Voisitko ystävällisesti kertoa mistä seuran kirjallisuudesta löydän nuo ennustukset milloin mistäkin 'maailmanlopusta'. Pitäisi todistaa äidille, että tämä on yksi syy miksi en tuohon paskaan usko ja se jos mulla olisi mustaa valkosella, se olis helpompaa. Kun se ei riitä porukoille, että sanon että mä en enää vaan usko tähän juttuun. Jos löytäisin heidän omista lehdistään, kirjoistaan suorat viittaukset mm. maailmanloppuihin jne olisin hieman uskottavampi :D
Kiitos jo etukäteen. Ja siis saa muutkin vastata, Markku Meilo vaan on tuntunut olevan niin pätevä tässä jutussa :)
Kiitos jo etukäteen. Ja siis saa muutkin vastata, Markku Meilo vaan on tuntunut olevan niin pätevä tässä jutussa :)
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Mitens se julistus?
Et sitten uskaltanut tunnustaa!!!
Laita tänne vaan nyt vaikka kymmenen viimeistä viitettä. Ei luulisi olevan liikaa vaadittu.
>>Mitens se julistus?
Äää, tota, "Tosiasioiden julistus", jossa juutalaisia mollattiin ja natseja nuoltiin? Se on täällä:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/hextek/Tikkurila/index.htm
>>Et sitten uskaltanut tunnustaa!!!
Öh, tota, siis tunnustaa mitä?
>>Laita tänne vaan nyt vaikka kymmenen viimeistä viitettä. Ei luulisi olevan liikaa vaadittu.
Kun olet niin innoissasi, niin tässä ensin alkuun:
"In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)
"we present proofs that the setting up of the kingdom of God is already begun .. that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Rev. 16: 14) which shall end .. with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." {TIAH 101}
".. the battle of the great day of God Almighty.. so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances.. It is already in progress .." {ZWT Jan 15 1892 repr 1355}
"According to our expectations the stress of the great time of trouble will be on us soon, somewhere between 1910 and 1912" {TNCR 1904 ed 579}
"In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.. It will prove that he whose right it is to thus take the dominion, will then be present as earth's new Ruler; and not only so, but it will prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date .. It will prove that some time before the end of A.D. 1914 the last member of the divinely recognized church of Christ, the 'royal priesthood' 'the body of Christ,' will be glorified with the Head .. It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles, but shall arise from the dust of divine disfavor, to honor .. It will prove that by that date, or sooner, .. the full number from among the Gentiles, who are to be members of the body or bride of Christ, would be fully selected .. It will prove that the great 'time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation,' will reach its final culmination, and end, at that date .. The condition of things spoken of in symbolic language as raging waves of the sea, melting earth, falling mountains, and burning heavens, will then have passed away .. It will prove that before that date, God's kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth, and will have smitten and crushed the Gentile image .." {TIAH 76-8}
"Can It Be Delayed until 1914? .. Seventeen years ago people said, concerning the time features presented in Millennial Dawn, They seem reasonable in many respects, but surely no such radical changes could occur between now and the close of 1914: if you had proved that they would come about in a century or two, it would seem much more probable. What changes have since occurred, and what velocity is gained daily? 'The old is quickly passing and the new is coming in.' Now, in view of recent labor troubles and threatened anarchy, our readers are writing to know if there may not be a mistake in the 1914 date. They say that they do not see how present conditions can hold out so long under the strain. We see no reason for changing the figures-nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the view presented in the Watch Tower of January 15, 1892. We advise that it be read again." {ZWT Jul 15 1894 repr 1677}
