Tiede etenee ja totuudenmukaistuu !!!

Siihen se sitten jääkin.

Luuletko muuten että jos jonakin päivänä evoluutioteoria julistetaan vääräksi (mitä hyvin pitkälti epäilen), luuletko että Raamatulliset opinkappaleet otetaan automaattisesti käyttöön sen jälkeen?

taida silti mitään myöntää,kun ovat niin sokeaa kiihkoaan täynnä,nämä kuippikset ja mrkatit ,joilla on (punaiset) silmälaput silmillä.
On se onnetonta,kun ei ole arvostelukykyä sen verran ,että pystyisi näkemään faktat oikeassa valossa - että muka sokeat luonnonlait pystyisivät luomaan esim. ihmisaivot ,vaikka huipputiedemiehetkään eivät pysty simuloimaan niitä kehittyneillä laitteillaan.

tuolta totuuttakin “virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true.” Jos n.600 tiedemiestä onkin eri mieltä, niin miljoonat ellei kymmenet miljoonat tiedemiehet pitävät evoluutioteoriaa edelleen parhaana elämän monimuotoisuuden selittäjänä.

"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

Tuo on siis se lausunto jonka allekirjoittaneet hyväksyvät. Sen voi allekirjoittaa kuka tahansa hardcore ateististi-evolutionisti, mutta niin ei tehdä niiden piirissä jotka ymmärtävät mihin poliittisiin tarkoituksiin tuollaista listaa kerätään. Ja politiikasta - ei tieteestä - tuossa on kyse. Yritys saada aikaan sosiaalisia muutoksia koulujen opetussuunnitelmiin vaikuttamalla ja kaikkea muuta, kunhan se ei ole tieteellistä tutkimusta.

Se on todella huimavauhtista. Jos sama jatkuu muutaman vuoden, alkavat darwinistit olemaan oppositiossa. Kysymys ei ole politiikasta, vaan siitä, että tiedemailma on huomannut darwinistisen kehitysopin evoluutiomekanismein mahdottomaksi.

Juu äänestäminenhän se todellista tieteen tekemistä on ;)

Äänestäminen ei kuulu tieteeseen ja vaikka kuuluisi niin tulos on edelleen vahvasti e-teorian puolella.

Nettituttu amerikkalainen insinööri/ohjelmoija Rich Hammett, mormoni, joka on ollut Kajjaanissakin töissä harjoittelijana, tutki siitä listalta puolisatunnaisesti abouttirallaa tusinan nimeä ja huomasi että useat nimet ovatkin ilmeisesti:

- opiskelijoita
- toisella alalla kuin väittävät (esim. insinööri kun väittävät biokemia tms)
- eikä yhtään relevantteja julkaistuja papereita ko. alueelta

Taitaa olla vettä kestämätön harrastelijoiden "paperilista" se..

terv. MrKAT
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:From: rich hammett - view profile
:Date: Sat, Jun 24 2006 1:13 am
:Groups: talk.origins


Minun olisi pitänyt tietää, olisi pitänyt tietää,
olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, nmp:


> Op Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:57:18 0000, schreef rich hammett:
>> I've tracked down a dozen or so of the signers and NONE of them has been
>> what they try to appear on that list.
> That could be interesting. Please tell us much more if you find the time.


I chose a dozen or so at pseudo-random, that is, at places or in subjects
that I found interesting. I kept no records, unfortunately. The only one
who was exactly as claimed was the guy in Pennsylvania, I think, a Nobel
laureate who is somewhat of a kook these days?

I looked at several at universities in Georgia. Nearly all were STUDENTS
at their stated university at the time of signing, and I don't think I found
any relevant publications from any of them.


Several were in slightly different fields than listed, something like
being in Chemical Engineering instead of the claimed biochemistry (although
again, I don't remember if that was an actual example).


I'll keep notes if I have time to do that again. A couple:


Robert L. Waters, Jr.: I don't see what his relevance is to begin
with. He's listed on the statement as a "lecturer" in the college
of computing at GaTech. At GaTech's website, it appropriately
enough lists him as an instructor. There's somebody of the same
name who seems to be a physiology researcher in Atlanta, which,
if it's the same guy, would seem to be a slightly better qualification
than computer class teacher. No dishonesty here, just no relevance.


