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Jesaja 14/12-13
Kuinka olet taivaalta pudonnut,sinä kointähti,aamuruskon poika! Kuinka olet maahan syösty,sinä kansojen kukistaja.

Sinä sanoit sydämessäsi:Minä nousen taivaaseen.
Korkeammalle Jumalan tähtiä minä istuimeni korotan
ja istun ilmestysvuorelle pohjoisimpaan pohjolaan.


Saatana olisi halunnut valta-istuimelle,niinpä
saatana valehteli Whitelle seuraavasti:Lainaus: ”Ne, jotka eivät uskoneet Ellenin näkyyn, että 22.10.1844 Jeesus oli noussut valtaistuimelta, mennyt taivaassa toiseen huoneeseen ja sulkenut oven takanaan, rukoilivat yhä taivaan istuimella istuvaa Jumalaa, mutta siellä olikin saatana Hänen tilallaan, joten heidän rukouksensa menivät saatanalle: "Jeesus oli lähtenyt siltä. Saatana ilmestyi valtaistuimelle yrittäen jatkaa Jumalan työtä. Minä näin heidän katsovan ylös valtaistuimeen ja rukoilevan, ´Isä, anna meille Henkesi´, silloin Saatana puhalsi heidän päälleen epäpyhän vaikutuksen; siinä oli valoa ja paljon voimaa, mutta ei suloista rakkautta, iloa eikä rauhaa. Saatanan tavoite oli pitää heidät petettyinä ja houkutella takaisin ja pettää Jumalan lapset” #5.”    
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Sitäpaitsi,uskoisin,että tässäkin jutussa,kuten usein ennenkin,on paljon sinun "suolaamistasi"mukana.

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  • Syytät minua tietämättömäksi ämmäksi ja valehtelijaksi, mutta jokainen järjissään oleva ihminen voi lukea, että olen kirjoittanut totta, sillä se on kirjallisista lähteistä todennettavissa.

    Minulla on tuo kirja, missä tuokin Ellenin näky on, mutta sitä voi lukea myös netiltä (esim: http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw2.htm ), joten lukasepas sieltä niin ei tarvitse sitten enää esittää tietämätöntä ja yrittää eksyttää, että hei kirjaa ei ole.

    Tässä tuo koko näky Ellenin itsensä kirjoittamana:

    Letter from Sister Harmon - Falmouth, MA, Feb. 15, 1846
    Bro. Jacobs:-- My vision which you published in the Day-Star was written under a deep sense of duty, to you, not expecting you would publish it. Had I for once thought it was to be spread before the many readers of your paper, I should have been more particular and stated some things which I left out. As the readers of the Day-Star have seen a part of what God has revealed to me, and as the part which I have not written is of vast importance to the Saints; I humbly request you to publish this also in your paper. God showed me the following, one year ago this month:--I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. I gazed on Jesus' countenance and admired his lovely person. The Fathers person I could not behold for a cloud of glorious light covered him. I asked Jesus if his Father had a form like himself; He said he had, but I could not behold it; for, said he, if you should for once see the glory of his person, you would cease to exist. Before the throne was the Advent people, the Church, and the world. I saw a company bowed down before the throne, deeply interested while most of them stood up disinterested and careless. Those who were bowed before the throne would offer up their prayers and look to Jesus, then he would look to his Father and appeared to be pleading with him. Then a light came from the Father to his Son and from him to the praying company. Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from the Father to the Son and from the Son it waved over the people before the throne. But few would receive this great light. Many came out from under it and immediately resisted it. Others were careless and did not cherish the light and it moved off from them. Some cherished it and went and bowed down before the throne with the little praying company. This company all received the light, and rejoiced in it as their countenances shone with its glory. Then I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the Holy of Holies within the vail, and did sit. There I saw thrones which I had not seen before. Then Jesus rose up from the throne, and most of those who were bowed down rose up with him. And I did not see one ray of light pass from Jesus to the careless multitude after he rose up, and they were left in perfect darkness. Those who rose up when Jesus did, kept their eyes fixed on him as he left the throne, and led them out a little way, then he raised his right arm and we heard his lovely voice saying, wait ye, I am going to my Father to receive the Kingdom. Keep your garments spotless and in a little while I will return from the wedding, and receive you to myself. And I saw a cloudy chariot with wheels like flaming fire. Angels were all about the chariot as it came where Jesus was; he stepped into it and was borne to the Holiest where the Father sat. Then I beheld Jesus as he was before the Father a great High Priest. On the hem of his garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Then Jesus shewed me the difference between faith and feeling. And I saw those who rose up with Jesus send up their faith to Jesus in the Holiest, and praying, Father give us thy spirit. Then Jesus would breathe on them the Holy Ghost. In the breath was light, power and much love, joy and peace. Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne. They did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and pray, My Father give us thy spirit. Then Satan would breathe on them an unholy influence. In it there was light and much power, but no sweet love, joy and peace. Satan's object was to keep them deceived and to draw back and deceive God's children. I saw one after another leave the company who were praying to Jesus in the Holiest, go and join those before the throne and they at once received the unholy influence of Satan.
    About four months since, I had a vision of events, all in the future. And I saw the time of trouble, such as never was,--Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob's trouble, and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four Angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night till be began to hear the bells on Jesus' garment. And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus' coming. Then the saints were free, united and full of the glory of God, for he had turned their captivity. And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days, the Synagogue of Satan worshiped at the saints feet.
    Ellen G. Harmon

