17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the Earth, has power to create the like of them? And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief."
According to Islam humans are not "image of God" like Bible teaches us. In the beginning (1:2) Koran says "Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the WORLDS". In Koran Allah has created us and "(other) things of which you have no knowledge" (16:8). Humans are not said to be created first, before us Allah created "Jinns", which sound like other species in space:
72:6-12 "(Jinns said:) ´True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them into further error. And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to judgement). And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. And we understand not whether evil is intended to THOSE ON EARTH, on whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct. There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths. But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, not can we ESCAPE Him BY FLIGHT.` "
Jinns are told to be created from "fire without smoke" before humans. When you think where fire does not have any smoke, it is in space without any oxygen. There is huge "torches" (of Koran), stars that are in constant state of burning and fire. When first stars exploided, all material for planets and even for us were born, so would not any possible alien-species be also from the stars? Allah said He created everything living from water, so Jinns clearly have experienced same kind of evolution as we have, beginning from water (as material for the planet came from the stars, “fire without smoke”). Jinns have been traditionally understanded as "spirits" or "ghosts", but from their descriptioning we have a hint from other more developed civilizations, which have for example capability to fly, to travel with developed ways (even among us unnoticed, f.ex. invisible or as a human). Jinns are even told to have been sitting on borders of heaven seeking way to get ("hear"=search for information) pass it, but noticed that it can not be done. So does Jinns mean aliens, both the spirits and alien-creatures, or are spirits in fact alien-creatures? According to Koran satan (Iblis) was originally a "Jinn", who was promoted to an angel (and began rebellious, knowledge brings responsibility), even that points to a very long life and developement with an invidual/species that finally got "promoted" clearly above his own level in "mega-evolution".
14:19-20 "Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He wills, He can remove you and bring (in your place) a new creation! And for Allah that is not hard or difficult."
42:29 "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures He has scattered through them: And He has power to gather them (heavens & earth / creatures) together when He wills."
We are young species, and with all probability there is lot more older species (intelligent creatures) than us, eventhough habitable planets would be even more rare than we think, it is VERY BIG space. These creatures also act (knowingly/unknowingly/accidentally) according to will of Allah (even used as tools or instruments by Him), that has been defined when the rules of nature have been decided and created. Rules of nature by Allah dictate also everything happening here, even us, because it has made us what we are.
55:33 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! Not without authority (/permission) shall ye be able to pass!"
Here is also hint that "jinns" have been able for space-travel before humans. Fact is, that if we will not get to other planets soon, we will be extinct species sooner or later. If we are able to pass athmosphere of our planet or border of universum, then we have had permission for it. For muslims living in space would be easier, pilgrimage to Mecca is not neccessary if there is no change for it, and in prayer it is possible to bow in any direction when no certainty about direction of Mecca.
One great evidence behalf of Koran is that it does not declare that each and everyone of us is going to die on earth, in this planet, but will leave it open that are we going to travel on other planets as we now see might be possible someday, although Koran speaks generally (many times as quotes of other than Allah) about humans living/who lived here and (6) about general life in here, which will not lose its meaning even for generations possibly on other planets as home of mankind. Mars could be easily and quickly habitated by giant domes build on lopes of mountains, where circulation of water (brought by pipes from northern polar cap) would go from lake/sea in the bottom of dome to upper hills of mountain, raining down (even as snow up enough) and forming rivers coming back to lake/sea under it.
72:8-9 "(Jinns said:)`And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.` "
In this part is told that "Jinns" have been "sitting" on the border of heavens (universum) to search behind it, and that they found it impossible to pass. If there is nothing behind border, where to cross it? What kind of natural phenomenous there could be close the border of heavens, universum and dimensions, where we can not get any information? "Guards" and "flames" (meteors and electric flows? Other dangerous flame-like phenomenous?) ?
6.100 "Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!"
In Koran is already answer for beliefs that other species from space would be responsible for religions (hindus and christians?Why??) and birth of humans (proved by evolution, would have been VERY slow process for other than God).
Allah has good guestion (3:94): why would He consive (/chosen) himself a son from humans and not from creation He is "more pleased with"? What do YOU think that beduiin from 7th century desert could meant with that?
