katso toiseksi viimeinen puhuja launatain konferenssissa kello 14.00. http://www.byu.tv/
Muuten kannattaa katsoa aamukokouksesta Oaksin vahva puhe todistuksesta, tiedosta ja uskosta!
Muuten kannattaa katsoa aamukokouksesta Oaksin vahva puhe todistuksesta, tiedosta ja uskosta!
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Vanhimmat
Vai miksi hän aina jauhaa tuota samaa - että uhrien kuuluu antaa anteeksi pahantekijöille?
Sinulle sokea mormoni vähän lukemista tosi elämästä. Näin moni mormonijohtaja toimii.
My experience.
Apr 06 2008 01:57
Mr. Happy
When my sweetheart passed away I spent THOUSANDS of dollars in a legal battle to keep her two minor children from going to their abusive, molesting, one-time Bishopric member father. The father “repented” and received a GLOWING recomendaton to the court from his Bishop. Fortunately the court saw through the bullshit and awarded coustody of the kids to their 22 year old sister....the victim of the abusive child molesting bastard.
Afterwards, once the dust had settled, I took a moment to write a letter to that Bishop and give him a piece of my mind. Here is the letter. Enjoy.
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Bishop John xxxxxx,
This letter is to inform you that the guardianship for the children of xxxx and xxxxxx xxxxx has rightfully been awarded to thier eldest daughter. The time spent and costs incurred in the effort to secure the children from their deviant father was worth any and all resources required.
Imagine my disappointment though as I read the report of the comments you made to the court appointed social worker. Your glowing support of an abusive child molesting bastard is despicable. Your further characterization of the children’s mother in the report as being “very influential in the formulation of the minor’s negative opinion about Mr. xxxxx” is downright sickening. Let’s not consider the FACT that Mr. xxxxx was physically and verbally abusive to his children, or the FACT that they witnessed his abuse of their mother, or the FACT that he mounted their sister when she was 12 years old and ejaculated through his garments on her!! Such events could never have influenced their opinion of him. Nooooooo, they were influenced by their mother!! You really are a piece of work.
xxxxxx xxxxx desperately reached out to you for help in dealing with her sick ex-husband. Her studies and research in Psychology greatly helped her recognize the controlling, manipulative behavior he was exhibiting. She also realized that the ONLY authority he would respond to in complying with his obligations would be the church (YOU!!). This is why she sent you studies, articles, and paperwork detailing his deviant patterns so that you would be better informed and educated when dealing with him. Obviously you considered this a nuisance, obviously you didn’t read the material, and obviously you chose to support the abusive child molesting priesthood holder over his victims. This comes as no surprise as this seems to be a growing epidemic in the church.
Fortunately the State of California has expert psychologists who rely on sophisticated tests for character evaluation. These tests administered to Mr. xxxxx were far more accurate than your faulty “Spirit of Discernment”. Amazingly, the test results mirrored EXACTLY the types of behavior that xxxxxx warned you still existed in him. Perhaps she was more “in tune with the spirit” than you. According to the test results “xxxx xxxxx presented as narcissistic and self-centered to enhance his sense of self-worth. Prone to impulsivity and taking risks, he was vulnerable to poor judgement to gratify immediate needs, showing the tendency to be manipulative. He also appeared to displace responsibility for his problems onto others.” The test further concluded that “granting Mr. xxxx xxxxx parental rights would be psychologically detrimental to (the children).”
It is simply appalling that you would ignore the impassioned pleas for help from a loving protective mother in favor of the lies of a child molester. I truly hope that if your daughters someday need the same assistance from a church leader as xxxxxx did, they will find someone more sympathetic to their needs than you. And you are a Bishop!!?? One of the “Lord’s annointed”?? If you had any shred of decency you would resign immediately and give up the charade of being “led by the spirit”.
xxxx xxxxx saw you as someone he could deceive and manipulate. xxxxxx xxxxx saw you as a light of hope in dealing with him. He was right, she was wrong. I think you have a pretty good idea of how I see you.
Thanks for nothing.
Mr. Happy
http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/download_thread.php?site=exmobb&bn=exmobb_recovery&thread=1207432777
Hyväksikäyttösyytökset ovat hirmuinen ase, eikä henkilö puhdistu niitä koskaan, vaikka olisi aivan syytönkin.
Siksi ne on tärkeää tutkia mahdollisimman tarkoin ennen kuin panee pystyyn kansantuomioistuimen.
Minä en ainakaan tuon kirjeen perusteella uskaltaisi ottaa asiasta kantaa puoleen nekä toiseen.
ole tarkoituskaan ottaa kantaa mihinkään. Heidän tarkoituksensa on puhdas loanheitto, koulukiusaajan työkalu.
Jos ei usko mormoneita sokeasti kaikessa, on vain idiootti, juoppo ja narri. Hyväksikäyttötapaukset ovat liioteltuja ja "saatanan käyttämiä aseita", raiskaamisia ei tapahdu (Vaikka Utahin poliisikin kauhistelee sitä salailua kirkon taholta), ja lapsien huumaaminen ja hakkaaminen on vain huumoria.
näköjään ihan mihin vaan, kunhan kuvittelet sen olevan vahingollista MAP-kirkolle tai sen jäsenille.
kin ajatukset taas pinnalle. Kuuntelin kerran Saurin radio-ohjelmaa radiosta, sinne soitti eräs isä(luterilainen) ja itki kun hänestä oli tehty lapsen hyväksikäyttäjä ihan keksityin perustein. Olen ymmärtänyt että suomessakin sos.ihmiset ja katkerat vaimot tekevät miehistä hyvin herkästi bedofiileja ,kun niitä on niin vaikea todistaa.
Siis luterilaisessa Suomessa.
puhe. MAPkirkon jäsenissä ja muissa uskovissa tai uskomattomissa on yks suuri ero. MAP kirkko tekee jotakin näiden hyväksikäyttötapausten paljastumiseksi, sen sijaan muut uskonnot tai uskomattomat ei edes kehota tunnustamaan!! Muut senkun nauraa ja jatkaa hommiaan kenekään keskeyttämättä. Ikävä totuus on se, että hyväksikäyttötapauksia on vielä enemmän muun väestön keksuudessa kuin MAPkirkon jäsenten keskuudessa, niitä ei vaan saada kiinni.
Heh, heh!