John Bordelon: He is listed as a PhD, Electrical Engineering, from
GaTech. Of course, that's where he was a student, as well. Here's
a blurb from the 1999 engineering news about him, showing the
relevance of his study to the DI statement: "Student News
After 11 years of pursuit, John H. Bordelon, senior research engineer in the
Georgia Tech Research Institute, graduated with a doctorate in electrical
engineering at the age of 57. He received his degree at commencement
exercises on June 12. Dr. Bordelon's thesis is entitled 'A Large-signal Model
for the RF Power MOSFET,' his advisor was David R. Hertling." He seems to
have retired in 2001, and to be a part-time teacher in the ECE dept
at Tech. All very admirable and inspiring, especially to me
personally, but not very relevant to the DI statement.


John F Zino: Listed as PhD, Nuclear engineering, GaTech. Once again, the
degree is irrelevant to the DI statement, and he was not on faculty or
staff at GaTech, but a student. He now seems to be employed by GE in
their nuclear reactor division.


Paul Hausgen: Listed as PhD, Mechanical Eng., GaTech. Again, the degree
is irrelevant, and again, GaTech is where he was a student. He did some
interesting work on energy conversion technology. He currently does
photovoltaic research at the Air Force Research Lab.


Nolan Hertel, ME Professor at GaTech. He is an actual professor,
in the medical effects of radiation in the mechanical engineering department.
I guess his work has "medical" in the title.


Dewey Hodges, Aerospace Eng Professor at GaTech. Again, he's an actual
professor, concentrating in Mechanical dynamical systems. His GaTech
webpage also includes several Bible study presentations, under the
impressive name (on EVERY PAGE) of "Dewey H Hodges, PhD". So not
only is his PhD an authority factor in engineering (at which he is
quite good), it is also authoritative in evolution and in theology.
GaTech gives good degrees. He has a fascinating bio up at that
same website:
http://www.ae.gatech.edu/people/dhodges/papers/ChristianTestimony.htm


James P Russum, PhD Chem Eng, GaTech. Well, he just graduated last year.
This is by far the most relevant (not saying much), he did his thesis
research on polymerization in emulsions. Great student.


Rodney Ice, Principle Research Scientist, Nuke Eng, GaTech. this is a
strange one...I found him at GaTech using a web google to an old page,
but he's not listed anywhere at the department any more. He seems
to have been a radiomedicine engineering researcher and adjunct
professor.


J Meridith: Assoc Prof chem Eng J Carson Meredith, GaTech. Another
one that is nearly applicable, this one in advanced polymer
combinatorics. He works in the building next to mine.


Russell Peak, Senior Researcher, Engineering Information
Systems, GaTech. Well, this one was a bitch to track down.
It's actually in the mechanical engineering dept, and it's
only a side job for him. He works at the manufacturing
research center, in the following areas, you can judge
the applicability to the DI statement:"X-analysis integration (XAI) -
the integration of engineering analysis with design and other disciplines.
Engineering applications of artificial intelligence and information
technology, with a focus on electronic packaging and structural analysis."
Another smart guy, but his degree and professorship do not confer
any "authority" in this field.


Dan Tedder, Assoc Prof, Chem Eng, GaTech. He's in waste management systems. He
is also on the faculty at "Leadership U," which is a plot by right-wing
christians to spread some lies and extract money from suckers at the
same time. Anti-evolution to their core. I think that gives him
more authority than his waste management research, but I can't
be sure.


These aren't all the same as I looked up last time. Particularly,
there was one listed in my department (Biomedical Engineering,
GaTech) who is no longer listed. One last one who is listed,
Eugene Ashby, has raised a ruckus on campus recently with his
creationism:


http://www.nique.net/issues/2005-10-07/focus/3
http://www.nique.net/issues/2005-10-14/opinions/5


I'm curious that I can no longer find the one in my department...some
may recall that was a real issue when I was choosing schools!


I'm currently studying also in the Neuroscience group at Emory,
and one of the signers is a graduate. He is listed on the DI
statement as "PhD Neurobiology, Emory University," so I was surprised
to see that he actually graduated in 1991, which I think was long
before this statement was signed, and since 1991 has been a professor
of biology (studying dinosaurs and dinosaur tracks??) at Huntington University,
a conservative christian school in Indiana. He claims to be working on
a "manuscript" in cognitive neuroscience. I can't find any evidence that
he has done any research in neuroscience in the 15 years since he
left Emory. Emory does have a fantastic neurobiology program. The
articles he touts in his bio were published during grad school. That's
a cool university gig that doesn't require any publications for 15 years!
Nearly all of his work seems to be in intelligent design, these days. I'd
love to hear him teaching, for example, the comparitive embryology class
his department (2 professors large) offers.


Ah, well, enough time wasted on a Friday afternoon. As I said
before, those aren't the same ones I had looked up last year.
The biggest problem I see above is that they are mostly PhD
students, and nearly all in unrelated fields.


rich