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  • uskova_1 kirjoitti:

    Syytät minua tietämättömäksi ämmäksi ja valehtelijaksi, mutta jokainen järjissään oleva ihminen voi lukea, että olen kirjoittanut totta, sillä se on kirjallisista lähteistä todennettavissa.

    Minulla on tuo kirja, missä tuokin Ellenin näky on, mutta sitä voi lukea myös netiltä (esim: http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw2.htm ), joten lukasepas sieltä niin ei tarvitse sitten enää esittää tietämätöntä ja yrittää eksyttää, että hei kirjaa ei ole.

    Tässä tuo koko näky Ellenin itsensä kirjoittamana:

    Letter from Sister Harmon - Falmouth, MA, Feb. 15, 1846
    Bro. Jacobs:-- My vision which you published in the Day-Star was written under a deep sense of duty, to you, not expecting you would publish it. Had I for once thought it was to be spread before the many readers of your paper, I should have been more particular and stated some things which I left out. As the readers of the Day-Star have seen a part of what God has revealed to me, and as the part which I have not written is of vast importance to the Saints; I humbly request you to publish this also in your paper. God showed me the following, one year ago this month:--I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. I gazed on Jesus' countenance and admired his lovely person. The Fathers person I could not behold for a cloud of glorious light covered him. I asked Jesus if his Father had a form like himself; He said he had, but I could not behold it; for, said he, if you should for once see the glory of his person, you would cease to exist. Before the throne was the Advent people, the Church, and the world. I saw a company bowed down before the throne, deeply interested while most of them stood up disinterested and careless. Those who were bowed before the throne would offer up their prayers and look to Jesus, then he would look to his Father and appeared to be pleading with him. Then a light came from the Father to his Son and from him to the praying company. Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from the Father to the Son and from the Son it waved over the people before the throne. But few would receive this great light. Many came out from under it and immediately resisted it. Others were careless and did not cherish the light and it moved off from them. Some cherished it and went and bowed down before the throne with the little praying company. This company all received the light, and rejoiced in it as their countenances shone with its glory. Then I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the Holy of Holies within the vail, and did sit. There I saw thrones which I had not seen before. Then Jesus rose up from the throne, and most of those who were bowed down rose up with him. And I did not see one ray of light pass from Jesus to the careless multitude after he rose up, and they were left in perfect darkness. Those who rose up when Jesus did, kept their eyes fixed on him as he left the throne, and led them out a little way, then he raised his right arm and we heard his lovely voice saying, wait ye, I am going to my Father to receive the Kingdom. Keep your garments spotless and in a little while I will return from the wedding, and receive you to myself. And I saw a cloudy chariot with wheels like flaming fire. Angels were all about the chariot as it came where Jesus was; he stepped into it and was borne to the Holiest where the Father sat. Then I beheld Jesus as he was before the Father a great High Priest. On the hem of his garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Then Jesus shewed me the difference between faith and feeling. And I saw those who rose up with Jesus send up their faith to Jesus in the Holiest, and praying, Father give us thy spirit. Then Jesus would breathe on them the Holy Ghost. In the breath was light, power and much love, joy and peace. Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne. They did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and pray, My Father give us thy spirit. Then Satan would breathe on them an unholy influence. In it there was light and much power, but no sweet love, joy and peace. Satan's object was to keep them deceived and to draw back and deceive God's children. I saw one after another leave the company who were praying to Jesus in the Holiest, go and join those before the throne and they at once received the unholy influence of Satan.
    About four months since, I had a vision of events, all in the future. And I saw the time of trouble, such as never was,--Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob's trouble, and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four Angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night till be began to hear the bells on Jesus' garment. And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus' coming. Then the saints were free, united and full of the glory of God, for he had turned their captivity. And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days, the Synagogue of Satan worshiped at the saints feet.
    Ellen G. Harmon

    jos sinulla kerran todella on se kirja,ettet valehtele ja jos olet rehellisesti siitä tuon kopioinut.Nytpä nähdään,oliko puhtaat jauhot pussissa vai ei?

