kun täällä toistuvasti valehdellaan, että yksi tulva selittäisi fossiilikerrostumat, niin laitetaanpa vähän faktaa Glenn Mortonilta:
"Abstract
This article is a detailed examination of the young earth creationist claim that the geologic column does not exist. It is shown that the entire geologic column exists in North Dakota. I do this not to disprove the Bible but to encourage Christians who are in the area of apologetics to do a better job of getting the facts straight.
I recently had a private discussion with a gentleman concerning the nature of the Haymond beds in Southwestern Texas. The issues which this raised might be of some interest.
The Haymond beds consist of 15,000 alternating layers of sand and shale. The sands have several characteristic sedimentary features which are found on turbidite deposits. Turbidites are deep water deposits in which each sand layer is deposited in a brief period of time, by a submarine "landslide" (I am trying to avoid jargon here) and the shale covering it is deposited over a long period of time. I made the comment that one feature of this deposit made it an excellent argument for an old earth and local flood.
Earle F. McBride (1969, p. 87-88) writes:
Two thirds of the Haymond is composed of a repetitious alternation of fine- and very fine-grained olive brown sandstone and black shale in beds from a millimeter to 5 cm thick. The formation is estimated to have more than 15,000 sandstone beds greater than 5 mm thick." p. 87. "Tool-mark casts (chiefly groove casts), flute casts and flute-lineation casts are common current-formed sole marks. Trace fossils in the form of sand-filled burrows are present on every sandstone sole, but nearly absent within sandstone beds.
For the non-geologist who is reading this this means that the burrows are in the shales (which take a long time to be deposited) so the animals would have lots of time to dig their burrows. The sandstones are the catastrophic deposit which covers and fills in the burrows with sand. The fact that there are no burrows in the sand proves that the sand was deposited rapidly.
I pointed out that if the all the sedimentary record had to be deposited in a year long flood of Noah, then given that the entire geologic column in this area is 5000 meters thick, and that the Haymond beds are 1300 m thick, 1300/5000*365 days = 95 days for the Haymond beds to be deposited. Since there are 15,000 of these layers, then 15,000/95 days = 157 layers per day need to be deposited. The problem is that the animals which made the burrows mentioned above, need some time to re-colonize and re-burrow the shale. Is it really reasonable to believe that 157 times per day or 6.5 times per hour, for all the burrowers to be buried, killed, and a new group colonize above them for the process to be repeated? Even allowing for a daily cycle, would require 41 years for this deposit to be laid down."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
Noita 15 000 päällekkäistä kerrostumaa ei voi selittää yhdellä tulvalla, koska niissä on vuorotellen kerrostumia, joissa on kunkin aikakauden faunaa ja sitten välissä taas nopeasti muodostunut kerrostuma, josta ei löydy eläimiä.
"Abstract
This article is a detailed examination of the young earth creationist claim that the geologic column does not exist. It is shown that the entire geologic column exists in North Dakota. I do this not to disprove the Bible but to encourage Christians who are in the area of apologetics to do a better job of getting the facts straight.
I recently had a private discussion with a gentleman concerning the nature of the Haymond beds in Southwestern Texas. The issues which this raised might be of some interest.
The Haymond beds consist of 15,000 alternating layers of sand and shale. The sands have several characteristic sedimentary features which are found on turbidite deposits. Turbidites are deep water deposits in which each sand layer is deposited in a brief period of time, by a submarine "landslide" (I am trying to avoid jargon here) and the shale covering it is deposited over a long period of time. I made the comment that one feature of this deposit made it an excellent argument for an old earth and local flood.
Earle F. McBride (1969, p. 87-88) writes:
Two thirds of the Haymond is composed of a repetitious alternation of fine- and very fine-grained olive brown sandstone and black shale in beds from a millimeter to 5 cm thick. The formation is estimated to have more than 15,000 sandstone beds greater than 5 mm thick." p. 87. "Tool-mark casts (chiefly groove casts), flute casts and flute-lineation casts are common current-formed sole marks. Trace fossils in the form of sand-filled burrows are present on every sandstone sole, but nearly absent within sandstone beds.
For the non-geologist who is reading this this means that the burrows are in the shales (which take a long time to be deposited) so the animals would have lots of time to dig their burrows. The sandstones are the catastrophic deposit which covers and fills in the burrows with sand. The fact that there are no burrows in the sand proves that the sand was deposited rapidly.
I pointed out that if the all the sedimentary record had to be deposited in a year long flood of Noah, then given that the entire geologic column in this area is 5000 meters thick, and that the Haymond beds are 1300 m thick, 1300/5000*365 days = 95 days for the Haymond beds to be deposited. Since there are 15,000 of these layers, then 15,000/95 days = 157 layers per day need to be deposited. The problem is that the animals which made the burrows mentioned above, need some time to re-colonize and re-burrow the shale. Is it really reasonable to believe that 157 times per day or 6.5 times per hour, for all the burrowers to be buried, killed, and a new group colonize above them for the process to be repeated? Even allowing for a daily cycle, would require 41 years for this deposit to be laid down."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
Noita 15 000 päällekkäistä kerrostumaa ei voi selittää yhdellä tulvalla, koska niissä on vuorotellen kerrostumia, joissa on kunkin aikakauden faunaa ja sitten välissä taas nopeasti muodostunut kerrostuma, josta ei löydy eläimiä.
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Vanhimmat
Ei vaineska...
Tuosta kerrostuman paksuudesta vaan sen verran, että eikös vuoret syntyneet vasta vedenpaisumuksen aikana tai sen jälkeen? Nooahan karahti karille jollain kälysellä 5-tonnisella kukkulalla, oliko se nyt joku Ararat tai semmonen? Jossain muualla on ollut saman verran mutaa kasassa. Ihme juttu, että Nooa karahti kiville juuri siellä, mistä oli käynyt pitkän matkan takana hakemassa ankkurikiviä arkkiinsa (Nooan arkkimuseo Turkissa). Noita mutakasojahan oli vedenpaisumuksen jäljiltä ilmeisesti vähän siellä sun täällä.
Tuo sedimentti on näköjään yhtä paksua kuin koko vedenpaisumustarina.
>I do this not to disprove the Bible but to encourage Christians who are in the area of apologetics to do a better job of getting the facts straight. >
- milloinkahan evolutionistit myöntävät ne valheet,että fossiilistossa olisi muka välimuotoja.
""- milloinkahan evolutionistit myöntävät ne valheet,että fossiilistossa olisi muka välimuotoja.""
varmaan, että milloinkahan kreationistit myöntävät nuo välimuodot.
-tuossa jutussa kreationisti John Woodmoprappe antaa palautetta old-earth-kreationisti(?) Glenn Mortonille ;
http://www.trueorigin.org/geocolumn.asp
sisälsi vastauksen yhteen asiaan Woodmorappen kirjoituksesta. Mutta hauska huomata, että hänkin myöntää, että noita täydellisiä sedimenttisarjoja on olemassa niinkin runsaasti kuin prosentin verran maapallon pinta-alasta, kun ei lasketa mukaan merenpohjia, jotka ovat kaikki niin nuoria, ettei niistä sitä voisi löytyäkään.