mistä löytäisin yhden E.G.W.n kirjoituksen. Minulla on vain hänen suomennettuja kirjojaan. Ja niistä jossakin Ellen kuvailee uutta temppeliä. (Siinä kerrotaan taivaassa tai uudessa maassa olevasta temppelistä. Tämä temppeli oli rakennettu seitsemän tukipylvään päälle)
Olen varma, että olen sen lukenut hänen kirjastaan ja haluaisin löytää tuon kohdan.
Jos joku tietää tuon kohdan, niin voisitko neuvoa, KIITOS!
Olen varma, että olen sen lukenut hänen kirjastaan ja haluaisin löytää tuon kohdan.
Jos joku tietää tuon kohdan, niin voisitko neuvoa, KIITOS!
Vastaukset 10
Vanhimmat
Väärän William Millerin laskelman mukaan Jeesuksen piti tulla 22.10.1844 eikä tullut, siitä vouhkaantuneena osa yritti löytää syytä tulemattomuuteen ja siihen hätään tuli Ellenin muka Jumalalta saama näky heti joulukuussa eli vain 1-2 kuukautta pettymyksen jälkeen. Tästä näystä joukko milleristejä sitten ottikin korvasyyhyynsä tarinan, joka ei tuominnutkaan ennustusta vääräksi, vaan päinvastoin nosti siihen uskoneet ainoaksi taivaaseen matkalla olevaksi joukoksi.
Juuri tuossa Ellenin ensimmäisessä näyssä puhutaan tuosta seitsemästä pylväästä:
To the Remnant Scattered Abroad.
As God has shown me in holy vision the travels of the Advent people to the Holy City, and the rich reward to be given those who wait the return of their Lord from the wedding, it may be my duty to give you a short sketch of what God has revealed to me. The dear saints have got many trials to pass through. But our light afflictions, which are but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory--while we look not at the things which are seen, for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. I have tried to bring back a good report, and a few grapes from the heavenly Canaan, for which many would stone me, as the congregation bade stone Caleb and Joshua for their report, (Num. 14:10.) But I declare to you, my brethren and sisters in the Lord, it is a goodly land, and we are well able to go up and possess it.
While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, "Look again, and look a little higher." At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path,[ A MAT. 7:14.] cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were travelling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry.[ B MAT. 25:6.] This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way off, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters,[ C EZE. 43:2. JOEL, 3:16. REV. 16:17.] which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming.[ D EZE. 12:25. MARK, 13:32.] The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake.[ E JOHN, 12:29.] When God spake the time, he poured on us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai.[ F ISA. 10:27.]
By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name.[ G REV. 3:12.] At our happy, holy state the wicked were enraged, and would rush violently up to lay hands on us to thrust us in prison, when we would stretch forth the hand in the name of the Lord, and the wicked would fall helpless to the ground. Then it was that the synagogue of Satan knew that God had loved us who could wash one another's feet, and salute the holy brethren with a holy kiss, and they worshipped at our feet.[ H REV. 3; 9.] Soon our eyes were drawn to the East, for a small black cloud had appeared about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the Sign of the Son of Man.[ I MAT. 24; 30.] We all in solemn silence gazed on the cloud as it drew nearer, lighter, and brighter, glorious, and still more glorious, till it was a great white cloud.[ J REV. 14; 14.] The bottom appeared like fire, a rainbow was over it, around the cloud were ten thousand angels singing a most lovely song. And on it sat the Son of Man,[ K LUKE, 21; 27.] on his head were crowns,[ L REV. 19; 12.] his hair was white and curly and lay on his shoulders.[ M REV. 1; 14.] His feet had the appearance of fire,[ N REV. 1; 15.] in his right hand was a sharp sickle,[ O REV. 14; 14.] in his left a silver trumpet.[ P THESS. 4; 16.] His eyes were as a flame of fire,[ Q REV. 1; 14.] which searched his children through and through. Then all faces gathered paleness, and those that God had rejected gathered blackness. Then we all cried out, who shall be able to stand? Is my robe spotless? Then the angels ceased to sing, and there was some time of awful silence,[ R REV. 8; 1.] when Jesus spoke. Those who have clean hands and a pure heart shall be able to stand, my grace is sufficient for you. At this, our faces lighted up, and joy filled every heart. And the angels struck a note higher and sung again while the cloud drew still nearer the earth. Then Jesus' silver trumpet sounded, as he descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire[ S 2 THESS. 