Joseph Smith's Lies About Polygamy ("Plural/Celestial Marriage")
The Lie:
In May 1844, Joseph Smith preached a sermon in Nauvoo:
[William Law] has gone to Carthage and swore that I had told him that I was guilty of adultery. This spiritual wifeism! Why, a man dares not speak or wink, for fear of being accused of this.... A man asked me whether the commandment was given that a man may have seven wives; and now [William Law] has charged me with adultery....I am innocent of all these charges, and you can bear witness of my innocence, for you know me yourselves... What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. - (History of the Church 6:410-411)
The Truth:
By May, 1844, Joseph Smith had "married" over thirty women, after secretly instructing them that he had received a revelation from God commanding him to practice "celestial marriage" (polygamy). The revelation now is canonized as scripture in the Doctrine and Covenants, section 132. The marriage ("sealing") ceremonies were performed in secret, with one of Smith's church colleagues officiating. About one-third of the women had legal husbands still living. Most of the women stated later that their relatiionship to the prophet involved sexual intercourse. Since none of these marriages were legal under the civil laws in effect at the time, all these relationships were adulterous. For details, see Todd Compton, In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, Salt Lake City 1998.
The Lie:
Joseph Smith kept almost all his polygamous marriages secret from his legal wife Emma; that is, he deceived her about them. In March 1842 he authorized her to organize the Female Relief Society, with one of the purposes of the organization being to investigate debauchery and to protect women's morals, specifically from men who would try to seduce them.
The Truth:
Among the women present at the organizational meetings of Emma's Society were at least two plural wives of her husband (Louisa Beaman and Agnes Coolbrith Smith), as well as several other women to whom the secret doctrine had been taught. It was not until 1843 that Emma was informed about the doctrine. By that time Joseph had married over twenty women, including women and girls who had been living in the Smith home as boarders or wards (Eliza Snow, Emily Partridge, Elizabeth Partridge). For details, see Mormon Enigma: [Biography of] Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery, New York, 1984, chapters 7 and 8.
The revelation under authority of which Joseph Smith married these women, clearly requires the consent of the first wife:
...if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent... then is he justified... (D&C 132:61)
Not only did Smith not have Emma's consent, he did not even inform her of most of them.
Hyrum Smith's Lies About Polygamy
The Lie:
In the official Mormon periodical Times and Seasons, dated March 15, 1844, (Vol.5, No.6, p.474) Hyrum Smith, Joseph Smith's brother and Assistant President of the church, wrote:
To the brethren of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, living on China Creek, in Hancock County, Greeting: Whereas brother Richard Hewitt has called on me to-day, to know my views concerning some doctrines that are preached in your place, and states to me that some of your elders say, that a man having a certain priesthood, may have as many wives as he pleases, and that doctrine is taught here: I say unto you that that man teaches false doctrine, for there is no such doctrine taught here; neither is there any such thing practiced here, and any man that is found teaching privately or publicly any such doctrine, is culpable, and will stand a chance to be brought before the High Council, and lose his license and membership also: therefore he had better beware what he is about. [emphasis added]
The Truth:
At the time he wrote this, Hyrum Smith had married at least five wives polygamously, most within the previous year (he was converted to the secret polygamy doctrine in 1843). His polygamous wives were Mercy R. Fielding, Catherine Phillips, Lydia Dibble, Louisa Sanger, a woman named Perry and another woman named Derbot. (listed in D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power [Vol. 1], Salt Lake City 1994, pp. 583-584)
John Taylor's Lies
The Lie:
In a public debate with Protestant ministers at Boulogne-sur-Mer, France, in 1850, John Taylor (then an apostle, later to become the third president of the church), said:
We are accused here of polygamy, and actions the most indelicate, obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved heart could have contrived. These things are too outrageous to admit of belief; therefore... I shall content myself to reading our views of chastity and marriage, from a work published by us, containing some of the articles of our Faith. "Doctrine and Covenants," page 330, .... "we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife, and one woman but one husband." (Three Nights' Public Discussion..., published by John Taylor, Liverpool 1850, photocopy in Sharon Banister, For Any Latter-day Saint, Fort Worth 1988, p. 289)
The Truth:
At the time of this discussion, John Taylor was married to eleven wives in addition to his first (legal) wife: Elizabeth Kaighin, Jane Ballantyne, Anna Ballantyne, Mary A. Oakley, Mary A. Utley, Mary Ramsbottom, Sarah Thornton, Lydia Dibble (Hyrum Smith's polygamous widow), Ann Hughlings, Sophia Whittaker, and Harriet Whittaker. He had also been married to Mercy R. Fielding Smith (Hyrum Smith's widow), but the marriage had ended in divorce. (listed in D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power [Vol. 1], Salt Lake City 1994, p. 597)
Notice that Taylor cited the Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants as it was in effect and binding on all Mormons at that time. Thus Taylor (as well as Hyrum Smith and Joseph Smith) was in violation of the official laws of his own church, as well as the civil law. Notice that Taylor describes polygamy as "most indelicate, obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved heart could have contrived. ... too outrageous to admit of belief." Surely he could not have been sincere in such an opinion about a doctrine that he himself was practicing, and which he practiced and defended (as soon as it was officially admitted by Brigham Young in 1852) until the end of his life.
