Mamujen koulumenestys

kulttuurista, mene vaikka Somaliaan kattomaan mitä se "kulttuuri" on saanut aikaan ja vertaa sitä Suomeen tai Ruotsiin... ihan pieniä eroja juu, lähes huomaamattomia, hahaha.

ehehehehehhhh kirjoitti:

kulttuurista, mene vaikka Somaliaan kattomaan mitä se "kulttuuri" on saanut aikaan ja vertaa sitä Suomeen tai Ruotsiin... ihan pieniä eroja juu, lähes huomaamattomia, hahaha.

Oletko seonnut, tupis? Nyt puhutaan maahanmuuttajien koulumenestyksestä Ruotsissa.

vitun idiootit! kirjoitti:

Oletko seonnut, tupis? Nyt puhutaan maahanmuuttajien koulumenestyksestä Ruotsissa.

sä sanoit että erot johtuu kulttuurista. Missä sen kulttuurin saavutuksia ja tasoa voi paremmin nähdä kuin sen kotimaassa, häh? Alkeellinen kulttuuri, alkeelliset saavukset. Eihän somalit ole saaneet aikaan edes toimivaa valtiota. Ei siltä pohjalta kannata ihmetellä koulusaavutuksiakaan. Kun ei pysty niin ei pysty, ei ole tarpeeksi annettu. Ei kai älykäs kansa elä romahtaneessa valtiossa vuosikymmeniä, vai? Tai pärjää koulussa kaikista huonoiten. Mitä et ymmärrä?

eheheheheehhhh kirjoitti:

sä sanoit että erot johtuu kulttuurista. Missä sen kulttuurin saavutuksia ja tasoa voi paremmin nähdä kuin sen kotimaassa, häh? Alkeellinen kulttuuri, alkeelliset saavukset. Eihän somalit ole saaneet aikaan edes toimivaa valtiota. Ei siltä pohjalta kannata ihmetellä koulusaavutuksiakaan. Kun ei pysty niin ei pysty, ei ole tarpeeksi annettu. Ei kai älykäs kansa elä romahtaneessa valtiossa vuosikymmeniä, vai? Tai pärjää koulussa kaikista huonoiten. Mitä et ymmärrä?

Oliko puhe koulumenestyksestä vai koulumenetyksestä :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10276738.stm

En tiedä onko rotu vai mikä, mutta eipä tule mieleen yhtään somalialaista tiedemiestä, keksintöä tai edes tuotetta tms.

"Somalit ovat hyysäreiden mukaan lääkäreitä, insinöörejä jne. Tosin vain yksi kymmenestä osaa lukea/kirjoittaa."
Somaliassa voi ostaa väärennetyt paperit eli nämä lääkärin ym. akateemiset paperit.
Kuka uskoo, että luku/kirjoitustaidoton voi olla korkeasti koulutettu?

siniblondi kirjoitti:

"Somalit ovat hyysäreiden mukaan lääkäreitä, insinöörejä jne. Tosin vain yksi kymmenestä osaa lukea/kirjoittaa."
Somaliassa voi ostaa väärennetyt paperit eli nämä lääkärin ym. akateemiset paperit.
Kuka uskoo, että luku/kirjoitustaidoton voi olla korkeasti koulutettu?

INÄ USKON!

USKOTHAN SINÄKIN?

ehkä rotu... kirjoitti:

En tiedä onko rotu vai mikä, mutta eipä tule mieleen yhtään somalialaista tiedemiestä, keksintöä tai edes tuotetta tms.

Tarkoitatko että kovinkin hyvin tunnet tiedemaailman ja etenkin somalitaustaiset tiedemiehet?

