7) rikollisuus yleistä, kuten jo Hoosean Gileadissa ja jo Jaakob oli petturi ja vaimo varasti kotijumalat Laabanilta
8) Levoton sielu, raakuus kuten Hoosea ennusti
9) Paljon psyykkistä oireilua, kuten Mooses ennusti, varsinkin lapsilla ja nuorilla, jotka on otettu vanhemmilta valkolaisperheisiin. Mooses ennusti lasten poisottamisesta.
10) Orjuus, kuten Mooses ennusti, Viedään Egyptiin laivoilla-profetia tarkoitti kaleeriorjuutta keski- ja uudella ajalla.
Egyptin orjuus on mustalaisten hoimomuistissa ja
siitä nimitys gipsy (egyptian= egypt)
Jumalasta luopuminen on tuonut "kirouksellisen"
perinnetarun Kaislamereen hukkumisesta, vaikka
Raamatun mukaan kaikki pelastuivat faaraon sotajoukoilta.
11) Taikausko osoituksena Jumalasta luopumisesta.
Jo Israel palveli epäjumalia ja laittoi lapsia tulen läpi. Raamatussa el-sana Vanhassa Testamentissa tarkoittaa Jumalaa ja Assyyrialais-alueilla palveltiin Deva-nimistä epäjumalaa. Siksi
romaanikielessä Jumala on Devel. Mustalaistenkin
käyttämät Tarot-ennustuskortit ovat alunperin hebrealaisten keksintö.
Mustalaisten yhteys efraimilaisiin on ollut Jumalan salaisuus lähes 3 vuosituhatta, mutta vasta nyt avautumassa, koska Jumala on kerran pyykivä pois mustalaisten syntipaljouden. Kerran
tulee valtava herätys ja niin israelilaiset tekevät parannuksen ja saavat anteeeksi syntinsä.
Kenelle armo kuuluu? Syntisille!
Kenelle ylenpalttinen armo kuuluu? Suurille syntisille, murhamiehille, viinamyyjille, hevosvarkaille, verenkostajille, noituuden ja epäjumalanpalvelijoille jne.
Veriruskeatkin ja purppuranpunaisetkin synnit tulevat lumi- ja villanvalkoisiksi, koska Jumala
oli Kristuksessa ja sovitti maailman synnit Jeesuksen verellä.
Mustalaiset ovat Abrahamin jälkeläisiä ja joka heitä siunaa, heitä ja juutalaisia ja myös pakanakristittyjä (ei.juutalaisia valkolaisia ym)
heitä Jumala siunaa!
Olkoot mustalaiset ja juutalaiset ja uskovaiset
siunatut Jeesuksen nimeen!
NimiM:arab on fundamentalisti Juutalainen tai Assyrialainen .Tämä on hänen profiili kuva.
Hän on hyvin häiriintyny aggressiivinen nuori mies ,ikä noin 20v-25v.Hänella on suuri viha muslimia vastan .Hän on lapsena kokenut jotain hyvin absoluuttista pahaa Perheessä kohta.Ja tästä hän viha muslimia.Hän ota mukan uskonto asia hänen viha muslimia vastan .Tämä saa hänelle hyvän tunne.Ja taas hän on normali eikä vanhat pahat muistot enää paina mieltä.Hän ei muista enää miltä tuntuu olla onnellinen.Monet pahat tapahtumat on hänella olut lapsena.Kaikki tämä liity Islamin.Hän ei olle uskovainen vai taistele
oma demonia vastan joka liity Islamin.raukka on ihan hukassa.Hänella on psykologisia ongelmia.
Kyllä NimiM: arab mainitsee että hän ei ole olut "muslimi" eikä "kristitty".Tämä selvästi sano että hän voi olla Assyrialainen tai Juutalainen.Assyrialaiset on Ortodoksi-Kristitty
ja suuri % on fundamentalistia.Ja hän puhu paljon miten Jumala kostaa muslimille.Ja taas tämä liity hänen halun kostaa kaikki pahat tapahtumat mitä muslimit on tehnyt hänelle.