The Lie:
In May 1844, Joseph Smith preached a sermon in Nauvoo:
[William Law] has gone to Carthage and swore that I had told him that I was guilty of adultery. This spiritual wifeism! Why, a man dares not speak or wink, for fear of being accused of this.... A man asked me whether the commandment was given that a man may have seven wives; and now [William Law] has charged me with adultery....I am innocent of all these charges, and you can bear witness of my innocence, for you know me yourselves... What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers. - (History of the Church 6:410-411)
The Truth:
By May, 1844, Joseph Smith had "married" over thirty women, after secretly instructing them that he had received a revelation from God commanding him to practice "celestial marriage" (polygamy). The revelation now is canonized as scripture in the Doctrine and Covenants, section 132. The marriage ("sealing") ceremonies were performed in secret, with one of Smith's church colleagues officiating. About one-third of the women had legal husbands still living. Most of the women stated later that their relatiionship to the prophet involved sexual intercourse. Since none of these marriages were legal under the civil laws in effect at the time, all these relationships were adulterous. For details, see Todd Compton, In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, Salt Lake City 1998.
The Lie:
Joseph Smith kept almost all his polygamous marriages secret from his legal wife Emma; that is, he deceived her about them. In March 1842 he authorized her to organize the Female Relief Society, with one of the purposes of the organization being to investigate debauchery and to protect women's morals, specifically from men who would try to seduce them.
The Truth:
Among the women present at the organizational meetings of Emma's Society were at least two plural wives of her husband (Louisa Beaman and Agnes Coolbrith Smith), as well as several other women to whom the secret doctrine had been taught. It was not until 1843 that Emma was informed about the doctrine. By that time Joseph had married over twenty women, including women and girls who had been living in the Smith home as boarders or wards (Eliza Snow, Emily Partridge, Elizabeth Partridge). For details, see Mormon Enigma: [Biography of] Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery, New York, 1984, chapters 7 and 8.
The revelation under authority of which Joseph Smith married these women, clearly requires the consent of the first wife:
...if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent... then is he justified... (D&C 132:61)
Not only did Smith not have Emma's consent, he did not even inform her of most of them.