Googlettamiseen 15 sek:

* Ali A. Abdi - Somali anthropologist and professor of Education and International Development at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada and is President of the Comparative and International Education Society of Canada. He is also the founding editor of the peer reviewed online publication Journal of Contemporary Issues in Education
* Abdi Mohamed Kusow – Somali Associate Professor of Sociology at Iowa State in Ames, Iowa. Has written extensively on Somali sociology and anthropology.
* Shire Jama Ahmed, linguist who devised a unique Latin script for the Somali language
* Ahmed Ismail Samatar - prominent Somali professor and dean of the Institute for Global Citizenship at Macalester College[1]. He is the editor of Bildhaan: An International Journal of Somali Studies
* Said Sheikh Samatar – Prominent Somali scholar and writer. Main areas of interest are linguistics and sociology.
* Mohamed Haji Mukhtar – Somali Professor of African & Middle Eastern History at Savannah State University. Has written extensively on the history of Somalia and the Somali language.
* Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi – Somali scholar, linguist and writer. Published on Somali culture, history, language and ethnogenesis.
* Ali Jimale Ahmed – Somali poet, essayist, scholar, and short story writer. Published on Somali history and linguistics
* Abdisalam Issa-Salwe (PhD) – scholar, writer; currently an Associate Professor in Information Systems in the Faculty of Computer Science and Engineering at Taibah University in Medina, Saudi Arabia.
* Shaykh Sufi (1829–1904) – 19th century Somali scholar, poet, reformist and astrologist.
* Hassan al-Jabarti (d.1774) – Somali mathematician, theologian, astronomer and philosopher, considered one of the great scholars of the 18th century.
* Warsame Ali – Somali scientist and assistant professor at Prairie View A&M University, specialized in aerospace technology. He has previously worked for NASA.
* Ali Said Faqi – Somali scientist and the leading researcher on the design and interpretation of toxicology studies at the MPI research center in Mattawan, Michigan.
* Jama Musse Jama, prominent Somali ethnomathematician and author. He is notable for his research on traditional Somali boardgames such as Shax and the history of mathematics in the Horn of Africa.
* Abdusalam Abubakar, one of the youngest winners of the BT Young Scientist of the Year Award who later went on to win the European Union Contest for Young Scientists for his project, which was entitled An Extension of Wiener’s Attack on RSA.
* Aden Ibrahim Aw Hirsi, author who specializes in Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) and political science
* Hussein Jama, engineer and pioneer in the research of blast-resistant structures.
* Amina Said Ali, author, poet, and medical scientist based in Stockholm, Sweden.
* Alim Ahmed Fatah, senior scientist, chemist and inventor of the self-adhesive postage stamp.
* Ahmed Mumin Warfa, scientist, specialised in Botany and jointly discovered the Cyclamen somalense, the first genus from Tropical Africa with his colleague Mats Thulin. Dr. Warfa is the "world’s pre-eminent authority on frankincense", and a professor at Salt Lake Community College.
* Osman Aden Abdulle, prominent Somali geneticist that has studied the Somali bloodtype and it's ethnogenesis. In 1987 he jointly discovered with his colleagues a new Rh gene complex producing the rare Cx (Rh9) antigen in the Somali population.
* Dr. Zakaria Farah is since 1982 senior lecturer for food technology in developing countries at Institute of Food Science and Nutrition, ETHZ. He is a leader of a group within the institute dealing with development oriented research programmes in the area of food security in developing countries. (wikipedia)

Entä montako suomalaista tiedemiestä maailmalla tunnetaan? Aivan, ei yhtäkään. Todennäköisesti et itsekään tiedä nimeltä ensimmäistäkään suomalaista tiedemiestä.

siniblondi kirjoitti:

"Somalit ovat hyysäreiden mukaan lääkäreitä, insinöörejä jne. Tosin vain yksi kymmenestä osaa lukea/kirjoittaa."
Somaliassa voi ostaa väärennetyt paperit eli nämä lääkärin ym. akateemiset paperit.
Kuka uskoo, että luku/kirjoitustaidoton voi olla korkeasti koulutettu?

on olemassa maita, joissa on sekä korkeasti koulutettuja että lukutaidottomia. Somalia on yksi niistä, Afganistan toinen, Irak kolmas. Suomi ja Ruotsi eivät ole sellaisia maita. Kolmen ensinmainitun suhteen löytyy muitakin yhtäläisyyksiä, jotka kenties käyvät selittävistä tekijöistä. Samoin kahden viimeksimainitun.

"tule mieleen"? kirjoitti:

Tarkoitatko että kovinkin hyvin tunnet tiedemaailman ja etenkin somalitaustaiset tiedemiehet?

