Miksi USA hävisi Vietnamissa?

Yhtä suuri ihme oli Neuvostoliion katastrofaalinen tappio Afganistanissa 1979!

Afganistanin sota 1979-89

Sota päättyi Venäjän häviöön

”Viimeiset yksiköt poistuivat Afganistanista 15.2.1989
Venäjän vedettyä joukkonsa Afganistanista afgaanit taistelivat vielä keskenään vallasta Afganistanissa - jouduttiin sodasta sisällissotaan. Venäjän asettama nukkehallitus kaatui pian, mutta klaanit taistelivat keskenään vielä senkin jälkeen. Voitaneen sanoa täydellä oikeudella, että tässä sodassa ei tosiaankaan ollut voittajia - vaan pelkästään häviäjiä.

Tappiot
On arvioitu, että Venäjä menetti tiesodassa 118 suihkukonetta, 333 helikopteria, 147 panssarivaunua, 1 314 panssariajoneuvoa, 433 tykkiä, 1 138 viesti- ja komentoajoneuvoa, 510 pioneeriajoneuvoa ja 11 369 kuorma-autoa
On arvioitu, että Venäjä menetti jo ennen Stingerin tuloa (1986) noin 600 lentokonetta ja helikopteria, joista huomattava osa ammuttiin alas ilmatorjunta-aseilla. Venäläisten mukaan jalkaväen aseet aiheuttivat 27 % vuoden 1985 helikopteritappioista (ennen Stingerin tuloa), 12,7 mm konekiväärit 40 %, 14,5 mm konekiväärit 27 % ja ohjukset 6 %. Vaurioituneita koneita oli tietysti moninkertainen määrä. Venäläisten mukaan menetettiin vuosittain 30-35 Mi-8 -helikopteria. Onnettomuuksien osuudeksi on Afganistanin vaikeissa maasto- ja sääoloissa arvioitu 75-80 %, jolloin kokonaistappiot olisivat olleet noin 2 700-2 800 konetta
Afganistanissa koetut varsinaiset tappiot olivat Venäjän puolustusministeriön mukaan kohonneet toukokuuhun 1989 mennessä 13 833 kaatuneeseen, 35 478 haavoittuneeseen sekä 310 kadonneeseen. Lähes 15 prosenttia kaatuneista olisi ollut upseereita. Luvut olivat todellisuudessa huomattavasti suuremmat: ilmeisesti noin 50 000 neuvostosotilasta kuoli ja kolme kertaa enemmän haavoittui.

Enemmän kuin miljoonan afgaanin arvioidaan kuolleen tässä sodassa.

Homoilivat ja vetivät huumeita. Ylemmät esikunnat sen lisäksi keskittyivät salakuljettamaan heroiinia Kultaisesta kolmiosta.

USA:lla oli asevelvollisista koottu armeija, samoin kuin neukuilla Afganistanissa, eli vastoin tahtoaan kasaan haalittua joukkoa, ketään ei oikeastaan kiinnostanut kuinka sodassa käy, laskettiin aamukamman piikkejä ja yritettiin itse säilyä hengissä kotiuttamiseen asti. Ei lopputulos oikeastaan voi muuta olla, asevelvollisia voi käyttää menestyksellä vain toisia samanlaisia vastaan. Lopputulokseen vaikutti myös, ettei jenkit saaneet pommittaa Pohjois-Vietnamin isoimpia kaupunkeja maantasalle.

Pohjois-Vietnamin armeijalla oli yksi maailman kehittyneimmistä ilmapuolustusjärjestelmistä ohjuksineen ja moderneine hävittäjineen, kiitos Neuvostoliiton ja sosialistisen kansainvälisen solidaarisuuden. Toki määrissä hävisivät amerikkalaisille, mutta silti.

Laatua pukkasi.

Ja Stinger-ohjukset lopettivat neukkujen ilmavoimien riekkumisen Afganistanin taivaalla!

