Viikingit

3. kausi jo tulossa!

Ilmeisesti kanssakäyminen englantilaisten kanssa olisi pitänyt tapahtua Tanskaksi, Norjaksi tai Ruotsiksi??

Jos olit oikein tarkkana niin kuulit siellä myös suomen kieltä!!

Huomasitko? missä jaksossa? :)

Itseasiassa aika usein myös kuulee puhuttavan myös muinaisnorjaa sekä muinaisenglantia(niin lähelle kuin sitä päästään) mutta yleensä vain silloin kun on Viikingit ja Saksit ovat samassa kohtauksessa,(myöhemmin myös frankit) alleviivaten etteivät nämä kaksi ryhmää ymmärrä toisiaan.

Ragnar on sinänsä poikkeus sääntöön että hän on ainoa viikinki joka myös osaa sujuvasti saksien kieltä, kiitos Athelstanin joka on opettanut sitä vangiksi jäätyään.(Ennen kuin joku kysyy Athelstan osaa pakanakieliä koska ennen luostariin siirtymistä hän oli lähetyssaarnaaja.

Totaa... Kysy Subilta.

Tai seuraa tota:

http://sarjaopas.tv/uudet-sarjat

lsdfljdlkf kirjoitti:

Totaa... Kysy Subilta.

http://www.mtv.fi/viikingit

Ja subtv.fi kautta selvisi ainoastaan Viikingit-sarjasta, että
"Ei tulevia TV-esityksiä
Tällä ohjelmalla ei ole tiedossa olevia TV-esityksiä seuraavan kolmen kuukauden aikana."

Laita kysymys/palaute subin tv-ohjelmista (mtv3, sub ja ava jotenkin samassa kimpassa) ja kysy sarjasta!

fläkjsdlöfkö kirjoitti:

http://www.mtv.fi/viikingit

Ja subtv.fi kautta selvisi ainoastaan Viikingit-sarjasta, että
"Ei tulevia TV-esityksiä
Tällä ohjelmalla ei ole tiedossa olevia TV-esityksiä seuraavan kolmen kuukauden aikana."

Laita kysymys/palaute subin tv-ohjelmista (mtv3, sub ja ava jotenkin samassa kimpassa) ja kysy sarjasta!

Lue lisää

Kysyin asiaa Viikingit-sarjasta itsekin Subilta/MTV:ltä ja heti tuli vastaus:

"Hei.

Kiitos viestistänne.
Vielä ei ole tiedossa milloin sarja jatkuu meillä.

Ystävällisin terveisin
MTV/---- "

Eli näillä mennään. Sarja jatkuu Subilla kun jatkuu. Mutta, mitä useampi teistä Subia/MTV:tä pommittaa, niin sitä varmimmin ja sitä nopeammin?

Juuri näin, eikä tämä ollut suinkaan ensimmäinen kerta!

Seuraaja kirjoitti:

Juuri näin, eikä tämä ollut suinkaan ensimmäinen kerta!

Eikä viimeinen, sama toistui nyt 4.3.2015 jakson osalta. Ei MITÄÄN ilmoitusta siitä että sarja olisi tauolla tai että sen esitysajankohtaa olisi siirretty! Aika lapsenkengissä on tämä touhu Subilla. Luulisi että suomalaisillekin kanaville löytyisi ammattitaitoista henkilöstöä jotka vielä tajuaisivat että ovat asiakaspalveluammatissa!

Niinpä, missä ovat 2. tuotantokauden 2 viimeistä jaksoa The Choice ja The Lord's Prayer???

näköjään tosiks viimonen jakso tulee jostakin syystä vasta 11.3 ja viimenen 18.3.2015

Niinpä ja maikkari ilmoitteli asiasta taas äärimmäisen epämääräiseen tyyliinsä...

Subin vastaus: lähetysajankohdasta ei ole vielä päätetty... Ilmoitetaan sarjan nettisivuilla ja tv-oppaassa kunhan tietävät itsekään.... Just.

Oli kyllä aika mielenkiintoinen sarja,,historiallisesti,aika raakaam elämä on ollut silloin

Kiinnostava sarja, ei mitään yliluonnollista,, vaikkakin julmaa,

Mutta siitäkin näki miten miehet käyttivät valtaa,, ikävä kyllä.



Mutta kyllä suojelivat naisiaan,, jos heille oli näistä hyötyä??????

Toivottavasti tämä pääosan esittäjä muistaa uskollisen vaimonsa,, ja palaa kotiin.