Googlettamiseen 15 sek:

* Ali A. Abdi - Somali anthropologist and professor of Education and International Development at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada and is President of the Comparative and International Education Society of Canada. He is also the founding editor of the peer reviewed online publication Journal of Contemporary Issues in Education
* Abdi Mohamed Kusow – Somali Associate Professor of Sociology at Iowa State in Ames, Iowa. Has written extensively on Somali sociology and anthropology.
* Shire Jama Ahmed, linguist who devised a unique Latin script for the Somali language
* Ahmed Ismail Samatar - prominent Somali professor and dean of the Institute for Global Citizenship at Macalester College[1]. He is the editor of Bildhaan: An International Journal of Somali Studies
* Said Sheikh Samatar – Prominent Somali scholar and writer. Main areas of interest are linguistics and sociology.
* Mohamed Haji Mukhtar – Somali Professor of African & Middle Eastern History at Savannah State University. Has written extensively on the history of Somalia and the Somali language.
* Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi – Somali scholar, linguist and writer. Published on Somali culture, history, language and ethnogenesis.
* Ali Jimale Ahmed – Somali poet, essayist, scholar, and short story writer. Published on Somali history and linguistics
* Abdisalam Issa-Salwe (PhD) – scholar, writer; currently an Associate Professor in Information Systems in the Faculty of Computer Science and Engineering at Taibah University in Medina, Saudi Arabia.
* Shaykh Sufi (1829–1904) – 19th century Somali scholar, poet, reformist and astrologist.
* Hassan al-Jabarti (d.1774) – Somali mathematician, theologian, astronomer and philosopher, considered one of the great scholars of the 18th century.
* Warsame Ali – Somali scientist and assistant professor at Prairie View A&M University, specialized in aerospace technology. He has previously worked for NASA.
* Ali Said Faqi – Somali scientist and the leading researcher on the design and interpretation of toxicology studies at the MPI research center in Mattawan, Michigan.
* Jama Musse Jama, prominent Somali ethnomathematician and author. He is notable for his research on traditional Somali boardgames such as Shax and the history of mathematics in the Horn of Africa.
* Abdusalam Abubakar, one of the youngest winners of the BT Young Scientist of the Year Award who later went on to win the European Union Contest for Young Scientists for his project, which was entitled An Extension of Wiener’s Attack on RSA.
* Aden Ibrahim Aw Hirsi, author who specializes in Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) and political science
* Hussein Jama, engineer and pioneer in the research of blast-resistant structures.
* Amina Said Ali, author, poet, and medical scientist based in Stockholm, Sweden.
* Alim Ahmed Fatah, senior scientist, chemist and inventor of the self-adhesive postage stamp.
* Ahmed Mumin Warfa, scientist, specialised in Botany and jointly discovered the Cyclamen somalense, the first genus from Tropical Africa with his colleague Mats Thulin. Dr. Warfa is the "world’s pre-eminent authority on frankincense", and a professor at Salt Lake Community College.
* Osman Aden Abdulle, prominent Somali geneticist that has studied the Somali bloodtype and it's ethnogenesis. In 1987 he jointly discovered with his colleagues a new Rh gene complex producing the rare Cx (Rh9) antigen in the Somali population.
* Dr. Zakaria Farah is since 1982 senior lecturer for food technology in developing countries at Institute of Food Science and Nutrition, ETHZ. He is a leader of a group within the institute dealing with development oriented research programmes in the area of food security in developing countries. (wikipedia)

Entä montako suomalaista tiedemiestä maailmalla tunnetaan? Aivan, ei yhtäkään. Todennäköisesti et itsekään tiedä nimeltä ensimmäistäkään suomalaista tiedemiestä.

