Onko huhulla

juttuihin kannata otta mitään kantaa, luopioiden heiniä.

Milloinkaan virallisesti ei ole ilmoitettu mitään päivää


Miten voit olla asioista tietämätön vai valehteletko? JT uskonto on täynnä vääriä ennustuksia maailmanlopusta! On jo ihmeellistä ettei yksikään niistä ole osunut kohdalleen.

"Milloinkaan virallisesti ei ole ilmoitettu mitään päivää."

Taas yksi "rehellinen Lapinmies" lisää Myllylä-kerhoon. HOHHOHO.

http://www.geocities.com/valaisija/h_loppu.htm

Matt. 24:34 on paljon mielenkiintoisempi.
"Totisesti: tämä sukupolvi ei katoa ennen kuin kaikki tämä tapahtuu."
Eli: ihan tarkan ajan tietäisi vain jahvetti-setä. Mutta Jeesus-taruolentohan valehtelee opetuslapsille, että "tämä sukupolvi"-siis opetuslasten sukupolvi_ EI katoa ennen Harmaa. Aikamoista luikuria satuolento-Jessuli tuossa laskee. Ja mikä ihmeellisintä, tyhmät ihmiset ovat 2000 vuotta uskoneet ja palvoneet moista satuolento-huijaria.

turhaan omaisuuttaan, eivätkä opiskelleet mitään, koska harmagedon alkaa. Niin sanottiin ja toteutettiin minun jehovalaisuusnuoruudessani.

Taidat olla niin nuori tai tyypillinen aivopesty, etten muista tai aivosi himmeät täällä saralla.

Sääliksi käy sinunkaltaisiasi.

>>Eikö teidän päähänne mene ettei ole määrätty mitään päivää erikseen sille päivälle jolloin nämä täyttyvät.Milloinkaan virallisesti ei ole ilmoitettu mitään päivää Matteus 24:36.

Kyllä vaan on:

"In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)

"we present proofs that the setting up of the kingdom of God is already begun .. that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Rev. 16: 14) which shall end .. with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." {TIAH 101}

".. the battle of the great day of God Almighty.. so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances.. It is already in progress .." {ZWT Jan 15 1892 repr 1355}

"According to our expectations the stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912" {TNCR 1904 ed. p. 579}

"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.. It will prove that he whose right it is to thus take the dominion, will then be present as earth's new Ruler; and not only so, but it will prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date .. It will prove that some time before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized church of Christ, the 'royal priesthood' 'the body of Christ,' will be glorified with the Head .. It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles, but shall arise from the dust of divine disfavor, to honor .. It will prove that by that date, or sooner, .. the full number from among the Gentiles, who are to be members of the body or bride of Christ, would be fully selected .. It will prove that the great 'time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation,' will reach its final culmination, and end, at that date .. The condition of things spoken of in symbolic language as raging waves of the sea, melting earth, falling mountains, and burning heavens, will then have passed away .. It will prove that before that date, God's kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth, and will have smitten and crushed the Gentile image .." {TIAH 76-8}

"Can It Be Delayed until 1914? .. Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in Millennial Dawn, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable. What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily? 'The old is quickly passing and the new is coming in.' Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the view presented in the Watch Tower of January 15, '92. We advise that it be read again." {ZWT Jul 15 1894 repr 1677}

"We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." {WT Jul 15 1894 266 repr 1677}

"When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history." {WT May 1 1903/6 130-1 repr 3184}

"We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October, 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's kingdom in the hands of Messiah." {WR VI Sept 1 1916 5950}

".. the battle of the great day of God Almighty.. so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances. The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." {ZWT Jan 15 1892 repr 1355}

"A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things. The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men and Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth. (Millions now living will never die, 1920 p 89-90)
"We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925.. It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." {WT Nov 1 1922 346}

>>Joten turha on jatkuvasti väärennellä todistajien puhumisia.

Mikä yllälainayusta on väärennöstä?

>>Luopiot syöttävät teille mitä vain väärää tietoa totuutena.Huhua koko asia.