Tyyristä on vielä. Sama hinta kuin diskshopitissa. Jos ostaa itselleen haluaa, niin kandee odottaa että kausien hinnat alenee tai tulee halpissarjaboxi. Muutoin yritettävä katsoa "ilmaiseksi" netistä/telkusta tulee halvemmaksi...

Eivät ole sama näyttelijä. Ragnaria esittää Travis Fimmel ja Jaxia Charlie Hunnam. Imdb:tä tutkimalla asia selviää.

imdb.com eli Internet Movie Database on paikka, jossa selviää vaikka mitä tietoja leffoista, tv-sarjoista ympäri maailman.

Kausi 2. jaksot keskiviikkoisin SUB:lla klo 22-23 ja uusinnat torstaiöisin puolenyön aiikaan.

ldfjkldjfl kirjoitti:

Kausi 2. jaksot keskiviikkoisin SUB:lla klo 22-23 ja uusinnat torstaiöisin puolenyön aiikaan.

http://www.history.com/shows/vikings/episodes

2. kautta tehty 10 jaksoa, joten sarja jatkuu meillä maaliskuun puoliväliin. 2015 valmistuu sarjan 3. kausi, jonka SUB näillä näkymin esittää milloin esittää, mikäli ei sitten "perinne" jatku ja esitykset tammikuusta 2016 lähtien...

Kato alusta asti ni tajuat miks ne puhuu englantia. Idiootti

Jos we54tergy4r haluaa "länkyti, länkyti, realismia, länkyti" kannattaisi muistaa myös se että MISSÄÄN EI PUHUTTU englantia tuohon aikaan. Ei edes englannissa(Jota ei muuten ole olemassa edes käsitteenä vielä tuolloin)

Fæder ūre þū þe eart on heofonum, Sī þīn nama ġehālgod.Tōbecume þīn rīċe, ġewurþe þīn willa, on eorðan swā swā on heofonum. Ūre ġedæġhwāmlīcan hlāf syle ūs tō dæġ, and forġyf ūs ūre gyltas, swā swā wē forġyfað ūrum gyltendum.
And ne ġelǣd þū ūs on costnunge, ac ālȳs ūs of yfele. Sōþlīċe.

Isämeidän rukous muinaisenglanniksi. Kerro ihmeessä kuinka paljon tuo muistuttaa tämän päivän englantia, ja tuokin on vain arvaus sillä. Sarjassa muinaisnorjaa ja muinaisenglantia puhutaan aina silloin tällöin, mutta yleensä kun pitää alleviivata etteivät, Viikingit, saksit ja frankit ymmärrä toisiaan. Sinänsä vaatimus siitä että pyrittäisiin mahdollisimman aitoon tunnelmaan on ymmärrettävä, mutta että koko casti puhuisi muinaisnorjaa ja muinaisenglantia? Josta on säilynyt erittäin vähän todisteita historiassa miten sitä puhutaan ja ne pätkät mitkä kuullan tuossa tv sarjassa on enemmän tai vähemmän arvauksia? Just. Minne haluaisit kuun toimitettavan, jos saan kysyä?

Ja edelleen ei, se että casti puhuisi nyky-englantia ja nyky-norjaa ei aja samaa asiaa, koska kumpikaan kieli ei muistuta muinaisia kieliä. Sitten vain ihmetelttäisiin "Aika kummaa että 1300 vuotta puhuttiin samanlaista norjaa/tanskaa/ruotsia mitä ostarin nurkilla kuulee tänään." Miten se muka olisi parempi?

Kiitoksia! :)

Jaa, eipä olisi nykynorjalla tai nykytanskallaan pärjännyt viikinkiaikoina *lol*

http://historianet.fi/kysy-meiltae/mitae-kieltae-viikingit-puhuivat

Kun yrität tehdä tv-sarjaa aikaudesta josta on hyvin vähän kirjallisia tietoja, on pakko tehdä arvauksia. Jotta omahyväisyytesi ei menisi täysin hukkaan laitetaan tähän kaikki tähän mennessä nähdyt faktavirheet. Tv tropes-sivustolta:

Artistic License – History: This show is based on legendary sagas set during the single murkiest period of Medieval history, so liberties with historicity are to be expected.

* Ragnar and Rollo are not usually thought to be brothers. The real Ragnar is much more Shrouded in Myth (like King Arthur for instance) while the real Rollo is attested as the first ruler of Normandy (and a direct ancestor of King William the Conqueror and Queen Elizabeth II).