1: 7,8] He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised his eyes and hands to heaven and cried out,[ T JOHN, 5; 25.] Awake! Awake! Awake! ye that sleep in the dust, and arise. Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, Hallelujah! as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air.[ U THESS. 4; 17.] We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought along the crowns and with his own right hand placed them on our heads.[ V 2 ESDRAS, 2; 43.] He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory.[ W REV. 15; 2. REV. 7; 9.] Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet.[ X REV. 7:9.] Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the City. Jesus raised his mighty glorious arm, laid hold of the gate and swung it back on its golden hinges, and said to us, You have washed your robes in my blood, stood stifly for my truth, enter in.[ Y ISA. 26:2.] We all marched in and felt we had a perfect right in the City. Here we saw the tree of life, and the throne of God. Out of the throne came a pure river of water, and on either side of the river was the tree of life.[ Z REV. 22; 1,2.] On one side of the river was a trunk of a tree and a trunk on the other side of the river, both of pure transparent gold. 16
At first I thought I saw two trees. I looked again and saw they were united at the top in one tree. So it was the tree of life, on either side of the river of life; its branches bowed to the place where we stood; and the fruit was glorious, which looked like gold mixed with silver. We all went under the tree, and sat down to look at the glory of the place, when brothers Fitch and Stockman, who had preached the gospel of the kingdom, and whom God had laid in the grave to save them, came up to us and asked us what we had passed through while they were sleeping. We tried to call up our greatest trials, but they looked so small compared with the far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory[ AA 2 COR. 4; 17.] that surrounded us, that we could not speak them out,[ BB ISA. 65; 17.] and we all cried out Hallelujah, heaven is cheap enough, and we touched our glorious harps and made heaven's arches ring. And as we were gazing at the glories of the place our eyes were attracted upwards to something that had the appearance of silver. I asked Jesus to let me see what was within there. In a moment we were winging our way upward, and entering in; here we saw good old father Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Daniel, and many like them. And I saw a vail with a heavy fringe of silver and gold, as a border on the bottom; it was very beautiful. I asked Jesus what was within the vail. He raised it with his own right arm, and bade me take heed. I saw there a glorious ark, overlaid with pure gold, and it had a glorious border, resembling Jesus' crowns; and on it were two bright angels--their wings were spread over the ark as they sat on each end, with their faces turned towards each other and looking downward.[ CC EX. 25; 18, 20. HEB. 9; 3-5.] In the ark, beneath where the angels' wings were spread, was a golden pot of Manna, of a yellowish cast; and I saw a rod, which Jesus said was Aaron's; I saw it bud, blossom and bear fruit.[ DD NUM. 17; 8.] And I saw two long golden rods, on which hung silver wires, and on the wires most glorious grapes; one cluster was more than a man here could carry. And I saw Jesus step up and take of the manna, almonds, grapes and pomegranates, and bear them down to the city, and place them on the supper table. I stepped up to see how much was taken away, and there was just as much left; and we shouted Hallelujah--Amen. We all descended from this place down into the city, and with Jesus at our head we all descended from the city down to this earth, on a great and mighty mountain, which could not bear Jesus up, and it parted asunder, and there was a mighty plain.[ EE ZECH. 14; 4.] Then we looked up and saw the great city, with twelve foundations, twelve gates, three on each side, and an angel at each gate, and all cried out, "the city, the great city, it's coming, it's coming down from God, out of heaven;"[ FF REV. 21, 10-13.] and it came and settled on the place where we stood. Then we began to look at the glorious things outside of the city. There I saw most glorious houses, that had the appearance of silver, supported by four pillars, set with pearls, most glorious to behold, which were to be inhabited by the saints;[ GG ISA. 65, 21.] in them was a golden shelf; I saw many of the saints go into the houses, take off their glittering crowns and lay them on the shelf, then go out into the field by the houses to do something with the earth;[ HH ISA. 65: 21.] not as we have to do with the earth here; no, no. A glorious light shone all about their heads, and they were continually shouting and offering praises to God.
