Suosittelen lukemaan Victor J. Stengerin uuden kirjan God: The Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist.
Siinä hän rakentaa Jumala-mallin, joka perustuu siihen Jumalaan, johon tavalliset ihmiset perinteisesti uskovat, ja jonka olemassaolon tai olemassaolemattomuuden VOI todistaa tieteellisesti:
The Scientific God Model
1. God is the creator and preserver of the universe.
1. God is the architect of the structure of universe and the author of the laws of nature.
3. God steps in whenever he wishes to change the course of events, which may include violating his own laws as, for example, in response to human entreaties.
4. God is the creator and preserver of life and humanity, where human beings are special in relation to other life forms.
5. God has endowed humans with immaterial, eternal souls that exist independent of their bodies and carry the essence of a person's character and selfhood.
6. God is the source of morality and other human values such as freedom, justice, and democracy.
7. God has revealed truths in scriptures and by communicating directly to select individuals throughout history.
8. God does not deliberately hide from any human being who is open to finding evidence for his presence.
Note that the "3O" attributes - omniscience, omnibenevolence, and omnipotence - are not in general assumed.
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Nyt kun on rakennettu Jumala-malli, voidaan lähteä tutkimaan, löytyykö todisteita. Jos Jumala-malli kumotaan, niin se ei tarkoita, että KAIKKI mahdolliset jumalat - esim. jokin todellisuuden ulkopuolella oleva tarkkailijajumala - olisi kumottu, vaan ainoastaan sitä, että kristittyjen, juutalaisten ja muslimien Jumala on kumottu. Ei sataprosenttisesti, vaan "beyond a reasonable doubt", kuten Stenger kirjassaan selventää.
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Summary of Gods that do not agree with the data:
1. A god who is the source of humanity's commonly accepted notions of morals and values fails to agree with the empirical fact that most religious believers act on these morals and values in ways that contradict the traditional teachings of their faiths as found in scriptures and other sacred writings. It also disagrees with the empirical act that many of the morals and values of humanity are common to believer and nonbelievers alike and have a plausible natural explanation.
2. A god who has given humans immortal and immaterial souls fails to agree with the empirical facts that human memories and thoughts are affected by physical processes, no nonphysical powers of the mind can be found, and no evidence exists for an afterlife.
3. A god who is responsible for the complex structure of the world, especially living things, fails to agree with empirical fact that that structure can be understood to arise from natural processes and shows none of the expected signs of design. Indeed, the universe exhibits a clear lack of design.
4. A god who reveals himself to humans by means of a nonphysical channel of communication called revelation fails to agree with the fact that no revelation has ever been confirmed empirically. No claimed revelation contains information that could not have been already in the head of the person reporting the revelation.
5. A god whose interactions with humans, including miraculous interventions, have been reported in scriptures is contradicted by the lack of independent evidence that these miraculous events took place and the fact that physical evidence rules out some of the most important narratives.
6. A god who miraculously and supernaturally created the universe fails to agree with the empirical fact that no violations of physical law were required to produce the universe. It also fails to agree with established theories, based on empirical facts, which indicate that the universe began with maximum entropy and so retains no memory of a creator.
7. A god who fine-tuned the laws and constants of physics for life, in particular human life, fails to agree with the fact that universe is not congenial to human life, being tremendously wasteful of time, space, and matter. It also fails to agree with the fact that the universe is mostly composed of particles in random motion, with complex structures forming less than four percent of the mass and less than one particle out of a billion.
8. The god who created the laws of physics fails to agree with the fact that these laws, and the corresponding mathematical models, are human contrivances that can be shown to arise from the very lack of the special point of view required by the god model.
Siinä hän rakentaa Jumala-mallin, joka perustuu siihen Jumalaan, johon tavalliset ihmiset perinteisesti uskovat, ja jonka olemassaolon tai olemassaolemattomuuden VOI todistaa tieteellisesti:
The Scientific God Model
1. God is the creator and preserver of the universe.
1. God is the architect of the structure of universe and the author of the laws of nature.
3. God steps in whenever he wishes to change the course of events, which may include violating his own laws as, for example, in response to human entreaties.