*The name "Lodbrok" is sometimes used for Rollo also, but it was not a surname - rather, a nickname for Ragnar meaning "Hairy Breeches", since his pants were made of fur. The Vikings had no concept of surnames and used patronymics (naming after one's father) instead. Ragnar's actual second name "Sigurdsson" has yet to appear on the show.

*"Rollo" itself is the Latinized form of the Norse "Hrólfr", the modern form being "Rolf". Similarly, "Lagertha" is a Latinized form of the Norse "Hlaðgerðr" or "Hladgerd".

*The attack on Lindisfarne happened in 793, Ragnar Lothbrok was presumably killed in the 860s. While not totally impossible, especially since the dates concerning him are not very precise, it is highly unlikely that he lead the attack on Lindisfarne, or was even born at this point.

*Likewise Rollo as well as King Horik are around way too early. Rollo's birth year is tentatively given as 846, Horic became king around 813 and sole king of the Danes in 827.

*The presentation of Norse law: Haraldson is shown prosecuting a man for murder. In actuality, that would have fallen to the deceased next of kin.

*Women are shown casting votes in Norse society. While it may be true that Norse women enjoyed better position than that of mainland European women, the Norse weren't quite this progressive. Voting would be cast in the name of the whole household.

*Vikings didn't practice capital punishment as such. Rather, those convicted of heinous crimes were declared outlaws; which is to say, they are literally outside the protection of the law, and may be killed with impunity.

*It is said that Horik's father was killed by his brothers and that he ascended to his throne by defeating them. In history, Horik's father, King Gudfred was killed by a housekarl. After that, Horik's uncle Hemming (a cousin of his father) took the throne but did not last long. Then, Horik drove out Harald Klak and thus became sole king of Denmark as he was the only son of King Gudfred alive.

*Earl Haraldson mentions Russia. Russia did not yet exist in the 8th century. As a matter of fact, it was being founded by a confederation of Eastern Slavic tribes led by a Swedish subset of the Vikings, the Rus. Thus, "Russia".

*King Ecbert already being a famous king when the Vikings raid Wessex around 800 AD, when in reality he just assumed the crown at best. His characterization on the other hand, is accurate. He did actually try to become Brytenwalda, at least.

*Ecbert briefly notes a wife is the husband's property and the husband is free to do to her what she likes. This was not the case in Anglo-Saxon culture, which held women very highly for its time and as equal companions to men. The attitude of "a woman is a man's property" would only become a part of Anglo-Saxon culture in the Norman Conquest and beyond.

*Characters make several references to "Charlemagne," but this is a French version of his name ("Karl, der Große" or in English "Charles the Great") popularized after the Norman invasion of England. It's used here so that modern viewers can recognize the famous figure.

*Aethulwulf of Wessex never married a daughter of King Aelle. He did marry a woman named Judith, but she was the daughter of the Frankish King Charles the Bald, and she didn't bear him any sons because he died shortly after.

*When Aelle and Ecbert join forces, the gathered Saxons begin chanting, 'God save England!'. In truth, the concept of a united country called England wouldn't emerge until some time after the period this show is set. That being said, would have you have preferred them to chant, "God save the Heptarchy except for the Kentish! Bloody Kentish..."?

* Horik I did not die at the hand of Ragnar Lothbrok. But then, they also might have been the same guy.

*Some of the Vikings' clothing and gear is not appropriate to the period. For example, Ragnar's signature chainmail is very form fitting, when the actual Viking mail was always quite loose.

Jatkuu

* Habard mentions in a conversation with Aslaug that one of his bastard sons became Olaf, Grand Duke of Kyiv. Not only is there no such figure amongst the Ruthenian princes (there is a prince after Rorik called Oleg, but the Norse rendering of his name is Helgi), but Kiev Rus wasn't anywhere close to being created in the early eighth century. On the other hand, Ragnar is reported to have lived in the mid 9th century, when Kiev Rus was being formed, so this may just be another example of the show fast-forwarding history.

*King Ecbert never slaughtered an entire village of Pagans for no reason. Though this is probably more due to the fact that there weren't any Pagan villages in England during his reign. The settling of Danish and Norwegian pagans on English soil wouldn't begin until the 860s with the Danleagh, or Danelaw. King Athelred the Unready, another king of Wessex, actually did do exactly this in real life as a means of rebelling against the Danes. It didn't work out well for him.

*The Siege of Paris as presented in the show is a fusion of The Siege of Paris of 845, the only fully historical appearance of a Viking chief named Ragnar, from which the show takes the King being Charlemagne's grandson and Ragnar Lothbrok's presence, and the Siege of Paris of 885 from which the show takes the presence of Rollo, the figures of Count Odo, Sinric and Sigfred and the overall set up of the battle.