And I saw another field full of all kinds of flowers, and as I plucked them, I cried out, well they will never fade. Next I saw a field of tall grass, most glorious to behold; it was living green, and had a reflection of silver and gold, as it waved proudly to the glory of King Jesus. Then we entered a field full of all kinds of beasts--the lion, the lamb, the leopard and the wolf, altogether in perfect union;[ II ISA. 11: 6-9.] we passed through the midst of them, and they followed on peaceably after. Then we entered a wood, not like the dark woods we have here, no, no; but light, and all over glorious; the branches of the trees waved to and fro, and we all cried out, "we will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in this woods."[ JJ EZE. 34: 25.] We passed through the woods, for we were on our way to Mount Zion. As we were travelling along, we met a company who were also gazing at the glories of the place. I noticed red as a border on their garments; their crowns were brilliant; their robes were pure white. As we greeted them, I asked Jesus who they were? He said they were martyrs that had been slain for him. With them was an innumerable company of little ones; they had a hem of red on their garments also.[ KK JER. 31: 15-17. MAT. 2:18.] Mount Zion was just before us, and on the Mount sat a glorious temple, and about it were seven other mountains, on which grew roses and lilies,[ LL 2 ESDRAS, 2:19.] and I saw the little ones climb, or if they chose, use their little wings and fly to the top of the mountains, and pluck the never fading flowers. There were all kinds of trees around the temple to beautify the place; the box, the pine, the fir. the oil, the myrtle, the pomegranate, and the fig tree bowed down with the weight of its timely figs, that made the place look all over glorious.[ MM ISA. 60: 13. ISA. 41: 19.] And as we were about to enter the holy temple, Jesus raised his lovely voice and said, only the 144,000 enter this place, and we shouted Hallelujah.
Well, bless the Lord, dear brethren and sisters, it is an extra meeting for those who have the seal of the living God[ NN REV. 14:3.] This temple was supported by seven pillars, all of transparent gold, set with pearls most glorious. The glorious things I saw there, I cannot describe to you. O, that I could talk in the language of Canaan, then could I tell a little of the glory of the upper world; but, if faithful, you soon will know all about it. I saw there the tables of stone in which the names of the 144,000 were engraved in letters of gold; after we had beheld the glory of the temple, we went out. Then Jesus left us, and went to the city; soon, we heard his lovely voice again, saying-- "Come my people, you have come out of great tribulation, and done my will; suffered for me; come in to supper, for I will gird myself, and serve you."[ OO LUKE, 12: 37.] We shouted Hallelujah, glory, and entered into the city . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And I saw a table of pure silver, it was many miles in length, yet our eyes could extend over it. And I saw the fruit of the tree of life, the manna, almonds, figs, pomegranates, grapes, and many other kinds of fruit. We all reclined at the table. I asked Jesus to let me eat of the fruit. He said, not now. Those who eat of the fruit of this land, go back to earth no more. But in a little while, if faithful, you shall both eat of the fruit of the tree of life, and drink of the water of the fountain; and he said, you must go back to the earth again, and relate to others, what I have revealed to you. Then an angel bore me gently down to this dark world. Sometimes I think I cannot stay here any longer, all things of earth look so dreary--I feel very lonely here, for I have seen a better land. O, that I had wings like a dove, then would I fly away, and be at rest. - (Ellen Whiten kirjoitus kirjassa: A Word to the "Little Flock", James White, 1847, s. 14-18)
Luettuasi tuon pahoilta hengiltä tulleen näyn, vastaapa näihin kysymyksiin:
"As God has shown me in holy vision" sanoo Ellen White (os Harmon) eli "Jumala on näyttänyt minulle pyhässä näyssä". Kyse ei siis ole mistään unesta, vaan näystä.
"Advent people to the Holy City" - kyse oli siis vain adventistien matkasta pyhään kaupunkiin. Uskotko, että vain adventistit ovat matkalla Pyhään Kaupunkiin?
"who wait the return of their Lord from the wedding" - eivät tempaukseen osallistuvat Raamatun mukaan odota Jeesusta tulemaan häistä heitä tempaamaan, vaan häät valmistetaan juuri uskovia varten, joita he juhlivat Jeesuksen kanssa taivaassa tultuaan sinne temmatuiksi. Uskotko, että Jeesus vietti taivaassa Raamatussa kerrotut häät jo ennen 22.10.1844?
"On this path the Advent people were travelling to the City" - polkua Kaupunkiin kulkivat adventistit. Uskotko, että ovi on muilta suljettu ja vain adventistit ovat taivaspolulla?
"bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry.[ B MAT. 25:6.]" Adventisteilla oli takanaan valona keskiyön huuto, joka ei ollut mikään muu kuin tuo William Millerin väärä laskelma 22.10.1844 Jeesuksen tulemisesta. Miten väärä profetia 22.10.1844:stä voi olla valona taivaaseen kulkeville?
"Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected" Adventisteista, muitahan ei edes taivaaseen ollut menossa, jotkut lakkasivat uskomasta 22.10.1844:ään ja niinpä he putosivat pois polulta pimeään maailmaan eivätkä enää pystyneet polulle nousemaan sen enempää kuin ei-adventistitkaan. Uskotko sinä, että ne, jotka eivät usko 22.10.1844:ään ovat suljetut pois mahdollisuudestakin päästä taivaaseen?