4. God is the creator and preserver of life and humanity, where human beings are special in relation to other life forms.
5. God has endowed humans with immaterial, eternal souls that exist independent of their bodies and carry the essence of a person's character and selfhood.
6. God is the source of morality and other human values such as freedom, justice, and democracy.
7. God has revealed truths in scriptures and by communicating directly to select individuals throughout history.
8. God does not deliberately hide from any human being who is open to finding evidence for his presence.
Note that the "3O" attributes - omniscience, omnibenevolence, and omnipotence - are not in general assumed.
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Nyt kun on rakennettu Jumala-malli, voidaan lähteä tutkimaan, löytyykö todisteita. Jos Jumala-malli kumotaan, niin se ei tarkoita, että KAIKKI mahdolliset jumalat - esim. jokin todellisuuden ulkopuolella oleva tarkkailijajumala - olisi kumottu, vaan ainoastaan sitä, että kristittyjen, juutalaisten ja muslimien Jumala on kumottu. Ei sataprosenttisesti, vaan "beyond a reasonable doubt", kuten Stenger kirjassaan selventää.
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Summary of Gods that do not agree with the data:
1. A god who is the source of humanity's commonly accepted notions of morals and values fails to agree with the empirical fact that most religious believers act on these morals and values in ways that contradict the traditional teachings of their faiths as found in scriptures and other sacred writings. It also disagrees with the empirical act that many of the morals and values of humanity are common to believer and nonbelievers alike and have a plausible natural explanation.
2. A god who has given humans immortal and immaterial souls fails to agree with the empirical facts that human memories and thoughts are affected by physical processes, no nonphysical powers of the mind can be found, and no evidence exists for an afterlife.
3. A god who is responsible for the complex structure of the world, especially living things, fails to agree with empirical fact that that structure can be understood to arise from natural processes and shows none of the expected signs of design. Indeed, the universe exhibits a clear lack of design.
4. A god who reveals himself to humans by means of a nonphysical channel of communication called revelation fails to agree with the fact that no revelation has ever been confirmed empirically. No claimed revelation contains information that could not have been already in the head of the person reporting the revelation.
5. A god whose interactions with humans, including miraculous interventions, have been reported in scriptures is contradicted by the lack of independent evidence that these miraculous events took place and the fact that physical evidence rules out some of the most important narratives.
6. A god who miraculously and supernaturally created the universe fails to agree with the empirical fact that no violations of physical law were required to produce the universe. It also fails to agree with established theories, based on empirical facts, which indicate that the universe began with maximum entropy and so retains no memory of a creator.
7. A god who fine-tuned the laws and constants of physics for life, in particular human life, fails to agree with the fact that universe is not congenial to human life, being tremendously wasteful of time, space, and matter. It also fails to agree with the fact that the universe is mostly composed of particles in random motion, with complex structures forming less than four percent of the mass and less than one particle out of a billion.
8. The god who created the laws of physics fails to agree with the fact that these laws, and the corresponding mathematical models, are human contrivances that can be shown to arise from the very lack of the special point of view required by the god model.
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Vanhimmat
Otsikkosi oli hyvin harhaanjohtava. Missä olikaan se tieteellinen todiste, edes yksi?
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No, miksi et niitä sitten kirjoittanut luettaviksi, lainasit vain ympäripyöreätä b.....iä.
Voi meitä onnettomien poikia. Kyselet todisteita ja vielä sellaisesta asiasta kuin todistaa olematon olemattomaksi. Ajatteleminen ei sovi näköjään yhtään sinun vartalollesi. Kerro ensimmäinen todistettavasti jumalan teko tai ilmestys josta on muutakin kuin mutu- tai perimätietoa. James Randin miljoona taalaa on sinun jos sellaiseen pystyt. Randi suhtautuu skeptisesti miltei joka asiaan joten ainakaan puolueellisuudesta häntä ei voi syyttää.