* And the boots the Vikings wear are completely ahistorical.

*Shieldmaidens are depicted as commonplace among the Norse, with most Viking war parties featuring at least a few female warriors who are accepted without question by the men. While shieldmaidens are present in Norse sagas, there's little evidence to suggest that they were commonplace, or even existed, in reality.

*A lot of Norsemen seem to have no trouble with letting their wives getting on top of them during sex, while in history it was considered something of a taboo. A man who allowed such a thing to happen was reckoned by other Norsemen to be unmanly and submissive. The show portrays it with modern sensibilities in mind. When Lagertha gets on top of Ragnar during one of their sex scenes, she compares him to "a wild bull," with no connotations of submission.

*The Oriflamme was never used by the Franks. It's first use was by the medieval French Kingdom during the 12th century.

*Ragnar never converted to Christianity. Not even as a ruse.

*That poem Ecbert recites to Judith? It's from T.S. Elliot. No wonder she says that she can't understand a word he's saying.

Ja sitten jotta omahyväisyytesi saa aika ison kolauksen tässä taas on lista minkä tuo sarja sai oikein. Lue historiaa ajoa tähän.

Shown Their Work: One of the problems the show's creators faced when making this was that there are just so few sources that accurately represent the Norse. After all, like the Mongols, their history was written primarily by the people they beat the shit out of. So, the showrunners had to rely primarily on Scandinavian sagas to paint a somewhat factual representation of them. Even so, this show has gotten a lot of things right in regards to history.

*Norse dress and appearance is represented mostly accurately.

*Ragnar is shown waiting until villagers are at Mass before raiding a Christian settlement. This was indeed the favoured tactic of Ragnar Lodbrok, according to the sagas.

*The duel between Haraldson and Ragnar, a holmgang, is very accurately represented. Down to Svein's formal recitation of the rules of the duel, and the two parties meeting on a pre-specified plot of land. Even the shields are right, with both men having helpers who give them their shield replacements. The back-up weapon rule is also historically accurate. Historically, early holmgangs did indeed end with death. Though later on, first blood and other such measures were implemented to curb that. The only thing that seems to be missing is that a sheet was supposed to be placed on the ground to mark the area, and four posts were to be placed at each corner of the sheet.

*Floki's shipbuilding lecture in the first episode is legit.

*The description of the Uppsala temple is taken directly from Adam of Bremen, althrough that source has been questioned as Adam of Bremen never went there himself. The temple, or a building used for religious cermonies, was probably real but we will probably never know if it look like that.

*Way back in the first episode, Ragnar tells Bjorn the story of how he won Lagertha's hand in marriage — by killing an enormous bear with his spear and strangling a giant hound, the animals who guarded her home. This is taken word for word from the Gesta Danorum as penned by Saxo Grammaticus.

*In one episode, the Vikings land in England and are mistaken as traders by an official, who they then murder when he attempts to lead them to the Royal Villa of the King so that they may pay a trading tax upon their goods. This entire sequence actually happened according to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle.

*The practice of a heathen converting to Christianity in order to seal a deal when the Vikings dealt with the Saxons is one that appears in many historical instances. For instance, to seal the Peace of Wedmore, the Viking Guthrum was baptized into Christianity with the Anglo-Saxon name of Athelstan and accepted King Alfred the Great as his adoptive father. The Vikings treating the baptism in a non-serious manner as seen in the show also has some basis in historical fact; the conversions were commonly seen as merely a legal binding, and often did little to reduce the Viking's hold on the areas they conquered in England.

*Ragnar accurately and beautifully quotes the Runatal, the story of how Odin found the runes by sacrificing himself with his own spear on Yggdrasil.
Rollo's tattoos seem to be representations of Sköll and Hati, the sons of Fenrir Hrodvitnir.

*Rollo's war chant in one of the first battles against the English is closely based on a death poem by Þórir Jökull Steinfinnsson (though he lived some centuries after the events of the show.)

*Ecbert's desire to become ruler of all England is grounded in reality, as Ecbert made numerous overtures to conquer neighbouring Saxon kingdoms, and actually succeeded in adding Mercia and other places to his domain.

*There are frequently scenes in which characters are quoting Scandinavian lore. For example, when Lagertha or Aslaug tell bedtime stories, or the seer is trying to make a point clear.

*The runes Floki carves are accurately depicted.