"voice of God like many waters,[ C EZE. 43:2. JOEL, 3:16. REV. 16:17.] which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming" Jumalan ääni muka kertoi Ellenille Jeesuksen tulemisen ei vain päivälleen vaan tunnilleen. Täysin epäraamatullista, koska edes Raamatun ilmoitusprofeetoille Jumala ei sitä kertonut. Jeesus sanoi: "Mutta siitä päivästä ja hetkestä ei tiedä kukaan, eivät taivasten enkelit, eikä myöskään Poika, vaan Isä yksin" (Matt 24:36) Haluatko uskoa tuommoiseen Ellenin valheeseen, että hänelle Jumala kertoi tunnilleen Jeesuksen tulemisen?
"The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake" Eläviä pyhiä eli adventisteja oli Ellenin mukaan 144.000 eli tuo joukko, joka Raamatussa on sanottu olevan lopunajan israelilaisia ja heistä on oikein sukukunnatkin lueteltu (Ilm 7: 4-8). Uskotko, että nuo Ellenin ajan adventistit tai adventistit ylipäätäänkin ovat tuo 144.000?
"By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name.[ G REV. 3:12.] At our happy, holy state the wicked were enraged, and would rush violently up to lay hands on us to thrust us in prison, when we would stretch forth the hand in the name of the Lord, and the wicked would fall helpless to the ground" Ellenin 144000 joukko sinetöitiin ja muut ihmiset suuttuivat heille ja yrittivät vangita heidät, mutta ellenistit nostivat kätensä Herran nimessä ja muut ihmiset kaatuivat avuttomina maahan. Uskotko, että adventisteilla on tuollainen sinetti ja te voitte kaataa ihmiset käden huiskautuksella maahan?
"Then it was that the synagogue of Satan knew that God had loved us who could wash one another's feet, and salute the holy brethren with a holy kiss, and they worshipped at our feet." Muut kuin adventistit ovat saatanan synagooga ja joutuvat palvomaan adventistien jaloissa, koska Jumala rakastaa vain adventisteja, jotka pesevät toistensa jalat ja suutelevat toisiaan. Uskotko, että noin on?
"were seven days ascending to the sea of glass" Miksi tempauksen yhteydessä nouseminen taivaaseen kesti 7 päivää, eihän kyse ole mistään päivämatkoista, vaan vain toisesta ulottuvuudesta, jossa on heti, kun tästä ulottuvuudesta siihen siirtyy. Uskotko, että taivaaseen nousu kestää 7 päivää?
"In a moment we were winging our way upward" Jo taivaassa ollessaan tempauksen jälkeen, Ellen ja adventistit lensivät siipiään lepattaen paikasta toiseen. Tarvitseeko sinunkin mielestäsi ihmiset taivaassa siipiä siirtyäkseen paikasta toiseen? Löydätkö Raamatustakin vahvistuksen siipiopille?
"In the ark, beneath where the angels' wings were spread, was a golden pot of Manna, of a yellowish cast; and I saw a rod, which Jesus said was Aaron's; I saw it bud, blossom and bear fruit.[ DD NUM. 17; 8.] And I saw two long golden rods, on which hung silver wires, and on the wires most glorious grapes; one cluster was more than a man here could carry. And I saw Jesus step up and take of the manna, almonds, grapes and pomegranates, and bear them down to the city, and place them on the supper table" Ellen näki arkin ja mitä siellä oli sisällä, ja kas, siellä ei ollut ollenkaan laintauluja, vaikka ne sitten taas seuraavissa näyissä, kun piti ajaa läpi ellensapattia, olivatkin arkissa.
"There I saw most glorious houses, that had the appearance of silver, supported by four pillars, set with pearls, most glorious to behold, which were to be inhabited by the saints;[ GG ISA. 65, 21.] in them was a golden shelf; I saw many of the saints go into the houses, take off their glittering crowns and lay them on the shelf, then go out into the field by the houses to do something with the earth;[ HH ISA. 65: 21.] not as we have to do with the earth here; no, no." Uudessa Jerusalemissa se vasta kummallinen paikka oli, ihmiset asuivat taloissa ja työskentelivät pellolla. Missäs Raamatussa löydät tuommoisen Uuden Jerusalemin kuvauksen?
"Then we entered a field full of all kinds of beasts--the lion, the lamb, the leopard and the wolf, altogether in perfect union;[ II ISA. 11: 6-9.] we passed through the midst of them, and they followed on peaceably after. jne " Tuohan on Raamatun kuvausta tuhavuotisesta valtakunnasta maan päällä eikä Uuden Jerusalemin tapahtumia. Jehovilla on juuri samanlainen materiaalinen taivas kuin adventisteillakin. Uskotko Uuden Jerusalemin olevan materiaalinen vai hengellinen?