Minulle ei näistä asioista ole vielä kukaan entinen jehovantodistaja koskaan valehdellut, nykyinen kylläkin.

poreilija kirjoitti:

juttuihin kannata otta mitään kantaa, luopioiden heiniä.

Ei kannattaisikaan.Kunhan poltan"kumia".

old_profile_41878 kirjoitti:

Ei kannattaisikaan.Kunhan poltan"kumia".

Taas tuli emävalhe ! Kyllä 1.10.1914 -päivämäärää on syötetty aikanaan Vt:n taholta varmana tietoa. Samoin vuotta 1975 ja on muitakin vuosilukuja.

tietämätön. kirjoitti:

Milloinkaan virallisesti ei ole ilmoitettu mitään päivää


Miten voit olla asioista tietämätön vai valehteletko? JT uskonto on täynnä vääriä ennustuksia maailmanlopusta! On jo ihmeellistä ettei yksikään niistä ole osunut kohdalleen.

Kone tinttas taas.en viitsi enää kolmatta viestiä kirjoittaa.Saar.1:4 maa pysyy ikuisesti vai Matt.24:3 maailman loppu.Kirkko raamattu ristiriidassa.Väärin käännetty 3 jae.En ole kumpaakaan

myivät kirjoitti:

turhaan omaisuuttaan, eivätkä opiskelleet mitään, koska harmagedon alkaa. Niin sanottiin ja toteutettiin minun jehovalaisuusnuoruudessani.

Taidat olla niin nuori tai tyypillinen aivopesty, etten muista tai aivosi himmeät täällä saralla.

Sääliksi käy sinunkaltaisiasi.

Oletko jättänyt yhteen kokoontumiset pois?Hepr.10:24,25.Jes.57:17 ja Job.27:8,9.Se on näin,luopioiden osa.

old_profile_41878 kirjoitti:

Kone tinttas taas.en viitsi enää kolmatta viestiä kirjoittaa.Saar.1:4 maa pysyy ikuisesti vai Matt.24:3 maailman loppu.Kirkko raamattu ristiriidassa.Väärin käännetty 3 jae.En ole kumpaakaan

Kun Vt:n mukaan "valo lisääntyy", niin joko 1.10.1914 -opista tiedetään myös tarkka kellonaika?

Markku_Meilo kirjoitti:

>>Eikö teidän päähänne mene ettei ole määrätty mitään päivää erikseen sille päivälle jolloin nämä täyttyvät.Milloinkaan virallisesti ei ole ilmoitettu mitään päivää Matteus 24:36.

Kyllä vaan on:

"In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)

"we present proofs that the setting up of the kingdom of God is already begun .. that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Rev. 16: 14) which shall end .. with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." {TIAH 101}

".. the battle of the great day of God Almighty.. so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances.. It is already in progress .." {ZWT Jan 15 1892 repr 1355}

"According to our expectations the stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912" {TNCR 1904 ed. p. 579}

"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.. It will prove that he whose right it is to thus take the dominion, will then be present as earth's new Ruler; and not only so, but it will prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date .. It will prove that some time before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized church of Christ, the 'royal priesthood' 'the body of Christ,' will be glorified with the Head .. It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles, but shall arise from the dust of divine disfavor, to honor .. It will prove that by that date, or sooner, .. the full number from among the Gentiles, who are to be members of the body or bride of Christ, would be fully selected .. It will prove that the great 'time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation,' will reach its final culmination, and end, at that date .. The condition of things spoken of in symbolic language as raging waves of the sea, melting earth, falling mountains, and burning heavens, will then have passed away .. It will prove that before that date, God's kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth, and will have smitten and crushed the Gentile image .." {TIAH 76-8}

"Can It Be Delayed until 1914? .. Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in Millennial Dawn, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable. What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily? 'The old is quickly passing and the new is coming in.' Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the view presented in the Watch Tower of January 15, '92. We advise that it be read again." {ZWT Jul 15 1894 repr 1677}

"We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." {WT Jul 15 1894 266 repr 1677}

"When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history." {WT May 1 1903/6 130-1 repr 3184}

"We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October, 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's kingdom in the hands of Messiah." {WR VI Sept 1 1916 5950}

".. the battle of the great day of God Almighty.. so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances. The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." {ZWT Jan 15 1892 repr 1355}

"A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things. The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men and Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth. (Millions now living will never die, 1920 p 89-90)
"We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925.. It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." {WT Nov 1 1922 346}

>>Joten turha on jatkuvasti väärennellä todistajien puhumisia.

