Todistus Mormonin kirjasta

UPDATE_8094263 kirjoitti:

Tosta voimme nähdä kuinka Holland laittoi koko persoonansa todistaakseen MK:n totuudesta.
Tapani on usein sanonut MK:sta, että ei kukaan lähtisi kirjoittamaan tuollaista kirjaa petosmielessä.
Myöskään Joseph Smithin omat tiedot eivät olisi riittäneet tuollaisen kirjan aikaansaamiseen. Jos hän olisi itse keksaissut tarinan ja kirjoittanut sen omasta päästään (joka olisi ollut sinänsä mahdotonta) niin ei hän olisi turvautunut siihen kuolemansa hetkellä, eikä hän olisi lähtenyt vapaaehtoisesti tapettavaksi, vaan olisi lähtenyt pakoon.

MK:n kolme silminnäkijää antoivat myös vahvan todistuksen sen totuudesta ja pysyivät siinä kuolemaansa asti vaikka erosivatkin kirkosta.

On hyvä pitää mielessä, että JS oli 24 vuotias nuori mies käännöstyön aikana, ja hänen siihen asti saama koulutus oli perin vähäistä.
Hänen vaimonsa Emma kuvasi JS:ää käännöstyön aikoihin seuraavasti:

Question. (Emman ja Josephin pojan kysymys) Could not father have dictated the Book of Mormon to you, Oliver Cowdery and the others who wrote for him, after having first written it, or having first read it out of some book?

Answer. (Emman vastaus) Joseph Smith [and for the first time she used his name direct, having usually used the words, "your father" or "my husband"] could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter, let alone dictate a book like the Book of Mormon. And, though I was an active participant in the scenes that transpired, and was present during the translation of the plates, and had cognizance of things as they transpired, it is marvelous to me, "a marvel and a wonder," as much so as to anyone else.

UPDATE_8094263 kirjoitti:

Tosta voimme nähdä kuinka Holland laittoi koko persoonansa todistaakseen MK:n totuudesta.
Tapani on usein sanonut MK:sta, että ei kukaan lähtisi kirjoittamaan tuollaista kirjaa petosmielessä.
Myöskään Joseph Smithin omat tiedot eivät olisi riittäneet tuollaisen kirjan aikaansaamiseen. Jos hän olisi itse keksaissut tarinan ja kirjoittanut sen omasta päästään (joka olisi ollut sinänsä mahdotonta) niin ei hän olisi turvautunut siihen kuolemansa hetkellä, eikä hän olisi lähtenyt vapaaehtoisesti tapettavaksi, vaan olisi lähtenyt pakoon.

MK:n kolme silminnäkijää antoivat myös vahvan todistuksen sen totuudesta ja pysyivät siinä kuolemaansa asti vaikka erosivatkin kirkosta.

Pari kuukautta sitten eräät kirjoittajat esittivät mielipiteitä Sidney Rigdonin osuudesta MK:n käännöstyössä.
Selvitin silloin timelainia Parley P. Prattin henkilöhistoriasta miten ja koska Sidney Rigdon tuli MAP kirkkon jäseneksi.
Vielä Emmalta (JS:n vaimolta) samasta asiasta. Hänen vastauksensa on samasta kysymysten sarjasta, jonka hänen poikansa esitti Emmalle vähän ennen Emman kuolemaa.

Question. When did you first know Sidney Rigdon? Where?

Answer. I was residing at father Whitmer's when I first saw Sidney Rigdon. I think he came there.

Question. Was this before or after the publication of the Book of Mormon?

Answer. The Book of Mormon had been translated and published some time before. Parley P. Pratt had united with the Church before I knew Sidney Rigdon, or heard of him. At the time of Book of Mormon was translated there was no church organized, and Rigdon did not become acquainted with Joseph and me till after the Church was established in 1830. How long after that I do not know, but it was some time.

Question. Who were scribes for father when translating the Book of Mormon?

Answer. Myself, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris, and my brother Reuben Hale.

Question. Was Alva Hale one?

Answer. I think not. He may have written some; but if he did, I do not remember it.

Question. What of the truth of Mormonism?

Answer. I know Mormonism to be the truth; and believe the Church to have been established by divine direction. I have complete faith in it. In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us.

Question. Had he not a book or manuscript from which he read, or dictated to you?

Answer. He had neither manuscript nor book to read from.

Question. Could he not have had, and you not know it?

Answer. If he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.

Question. Are you sure that he had the plates at the time you were writing for him?

Answer. The plates often lay on the table without any attempt at concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth, which I had given him to fold them in. I once felt of the plates, as they thus lay on the table, tracing their outline and shape. They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metallic sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book.

Question. Where did father and Oliver Cowdery write?

Answer. Oliver Cowdery and your father wrote in the room where I was at work.

Sivusta seuraava kirjoitti:

Pari kuukautta sitten eräät kirjoittajat esittivät mielipiteitä Sidney Rigdonin osuudesta MK:n käännöstyössä.
Selvitin silloin timelainia Parley P. Prattin henkilöhistoriasta miten ja koska Sidney Rigdon tuli MAP kirkkon jäseneksi.
Vielä Emmalta (JS:n vaimolta) samasta asiasta. Hänen vastauksensa on samasta kysymysten sarjasta, jonka hänen poikansa esitti Emmalle vähän ennen Emman kuolemaa.

Question. When did you first know Sidney Rigdon? Where?

Answer. I was residing at father Whitmer's when I first saw Sidney Rigdon. I think he came there.

Question. Was this before or after the publication of the Book of Mormon?

Answer. The Book of Mormon had been translated and published some time before. Parley P. Pratt had united with the Church before I knew Sidney Rigdon, or heard of him. At the time of Book of Mormon was translated there was no church organized, and Rigdon did not become acquainted with Joseph and me till after the Church was established in 1830. How long after that I do not know, but it was some time.

Question. Who were scribes for father when translating the Book of Mormon?

Answer. Myself, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris, and my brother Reuben Hale.

Question. Was Alva Hale one?

Answer. I think not. He may have written some; but if he did, I do not remember it.

Question. What of the truth of Mormonism?

Answer. I know Mormonism to be the truth; and believe the Church to have been established by divine direction. I have complete faith in it. In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us.

Question. Had he not a book or manuscript from which he read, or dictated to you?

Answer. He had neither manuscript nor book to read from.

Question. Could he not have had, and you not know it?

Answer. If he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.

Question. Are you sure that he had the plates at the time you were writing for him?

Answer. The plates often lay on the table without any attempt at concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth, which I had given him to fold them in. I once felt of the plates, as they thus lay on the table, tracing their outline and shape. They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metallic sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book.

Question. Where did father and Oliver Cowdery write?

Answer. Oliver Cowdery and your father wrote in the room where I was at work.

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Edellä lainaamani Emman todistus on osa hänen viimeistä todistustaan. Yksi hänen pojistaan teki kysymyksiä joihin Emma vastasi. Emma kuoli 3 tai 4 viikkoa edellisen haastattelun jälkeen.
Kai se jossain on netissakin, minulla on LDS Collectors library dvd:llä jossa se on.