Miksi NL ei vallannut Suomea? Sama syy kuin Vietnamin sodassa. Kansa puolustaa omaa maataan viimeiseen asti suurta imperialistista suurvaltaa vastaan. Suomesta ei loikannut upseereja NL:n armeijaan. Toisinpäin Lauri Törni loikkasi toisen imperialistisen suurvallan USA:n sotaväkeen ja oli mukana kun yritettiin alistaa toisella puolella maapalloa olevaa itsenäistä valtiota.

Itse asiassa USAn asevoimat eivät hävinneet ainoatakaan taistelua Vietnamissa. Vuoden 1968 Tet-hyökkäyksen jälkeen sen muodollinen päävastustaja Vietkong ei enää kyennyt suuriin operaatioihin ja oli käytännössä pois pelistä.

Sota hävittiin kotirintamalla, jossa kyllästyttiin seuraamaan hirveyksiä televisiosta. Seurauksena tehtiin rauha, jonka jälkeen amerikkalaiset pitivät sanansa ja vetäytyivät, mutta Pohjois-Vietnamin armeija, joka ei antanut rauhan kaltaisten pikkuasioiden häiritä toimintaansa, valloitti Etelä-Vietnamin.

== Jenkit hävisivät kaikki taistelut

Millä tavoin he hävisivät esimerkiksi Ap Gun taistelun?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ap_Gu

== Jenkit hävisivät kaikki taistelut

Millä tavoin he hävisivät esimerkiksi Prek Klokin taistelut?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prek_Klok_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prek_Klok_II

== Jenkit hävisivät kaikki taistelut

Millä tavoin he hävisivät esimerkiksi 1968 uudenvuodenpäivän taistelun?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Day_Battle_of_1968

1. Attack on Camp Holloway - In 1962, the U.S. Army established an airfield near Pleiku in central South Vietnam, which grew to include logistics elements and a large advisory group. In early 1965, some 300 Viet Cong slipped past ARVN guards and swept through the camp killing 8 Americans, wounding 126, destroying 10 aircraft and damaging 15 more. The Viet Cong withdrew to avoid battling reinforcements, with few losses.

2. Battle of Ap Bac - In January 1963, American advisors launched a battle after they pressured reluctant South Vietnamese officers to use American air mobility assets to destroy the Viet Cong. The attack was a disaster in which the VC mauled a far larger force while shooting down five American helicopters (pictured) and damaging eight, while killing three Americans and wounding eight.

3. The Sinking of the USNS Card - This World War II aircraft carrier was later used as a transport for American military cargo. On May 2, 1964, it was moored in a heavily defended harbor in the Saigon River. Two VC commandos crawled down a sewer pipe and attached explosives to the ship. The explosion knocked a huge hole in the hull and killed five American crewmen, causing the ship to sink 45 feet to the river bed.

4. Attack on Bien Hoa Airbase - On November 1, 1964, Viet Cong squads shelled the airfield at Bien Hoa with mortars. The attack began shortly after midnight and lasted 20 minutes. It was estimated that there were three 81mm mortars. The attack was effective as 27 aircraft were hit, including 20 B-57s (5 destroyed), 4 helicopters, and 3 A-1H Skyraiders. A fourth Skyraider crashed trying to take off. Five Americans and two Vietnamese were killed, and 43 wounded.

5. The Dragon's Jaw - On Apr 3, 1965, the U.S. military conducted the first of hundreds of bombing raids to destroy the Thanh Hoa Bridge in North Vietnam. Thousands of bombs were dropped and eleven American aircraft shot down with several more damaged beyond repair until the iron bridge finally fell in 1972.

6. Battle of Dong Xoai - Soon after American combat brigades arrived in South Vietnam, the NVA attacked this large, strategic base defended by ARVN units supported by American Special Forces and airpower. The base was overrun with hundreds of casualties while two dozen Americans died in combat and helicopter crashes, with even more wounded or missing.