Mikä yllälainayusta on väärennöstä?

>>Luopiot syöttävät teille mitä vain väärää tietoa totuutena.Huhua koko asia.

Minulle ei näistä asioista ole vielä kukaan entinen jehovantodistaja koskaan valehdellut, nykyinen kylläkin.

Englannin kieli takertelee.Daniel.12:3,4,9,10.Tosi tietoa tulee runsaasti.Sanat on sinetöity lopun aikaan asti.Jumalattomat toimivat jumalattomasti....mutta ymmärtäväiset tulevat ymmärtämään.Eikö se kerro että tietoa annetaan lisää.

old_profile_41878 kirjoitti:

Englannin kieli takertelee.Daniel.12:3,4,9,10.Tosi tietoa tulee runsaasti.Sanat on sinetöity lopun aikaan asti.Jumalattomat toimivat jumalattomasti....mutta ymmärtäväiset tulevat ymmärtämään.Eikö se kerro että tietoa annetaan lisää.

>>Englannin kieli takertelee.

Amerikkalaisen 1800-luvun uususkonnon alkuperäkielisten tekstien lainaaminen ei tee niistä valheellisia.

Sen sijaan yleistävä väitteesi joutuu entistä oudompaan valoon.

>>Tosi tietoa tulee runsaasti.

Etenkin Vt-seuran valheellisuudesta ja ihan sen omalla materiaalilla.

Täällä muutama esimerkki:

http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=1000000000000003&conference=4500000000000099&posting=22000000031474661

http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=1000000000000003&conference=4500000000000099&posting=22000000031474685

http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fcgi?category=1000000000000003&conference=4500000000000099&posting=22000000031474723

>>Jumalattomat toimivat jumalattomasti....mutta ymmärtäväiset tulevat ymmärtämään.Eikö se kerro että tietoa annetaan lisää.

Miten tuo liittyy väitteistäsi esitettyihin kysymyksiin?

old_profile_41878 kirjoitti:

Oletko jättänyt yhteen kokoontumiset pois?Hepr.10:24,25.Jes.57:17 ja Job.27:8,9.Se on näin,luopioiden osa.

Oletko jättänyt yhteen kokoontumiset pois?

Pakkohan se on jättää. Kuka jaksaa kuunnella ennustuksia ja oppeja sen jälkeen kun ne todistettu vääriksi?

Meilo muuten teki vasta lähtöä Kellon konventtiin, mikäli saa kysymyksiinsä vastaukset. Ilmeisesti konventtivalmistelut ovat olleet työläät, kun kenelläkään ei ollut aikaa selittää. Ehkä ensi vuonna sitten :)

osa kirjoitti:

Oletko jättänyt yhteen kokoontumiset pois?

Pakkohan se on jättää. Kuka jaksaa kuunnella ennustuksia ja oppeja sen jälkeen kun ne todistettu vääriksi?

Meilo muuten teki vasta lähtöä Kellon konventtiin, mikäli saa kysymyksiinsä vastaukset. Ilmeisesti konventtivalmistelut ovat olleet työläät, kun kenelläkään ei ollut aikaa selittää. Ehkä ensi vuonna sitten :)

>>...kun kenelläkään ei ollut aikaa selittää.

Aika kannattaa käyttää tietämättömämpien kanssa, pääsee vedättämään pelotta.

Ei ole pelkoa konventtireissusta noilla Kellon kysymyksillä, 1914-valehtelu hylätään ennen kuin sille löytyy Raamatun tuki.