Tällä foorumilla on taitettu peistä siitä, löytyikö WTC:stä todella sulanutta terästä tornien tuhoutumisen jälkeen, vai onko kyse Mark Loiseaux'n ja Peter Tullyn mielikuvituksesta. Herrojen havainnolle näkyy kuitenkin löytyvän vahvistusta:
Dr. Keith Eaton toured Ground Zero and stated in The Structural Engineer, 'They showed us many fascinating slides' [Eaton] continued, 'ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster'. (Structural Engineer, September 3, 2002, p. 6.)
The observation of molten metal at Ground Zero was emphasized publicly by Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center Towers, who reported that 'As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.' (Williams, 2001, p. 3.)
Sarah Atlas was part of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue and was one of the first on the scene at Ground Zero with her canine partner Anna. She reported in Penn Arts and Sciences, summer 2002, 'Nobody's going to be alive.' Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet. (Penn, 2002.)
Dr. Allison Geyh was one of a team of public health investigators from Johns Hopkins who visited the WTC site after 9-11. She reported in the Late Fall 2001 issue of Magazine of Johns Hopkins Public Health, 'In some pockets now being uncovered they are finding molten steel.'
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
The New York Times kirjoittaa hyvin korkeissa lämpötiloissa osittain höyrystyneestä teräksestä artikkelissa "Engineers are baffled over the collapse of 7 WTC":
'A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr. [Jonathan] Barnett said.'
http://nogw.com/documents/0927200307NYTimes7WTCwhy_page.htm
Laitetaan tähän nyt vielä ne Tullyn and Loizeaux'n lausunnot:
Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction of Flushing, N.Y., told AFP that he saw pools of 'literally molten steel' at the World Trade Center. [...]
AFP asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site.
'Yes,' he said, 'hot spots of molten steel in the basements.'
These incredibly hot areas were found 'at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,' Loizeaux said.
The molten steel was found 'three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,' Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC [...]
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html
Kuva punaisena hehkuvasta teräksestä puolitoista kuukautta tornien tuhoutumisen jälkeen löytyy seuraavasta dokumentista:
http://www.liro.com/lironews.pdf
Dr. Keith Eaton toured Ground Zero and stated in The Structural Engineer, 'They showed us many fascinating slides' [Eaton] continued, 'ranging from molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event, to 4-inch thick steel plates sheared and bent in the disaster'. (Structural Engineer, September 3, 2002, p. 6.)
The observation of molten metal at Ground Zero was emphasized publicly by Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center Towers, who reported that 'As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.' (Williams, 2001, p. 3.)
Sarah Atlas was part of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue and was one of the first on the scene at Ground Zero with her canine partner Anna. She reported in Penn Arts and Sciences, summer 2002, 'Nobody's going to be alive.' Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet. (Penn, 2002.)
Dr. Allison Geyh was one of a team of public health investigators from Johns Hopkins who visited the WTC site after 9-11. She reported in the Late Fall 2001 issue of Magazine of Johns Hopkins Public Health, 'In some pockets now being uncovered they are finding molten steel.'
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
The New York Times kirjoittaa hyvin korkeissa lämpötiloissa osittain höyrystyneestä teräksestä artikkelissa "Engineers are baffled over the collapse of 7 WTC":
'A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr. [Jonathan] Barnett said.'
http://nogw.com/documents/0927200307NYTimes7WTCwhy_page.htm
Laitetaan tähän nyt vielä ne Tullyn and Loizeaux'n lausunnot:
Peter Tully, president of Tully Construction of Flushing, N.Y., told AFP that he saw pools of 'literally molten steel' at the World Trade Center. [...]
AFP asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site.
'Yes,' he said, 'hot spots of molten steel in the basements.'
These incredibly hot areas were found 'at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,' Loizeaux said.
The molten steel was found 'three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,' Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC [...]
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic_.html
Kuva punaisena hehkuvasta teräksestä puolitoista kuukautta tornien tuhoutumisen jälkeen löytyy seuraavasta dokumentista:
http://www.liro.com/lironews.pdf
Vastaukset 6
Vanhimmat
pätkääkään hämää että jatkuvasti väsäät tänne american free pressin selvästi vääristeltyjä juttuja.
Verratkaa mitä avauksessa Loizeaux'n väitetään sanoneen ja mitä hän itse on asiasta kirjoittanut:
I didn't personally see molten steel at the World Trade Center site. It was
reported to me by contractors we had been working with. Molten steel was
encountered primarily during excavation of debris around the South Tower
when large hydraulic excavators were digging trenches 2 to 4 meters deep
into the compacted/burning debris pile. There are both video tape and still
photos of the molten steel being "dipped" out by the buckets of excavators.
I'm not sure where you can get a copy.
Sorry I cannot provide personal confirmation.
Regards,
Mark Loizeaux, President
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC.
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland USA 21131
Tel: 1-410-667-6610
Fax: 1-410-667-6624
"Verratkaa mitä avauksessa Loizeaux'n väitetään sanoneen ja mitä hän itse on asiasta kirjoittanut"
Millä tavalla American Free Press on vääristellyt Loiseaux'n lausuntoa? Bollynhan kysyi Loizeaux'lta "raportista sulaneesta teräksestä". AFP kuvaa Loizeaux'n vastausta seuraavasti:
'Yes,' he said, 'hot spots of molten steel in the basements.'
These incredibly hot areas were found 'at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels,' Loizeaux said.
The molten steel was found 'three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,' Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC [...]
En näe tuossa mitään ristiriitaa lainaamasi Loizeaux'n viestin kanssa. (Olisit muuten voinut laittaa linkin.) AFP ei missään väitä, että Loizeaux olisi sanonut itse nähneensä sulaa terästä. Koska tästä ei ole kyse, kertoisitko, missä kohtaa AFP on syyllistynyt vääristelyyn.
Joka tapauksessa tuossa viestissään Loizeaux kertoo, että sulasta teräksestä on sekä videokuvaa että valokuvia.
Entäpä muut lainaamani lähteet? Ovatko nekin epäluotettavia?
ko.
... että Loizeaux olisi henkilökohtaisesti nähnyt sulaa terästä paikan päällä. Hän kuitenkin näyttää vahvistaneen, että siitä on kuva- ja videomateriaalia, mikäli tässä ketjussa esitetty linkittämätön lainaus on aito.
Sitä paitsi jos AFP olisi vääristellyt Loizeaux'n lausumaa, hän olisi varmaan vaatinut oikaisua tai julkaisun kannalta jotain vieläkin pahempaa.
Mutta takaisin itse asiaan: antavatko nämä kaikki lainaukset yhdessä vahvistusta sulan teräksen löytymiselle WTC:n raunioista?
...hiipinyt mieleen ajatus, että josko tämä "molten steel" olisikin saman tasoinen "fakta" kuin ne pulverisoituneet toimistokalusteetkin?
... kysymykselläsi viestini lopun kysymykseen. Ilmeisesti mikään maailman kuvaus ei riittäisi sinulle. Mitä siis ajattelet tuosta Structural Engineer -lehdestä lainatusta kuvauksesta?