Great Finnish literary figures include Elias Lönnrot (1802–84), compiler of the national epic, the Kalevala; Johan Ludwig Runeberg (1804–77), the most important of the 19th-century Finnish-Swedish writers, known for his Elk Hunters and Songs of Ensign Stål; Aleksis Kivi (1834–72), the founder of modern Finnish-language literature and author of The Seven Brothers; Juhani Aho (1861–1921), master of Finnish prose; Eino Leino (1878–1926), perhaps the greatest lyric poet to write in Finnish; Frans Eemil Sillanpää (1888–1964), a Nobel Prize winner (1939), known to English-language audiences through his Meek Heritage and The Maid Silja; Toivo Pekkanen (1902–57), whose novels portray the impact of industrialization on Finnish life; Mika Waltari (1908–79), member of the Finnish Academy; Väinö Linna (1920–92), a Scandinavian Literature Prize winner (1963) and author of The Unknown Soldier (1954); and the antiwar novelist and playwright Veijo Meri (b.1928).

Finnish architects who are well known abroad include Eliel Saarinen (1873–1950) and his son Eero Saarinen (1910–61), whose career was chiefly in the US; Alvar Aalto (1898–1976); Viljo Revell (1910–64); and Aarne Ervi (1910–77). A leading sculptor was Wäinö Aaltonen (1894–1966); others well known are Eila Hiltunen (b.1922) and Laila Pullinen (b.1933). Five representative painters are Helena Schjerfbeck (1852–1946), Albert Edelfelt (1854–1905), Akseli Gallen-Kalléla (1865–1931), Pekka Halonen (1865–1933), and Tyko Sallinen (1879–1955). Arts and crafts hold an important place in Finnish culture: leading figures are Tapio Wirkkala (1915–85) and Timo Sarpaneva (b.1926). Finnish music has been dominated by Jean Sibelius (1865–1957). Also notable are the composer of art songs Yrjö Kilpinen (1892–1957), the composer of operas and symphonies Aulis Sallinen (b.1935), and opera and concert bass Martti Talvela (1935–89).

Scientists of international repute are A. I. Wirtanen (1895–1973), Nobel Prize winner for chemistry in 1945; Rolf Nevanlinna (1895–1980), mathematician; Pentti Eskola (1883–1964), geologist; V. A. Heiskanen (1895–1971), professor of geodesy; Aimo Kaarlo Cajander (1879–1943), botanist and silviculturist; Edward Westermarck (1862–1939), ethnographer and sociologist; and Yrjö Väisälä (1891–1971), astronomer.

Outstanding athletes include Hannes Kolehmainen (1890–1966) and Paavo Nurmi (1897–1973), who between them won 14 Olympic medals in track. Another distance runner, Lasse Viren (b.1949), won gold medals in both the 1972 and 1976 games.

Major political figures of the 19th century were Johan Wilhelm Snellman (1806–81) and Yrjö Sakari Yrjö-Koskinen (1830–1903). Inseparably linked with the history of independent Finland is Marshal Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (1867–1951), and with the recent postwar period President Juho Kusti Paasikivi (1870–1956). Sakari Tuomioja (1911–64) was prominent in UN affairs. President Urho Kekkonen (1900–86) was instrumental in preserving Finland's neutrality. Mauno Henrik Koivisto (b.1923) served as president from 1982 until 1994.

"tule mieleen"? kirjoitti:

Tarkoitatko että kovinkin hyvin tunnet tiedemaailman ja etenkin somalitaustaiset tiedemiehet?

Googlettamiseen 15 sek:

* Ali A. Abdi - Somali anthropologist and professor of Education and International Development at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada and is President of the Comparative and International Education Society of Canada. He is also the founding editor of the peer reviewed online publication Journal of Contemporary Issues in Education
* Abdi Mohamed Kusow – Somali Associate Professor of Sociology at Iowa State in Ames, Iowa. Has written extensively on Somali sociology and anthropology.
* Shire Jama Ahmed, linguist who devised a unique Latin script for the Somali language
* Ahmed Ismail Samatar - prominent Somali professor and dean of the Institute for Global Citizenship at Macalester College[1]. He is the editor of Bildhaan: An International Journal of Somali Studies
* Said Sheikh Samatar – Prominent Somali scholar and writer. Main areas of interest are linguistics and sociology.
* Mohamed Haji Mukhtar – Somali Professor of African & Middle Eastern History at Savannah State University. Has written extensively on the history of Somalia and the Somali language.
* Mohamed Diriye Abdullahi – Somali scholar, linguist and writer. Published on Somali culture, history, language and ethnogenesis.
* Ali Jimale Ahmed – Somali poet, essayist, scholar, and short story writer. Published on Somali history and linguistics
* Abdisalam Issa-Salwe (PhD) – scholar, writer; currently an Associate Professor in Information Systems in the Faculty of Computer Science and Engineering at Taibah University in Medina, Saudi Arabia.
* Shaykh Sufi (1829–1904) – 19th century Somali scholar, poet, reformist and astrologist.
* Hassan al-Jabarti (d.1774) – Somali mathematician, theologian, astronomer and philosopher, considered one of the great scholars of the 18th century.
* Warsame Ali – Somali scientist and assistant professor at Prairie View A&M University, specialized in aerospace technology. He has previously worked for NASA.
* Ali Said Faqi – Somali scientist and the leading researcher on the design and interpretation of toxicology studies at the MPI research center in Mattawan, Michigan.
* Jama Musse Jama, prominent Somali ethnomathematician and author. He is notable for his research on traditional Somali boardgames such as Shax and the history of mathematics in the Horn of Africa.
* Abdusalam Abubakar, one of the youngest winners of the BT Young Scientist of the Year Award who later went on to win the European Union Contest for Young Scientists for his project, which was entitled An Extension of Wiener’s Attack on RSA.
* Aden Ibrahim Aw Hirsi, author who specializes in Fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) and political science
* Hussein Jama, engineer and pioneer in the research of blast-resistant structures.
* Amina Said Ali, author, poet, and medical scientist based in Stockholm, Sweden.
* Alim Ahmed Fatah, senior scientist, chemist and inventor of the self-adhesive postage stamp.
* Ahmed Mumin Warfa, scientist, specialised in Botany and jointly discovered the Cyclamen somalense, the first genus from Tropical Africa with his colleague Mats Thulin. Dr. Warfa is the "world’s pre-eminent authority on frankincense", and a professor at Salt Lake Community College.
* Osman Aden Abdulle, prominent Somali geneticist that has studied the Somali bloodtype and it's ethnogenesis. In 1987 he jointly discovered with his colleagues a new Rh gene complex producing the rare Cx (Rh9) antigen in the Somali population.
* Dr. Zakaria Farah is since 1982 senior lecturer for food technology in developing countries at Institute of Food Science and Nutrition, ETHZ. He is a leader of a group within the institute dealing with development oriented research programmes in the area of food security in developing countries. (wikipedia)

Entä montako suomalaista tiedemiestä maailmalla tunnetaan? Aivan, ei yhtäkään. Todennäköisesti et itsekään tiedä nimeltä ensimmäistäkään suomalaista tiedemiestä.

maailmankuuluista somaleista.alan miehenä -räjäyttäjä- minua kiinnoistaisi hussein jaman työura.
onko kellään tarkempia tietoja??? ihan totta.

Famous Finns kirjoitti:

Great Finnish literary figures include Elias Lönnrot (1802–84), compiler of the national epic, the Kalevala; Johan Ludwig Runeberg (1804–77), the most important of the 19th-century Finnish-Swedish writers, known for his Elk Hunters and Songs of Ensign Stål; Aleksis Kivi (1834–72), the founder of modern Finnish-language literature and author of The Seven Brothers; Juhani Aho (1861–1921), master of Finnish prose; Eino Leino (1878–1926), perhaps the greatest lyric poet to write in Finnish; Frans Eemil Sillanpää (1888–1964), a Nobel Prize winner (1939), known to English-language audiences through his Meek Heritage and The Maid Silja; Toivo Pekkanen (1902–57), whose novels portray the impact of industrialization on Finnish life; Mika Waltari (1908–79), member of the Finnish Academy; Väinö Linna (1920–92), a Scandinavian Literature Prize winner (1963) and author of The Unknown Soldier (1954); and the antiwar novelist and playwright Veijo Meri (b.1928).