Hyrum Smith's Lies About Polygamy
The Lie:
In the official Mormon periodical Times and Seasons, dated March 15, 1844, (Vol.5, No.6, p.474) Hyrum Smith, Joseph Smith's brother and Assistant President of the church, wrote:
To the brethren of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, living on China Creek, in Hancock County, Greeting: Whereas brother Richard Hewitt has called on me to-day, to know my views concerning some doctrines that are preached in your place, and states to me that some of your elders say, that a man having a certain priesthood, may have as many wives as he pleases, and that doctrine is taught here: I say unto you that that man teaches false doctrine, for there is no such doctrine taught here; neither is there any such thing practiced here, and any man that is found teaching privately or publicly any such doctrine, is culpable, and will stand a chance to be brought before the High Council, and lose his license and membership also: therefore he had better beware what he is about. [emphasis added]
The Truth:
At the time he wrote this, Hyrum Smith had married at least five wives polygamously, most within the previous year (he was converted to the secret polygamy doctrine in 1843). His polygamous wives were Mercy R. Fielding, Catherine Phillips, Lydia Dibble, Louisa Sanger, a woman named Perry and another woman named Derbot. (listed in D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power [Vol. 1], Salt Lake City 1994, pp. 583-584)
John Taylor's Lies
The Lie:
In a public debate with Protestant ministers at Boulogne-sur-Mer, France, in 1850, John Taylor (then an apostle, later to become the third president of the church), said:
We are accused here of polygamy, and actions the most indelicate, obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved heart could have contrived. These things are too outrageous to admit of belief; therefore... I shall content myself to reading our views of chastity and marriage, from a work published by us, containing some of the articles of our Faith. "Doctrine and Covenants," page 330, .... "we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife, and one woman but one husband." (Three Nights' Public Discussion..., published by John Taylor, Liverpool 1850, photocopy in Sharon Banister, For Any Latter-day Saint, Fort Worth 1988, p. 289)
The Truth:
At the time of this discussion, John Taylor was married to eleven wives in addition to his first (legal) wife: Elizabeth Kaighin, Jane Ballantyne, Anna Ballantyne, Mary A. Oakley, Mary A. Utley, Mary Ramsbottom, Sarah Thornton, Lydia Dibble (Hyrum Smith's polygamous widow), Ann Hughlings, Sophia Whittaker, and Harriet Whittaker. He had also been married to Mercy R. Fielding Smith (Hyrum Smith's widow), but the marriage had ended in divorce. (listed in D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power [Vol. 1], Salt Lake City 1994, p. 597)
Notice that Taylor cited the Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants as it was in effect and binding on all Mormons at that time. Thus Taylor (as well as Hyrum Smith and Joseph Smith) was in violation of the official laws of his own church, as well as the civil law. Notice that Taylor describes polygamy as "most indelicate, obscene, and disgusting, such that none but a corrupt and depraved heart could have contrived. ... too outrageous to admit of belief." Surely he could not have been sincere in such an opinion about a doctrine that he himself was practicing, and which he practiced and defended (as soon as it was officially admitted by Brigham Young in 1852) until the end of his life.
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Vanhimmat
Tässä lista "profeetta" John Taylorin vaimoista aikana jolloin hän julkisesti kiisti Ranskassa mormonien harrastavan moniavioisuutta:
Leonora Cannon, vihitty 1833, 4 lasta
Elizabeth Kaighin, vihitty 1843, 3 lasta
Jane Ballantyne, vihitty 1844, 3 lasta
Anna Ballantyne (Allen), vihitty 1844, erilleen 1845, avioero 1852
Mary A. Oakley, vihitty 1845, 5 lasta
Mary A. Utley, vihitty 1846
Mary Ramsbottom, vihitty 1846
Sarah Thornton (Coleman) vihitty 1846, avioero 1852
Lydia Dible (Granger Smith), vihitty 1846
Ann Hughlings (Pitchforth),vihitty 1846
Sophia Whittaker, vihitty 1847, 8 lasta
Harriet Whittaker, vihitty 1847, 3 lasta
Hän oli myös naimisissa Mercy R. Fieldingin (Thompson Smith)kanssa 2 vuotta, 1845-1847.
Ja vielä kehtasi "profeetta" syyttää 1850 että väitteet että mormoneilla olisi ollut monia vaimoja olisivat olleet iljettäviä valheita.
"Voi valehtelijaa, sillä hänet syöstään helvettiin."
Mormonin kirja 2 Nephi (Nefi) 2:39
10:25-26
"...Ja niin hän houkuttelee heitä ja sanoo heille, ettei valehteleminen suinkaan ole syntiä, jos valehtelee saadakseen toisen kiinni valheesta ja tuhotakseen hänet.
Ja näin hän houkuttelee ja johdattaa heitä, kunnes hän vetää heidän sielunsa helvettiin ja niin hän saattaa heidät takertumaan itse asettamaansa ansaan."
Pelkää tekstin lainausta.. EI mitään omaperäistä tai uutta.
Sääntöjen vastainen viesti... Pyydänkö poistamaan vai jätetäänkö todisteena postaajan idioottimaisesta yrityksestä trollata?
ajattelin samaa...
luuta
Ja siksi haluat taas poistaa tekstin? Ottakaapa koneellenne talteen ennen kuin häviää.