7. Sapper Attack on Da Nang Airbase - North Vietnamese Army (NVA) sappers infiltrated this airbase on July 1, 1965. They destroyed three large C-130 transport aircraft, three F-102 fighters, and damaged three more F-102s. The sappers escaped leaving behind one dead.

8. Iron Hand Air Strikes - American aircraft had suffered losses from North Vietnamese Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems. On August 13, 1965, the Navy aircraft carriers USS Coral Sea and USS Midway launched 76 low-level "Iron Hand" missions to seek out and destroy SAM sites. Five aircraft and three pilots were lost to enemy guns, and seven other planes were damaged, but no SAMs were discovered.

9. Death of Supply Column 21 - Operation Starlite was the first major Marine Corps operation in Vietnam, and fighting was tougher than expected. A ship landed an armored supply column to support combat forces, which became lost and was attacked in a rice paddy on Aug 18, 1965. Five of the seven armored vehicles were destroyed (including two tanks) during a day long firefight. Five of the 27 Marines were killed and 17 wounded as they held off the enemy until daybreak.

10. The Battle of Ia Drang - This was one of many disastrous airmobile assaults, when infantry helicoptered into a remote area and encountered a larger enemy force with ample ammunition. On Nov 14, 1965, 450 soldiers from the 1st battalion of the 7th Cavalry landed at LZ X-ray and found itself surrounded with little ammunition and no heavy firepower. It was nearly overrun while suffering 79 killed and 121 wounded, and survived only by demanding all available air support in Vietnam. The 7th Cavalry left the area after declaring victory, while survivors pondered the wisdom of an attrition strategy using American foot infantry.

11. Battle for LZ Albany - The 1st battalion of the 7th Cavalry barely survived its now famous 1965 battle in the Ia Drang valley. After saving its 1st battalion, the exhausted 2nd battalion headed for LZ Albany for an aerial extraction. It was in a long column in open terrain when it ran into a concealed NVA battalion, which attacked and shot it to pieces during a bloody battle that claimed the lives of 155 Americans, with 124 wounded.

12. Attack on Marble Mountain - Some 90 Viet Cong sappers infiltrated this huge Marine Corps airfield and destroyed 19 helicopters and damaged 35 (11 of them severely). After this 30-minute rampage, the Viet Cong withdrew, leaving behind 17 dead and 4 wounded. American casualties were 3 killed and 91 wounded.

13. Operation Utah - On Mar 4, 1966, the 2nd battalion of the 7th Marines helicoptered into an area near Quang Ngai to investigate reports of an NVA regiment in the area. They found it dug into fortifications around Hill 50. Their attacked failed and the Marines fell back, but were surprised when the NVA counterattacked. The battalion was in trouble and more Marine units where flown in to join the battle. The enemy withdrew, but only after the Marines lost 98 dead, 278 wounded, with several aircraft destroyed.

14. Battle of Xa Cam My - A battalion from the 1st Infantry Division conducted another "search and destroy" sweep. Its three companies were deployed miles apart in hopes the NVA would attack one. They surrounded and blasted Charlie company, killing 38 and wounding 71 of its 134 soldiers before its other two companies came to the rescue.

15. Operation Paul Revere IV - Two cavalry battalions swept the Cambodian border area in search of the enemy. None were found, until Company C ran into a large force near Duc Co. Details are scarce, but two platoons were overrun and destroyed; only one soldier survived. The American dead were so numerous that they were hauled away in external cargo nets by helicopters.

16. Battle of Cu Nghi - As the 7th Cavalry began Operation Masher, a CH-47 helicopter was shot down. A company of soldiers was flown to the rescue, but they were shot up and pinned down. More units hastily arrived and found two battalions of entrenched NVA fighters firing away at troopers scattered around an area that became known as "the graveyard." Several helicopters where shot down during this three-day melee that left 140 Americans dead and 220 wounded.