According to Islam humans are not "image of God" like Bible teaches us. In the beginning (1:2) Koran says "Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the WORLDS". In Koran Allah has created us and "(other) things of which you have no knowledge" (16:8). Humans are not said to be created first, before us Allah created "Jinns", which sound like other species in space:
72:6-12 "(Jinns said:) ´True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them into further error. And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to judgement). And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. And we understand not whether evil is intended to THOSE ON EARTH, on whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct. There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths. But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, not can we ESCAPE Him BY FLIGHT.` "
Jinns are told to be created from "fire without smoke" before humans. When you think where fire does not have any smoke, it is in space without any oxygen. There is huge "torches" (of Koran), stars that are in constant state of burning and fire. When first stars exploided, all material for planets and even for us were born, so would not any possible alien-species be also from the stars? Allah said He created everything living from water, so Jinns clearly have experienced same kind of evolution as we have, beginning from water (as material for the planet came from the stars, “fire without smoke”). Jinns have been traditionally understanded as "spirits" or "ghosts", but from their descriptioning we have a hint from other more developed civilizations, which have for example capability to fly, to travel with developed ways (even among us unnoticed, f.ex. invisible or as a human). Jinns are even told to have been sitting on borders of heaven seeking way to get ("hear"=search for information) pass it, but noticed that it can not be done. So does Jinns mean aliens, both the spirits and alien-creatures, or are spirits in fact alien-creatures? According to Koran satan (Iblis) was originally a "Jinn", who was promoted to an angel (and began rebellious, knowledge brings responsibility), even that points to a very long life and developement with an invidual/species that finally got "promoted" clearly above his own level in "mega-evolution".
14:19-20 "Do you not see that Allah has created the heavens and the earth with truth? If He wills, He can remove you and bring (in your place) a new creation! And for Allah that is not hard or difficult."
42:29 "And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures He has scattered through them: And He has power to gather them (heavens & earth / creatures) together when He wills."
We are young species, and with all probability there is lot more older species (intelligent creatures) than us, eventhough habitable planets would be even more rare than we think, it is VERY BIG space. These creatures also act (knowingly/unknowingly/accidentally) according to will of Allah (even used as tools or instruments by Him), that has been defined when the rules of nature have been decided and created. Rules of nature by Allah dictate also everything happening here, even us, because it has made us what we are.
55:33 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! Not without authority (/permission) shall ye be able to pass!"
Here is also hint that "jinns" have been able for space-travel before humans. Fact is, that if we will not get to other planets soon, we will be extinct species sooner or later. If we are able to pass athmosphere of our planet or border of universum, then we have had permission for it. For muslims living in space would be easier, pilgrimage to Mecca is not neccessary if there is no change for it, and in prayer it is possible to bow in any direction when no certainty about direction of Mecca.
One great evidence behalf of Koran is that it does not declare that each and everyone of us is going to die on earth, in this planet, but will leave it open that are we going to travel on other planets as we now see might be possible someday, although Koran speaks generally (many times as quotes of other than Allah) about humans living/who lived here and (6) about general life in here, which will not lose its meaning even for generations possibly on other planets as home of mankind. Mars could be easily and quickly habitated by giant domes build on lopes of mountains, where circulation of water (brought by pipes from northern polar cap) would go from lake/sea in the bottom of dome to upper hills of mountain, raining down (even as snow up enough) and forming rivers coming back to lake/sea under it.
72:8-9 "(Jinns said:)`And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.` "
In this part is told that "Jinns" have been "sitting" on the border of heavens (universum) to search behind it, and that they found it impossible to pass. If there is nothing behind border, where to cross it? What kind of natural phenomenous there could be close the border of heavens, universum and dimensions, where we can not get any information? "Guards" and "flames" (meteors and electric flows? Other dangerous flame-like phenomenous?) ?
6.100 "Yet they make the Jinns equals with Allah, though Allah did create the Jinns; and they falsely, having no knowledge, attribute to Him sons and daughters. Praise and glory be to Him! (for He is) above what they attribute to Him!"