"And as we were about to enter the holy temple, Jesus raised his lovely voice and said, only the 144,000 enter this place, and we shouted Hallelujah. " Raamatunhan mukaan Uuden Jerusalemin temppeli on Jumala(Ilm 21:22) ei siis mikään rakennus. Kumpaa uskot enemmän Elleniä vai Raamattua tässä asiassa?
Vastaan sinulle myöhemmin noihin kysymyksiin.
Mutta, edelleen. Mistähän löytäisin tuon tekstin hänen suomennetuista kirjoistaan. Haluaisin tarkistaa ymmärsinkö oikein kirjoituksen, vai jäikö minulle virheellinen käsitys tekstistä.
Neuvokaahan jos tiedätte. Kiitos!
Ei noita Ellenin ensimmäisiä kirjoituksia ole missään adventtikirkon kirjoissa kokonaan suomeksi käännettyinä. Kun Jeesus ei tullut 1851, niinkuin Ellen ja muut "ovensulkijat" odottivat, niin kaikki Ellenin kirjoitukset yritettiin tuhota ja Whiten pariskunta lähti lipettiin Michiganiin. Lucinda Burdick kirjoittaa: "Pian tämän jälkeen sekä luottamus että kiinnostus tätä fanaattista pariskuntaa kohtaan katosi, kun näyt eivät olleet vain lapsellisia ja mieltä vailla, vaan kerrassaan ristiriitaisia... Heidän vaikutuksensa ja kenttätyönsä Mainessa oli menetetty ja he menivät pian länteen, missä he onnistuivat luomaan melkoista kiinnostusta ja laajan seuraajakunnan sapattiopetuksensa avulla." (Anderson Dirk 1999. WHITE OUT, s. 35-36; lainannut Burdickin kirjettä 26.9.1908)
Ellen sitten julkaisi kirjan ja väitti, että siinä on kaikki tuhotut kirjoitukset, että mitään ei piilotella. Mutta eihän siinä ollut.
Whitet keräsivät Ellenin varhaiset kirjoitukset ja systemaattisesti poistivat suljettua ovea puoltavat kohdat ja julkaisivat korjatun version vuonna 1851 sanoen sitä Ellenin ensimmäiseksi kirjaksi nimellä A Sketch of the Christian Experience and Views. Tästä lähtien he julkisesti väittivät, ettei Ellen ollut koskaan saanut näkyjä suljetusta ovesta. Joskus James saattoi myöntää, että kenties Ellen oli ollut kohtuuttomasti suljetun oven kannattajien vaikutuksen alaisena ensimmäisten näkyjensä aikana. (Hawley Don 1997. ELLEN WHITE. Netiltä www.sabbath.com. luku 7)
A Word to the Little Flock, 1847 ja Present Thruth, 1849-1850 siis oli häivytetty ja 64 sivuinen Experience and Views, 1850 koottu tilalle.
ISOLLA OLEVAT OLIVAT A WORD TO THE “LITTLE FLOCK” KIRJASSA 1847, MUTTA POISTETTU TÄSTÄ MYÖHEMMÄSTÄ KIRJASTA:
My First Vision
As God has shown me IN HOLY VISION the travels of the Advent people to the Holy City and the rich reward to be given those who wait the return of their Lord from the wedding, it may be my duty to give you a short sketch of what God has revealed to me. The dear saints have GOT many trials to pass through. But our light afflictions, which are but for a moment, will work /WORKETH for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory--while we look not at the things which are seen, for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. I have tried to bring back a good report and a few grapes from the heavenly Canaan, for which many would stone me, as the congregation bade stone Caleb and Joshua for their report. (Num. 14:10.) But I declare to you, my brethren and sisters in the Lord, it is a goodly land, and we are well able to go up and possess it.
While I was praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell upon /0N me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them, when a voice said to me, "Look again, and look a little higher." At this I raised my eyes, and saw a straight and narrow path, cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the city, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the beginning /FIRST END of the path, which an angel told me was the midnight cry. This light shone all along the path and gave light for their feet so that they might not stumble. AND If they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the city, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and said the city was a great way off, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising His glorious right arm, and from His arm came a GLORIOUS light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted, "Alleluia!" /HALLELUJAH Others rashly denied the light behind them and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out, leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and lost sight /GOT THEIR EYES 0FF of the mark and of LOST SIGHT OF Jesus, and fell off the path down into /IN the dark and wicked world below. IT WAS JUST AS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET ON THE PATH AGAIN AND GO TO THE CITY, AS ALL THE WICKED WORLD WHICH GOD HAD REJECTED. THEY FELL ALL THE WAY ALONG THE PATH ONE AFTER ANOTHER, UNTIL Soon /- we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming. The living saints, 144,000 in number, knew and understood the voice, while the wicked thought it was thunder and an earthquake. When God spoke /SPAKE the time, He poured upon /ON us the Holy Ghost, and our faces began to light up and shine with the glory of God, as Moses' did when he came down from Mount Sinai.