17. Battle of Ho Bo Woods - On July 19, 1966, Company A, 1st Bn, 27th Rgt, 25th Division helicoptered into an LZ with 92 soldiers on a search and destroy mission. There is no account of what happened next, except that 25 were killed and 32 wounded as the company fled aboard helicopters, leaving 16 of their dead behind.

18. Operation Crimson Tide - On Oct 18, 1966 the first mission to rescue an American POW was launched. It ended in disaster, with 12 killed, 17 missing, two helicopters shot down, and no prisoners rescued.

19. "Black Friday"- Strike aircraft losses were common, but on December 2, 1966 the U.S. Air Force lost five aircraft and the Navy lost three aircraft to surface to air missiles or anti-aircraft gun fire. Air Force losses included three F-4Cs, one RF-4C, and an F-105. The Navy lost one F-4B and two Douglas A-4C Skyhawks.

20. Attack at Binh Duong - On Feb 26, 1967, a Viet Cong battalion nearly overran Alpha Company, 4th Battalion, 9th Regiment, of the Army's 25th Division. The VC slipped past camp defenses in a surprise attack that killed 19 Americans and several ARVN soldiers.

21. Operation Hickory - In May 1967, U.S. Marines were ordered to cross into the DMZ and destroy the NVA. Several days of frontal assaults killed lots of NVA lodged in fortifications, but also killed 142 Marines and wounded 896 until the marines withdrew after ten days of pointless attacks.

22. Battle near Vinh Huy - During Operation Union II, six rifle companies from the 5th Marines swept the Que Son Valley in search of the enemy. They located a large enemy force 1000 yards ahead across an open rice paddy. After some air and artillery strikes, three companies were ordered to charge across the open ground, and were shot to pieces. The bloodied Marines fell back during this June 2, 1967 battle with 71 KIA and 139 wounded.

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13. Operation Utah - On Mar 4, 1966, the 2nd battalion of the 7th Marines helicoptered into an area near Quang Ngai to investigate reports of an NVA regiment in the area. They found it dug into fortifications around Hill 50. Their attacked failed and the Marines fell back, but were surprised when the NVA counterattacked. The battalion was in trouble and more Marine units where flown in to join the battle. The enemy withdrew, but only after the Marines lost 98 dead, 278 wounded, with several aircraft destroyed.

14. Battle of Xa Cam My - A battalion from the 1st Infantry Division conducted another "search and destroy" sweep. Its three companies were deployed miles apart in hopes the NVA would attack one. They surrounded and blasted Charlie company, killing 38 and wounding 71 of its 134 soldiers before its other two companies came to the rescue.

15. Operation Paul Revere IV - Two cavalry battalions swept the Cambodian border area in search of the enemy. None were found, until Company C ran into a large force near Duc Co. Details are scarce, but two platoons were overrun and destroyed; only one soldier survived. The American dead were so numerous that they were hauled away in external cargo nets by helicopters.

16. Battle of Cu Nghi - As the 7th Cavalry began Operation Masher, a CH-47 helicopter was shot down. A company of soldiers was flown to the rescue, but they were shot up and pinned down. More units hastily arrived and found two battalions of entrenched NVA fighters firing away at troopers scattered around an area that became known as "the graveyard." Several helicopters where shot down during this three-day melee that left 140 Americans dead and 220 wounded.

17. Battle of Ho Bo Woods - On July 19, 1966, Company A, 1st Bn, 27th Rgt, 25th Division helicoptered into an LZ with 92 soldiers on a search and destroy mission. There is no account of what happened next, except that 25 were killed and 32 wounded as the company fled aboard helicopters, leaving 16 of their dead behind.

18. Operation Crimson Tide - On Oct 18, 1966 the first mission to rescue an American POW was launched. It ended in disaster, with 12 killed, 17 missing, two helicopters shot down, and no prisoners rescued.