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  • uskova_1 kirjoitti:

    Syytät minua tietämättömäksi ämmäksi ja valehtelijaksi, mutta jokainen järjissään oleva ihminen voi lukea, että olen kirjoittanut totta, sillä se on kirjallisista lähteistä todennettavissa.

    Minulla on tuo kirja, missä tuokin Ellenin näky on, mutta sitä voi lukea myös netiltä (esim: http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw2.htm ), joten lukasepas sieltä niin ei tarvitse sitten enää esittää tietämätöntä ja yrittää eksyttää, että hei kirjaa ei ole.

    Tässä tuo koko näky Ellenin itsensä kirjoittamana:

    Letter from Sister Harmon - Falmouth, MA, Feb. 15, 1846
    Bro. Jacobs:-- My vision which you published in the Day-Star was written under a deep sense of duty, to you, not expecting you would publish it. Had I for once thought it was to be spread before the many readers of your paper, I should have been more particular and stated some things which I left out. As the readers of the Day-Star have seen a part of what God has revealed to me, and as the part which I have not written is of vast importance to the Saints; I humbly request you to publish this also in your paper. God showed me the following, one year ago this month:--I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. I gazed on Jesus' countenance and admired his lovely person. The Fathers person I could not behold for a cloud of glorious light covered him. I asked Jesus if his Father had a form like himself; He said he had, but I could not behold it; for, said he, if you should for once see the glory of his person, you would cease to exist. Before the throne was the Advent people, the Church, and the world. I saw a company bowed down before the throne, deeply interested while most of them stood up disinterested and careless. Those who were bowed before the throne would offer up their prayers and look to Jesus, then he would look to his Father and appeared to be pleading with him. Then a light came from the Father to his Son and from him to the praying company. Then I saw an exceeding bright light come from the Father to the Son and from the Son it waved over the people before the throne. But few would receive this great light. Many came out from under it and immediately resisted it. Others were careless and did not cherish the light and it moved off from them. Some cherished it and went and bowed down before the throne with the little praying company. This company all received the light, and rejoiced in it as their countenances shone with its glory. Then I saw the Father rise from the throne and in a flaming chariot go into the Holy of Holies within the vail, and did sit. There I saw thrones which I had not seen before. Then Jesus rose up from the throne, and most of those who were bowed down rose up with him. And I did not see one ray of light pass from Jesus to the careless multitude after he rose up, and they were left in perfect darkness. Those who rose up when Jesus did, kept their eyes fixed on him as he left the throne, and led them out a little way, then he raised his right arm and we heard his lovely voice saying, wait ye, I am going to my Father to receive the Kingdom. Keep your garments spotless and in a little while I will return from the wedding, and receive you to myself. And I saw a cloudy chariot with wheels like flaming fire. Angels were all about the chariot as it came where Jesus was; he stepped into it and was borne to the Holiest where the Father sat. Then I beheld Jesus as he was before the Father a great High Priest. On the hem of his garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Then Jesus shewed me the difference between faith and feeling. And I saw those who rose up with Jesus send up their faith to Jesus in the Holiest, and praying, Father give us thy spirit. Then Jesus would breathe on them the Holy Ghost. In the breath was light, power and much love, joy and peace. Then I turned to look at the company who were still bowed before the throne. They did not know that Jesus had left it. Satan appeared to be by the throne trying to carry on the work of God. I saw them look up to the throne and pray, My Father give us thy spirit. Then Satan would breathe on them an unholy influence. In it there was light and much power, but no sweet love, joy and peace. Satan's object was to keep them deceived and to draw back and deceive God's children. I saw one after another leave the company who were praying to Jesus in the Holiest, go and join those before the throne and they at once received the unholy influence of Satan.
    About four months since, I had a vision of events, all in the future. And I saw the time of trouble, such as never was,--Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob's trouble, and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God. Then I saw the four Angels cease to hold the four winds. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night till be began to hear the bells on Jesus' garment. And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus' coming. Then the saints were free, united and full of the glory of God, for he had turned their captivity. And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days, the Synagogue of Satan worshiped at the saints feet.
    Ellen G. Harmon

    jos sinulla kerran todella on se kirja,ettet valehtele ja jos olet rehellisesti siitä tuon kopioinut.Nytpä nähdään,oliko puhtaat jauhot pussissa vai ei?