BY THIS TIME The 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious star containing Jesus' new name. At our happy, holy state the wicked were enraged, and would rush violently up to lay hands on us to thrust us into /IN prison, when we would stretch forth the hand in the name of the Lord, and they /THE WICKED would fall helpless to the ground. Then it was that the synagogue of Satan knew that God had loved us who could wash one another's feet and salute the brethren with a holy kiss, and they worshiped at our feet.
Soon our eyes were drawn to the east, for a small black cloud had appeared, about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the sign of the Son of man. We all in solemn silence gazed on the cloud as it drew nearer and became lighter, /LIGHTER AND BRIGHTER glorious, and still more glorious, till it was a great white cloud. The bottom appeared like fire; a rainbow was over the cloud /IT, while /- around it /THE CLOUD were ten thousand angels, singing a most lovely song; and upon/ON it sat the Son of man. ON HIS HEAD WERE CROWNS His hair was white and curly and lay on His shoulders; and upon His head were many crowns /-. His feet had the appearance of fire; in His right hand was a sharp sickle; in His left, a silver trumpet. His eyes were as a flame of fire, which searched His children through and through. Then all faces gathered paleness, and those that God had rejected gathered blackness. Then we all cried out, "Who shall be able to stand? Is my robe spotless?" Then the angels ceased to sing, and there was some time of awful silence, when Jesus spoke: "Those who have clean hands and pure hearts /HEART shall be able to stand; My grace is sufficient for you." At this our faces lighted up, and joy filled every heart. And the angels struck a note higher and sang again, while the cloud drew still nearer the earth.
Then Jesus' silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire. He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried OUT, "Awake! awake! awake! ye that sleep in the dust, and arise." Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, "Alleluia!" /HALLELUJAH as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air.
We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns, and with His own right hand placed them on our heads. He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory. Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet. Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the city. Jesus raised His mighty, glorious arm, laid hold of the pearly /- gate, swung it back on its glittering /GOLDEN hinges, and said to us, "You have washed your robes in My blood, stood stiffly for My truth, enter in." We all marched in and felt that we had a perfect right in the city.
Here we saw the tree of life and the throne of God. Out of the throne came a pure river of water, and on either side of the river was the tree of life. On one side of the river was a trunk of a tree, and a trunk on the other side of the river, both of pure, transparent gold. At first I thought I saw two trees. I looked again, and saw that they were united at the top in one tree. So it was the tree of life on either side of the river of life. Its branches bowed to the place where we stood, and the fruit was glorious; it looked like gold mixed with silver.
We all went under the tree and sat down to look at the glory of the place, when Brethren /BROTHERS Fitch and Stockman, who had preached the gospel of the kingdom, and whom God had laid in the grave to save them, came up to us and asked us what we had passed through while they were sleeping. We tried to call up our greatest trials, but they looked so small compared with the far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory that surrounded us that we could not speak them out, and we all cried out, "Alleluia, /HALLELUJAH heaven is cheap enough!" and we touched our glorious harps and made heaven's arches ring.