19. "Black Friday"- Strike aircraft losses were common, but on December 2, 1966 the U.S. Air Force lost five aircraft and the Navy lost three aircraft to surface to air missiles or anti-aircraft gun fire. Air Force losses included three F-4Cs, one RF-4C, and an F-105. The Navy lost one F-4B and two Douglas A-4C Skyhawks.

20. Attack at Binh Duong - On Feb 26, 1967, a Viet Cong battalion nearly overran Alpha Company, 4th Battalion, 9th Regiment, of the Army's 25th Division. The VC slipped past camp defenses in a surprise attack that killed 19 Americans and several ARVN soldiers.

21. Operation Hickory - In May 1967, U.S. Marines were ordered to cross into the DMZ and destroy the NVA. Several days of frontal assaults killed lots of NVA lodged in fortifications, but also killed 142 Marines and wounded 896 until the marines withdrew after ten days of pointless attacks.

22. Battle near Vinh Huy - During Operation Union II, six rifle companies from the 5th Marines swept the Que Son Valley in search of the enemy. They located a large enemy force 1000 yards ahead across an open rice paddy. After some air and artillery strikes, three companies were ordered to charge across the open ground, and were shot to pieces. The bloodied Marines fell back during this June 2, 1967 battle with 71 KIA and 139 wounded.

23. August 1967 Air Battle - This war produced two American "Ace" fighter pilots (i.e. five or more aerial shoot downs), yet the North Vietnamese had 16, including Nguyen Van Coc (right), the top Ace of the war with nine kills. On Aug. 23, 1967, Coc led several MIG fighters to intercept a group of 40 American aircraft on a bombing mission. They shot down three American F-4D fighters and one F-105D fighter-bomber without losing a single MIG. Eight American aviators were killed or captured.

24. Battle of Prek Klok - During Operation Junction City, Company B from the 1st Battalion/16th Infantry went in search of the NVA. Independent accounts cannot be found, yet the Army's official history notes the company was blasted and nearly surrounded until rescued when another company came to its aid, allowing it to retreat. Company B was extracted by helicopter after suffering 25 dead and 28 wounded. Army Generals declared victory and awarded the company commander a silver star.

25. Kingfisher Battle - In 1967, "Operation Kingfisher" was launched to destroy NVA forces just south of the DMZ. On Sept. 21st, the 2nd battalion, 4th Marines began a "search and destroy" mission and quickly encountered the entrenched 90th NVA regiment. The Marines lacked tank support because recent rains limited road mobility, while the dense vegetation and close proximity of the enemy restricted air and artillery support. After a day-long battle, the Marines had suffered at least 16 dead and 118 wounded while trying to break out of the enemy's kill zone. The battalion withdrew at dusk, although flee may be a better term since 15 dead Marines were left behind. Details are sketchy, but the battalion didn't return to collect its dead until three weeks later. Veterans of the battle state they lost 34 KIA that day.

26. Rocket Attack on Da Nang - On July 15, 1967, the NVA conducted a major rocket bombardment on the key U.S. airbase at Da Nang. A total 83 NVA 122mm and 140mm rockets hit the base just before dawn, resulting in 8 killed, 175 wounded, 10 aircraft destroyed and 49 damaged.

27. The Battle of Thon Cam Son - In July 1967, the 2nd battalion of the 9th Marines crossed into the DMZ to find the NVA. They found abandoned base camps and bunkers because the NVA had pulled out and moved around behind them. The Marines had to fight their way back home, and more than half the unit bled as it lost 41 killed and 355 wounded.

28. Battle for Nui Ho Khe (Hill 88) - Marines were concerned that enemy units near their big Con Thien base threatened their main supply route. On Sept 10, 1967, the 3rd battalion of the 26th Marines ventured forward to secure Hill 88. It was surprised to encounter an entire NVA regiment, which counterattacked causing a bloody fight in which 3/26 suffered 300 casualties (40% including 37 KIA) and lost several tanks. It withdrew to Hill 48 where it made a successful last stand. While the NVA suffered more causalities, poor intel resulted in this clumsy assault that failed to reach its objective.