Hän on 100% valmis tappaman muslimin jos hänen kosto halu menne lian pitkälle.Hän pidä Israelia ja Usa osa hänen halu tappa kaikki muslimit.Hänen tulevaisuus näkö on joka Kosta mikä on koko Islamin kansa .Jotain mitä hän ei voi ja tämä teke hänestä raivohulluiksi käytökseltään.Hyvin hiljainen häiriintyny aggressiivinen nuori mies.
Kaikki hänen tekstit on aggressiivisia muslimia vastan.Koska hänellä oli halu päästä pois kaikkista pahasta sodan muistoista mikä muslimit on tehnyt.Traumojen purku on ollut hänellä vaikeaa.Hän on tumma ihoinen ,mustat silmät,mustat hiukset.
Hänella on paljon psykologisia ongelmia.
Minä työskentelee psykologina. Psykoterapiaa
Kivelänkatu 1, 00260 HELSINKI
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Jes 8:14 .15
Kirjoittanut: arab 6.11.2004 klo 18.16
Jes 8:14 Ja hän on oleva pyhäkkö, hän loukkauskivi ja kompastuksen kallio molemmille Israelin huonekunnille, paula ja ansa Jerusalemin asukkaille.
Jes 8:15. Monet heistä kompastuvat ja kaatuvat ja ruhjoutuvat, monet kiedotaan ja vangitaan.
"" molemmille Israelin huonekunnille""
Juuda ja Israel(Efraimi)Messias tulle oleman loukkauskivi ja kompastuksen kallio molemmille
heistä kompastuvat ja kaatuvat monet kiedotaan ja vangitaan.Aivan justi miten menni Juutalaisilla Europassa .Europassa sanotin etää Juutalaiset ja myös (Romanit)tappoivat Jeesuksen.Juutalaiset myös (Romanit)ovat olet julmasti vainottuja Jeesuksen takia.
En tarkoita että Romanit on Efraim ei sittä kuka tietää ketkä on ne vain Herra Sebaot. Mutta molemmat on olut vainottuja Jeesuksen takia.
""hatat barn har många namn, har förföljts och förslavats""
Romanitaa on noin 18miljonaa maailmaassa.Romaniassa asuu eniten Romaneita noin 4 miljonaa.Ja koko Itä euroopa asuu noin 7miljonaa.Ja maat mikä on EUsa Saksa noin 1miljonaa, Ranska 1miljonaa ,Italia 500.000 eli Europassa asuu noin 12miljonaa jos otan kaikki europan maat mukan.
Koko Itä euroopa asuu noin 7miljonaa mustalaista kaatopaikalla.Saksa missä asuu 1miljonaa mustalaista asuu myös kaikki kaatopaikalla.Italia minä en tietää enkä Ranska mutta Italiassa ja Ranskassa Romanit asuu asuntooduunikassa.
Läh Itän Romanit Egyptia asu noin 1miljonaa (Koko Lähi Itää 4 milj) kaatopaikalla.Muslimit ei salli heitä yhtiöön missän.Muslimit pidää kunnia asia kuin tappa Romanin ja muslimi maat ei tietenkään estä vanhoja kunnia asia tappoja.Nopiasti Suomi,Ruotsi Tanska ja Norgaa,Usa ,Kanadaa asuu mustalaiset hyvin ja asuuvat taloissa ja kohtelu Romanita vastan on olut hyvä. Summa noin 1,200,000 Romanita on hyvät olot.Summa 18.000.000Milj minus 1.200.000. tekee noin 16.000.000 milj ja näista 16Milj asu noin 12 miljonaa kaatopaikalla,eniten Itä euroopa .
18.000.000miljonaanasta asuu noin 12.000.000miljonaa kaatopaikalla .Tämä teke %luvun 70% koko Romani kansa asuu kaatopaikalla. Jaa Lopput 4miljonaa tässtä asuu 1.200.000 hyvin jaa elää hyvä elämä.Lopput 3.800.000 elä kärsivä elämä.
http://act-intl.org/news/dt_nr_2000/dtba_pho0600.html
http://www.pbase.com/haraldmedboe/project&page=1
"80% of Roma live under the poverty line - that it is the minority with the worst situation"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3715751.stm
http://www.roma.sk/kcpro/habitat.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3715751.stm
http://www.roma.sk/kcpro/habitat.htm
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:95560240&num=4
http://manila.djh.dk/hungary/stories/storyreader$61
http://www.domresearchcenter.com/news/greece/gre1.html
Slovakisk polis undersöker påstådd sterilisering av romer
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=9637
Det sker inte bara i Afrika.