AND AS WE WERE GAZING AT THE GLORIES OF THE PLACE OUR EYES WERE ATTRACTED UPWARDS TO SOMETHING THAT HAD THE APPEARANCE OF SILVER. I ASKED JESUS TO LET ME SEE WHAT WAS WITHIN THERE. IN A MOMENT WE WERE WINGING OUR WAY UPWARD, AND ENTERING IN; HERE WE SAW GOOD OLD FATHER ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, NOAH, DANIEL, AND MANY LIKE THEM. AND I SAW A VAIL WITH A HEAVY FRINGE OF SILVER AND GOLD, AS A BORDER ON THE BOTTOM; IT WAS VERY BEAUTIFUL. I ASKED JESUS WHAT WAS WITHIN THE VAIL. HE RAISED IT WITH HIS OWN RIGHT ARM, AND BADE ME TAKE HEED. I SAW THERE A GLORIOUS ARK, OVERLAID WITH PURE GOLD, AND IT HAD A GLORIOUS BORDER, RESEMBLING JESUS´ CROWNS; AND ON IT WERE TWO BRIGHT ANGELS – THEIR WINGS WERE SPREAD OVER THE ARK AS THEY SAT ON EACH END, WITH THEIR FACES TURNED TOWARS EACH OTHER AND LOOKING DOWNWARD. IN THE ARK, BENEATH WHERE THE ANGELS´ WINGS WERE SPREAD, WAS A GOLDEN POT OF MANNA, OF A YELLOWISH CAST; AND I SAW A ROD, WHICH JESUS SAID WAS AARON´S; I SAW IT BUD, BLOSSOM AND BEAR FRUIT. AND I SAW TWO LONG GOLDEN RODS, ON WHICH HUNG SILVER WIRES, AND ON THE WIRES MOST GLORIOUS GRAPES; ON CLUSTER WAS MORE THAN A MAN HERE COULD CARRY. AND I SAW JESUS STEP UP AND TAKE OF THE MANNA, ALMONDS, GRAPES AND POMEGRANATES, AND BEAR THEM DOWN TO THE CITY, AND PLACE THEM ON THE SUPPER TABLE. I STEPPED UP TO SEE HOW MUCH WAS TAKEN AWAY, AND THERE WAS JUST AS MUCH LEFT; AND WE SHOUTED HALLELUJAH – AMEN. WE ALL DESCENDED FROM THIS PLACE DOWN INTO THE CITY, AND With Jesus at our head we all descended from the city down to this earth, on a great and mighty mountain, which could not bear Jesus up, and it parted asunder, and there was a mighty plain. Then we looked up and saw the great city, with twelve foundations, and twelve gates, three on each side, and an angel at each gate. AND We /- all cried out, "The city, the great city, it's coming, it's coming down from God out of heaven," and it came and settled on the place where we stood. Then we began to look at the glorious things outside of the city. There I saw most glorious houses, that had the appearance of silver, supported by four pillars set with pearls most glorious to behold. These were to be inhabited by the saints. In each was a golden shelf. I saw many of the saints go into the houses, take off their glittering crowns and lay them on the shelf, then go out into the field by the houses to do something with the earth; not as we have to do with the earth here; no, no. A glorious light shone all about their heads, and they were continually shouting and offering praises to God.
I saw another field full of all kinds of flowers, and as I plucked them, I cried out, WELL "They will never fade." Next I saw a field of tall grass, most glorious to behold; it was living green and had a reflection of silver and gold, as it waved proudly to the glory of King Jesus. Then we entered a field full of all kinds of beasts--the lion, the lamb, the leopard, and the wolf, all together in perfect union. We passed through the midst of them, and they followed on peaceably after. Then we entered a wood, not like the dark woods we have here; no, no; but light, and all over glorious; the branches of the trees moved /WAVED to and fro, and we all cried out, "We will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods." We passed through the woods, for we were on our way to Mount Zion.
As we were traveling along, we met a company who also were gazing at the glories of the place. I noticed red as a border on their garments; their crowns were brilliant; their robes were pure white. As we greeted them, I asked Jesus who they were. He said they were martyrs that had been slain for Him. With them was an innumerable company of little ones; they also had a hem of red on their garments. Mount Zion was just before us, and on the mount was /SAT a glorious temple, and about it were seven other mountains, on which grew roses and lilies. And I saw the little ones climb, or, if they chose, use their little wings and fly, to the top of the mountains and pluck the never-fading flowers. There were all kinds of trees around the temple to beautify the place: the box, the pine, the fir, the oil, the myrtle, the pomegranate, and the fig tree bowed down with the weight of its timely figs--these made the place all over glorious. And as we were about to enter the holy temple, Jesus raised His lovely voice and said, "Only the 144,000 enter this place," and we shouted, "Alleluia." /HALLELUJAH
WELL, BLESS THE LORD. DEAR BRETHREN AND SISTERS, IT IS AN EXTRA MEETING FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE SEAL OF THE LIVIN GOD. This temple was supported by seven pillars, all of transparent gold, set with pearls most glorious. The wonderful /GLORIOUS things I there saw I /I SAW cannot describe TO YOU. Oh, that I could talk in the language of Canaan, then could I tell a little of the glory of the better /UPPER world. BUT, IF FAITHFUL, YOU SOON WILL KNOW ALL ABOUT IT. I saw there tables of stone in which the names of the 144,000 were engraved in letters of gold. After we HAD beheld the glory of the temple, we went out, and /THEN Jesus left us and went to the city. Soon we heard His lovely voice again, saying, "Come, My people, you have come out of great tribulation, and done My will; suffered for Me; come in to supper, for I will gird Myself, and serve you." We shouted, "Alleluia! /HALLELUJAH glory!" and entered into the city. TÄSSÄ KOHTAA RIVI PISTEITÄ ELI JOTAIN POISTETTU JO LITTLE FLOCKIN VERSIOSTA And I saw a table of pure silver; it was many miles in length, yet our eyes could extend over it. I saw the fruit of the tree of life, the manna, almonds, figs, pomegranates, grapes, and many other kinds of fruit. WE ALL RECLINED AT THE TABLE. I asked Jesus to let me eat of the fruit. He said, "Not now. Those who eat of the fruit of this land go back to earth no more. But in a little while, if faithful, you shall both eat of the fruit of the tree of life and drink of the water of the fountain." And He said, "You must go back to the earth again and relate to others what I have revealed to you." Then an angel bore me gently down to this dark world. Sometimes I think I can stay here no /ANY longer; all things of earth look so dreary. I feel very lonely here, for I have seen a better land. Oh, that I had wings like a dove, then would I fly away and be at rest! –
Lähteet: Ellen White, Early Writings, osa Experience and Views http://www.ellenwhite.org/sl/ew1.htm
James White, A Word to the "Little Flock", Ellenin Whiten kirjoitus "To the remnant scattered abroad" sivut 14-18.
