Pitääkö luterilaisen papin sopeutua ajan henkeen? Pitääkö hänen hyväksyä kaikki ne vaatimukset, joita kirkon jäsenet esittävät. Sellaisetkin vaatimukset, jotka Raamattu kieltää hyväksymästä?
Pitääkö papin olla kaikkien kaveri jopa niin, että suostuu muuttamaan kaveruuden takia Raamatun vaatimukset ja opetukset?
Pitääkö papin olla kaikkien kaveri jopa niin, että suostuu muuttamaan kaveruuden takia Raamatun vaatimukset ja opetukset?
Vastaukset 20
Vanhimmat
Homoudesta ja sen vihaamisesta, tuosta luterilaisuuden keskeisestä teemastahan tässä taas ties kuinka monennen kerran lienee kyse?
kyse mistään vihaamisista. On kyse siitä pitääkö luterilaisen papin pysyä ajan virrasta huolimatta Raamatun kanssa, vai irtaantua Raamatusta ajan virtaan.
Mitä mieltä olet?
luterilaisten pappien pitäisi kaikkien ottaa lopputili ja viimeisen sulkea ovi. Kristinuskolla ei ole mitään virkaa pelkkiä todisteita vailla olevia satuja
Olen samaa mieltä kuin ylempi vastaaja: Valehtelu ammattina ei ole oikein. ja kuten tälläkin palstalla täytyy tämän tästä muistuttaa, niin Suomessa on voimassa Suomen lait. Vaikka oma usko olisi niin vimmattua että mitään muuta ei näe eikä kuule, on se usko kaikissa tapauksissa alisteinen Suomen laille. Tässä ei pitäisi olla mitään epäselvää ja lakien noudattamatta jättäminen taikauskon nojalla ei pitäisi olla lieventävä, vaan raskauttava tekijä.
Ei pidä.
Raamattu ensin, muu sitten. Piste.
Raamatun vaatimus ja opetus on tämä: Rakasta Jumalaasi yli kaiken ja lähimmäistäsi niin kuin itseäsi.
Maksumiehet ja -naiset määräävät
Jos liberaalipiispat ja vapaamielinen kirkolliskokous päättävät että papin on pakko siunata tai vihkiä lesbo-tai homopariavioliittoon, niin silloin ollaan tuuliajolla.
Kirkolla ei silloin kristinuskon kanssa ole mitään tekemistä. Jos papille ei anneta ns. omantunnon pykälää, kuten naispappeusasiassa kävi, silloin kirkko riitautuu itsensä kanssa.
Moraalinen rappio on selviö ja se on kirkosta lähtö muillakin kuin Luthersäätiöläisillä.
TAPAUKSESSA PIDÄ SOPEUTUA AJANHENKEEN, VAAN PITÄÄ PYSYÄ RAAMATUN SANOMASSA. Jos pappi sopeutuu ajanhenkeen on hän menettänyt osuuden Jumalan valtakuntaan ja siksi hänellä ei ole kenellekkään mitään annettavaa.
On kai kuitenkin sinustakin suotavaa, että tappokäskyissä jätetään pysymättä?
uuden liiton aikaisessa Pyhässä Kirjoituksessa on tappokäsky. Osoita Uudesta Testamentista yksikin käsky tappaa!!!
Raamattu on raamattu. Vanha ja uusi testamentti. Turha yrittää lakaista vanhan testamentin kauheuksia maton alle vetoamalla jeesuksen hippeilyyn uudessa testamentissa.
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
"Pitääkö luterilaisen papin sopeutua ajan henkeen?"
Pitää.
" Pitääkö hänen hyväksyä kaikki ne vaatimukset, joita kirkon jäsenet esittävät. Sellaisetkin vaatimukset, jotka Raamattu kieltää hyväksymästä?"
Ei. Tosin luterilaisen papin odotetaan tietävän mikä ero on keittokirjalla ja raamatulla.
"Pitääkö papin olla kaikkien kaveri jopa niin, että suostuu muuttamaan kaveruuden takia Raamatun vaatimukset ja opetukset? "
Ei. Pappi ei edes pystyisi muuttamaan raamatun vaatimuksia ja opetuksia, mutta hänen odotetaan jo koulutuksensa perusteella ymmärtävän raamatun sisällön. Maallikoille tuo sisältö on useimmiten jo puutteellisen historian tuntemuksen vuoksi jäänyt hyvin pintapuoliseksi.
Raamattu on valheellinen kirja. Täytyisi olla täysidiootti ja moraaliton kusipää jos sitä elämänohjana käyttäisi.
luterilainen pappi ei saa palvella työssään Jumalaa ja Jeesusta vaan herraa (epä)jumalanaan. tässä faktat.
luterilaisuuden herra (epä)jumalana
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Luder/Lutherin katekismus; ensimmäinen käsky:
"Minä olen Herra, sinun Jumalasi. Sinulla ei saa olla muita jumalia."
HUOMAA pilkun (,) paikka! tuossa tehdään herrasta (epä)jumala.
Jumalan Moosekselle antama ja Jeesuksen vahvistamana sama tieto on näin:
(Suomen kielellä - Raamattu 1933/38)
3 Älä pidä muita jumalia minun rinnallani.
Jumalan ja Jeesuksen Lain väärentäminen on kielletty.
papin on luvattava olla herran palvelija
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Kirkkojärjestyksen mukaan Pappislupaus menee näin:
"Minä N. N. lupaan kaikkitietävän Jumalan edessä, että toimittaessani pappisvirkaa, jonka olen valmis ottamaan vastaan, tahdon pysyä Jumalan pyhässä sanassa ja siihen perustuvassa evankelis-luterilaisen kirkon tunnustuksessa. En julkisesti julista tai levitä enkä salaisesti edistä tai suosi sitä vastaan sotivia oppeja. Tahdon myös oikein julistaa Jumalan sanaa ja jakaa pyhiä sakramentteja Kristuksen asetuksen mukaan. Tahdon noudattaa kirkon lakia ja järjestystä sekä palvella alttiisti seurakuntaa ja sanankuulijoita. Kaikkea tätä tahdon noudattaa niin, että voin vastata siitä Jumalan ja ihmisten edessä. Tähän Jumala minua auttakoon."
Siis pappi ei saa esiintyä Jumalan ja Jeesuksen asialla vaan Heidän Nimissä herra (epä)jumalaa palvelevana ja sille palveluksia tehden vaikka papin mahdollinen sielullisuus muistuttaa Jumalallisuudesta.
eikö tälle häirikölle saada ip-bannia aikaiseksi? Hän copy-pasteaa roskaviestiään kaikkiin keskusteluihin pilaten muiden keskustelun.