29. Slaughter at LZ Margo - The 2nd battalion of the 26th Marines helicoptered into LZ Margo near the DMZ on a standard search and destroy mission. Contact was light over the next three days as units swept the area. On Sept. 16, 1968, the battalion received an order from higher headquarters to withdraw into the small LZ where they had arrived, because a big B-52 air strike was planned in the area. Marines were worried because they were tightly grouped and the ground was rock hard so they couldn't dig in. They knew the NVA kept them under observation and were a perfect target for a mortar barrage. A short time later, hundreds of mortar rounds tore into the tightly packed Marines, killing 30 and wounding nearly 200 until the NVA ran out of ammo.

30. Operation Swift - U.S. Marines fought tough battles along the DMZ when NVA units moved across the border to inflict heavy causalities. Marine Generals sent rifle companies with ~140 Marines to search for and destroy the NVA intruders with artillery and airpower. This was effective, but larger NVA units sometimes trapped them in kill zones. In September 1967, they ambushed two Marine companies in the Que Son Valley. Operation Swift was launched to save them from destruction, but the two companies sent to the rescue were mauled. The end result was 127 Marines killed and 362 wounded. The NVA suffered more casualties, but accomplished their mission and withdrew northward.

31. Convoy Ambush near An Khe - In Sept 1967, 39 trucks from the U.S. Army's 8th Transportation Group were returning home after delivering supplies to Plekiu. They were escorted by two gun jeeps in an area considered mostly secure by the presence of the 1st Calvary Division. A Viet Cong company ambushed this big convoy in broad daylight. Seven Americans were killed, 17 wounded, and 30 vehicles were damaged or destroyed. The VC quickly disappeared and no evidence of enemy casualties were found.

32. Task Force Black Mauled - Half of the 1st Battalion/501st Regiment/173rd Airborne Brigade went in search for the NVA who had recently attacked their base. They ran into two NVA battalions, who shot them up from three directions. The rest of the battalion was sent to save them, and withdrew with 20 dead, 154 wounded, and two missing.

33. Battle near Ap Bac - The U.S. Army's 9th Infantry Division operated in the marshy delta region of southern Vietnam, often with Navy river patrol boats. During a routine battalion sweep, Alpha company from the 2nd Brigade crossed an open rice paddy and encountered Viet Cong ready to fight from concrete bunkers. Most of the company was wiped out in the first five minutes, and rest pinned down in the kill zone for hours until other companies arrived. This battle left 40 American dead and 140 wounded.

34. Battle for Hill 861 - In 1967, Bravo Company, 1st battalion, 9th Marines went to search for caves on Hill 861. After a skirmish, the company attacked up the hill without knowing that it had encountered a large enemy force. Most of Bravo was wiped out and the survivors were pinned down until rescued by Kilo company that night.

35. Overrun in Happy Valley - During the first two weeks of 1968, 69 soldiers from the 196th Infantry Brigade died in heavy fighting in the Hiep Duc Valley, Quang Tin Province. On January 9-10, Alpha and Delta companies from its 3/21 Infantry battalion were overrun. The Delta company commander and 27 men were killed. Dozens were wounded and eight Americans taken prisoner as survivors held out in small groups overnight until rescued the following day.

36. Ambush at Hoc Mon - In 1968, 92 American soldiers of C Company, 4th Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 25th Division began a search-and-destroy mission near Saigon. They were looking for a Viet Cong force that had been firing rockets into their Tan Son Nhut Air Base. As they rushed along a road without flank security to catch up with their battalion, they ran into an ambush. Within eight minutes, 49 American soldiers were dead or dying, and 29 were wounded.