Tuo kyseinen kohta on jossakin suomennoksessa. Ja sen haluaisin löytää. Luulisi jonkun tietävän tuon kohdan myös näissä suomennetuissa kirjoissa. Jään odottamaan...
Asiaan ei sisälly sen suurempaa tramatiikkaa, haluaisin vain mielenkiinnosta löytää tuon kohdan.
Otin vinkistä vaarin ja löysin tekstin kirjasta "Hengellisiä kokemuksia" s. 22. Minäkin luin englanniksi kirjoitetun tekstin, mutta tuntuihan siinä kaikki oleellinen olevan.
"Temppeliä kannatti seitsemän patsasta, jotka kaikki olivat läpikuultavaa kultaa ja kaunistetut mitä ihanimmilla helmillä. En voi kuvailla kaikkia ihmeellisyyksiä, jotka siellä näin..."
Niinpä, niin korkealla kuin taivas on maasta, ovat Jumalan ajatukset meidän ajatuksistamme. Ihminen ei voi kuvailla täydellisesti, mitä näkee, ei Johanneskaan osannut, kun Ilmestyskirjan näkyjä kuvaili. Olemme niin vajavaisia. Mutta onneksi meillä on tulevaisuus, jossa Jumala antaa meille uudet kyvyt, taivaalliset kyvyt, jotka mahdollistavat näkemään kaiken täydellisenä.
ne Ellenin ajatukset? Eli onko näin:
Jumalan ajatukset = Ellenin ajatukset ja
Ellenin ajatukset = Jumalan ajatukset?
Miksi seven pillars eli seitsemän pilaria on käännetty patsaiksi?
Mistään en Raamatusta löydä, että taivaassa olisi temppeliä kannattelemassa seitsemää pilaria - ei nyt eikä myöhemmin.
Uudessa maassa ja taivaassa (Ilm 21:1-6) ei mikään ole tätä samaa materiaalia kuin nyt täällä on. Jerusalem on uskovat (Ilm 21:9-10), sen muurit ovat 12 Israelin sukukuntaa ja sen perustana on 12 apostolia (Ilm 21:14). Jumala itse on temppeli (Ilm 21:22) ja uskovat siinä elävinä pylväinä:
”Joka voittaa, sen minä teen pylvääksi Jumalani temppeliin, eikä hän koskaan enää lähde sieltä ulos, ja minä kirjoitan häneen Jumalani nimen ja Jumalani kaupungin nimen, sen uuden Jerusalemin, joka laskeutuu alas taivaasta minun Jumalani tyköä, ja oman uuden nimeni.” (Ilm 3:12)
Siispä pylväitä ei ole 7, vaan lukemattomia. Mitään Jumalaa kannattelevia patsaita ei mainita missään.
Oli mukava, että löysit löysi tuon kohdan. KIITOS!
mitä Jumala on varannut omilleen taivaassa, sanoohan Raamattu.Mitä silmä ei ole nähnyt, eikä korva kuullut, mikä ei ole koskaan ihmisen aivoitukseen astunut, sen Jumala on varannut niille jotka Häntä rakastavat.
Uskoisin että Alfa&Omega sarjasta löydät.
En tarkkaan muista mistä.
Samoin "Tunnustuskirjana Pyhä Raamattu" kirjasta voi löytää selvää tekstiä.
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