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ainakin neljännen tai viidennen kerran,muutaman päivän sisällä!

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Mikä on poikkeavaa profeetan puuhassa tuossakin esimerkissä? Raamatussahan on sanottu profeetoista näin;;"Jer.13:3 Sitten Herran sana tuli minulle toisen kerran, tämä sana:
13:8 Minulle tuli tämä Herran sana:
14:1 Herran sana, joka tuli Jeremialle suuren kuivuuden tähden.
16:1 Minulle tuli tämä Herran sana:
17:15 Katso, he sanovat minulle: "Missä on Herran sana? Toteutukoon se!"
17:20 Ja sano heille: Kuulkaa Herran sana, te Juudan kuninkaat ja koko Juuda ja kaikki Jerusalemin asukkaat, jotka tulette näistä porteista.
18:5 Silloin tuli minulle tämä Herran sana:
19:3 Ja sano: Kuulkaa Herran sana, te Juudan kuninkaat ja Jerusalemin asukkaat: Näin sanoo Herra Sebaot, Israelin Jumala: Katso, minä annan sellaisen onnettomuuden kohdata tätä paikkaa, että jokaisen korvat soivat, joka sen kuulee, "" PROFEETOILLE TULI AINA HERRAN SANA, mutta ELLENILTÄ OLEMME SAANEET VAIN HÄNEN OMIA SANOJAAN. Eipä ole koskaan Raamatussa ollut samaa tilannetta, että joku olisi itse tehnyt Herran tahdosta näkemänsä perusteella profeetallisesti pätevän sanoman!!!!!

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  • en ole ikinä moista kuullutkaan,muuta kuin täällä netissä.Hänen tehtävänsä oli paljon laajempi alainen,kuin pelkästään joku profetia.Hänestä tuli hengellinen kirjailija ja Jumalan sanan saattaja.

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  • profeetta Ellen G Whiteksi, kirjoitti:

    en ole ikinä moista kuullutkaan,muuta kuin täällä netissä.Hänen tehtävänsä oli paljon laajempi alainen,kuin pelkästään joku profetia.Hänestä tuli hengellinen kirjailija ja Jumalan sanan saattaja.

    Aivopesty uskomaan sillä lailla.

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Pääsit viikko sitten pakkohoidosta.

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mutta raamattu näin. kirjoitti:

Raamattu sanoo saatanasta näin:
Jesaja 14/12-13
Kuinka olet taivaalta pudonnut,sinä kointähti,aamuruskon poika! Kuinka olet maahan syösty,sinä kansojen kukistaja.

Sinä sanoit sydämessäsi:Minä nousen taivaaseen.
Korkeammalle Jumalan tähtiä minä istuimeni korotan
ja istun ilmestysvuorelle pohjoisimpaan pohjolaan.


Saatana olisi halunnut valta-istuimelle,niinpä
saatana valehteli Whitelle seuraavasti:Lainaus: ”Ne, jotka eivät uskoneet Ellenin näkyyn, että 22.10.1844 Jeesus oli noussut valtaistuimelta, mennyt taivaassa toiseen huoneeseen ja sulkenut oven takanaan, rukoilivat yhä taivaan istuimella istuvaa Jumalaa, mutta siellä olikin saatana Hänen tilallaan, joten heidän rukouksensa menivät saatanalle: "Jeesus oli lähtenyt siltä. Saatana ilmestyi valtaistuimelle yrittäen jatkaa Jumalan työtä. Minä näin heidän katsovan ylös valtaistuimeen ja rukoilevan, ´Isä, anna meille Henkesi´, silloin Saatana puhalsi heidän päälleen epäpyhän vaikutuksen; siinä oli valoa ja paljon voimaa, mutta ei suloista rakkautta, iloa eikä rauhaa. Saatanan tavoite oli pitää heidät petettyinä ja houkutella takaisin ja pettää Jumalan lapset” #5.”    

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