37. Battle of Kham Duc - This large Special Forces camp was abandoned as it was overrun, despite reinforcement by an American infantry battalion from the 196th brigade. Hundreds of friendly civilians and militiamen were left behind as Americans escaped aboard helicopters and C-130s.

38. Khe Sahn Village Overrun - A large village three kilometers from the famous Khe Sahn military base was defended by 160 local troops, plus 15 American advisors and heavy artillery from the base. In January 1968, it was attacked by a ~300-man NVA battalion. Reinforcements were dispatched aboard nine UH-1 helicopters, but were wiped out after landing near the NVA, along with one helicopter. A small ground rescue force from the nearby base was repulsed, while the survivors from the village assault fled to the Khe Sahn base.

39. Battle of the Slopes - A company of American paratroopers was searching for the NVA in rough terrain when it was attacked by a large force. It suffered 76 KIA as it was nearly overrun, with two platoons wiped out. Newly arrived airborne officers had ignored warnings that they should maneuver as battalions because the NVA units in that area were larger, aggressive, and would attack a lone rifle company.

40. Battle of No Goi Island - The Viet Cong liked to fortify ambush sites and wait for the Americans to discover them. During Operation Allen Brook, three battalions of Marines swept through No Goi Island and found lots of Viet Cong ready to fight from bunkers near the village of Le Bac. During several days of bloody assaults, the Marines suffered 138 killed and 686 wounded (576 seriously) before the surviving Viet Cong fled. The extreme heat resulted in another 283 Marines evacuated due to heat stroke. Having suffered 50% causalities, Allen Brook was halted until fresh Marine units arrived.

41. Battle at the Ben Cui Rubber Plantation - American mechanized units had the firepower and mobility to rout any NVA force. An exception occurred in 1968 during a routine road sweep when Company C, 1st Bn (Mech), 25th Division ran into an aggressive NVA regiment. It quickly lost 5 APCs (right), with 17 killed (leaving just one officer), and two dozen wounded before it retreated to its home base, leaving most of its dead behind.

Omat koirat puri https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamin_sodan_vastaiset_protestit_Yhdysvalloissa
Osoitti myös hyvin median haitallisuuden sodankäynnissä.

Vietnamilaisten puolustustahto,laadukas sotamateriaali ja miesylivoima lopul-
ta pakottivat usan luikkimaan hopusti karkuun :)

Sodan loppulla Pohjois Vietnamilaiset mig-21.set pudotti jenkkikoneita 1:5 suhteella!

Teoriassa USA olisi voinut voittaa Vietnamin sodan. Mutta tämä olisi edellyttänyt sitä, että oltaisiin suostuttu muutamien kenraalien ajatuksiin taktisten ydinaseiden käyttöön Vietnamissa.
Mutta, poliittinen hinta olisi ollut liian korkea eikä siihen sitten menty. Moderni sotakoneistovaltio USA ei voinut sitten saavuttaa voittoa Vietnamissa vaikka yritti sitä. Tappio oli edessä ja sitten tuli KIIRE lähteä käpälämäkeen ja piti "unohtaa" oma asetoveri eli Etelä-Vietnam. Ja tämä sama on toistunut Afganistanissa ja Irakissa joissa jenkkien ja liittolaisten sotatoimien jälkeen jäljelle on jäänyt vain kaaos.
Voittoja ei saavuteta vaan jätetään kaaokset.

Nyt loppu jankkaaminen ja höpöttäminen. Hitlerin luottomies, erikoisjoukkojen päällikkö kertoo haastattelussa (käänn.suomeksi) v. 1968, miksi USA ei pärjännyt Vienamissa. Otto Skorzeny on maailman kaikkien aikojen tehokkain erikoisjoukkoja johtanut sotilas, joka tietää mistä puhuu. asiaa käsitellään nauhoitteen kohdalla 25:19 min
http://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2006/09/08/otto-skorzeny-seikkailija-vai-aatteen-mies#media=8686

Miksi yhdysvallat hävisi vietnamin sodan?