Sanningen är att hundratusentals människor svälter i Europa.
De är romer.
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=6931
Behandlingen av romer i dom nya Eu länderna är en tickande bomb
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=112729
""Romerna är i flera central- och östeuropeiska länder utsatta för daglig diskriminering, för fysiska och sociala övergrepp, för en ringaktning och ett hat som är djupt rotat i historiens dy.'""
"" I Rumänien har romer ungefär samma livsvillkor som svarta människor hade i gamla Sydstaterna. Där sade man: "svarta bor på andra sidan järnvägen". I Rumänien säger man att "zigenarna bor i slutet av byn".""
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=56989
Tidningen Daily Express genomför ett "korståg mot Romer.
""
Det är i all sin gapande dumhet vanlig traditionell rasism.
Romer, zigenare, tattare, bohemes, gypsies (egentligen egyptier), mustalainen (ungefär "svartskalle" på finska),
hatat barn har många namn, har förföljts och förslavats, stötts ut och stängts in i Europa under mer än ett halvt årtusende.
Vår egen Gustav Vasa spottade på dem. På 1600-talet utsattes de för den grymmaste lag som stiftats i Sverige, den zigenare som inte lämnade Sverige direkt skulle saklöst hängas.
""Just nu far en romkvinna med fem barn på T-banan i Stockholm, fram och tillbaka mellan Danderyd och T-centralen, och tigger pengar av generösa svenskar""
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=105974
http://www.vll.se/Default.asp?lngStructureID=1&lngMenuI d=2397&lngId=249384
http://www.palmecenter.se/article.asp?Article_Id=3639
Romer har ofta svårt att få bostäder, de nekas oftare än andra grupper tillträde till affärer och restauranger och de är mer eller mindre totalt utestängda från arbetsmarknaden. Det gäller i Sverige.
" En ensamstående trebarnsmamma vräks från en campingplats i Västerås. En annan ensamstående trebarnsmor nekas bostad i Surahammar trots att det finns lediga lägenheter på orten. Förutom att Maarit Hiirisalmi och Ramona Bollström är hemlösa och ensamstående med barn, har kvinnorna ytterligare en sak gemensam: de är romer.""
http://www.varbostad.se/ArticlePages/200309/23/20030923 114707_VB/20030923114707_VB.dbp.asp
Här leker barnen
bland råttor Italien bland annat i central Europa och öst Europa
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0103/20/eubarnen2.htm l
”Veli, minkä hinnan jouduimme maksamaan.500 000 ihmisen luuta ja tuhkaa on levinnyt maahan.Veli, olemme syntyneet Saksassa. Isä, äiti, isoäiti ja isoisä.700 vuotta orjuutettu, palkatta, etkä vieläkään ole saksalainen.Nimelläsi tehdään oopperaa, taidetta. Keisarit, kuninkaat rakastavat musiikkiasi…- mutta sinua ja elämäntapaasi he eivät halua tunnustaa.”
Här leker barnen bland råttor i Italien bland annat i central Europa och öst Europa.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0103/20/eubarnen2.html
http://www.vll.se/Default.asp?lngStructureID=1&lngMenuId=2397&lngId=249384
En ensamstående trebarnsmamma vräks från en campingplats i Västerås. En annan ensamstående trebarnsmor nekas bostad i Surahammar trots att det finns lediga lägenheter på orten. Förutom att Maarit Hiirisalmi och Ramona Bollström är hemlösa och ensamstående med barn, har kvinnorna ytterligare en sak gemensam: de är romer.
http://www.varbostad.se/ArticlePages/200309/23/20030923114707_VB/20030923114707_VB.dbp.asp
God`s Gypsy Christian Church
http://www.lachurch.net/mp3.html
Sinä et ole minkäänlajin psykologi muuta kuin mielikuvituksessasi. Psykologit Suomessa osaa ainakin suomenkieltä. Sinulta se näyttää olevan aivan hukassa. Olet kouluja käymätön rikkaalla mielikuvituksella varustettu liippari. Anna nimimerkki Arab kirjoittaa mitä haluaa. Hänen kirjoituksissaan on jotain järkeä sinun ei ole.
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