Moni perustelee helvetin olon Ilmestyskirjan kuvauksella Tulisesta järvestä, vaikka Ilmestyskirjan mukaan helvetti ja kuolema nimenomaan tuhotaan Tulisessa järvessä. Eli "totinen kuolema" merkitsee ensimmäisen kuoleman ja helvetin tuhoutumista.
Samoin moni kuvittelee, että "taivas" eli Pyhä kaupunki on paikka, jonka portit suljetaan, jolloin sisäänpääsy käy mahdottomaksi, kun tosiasiassa tilanne on päinvastainen; portteja ei suljeta milloinkaan. Tämä Ilmestyskirjan väittämä olisi mieletön, jollei se tarkoittaisi sitä, että kaupunkiin on aina ja iankaikkisesta AVOIN PÄÄSY.
- Just a thought about the lake of fire, which is the "second death." Death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14. This seems to be the same scene from 1 Corinthians 15:26 where it says "the last enemy to be destroyed is death" resulting in the universal taunt "Where oh death is your sting? Where oh hell is your victory?" when "All who died in Adam will be made alive in Christ."
Since death and hell aren't "things" that can be thrown into fire, it seems like this whole thing is a metaphor for something (just like the entire rest of the book of Revelation). The lake of fire then is the purifying power and presence of God in Christ destroying death and hell, and thus resulting in life. The first death (from the first Adam) brings death, but "the second death" (from the second Adam) is the death of death, and therefore brings life. This "fire" purges all evil and results in the gold (the true image of God) coming forth.
- It’s still outside the Holy City. You should expound on that a bit. It’s as if the lake of fire represents like a cosmic Gehenna.
- Yes it’s still outside the holy city because nothing impure can enter. The lake of fire is purification, and the gates of the city will never shut. A little peculiar line huh? Imagine if it said the opposite, “Her gates will shut and no one thereafter may enter” or something to that effect. No, “Her gates will never be shut.” And “whoever is thirsty, come drink freely of the water of life.” After being in a “lake of fire” I think I’d for damn sure be thirsty. You see where this is heading?
- Damn straight.
Samoin moni kuvittelee, että "taivas" eli Pyhä kaupunki on paikka, jonka portit suljetaan, jolloin sisäänpääsy käy mahdottomaksi, kun tosiasiassa tilanne on päinvastainen; portteja ei suljeta milloinkaan. Tämä Ilmestyskirjan väittämä olisi mieletön, jollei se tarkoittaisi sitä, että kaupunkiin on aina ja iankaikkisesta AVOIN PÄÄSY.
- Just a thought about the lake of fire, which is the "second death." Death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14. This seems to be the same scene from 1 Corinthians 15:26 where it says "the last enemy to be destroyed is death" resulting in the universal taunt "Where oh death is your sting? Where oh hell is your victory?" when "All who died in Adam will be made alive in Christ."
Since death and hell aren't "things" that can be thrown into fire, it seems like this whole thing is a metaphor for something (just like the entire rest of the book of Revelation). The lake of fire then is the purifying power and presence of God in Christ destroying death and hell, and thus resulting in life. The first death (from the first Adam) brings death, but "the second death" (from the second Adam) is the death of death, and therefore brings life. This "fire" purges all evil and results in the gold (the true image of God) coming forth.
- It’s still outside the Holy City. You should expound on that a bit. It’s as if the lake of fire represents like a cosmic Gehenna.
- Yes it’s still outside the holy city because nothing impure can enter. The lake of fire is purification, and the gates of the city will never shut. A little peculiar line huh? Imagine if it said the opposite, “Her gates will shut and no one thereafter may enter” or something to that effect. No, “Her gates will never be shut.” And “whoever is thirsty, come drink freely of the water of life.” After being in a “lake of fire” I think I’d for damn sure be thirsty. You see where this is heading?
- Damn straight.
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