Vietnamin sota maksoi USA: lle noin 1000 miljardia vuoden 2019 dollaria.
CIA:n raportin mukaan Afganistanin sota 1979-1989 maksoi Neuvostoliitolle 115 miljardia vuoden 2019 dollaria .

Clausewitz sanoisi että kun sota on politiikan jatkamista toisin keinoin, niin USAn kansalais- ja poliittinen mielipideilmasto ei nähnyt mitään järkeä ajaa politiikkaa toiselle puolelle maapalloa ilman mitään nähtävissä olevaa hyötyä USAlle. Sotaa ajauduttiin käymään vähän vahingossa eikä sen voittoon uskottu.

Vietnam tänä päivänä pyrkii saamaan tukea USA:lta ja Ranskalta hegemoniaa vastaan.

Neuvostoliiton asevelvolliset karkailivat, osa vaihtoi puoltakin,

Tuoko oli syy jenkin tappioon Vietnamissa vai miksi tuon kirjoitit Vietnamia käsittelevään ketjuun ?

USA kykeni maksimissaan lähettämään vain 40 000 sotilasta maasodan taistelutehtäviin. Vain 7-8% kaikista sotilaistaan Vietnamissa. Suurin osa sotilaista "taisteli" bordelleissa.

Miksikä jenkit hävisi. No sehän on selvää kun katsoo nykypäivänäkin noita taistelukohtauksia YouTubesta, sotilaita sinkoilee edestakaisin kuin päättömiä kanoja ja jokainen huutaa jotain.
Sama on jenkkipoliiseilla, ampumistapauksissa poliiseja juoksentelee edestakaisin päättömästi, en ymmärrä mitä ne juoksentelee, tekevät asioita mikä vaikuttaa siltä että ovat shokissa ja shokissahan ihminen voi tehdä aivan käsittämättömiä asioita, vaikka alkaa kiillottamaan kenkiään.

Miksi USA hävisi Vietnamissa. Ja miksi Neuvostoliitto hävisi Afganistanissa.
Ne sodat muistuttavat hämmästyttävästi toisiaan.
Kukaan ei vielä ole sanonut sitä yksinkertaista syytä kumpaankaan häviöön.

Se häviön syy kummassakin sodassa oli, että ne sodat olivat SISÄLLISSOTIA.
Kummassakaan sodassa ulkopuolelta tulleiden valtioiden sotilaat eivät kyenneet tunnistamaan vihollista ja omalla puolella taistelevaa sotilasta.
Siviilivaatteissa liikkuvat sissit sulautuivat aivan rauhallisiksi kansalaisiksi tavallisten ihmisten joukkoon.
Ne sissit tekivät yllätyshyökkäyksiä, poistuivat paikalta ja laittoivat aseensa piiloon.
Toistivat sitä kerta toisensa jälkeen.
Kummassakin sodassa ulkopuolelta tulleet joukot erehtyivät tukemaan näissä sisällissodissa sitä osapuolta, jota kummassakin maassa kansan enemmistö vihasi.

Ei ollut hyötyä USA:n ja Neuvostoliiton sotilaallisesta ylivoimasta, kun ei ollut mihin sitä olisi voinut tarkasti käyttää.
Sitä tunnistamisongelmaa ei kyetty ratkaisemaan.

Toisin oli Persianlahden sodassa 1991. Lähdettiin ajamaan valloittaja pois Kuwaitista.
Sielllä oli selkeät rintamalinjat, joissa se voimankäyttö oli selkeää, ei tarvinnut pelätä, että tuhoaa ystävällismielisiä ihmisiä.
Irakin armeija murskattiin Kuwaitissa.
Kiitollisuuden osoituksena Kuwaitissa vuonna 1991 syntyneillä pojilla on monella nimenä Bush.