"We see no reason for changing the figures - nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." {WT Jul 15 1894 266 repr 1677}
"When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history." {WT May 1 1903/6 130-1 repr 3184}
"We see no reason for doubting, therefore, that the Times of the Gentiles ended in October, 1914; and that a few more years will witness their utter collapse and the full establishment of God's kingdom in the hands of Messiah." {WR VI Sept 1 1916 5950}
".. the battle of the great day of God Almighty.. so great is our confidence in the Word of God and in the light of present truth shining upon it, that we could not have doubted its testimony whatever had been the appearances. The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." {ZWT Jan 15 1892 repr 1355}
"A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things. The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men and Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth. (Millions now living will never die, 1920 p 89-90)
"We understand that the jubilee type began to count in 1575 B.C.; and the 3,500 year period embracing the type must end in 1925.. It follows, then, that the year 1925 will mark the beginning of the restoration of all things lost by Adam's disobedience." {WT Nov 1 1922 346}
"The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favor, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.. They are to be resurrected as perfect men and constitute the princes or rulers in the earth .. Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection.. A simple calculation of these jubilees brings us to this important fact: Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 years before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. What, then, should we expect to take palace? In the type there must be a full restoration; beginning of restoration of all things." {MLND 88-90} ["Princes" not to be resurrected until after Armageddon per HIS1 252-3]
"Truly the year 1926 deserved to be marked as the happy climax of the close of the 1,335 days. Those of Daniel's "people" who kept in expectation and reached the end of the 1,335 days were launched off into a happiness that has not diminished, but that, despite mounting persecution and World War II (1939-1945) and subsequent world troubles, has persisted and increased." {OIWG 146-7}
Joko alkaa riittämään.....
Ei todellakaan riitä. Vai missä noista puhutaan viimeisistä väitetyistä maailmanlopun ennustuksista?
Sitä paitsi sinä et ole edes noita lukenut. Muistan sinun joskus täällä kehuneen englannin taitosi olevan vallan huonon. Mutta kun sinun jumalasi M.M. jotakin sanoo, niin tottahan se on!
Kaiken lisäksi haluaisin lähdeviitteet suomeksi, kun noista lyhennyksistä en ymmärrä.
Näin sähköpostisi serverillä, mutta sitten töppäsin ja postisi katosi spämmin mukana, koita vielä kerta, yritän olla skarppina.
Jos hän väitteisiin vastaa Vt seuran julkaisuilla..... Vai kiistätkö niidenkin olemassa olon??
Niitä Markun viestejä on paljon, joista lainauksia löytyy. Joku voisi laittaa linkit niihin... Ei tarvitsisi kaikkea kirjoittaa alusta.
Osta äidillesi Pasi Turusen Vartiotorni kirja. Siinä on käyty läpi väärät ennustukset, opit ym riittävän tarkasti. Kukaan JT ei pysty kumoamaan kirjassa olevia asioita.
Yksi kerrallaan olen niitä epäkohtia esitellyt.
Esim. hölmö päätelmä Greber kirjeistä, esitellyt kirjeet ovat eri osastoilta ja siitä vedetty johtopäätös.
Ristin käyttöä vuosisadan alussa väitetään peitellyt.
Annetaan kuva kääntämisestä kun pöytäkirjassa puhutaan vastuualueista.
jne.
Yksi kerrallaan olen niitä epäkohtia esitellyt
Esittelisitkö ystävällisesti vielä kerran. Kiitos.
Osta äidillesi Pasi Turusen Vartiotorni kirja. Siinä on käyty läpi väärät ennustukset, opit ym riittävän tarkasti. Kukaan JT ei pysty kumoamaan kirjassa olevia asioita.
-Luin kirjan hyvin tarkkaan läpi. Sisältää vain ulimalkaan haukkumisia JT;sta. Ei pysy Raamatun opetuksessa sivua pitemmälle. Taivaitakin on ties kuinka monta. Isä, poika ja pyhä henki onkin nidottu yhteen kuten kaikkien kolminaisuuteen uskovien. Eli ei mitään järkeen käyvää textiä.
Ei meinannut syttyä tuleenkaan, vaikka helvettiä hehkutti alvarinsa :-)