Finnish architects who are well known abroad include Eliel Saarinen (1873–1950) and his son Eero Saarinen (1910–61), whose career was chiefly in the US; Alvar Aalto (1898–1976); Viljo Revell (1910–64); and Aarne Ervi (1910–77). A leading sculptor was Wäinö Aaltonen (1894–1966); others well known are Eila Hiltunen (b.1922) and Laila Pullinen (b.1933). Five representative painters are Helena Schjerfbeck (1852–1946), Albert Edelfelt (1854–1905), Akseli Gallen-Kalléla (1865–1931), Pekka Halonen (1865–1933), and Tyko Sallinen (1879–1955). Arts and crafts hold an important place in Finnish culture: leading figures are Tapio Wirkkala (1915–85) and Timo Sarpaneva (b.1926). Finnish music has been dominated by Jean Sibelius (1865–1957). Also notable are the composer of art songs Yrjö Kilpinen (1892–1957), the composer of operas and symphonies Aulis Sallinen (b.1935), and opera and concert bass Martti Talvela (1935–89).

Scientists of international repute are A. I. Wirtanen (1895–1973), Nobel Prize winner for chemistry in 1945; Rolf Nevanlinna (1895–1980), mathematician; Pentti Eskola (1883–1964), geologist; V. A. Heiskanen (1895–1971), professor of geodesy; Aimo Kaarlo Cajander (1879–1943), botanist and silviculturist; Edward Westermarck (1862–1939), ethnographer and sociologist; and Yrjö Väisälä (1891–1971), astronomer.

Outstanding athletes include Hannes Kolehmainen (1890–1966) and Paavo Nurmi (1897–1973), who between them won 14 Olympic medals in track. Another distance runner, Lasse Viren (b.1949), won gold medals in both the 1972 and 1976 games.

Major political figures of the 19th century were Johan Wilhelm Snellman (1806–81) and Yrjö Sakari Yrjö-Koskinen (1830–1903). Inseparably linked with the history of independent Finland is Marshal Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim (1867–1951), and with the recent postwar period President Juho Kusti Paasikivi (1870–1956). Sakari Tuomioja (1911–64) was prominent in UN affairs. President Urho Kekkonen (1900–86) was instrumental in preserving Finland's neutrality. Mauno Henrik Koivisto (b.1923) served as president from 1982 until 1994.

turhapuro on myös maailmankuulu suomalainen , ainakin suomessa.
unohtamatta edesmennyttä politikkoa joka tunnettii usassakin paremmin kuin kekkonen , tony viikinki. rauha hänen muistolleen.

- mutta kirjoitti:

on olemassa maita, joissa on sekä korkeasti koulutettuja että lukutaidottomia. Somalia on yksi niistä, Afganistan toinen, Irak kolmas. Suomi ja Ruotsi eivät ole sellaisia maita. Kolmen ensinmainitun suhteen löytyy muitakin yhtäläisyyksiä, jotka kenties käyvät selittävistä tekijöistä. Samoin kahden viimeksimainitun.

yliopistoon tai vastaavaan viittaavaa? Talebanin pomminrakennuskurssilta valmistuneet voivat kait tituleerata itseään insinööreiksi, mutta varsinainen akateeminen koulutus taitaa loistaa poissaolollaan.

Luultavasti tässäkin asiassa Suomessa perustetaan työryhmiä ja budjetoidaan varoja, kun mietitään mikä suomalaisessa korkeakoulujärjestelmässä on pielessä, kun täällä kestää insinööriksi valmistuminen 4-6 vuotta, mutta Somalian korkeakulttuurissa vastaava onnistuu kuukaudessa ja lahjakkaimmilta viikonlopussa.

Niinkö luulet. En ole kyllä Perussuomalaisten jäsen, enkä minkään muun puolueen. Tälle palstalle satunnaisesti kirjoittelen. Lukion päästötodistuksen keskiarvo 9,8 , 5 *L 1*M, ylempi korkeakoulututkinto (dipl. ins.), 20 vuotta töissä isoissa vientiyrityksissä. Entäpä sinä, lukuja ja tutkintoja kehiin!!!!

Yliopistosta maisterin paperit suoritettu, työelämässä yli 20 vuotta. Tähän asti äänestänyt keskustaa ja kokoomusta, seuraavissa eduskuntavaaleissa vaihtuu perussuomalaisiin.