*Floki retrieving a sword from his deceased forebear (his father, in this case) for use in his wedding ceremony is true to history. http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/wedding.shtml

*The blót that Ragnar and company attend in 1x08 is portrayed accurately, almost adapted word-for-word from blóts described as taking place in Sweden, like in the Gutasaga or Adam of Bremen's account of Uppsala.

*The ritualistic washing and nose-blowing in the same bowl that Ragnar's crew participates in before setting sail is adapted from one of the most famous contemporary depictions of Vikings, that of the Arab traveler Ahmad ibn Fadlan, who encountered a group of Rus (Vikings) in the the Volga area in the 10th century and, among many other observations on their looks and customs, describes just such a scene (which he finds quite disgusting).

*The king or community leader performing the sacrifice. That is as far as we know how it really would have happened.

Jatkuu

*The massacre of the Norse settlers by Christian Saxons depicted in Usurper was likely inspired by the infamous Saint Brice Day massacre where Æthelred the Unready had every Danish settler in England slaughtered, many of whom who were pagans note

*In "Breaking Point," a Christian missionary arrogantly declares the Norse gods false and accepts a test involving the handling of red-hot iron bars set by Aslaug to prove the power of his god. This is derived from chronicles of the Christianisation of the Norse, which lionize the missionaries. These chronicles assert that the missionaries were easily able to handle the iron due to the blessings of God and thus easily convinced Norsemen to become baptized. This is referenced in an Imagine Spot contrasting how the missionary thinks the ordeal will go (without him getting burned) and then showing the reality (his hands getting burnt to a crisp).

*The Anglo-Saxons' belief that the Romans were a race of giants is based on real medieval reactions to the massive and mysterious Roman ruins.

*Rollo's dismemberment of a captured Mercian soldier's leg and later explanation, "it was the angle of the leg, I couldn't help myself." is taken wholesale from a scene in Fóstbrœðra saga, where Torgeir cuts off the head of a shepherd with almost the exact same justification.
“He had not done me any wrong, but the truth is that I could not resist when he stood so convenient for hewing.”

*Ragnar Lothbrok never converted to Christianity in any of the sagas he appears in, even as a ploy, yet the baptism in S 3 EP 09 may contain a kernal of truth as it may be inspired by an instance during Ragnar's siege of Paris. In a nutshell, there was a plague that was ravaging the Vikings' side, and when sacrifices to Odin and Thor proved ineffective in alleviating it Ragnar "questioned" a Frankish captive who suggested that they should try fasting (it was Easter). By sheer coincidence, the plague began to lift as they did so.

*In the season 3 finale, the warriors in Ragnar's funeral procession sing the famous 77th stanza from Hávamál's Gestaþáttr.

*Some viewers are sceptical to the tattooed Vikings such as Rollo and the eye make-up worn by Floki. These features are actually described by Arabian merchants in contact with Vikings.

*Some people find the Vikings' relative lack of metal armour to be hard to believe, but archaeology suggests that the average Viking was indeed not heavily armored. Only few metal helmets or chainmail from the Viking Age have ever been found in Scandinavia. Only Huskarls and Thegns were thought to be heavily armoured regularly.

*The prominent and odd-looking Viking hairstyle in which the back half of the head is shaved is based on historical record.

*Many viewers balked at the idea that the Mercians would divide their armies in two on opposite banks of a river with no means of easily reinforcing each other. These people would be shocked to learn that this actuallyhappened during a battle the Vikings won, only with the Franks under Charles the Bald instead of the Anglo-Saxons of Mercia.

*Some viewers found Ragnar deceiving the Franks into taking his body into Paris to perform a Christian Mass for his soul so that he could leap from his coffin behind their defenses and open the way into the city for his army from the inside to be far-fetched. This sequence is based on accounts that a Viking (either Bjorn or Hastein) sacked the Italian town of Luna in 860 AD using the same ruse, though this story is of dubious authenticity.

Oli sen verran ylimielinen tuo "luehistoriaa" että pakko vastata. Okei, ei tientenkään mikään sarja joka perustuu osittain todellisuuteen ja osittain legendaan voi saada kaikkea oikein. Mutta ei sekään tarkoita etteikö mikään onnistuisi. Juuri tälläisten "Tämän te teitte oikein, tätä ette" bongaaminen on juuri hauskinta. Viikingit kokonaisuutena pitää pakkansa oikein hyvin kasassa, eikä sellaista päivää varmasti tule jolloin saadaan historiallisesti autenttinen tv-sarja/elokuva. Legendathan syntyy siitä kun historiaa väritetään.

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