In Koran is already answer for beliefs that other species from space would be responsible for religions (hindus and christians?Why??) and birth of humans (proved by evolution, would have been VERY slow process for other than God).
Allah has good guestion (3:94): why would He consive (/chosen) himself a son from humans and not from creation He is "more pleased with"? What do YOU think that beduiin from 7th century desert could meant with that?
Vastaukset 2
Vanhimmat
"LENTÄKÄÄ JOS PYSTYTTE!"
Koraanin ihmeitä on että missään KAIKKIEN ihmisten ei sanota syntyvän/kuolevan maassa (vain ainoastaan Aatamin), vaikka silloin se varmaan vaikutti itsestään selvältä kenelle tahansa (muutenkin maan kuvaukset ovat kuin matkailuesitteestä, yleiskuvallisesti ihmiskunnan historiaan liittyviä):
7:19 "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."...
7:24-25
(Allah) said: "Get ye down. With enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood,- for a time."
He said: "Therein shall ye live, and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."
Seuraavassa annetaan lupa matkustaa taivaiden ja maan rajojen yli, jos vain pystymme (jolloin olemme saaneet luvan):
55:33 "O ye assembly of jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! Not without authority (/permission) shall ye be able to pass!"
Sitten hieman avaruusolioiden puhetta, jinnit on Koraanin mukaan luotu ennen ihmistä savuttomasta tulesta (tähdissä ei ole savua, ensimmäisistä räjähtäneistä tähdistä kaikki materia universumiin on tullut).
72:6-12 "(Jinns said:) ´True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the jinns, but they increased them into further error. And they (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to judgement). And we pried into the (secrets of) heaven (/we have sought to reach the heaven); but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. And we understand not whether evil is intended to THOSE ON EARTH, on whether their Lord (really) intends to guide them to right conduct. There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths. But we think that we can by no means frustrate Allah throughout the earth, not can we ESCAPE Him BY FLIGHT.` "
Koraanissa kuusta puhuttaessa käytetään sanaa "Valo" (nur) koska se heijastaa auringon valoa, sanaa "soihtu" (siraj) kun puhutaan auringosta, koska se antaa valoa ja lämpöä. Tähti (najm) on täydennetty toisella sanalla, "thaqib", joka kuvaa tähden palavan ja sen valon heijastuvan (kuusta) kun sen valo pakottaa tiensä läpi yön varjojen.
25:61 "Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars (constellations/star mansions/star groups), and placed therein a great lamp and a moon reflecting (/giving) light."
When Bible talks about sun and moon as two different light giving object of sky, Koran does difference between them using different descriptions: Light (nur), when talking about moon, and torch (siraj), when talking about sun. First one is dead rock that reflects shine of light, second one is formation of heaven, with lots of fuel to burn (like in a torch) in a constant state of burning giving both heat and light (like a torch). Word "star" (najm) is completed by other word, that describes star as burning and moon (reflecting light) when its (stars) light forces its way through shadows of night: this word is "thaqib". Moon is not said to produce light, only reflecting it. Same way Islam can only reflect small proportion of shine from light of Allah, not all in any case.
In Koran "kawbab" seems to mean definitely planets, that are formations of heaven wich reflect light and does not produce light like stars. Now we know how structure of heaven is balanced by ordered orbit of stars and stability in (changes of) gravity, which are connected to their mass and speed of own movement. But isn´t this just what Koran describes when mentioning this basics for this balance of heaven in 21:33 with words, that were undestand not before our time:
21:33 "It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course (/each in an orbit floating)."
55:5 "The sun and the moon run on their fixed courses (exactly) calculated with measured out stages for each (for reckoning).
As we now know, sun goes around centrum of our galaxy. Koran uses (for example 36:40) words "swim" and "floating", that sounds familiar with theory of space and time, how gravity affects in it by making a "hole" size of mass of celestial object (f.ex. sun), and how this "hole" in space-time field makes other bodies orbiting it to stay on their courses (bigger mass=bigger hole= more further away others have to be on "lower steps", so that too deep downhill in gravity will not swallow it, if too close). When in Europe they "knew" that sun is orbitting earth, this description could have been accepted even through their "science" (37:5 mentions "points of sun´s risings", 365, one for each day).