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Salt Lake Tribune Updated:05/07/2009 02:03:52 PM MDT     Imagine I was a Mormon in good standing, and that I was also an assistant U.S. attorney general with tremendous power. Then imagine that I sat at my desk and wrote two treatises that became public. One advocated giving full marriage rights to any committed and loving couple, regardless of sexual orientation. The other justified torture of suspected criminals, laying out in great detail the number of times they could be slapped, doused in cold water, the length of time they could be kept naked, standing, bent over, hung by the arms, kept in the dark or kept in the light and kept without sleep. It even justified putting them into a tiny box into which insects would be introduced. Which of those two memos could get you excommunicated from the church? Federal Judge Jay S. Bybee of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals actually wrote that second memo. He is an active Mormon and a Cub Scout leader. Thank goodness what he advocated was torture and not same-sex marriage, or he might be in real trouble with his church. Doug Hofeling Salt Lake City
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Eikös kiduttaminen ole koko kristinuskon perusta? 2000v kidutettiin yksi äijä kuoliaaksi ja Jumala hymisteli samaan aikaan yläkerrassa eikä puuttunut asiaan mitenkään. Monissa hihhulipiireissä harrastetaan edelleen itsensä kidutusta uskonnollisena rituaalina. Katoliset syövät omassa rituaalissaan tuon kidutetun ihmisparan LIHAA ja juovat VERTA. Jos taasen mietitään tuota kommenttia homoavioliitoista, niin miten se liittyy kristinuskoon? Käsittääkseni Jeesus ei harrastanut homoilua. Jos koko kristinusko perustuisi Jeesuksen homoiluun, niin sitten varmaan evluttien ehtoollisen "pyllistyskaari" olisi toisin päin ja ehtoollisen jakaja hoitaisi "jakamisen" vähän eri tavalla.

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  • Peter Smith, religion writer for the Louisville Courier Journal, did an article in the May 9, 2009 paper based on a poll conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. 56% of Evangelicals and 54% of regular church goers feel that torture is justified against suspected terrorists. 40% of those with no religious affiliation support torture. There is a clear correlation between religiosity and the willingness to torture. This actually should have been suspected because of the historical willingness of fervent believers in Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity & Islam) to torture and kill those who disagree. Evidently the people who have no religion are more moral than religious people. >"....And there are those who either say that practices such as waterboarding aren't real torture or that torture is justified to save lives. Some commentators link the use of violence to the depiction of Jesus as a fierce warrior in the book of Revelation." http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090509/NEWS01/905090394/1008/NEWS01/Tolerance+of+torture+in+terror+cases+studied

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Salt Lake Tribune Updated:05/07/2009 02:03:52 PM MDT     Imagine I was a Mormon in good standing, and that I was also an assistant U.S. attorney general with tremendous power. Then imagine that I sat at my desk and wrote two treatises that became public. One advocated giving full marriage rights to any committed and loving couple, regardless of sexual orientation. The other justified torture of suspected criminals, laying out in great detail the number of times they could be slapped, doused in cold water, the length of time they could be kept naked, standing, bent over, hung by the arms, kept in the dark or kept in the light and kept without sleep. It even justified putting them into a tiny box into which insects would be introduced. Which of those two memos could get you excommunicated from the church? Federal Judge Jay S. Bybee of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals actually wrote that second memo. He is an active Mormon and a Cub Scout leader. Thank goodness what he advocated was torture and not same-sex marriage, or he might be in real trouble with his church. Doug Hofeling Salt Lake City

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