Tapani heittää jatkuvasti linkkejä Jeffin sivuihin ilmaan mitään omaa asiaan perehtymistä tai kunnollista kannanottoa...
"Ja siksi haluat taas poistaa tekstin?"
Ensinnäkin, minähän en sanonut että haluan poistaa tuon tekstin... Vaan "Pyydänkö poistamaan vai jätetäänkö todisteena postaajan idioottimaisesta yrityksestä trollata?"....
"Ottakaapa koneellenne talteen ennen kuin häviää."
Ei kannata, kuten totesinkin, niin viestissä ei ole mitään originaalia tekstiä... Kaikki tuo löytyy jo netistä.
"Tapani heittää jatkuvasti linkkejä Jeffin sivuihin ilmaan mitään omaa asiaan perehtymistä tai kunnollista kannanottoa..."
Sentäs edes pelkkiä linkkejä... Ja missä minä olen puollustanut ko. toimentaa???? Kaksi väärää ei tee oikeata - tiedoksi sinullekin...
Eikä tässä ole kysessä mikään "Etkö taaskaan osaa vastata?" jutusta. Mitään KYSYMYSTÄHÄN ko. tekstin postaaja ei esittänyt....
Pelkklää huono trolli, näitä on ollut verkko ja keskutelupalstata pullolaan ihan "Netin" aluasta alkaen ... eli 80-luvulta asti... Sitä varten luotiin netiketti....
Minäkään en halua vastata jollekin, joka ei ole kirjoittanut koskaan tälle palstalle mitään. Jos tekstin kirjoittaja kävisi täällä, sitten voisin harkita.
Aivan samaa mieltä! Näin on! Kyllä, kyllä!
Aloituksessa oli asia, johon zappaxkin olisi hyvin voinut tuoda jotakin uutta ja omaa eikä takertua siihen että teksti oli jonkun muun kuin sen tänne panijan (en se ollut minäkään vaikka se tuttu olikin).
Vastineen sijasta mormoni hyökkää henkilöä vastaan ja takertuu sanoihin yrittäen kääntää koko keskustelun pois raiteiltaan.
Kyseessä oli siis profeettojen valehteleminen. Eikä ollut kyse vain muutamasta kerrasta vaan valehteleminen oli jatkuvaa.
"Mitään KYSYMYSTÄHÄN ko. tekstin postaaja ei esittänyt...."
Se, että alkuperäinen juttu ei ollut kysymyksen muodossa, ei pitäisi estää keskustelua aiheesta. Mutta mormonille se riittää verukkeeksi.
Ei minulla ole mitään velvollisuutta vastata viestiin joka on pelkkä cut&paste jostakin muusta paikasta.
Mitään vastinetta on turha tollasiin teksteihin pistää, sitä varten keksittiin netiketti... kauan sitten....
"Vastineen sijasta mormoni hyökkää henkilöä vastaan..."
Ja missä minä hyökkäsin henkilöä vastaan?
"... yrittäen kääntää koko keskustelun pois raiteiltaan."
Cut & paste ei ole mitään keskutelua...
"Kyseessä oli siis profeettojen valehteleminen."
Olis sen sitten selvällä suomen kielellä aloittanut keskutelun... Eikä heittänyt cut&paste tekstiä... Ihan kun mormoneilla (tai kenellä muulla tahansa) olisi velvollisuus niitä kommentoida....
"Eikä ollut kyse vain muutamasta kerrasta vaan valehteleminen oli jatkuvaa."
Mihin asti ja miksi?
Minä:"Mitään KYSYMYSTÄHÄN ko. tekstin postaaja ei esittänyt...."
"Se, että alkuperäinen juttu ei ollut kysymyksen muodossa, ei pitäisi estää keskustelua aiheesta. "
Mutta kun juttu ei ollut edes kirjoittajan oma vaan TÄYSIN CUT&PASTEA... sellaiseen on turha tarttua mitenkään.
"Mutta mormonille se riittää verukkeeksi."
Ei riitä, vaan se että ko. viesti on 100%sesti netiketin vastainen...
jos keskustelusta tulee vain linkittelyä. Niin minulle tehtiin yhdellä toisella sivulla. Pian ei voi uskoa, että toinen henkilö oikeasti kiinnostuisi siitä, mitä minä kirjoitan.
Sellainen on myös väsyttävää.