Sivulta: http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/CA/natruths.htm
"MRS. SYLVIA WALKER'S STATEMENT
Jo claimed to receive a revelation to dig forty feet into a hill about two miles north of where he pretended to find the gold plates of the "Book of Mormon," where he would find a cave that contained gold furniture, chairs and table. The Mormons dug into the hill horizontally over forty feet without finding any cave. The boys troubled them so they placed a door with lock at the entrance. The boys placed brush against it and destroyed it with fire. The Mormons abandoned it."
"Christopher M. Stafford
When he claimed to find gold plates of the Mormon Bible no attention was paid to them or him by his neighbors. Some time after Jo had men dig on a tunnel forty or fifty feet [p.167] long in a hill about two miles north of where he claimed to find the plates. I have been in it. Some people surmised it was intended for counterfeiting."
"Cornelius R. Stafford
A year or two after Jo claimed to find the plates of the "Book of Mormon." He had men dig a tunnel near fifty feet long in a hill about two miles north of the hill where he claimed to find the plates. I tried to look into a peep-stone in my hat in a dark room; I saw [p.168] nothing, some claimed they could."
Sivulla: http://bookofmormongeography.org/tvedtnes-resistance
Taas kerrotaan kuinka Palmyrasta on löytynyt luola, joka on kaivettu kukkulan kupeeseen..
Mikäs juttu tämä on? Nämä alkumormonien luolankaivuuoperaatiot oli minulle ihan uusi tuttavuus.
"MRS. SYLVIA WALKER'S STATEMENT
Jo claimed to receive a revelation to dig forty feet into a hill about two miles north of where he pretended to find the gold plates of the "Book of Mormon," where he would find a cave that contained gold furniture, chairs and table. The Mormons dug into the hill horizontally over forty feet without finding any cave. The boys troubled them so they placed a door with lock at the entrance. The boys placed brush against it and destroyed it with fire. The Mormons abandoned it."
"Christopher M. Stafford
When he claimed to find gold plates of the Mormon Bible no attention was paid to them or him by his neighbors. Some time after Jo had men dig on a tunnel forty or fifty feet [p.167] long in a hill about two miles north of where he claimed to find the plates. I have been in it. Some people surmised it was intended for counterfeiting."
"Cornelius R. Stafford
A year or two after Jo claimed to find the plates of the "Book of Mormon." He had men dig a tunnel near fifty feet long in a hill about two miles north of the hill where he claimed to find the plates. I tried to look into a peep-stone in my hat in a dark room; I saw [p.168] nothing, some claimed they could."
Sivulla: http://bookofmormongeography.org/tvedtnes-resistance
Taas kerrotaan kuinka Palmyrasta on löytynyt luola, joka on kaivettu kukkulan kupeeseen..
Mikäs juttu tämä on? Nämä alkumormonien luolankaivuuoperaatiot oli minulle ihan uusi tuttavuus.
Vastaukset 6
Vanhimmat
http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Geography/Hoaxes/Burrows_Cave_artifacts
Sinä se vaan lueskelet noita mormonismille negatiivisia sivustoja joilla on paljon ei tieteellisiä väittämiä aj hoakseja!
sivustolla: http://bookofmormongeography.org/church-canon
Kirkko EI ole koskaan sanonut että Kumora olisi Yhdysvaltojen alueelal tai että se olisi se kukkula josta JS löysi kultalevyt... taitaa olla humpuuki sivusto!
sivustolle joka tyrkyttää ns. hartland mallia jossa Nefiläsiet ja kumppanit asuivat suurten järvien tienoilla. MAP kirkon tutkijat ovat kuitenkin sitä mieltä, että hartland malli ei ole mahdollinen.
Tässä enemmän siitä:
WHY THE GREAT LAKES/HEARTLAND MODEL DOES NOT QUALIFY
(1) no major river running South to North, Mississippi River flows North to South
(2) no mountainous strip of wilderness that can hide Gadianton robbers, defend against Lamanites and serve as military dividing line for Captain Moroni (Alma 22:33-34,50:11)
(3) very little gold and silver east of the Mississippi
(4) no evidence of cement buildings anywhere in eastern U.S. or Canada, archaeologists have determined that the vast majority of discovered archaeological sites dating to the time period of the Book of Mormon are located in Mesoamerica
(5) no evidence that Adena and Hopewell co-existed for 250 years We make a grave mistake in trying to piece together the historical puzzle of the Book of Mormon if we ignore the traditional history of Mesoamerica.
(6) Adena and Hopewell were not true civilizations, but were small, loosely knit, family related units with no evidence of a written language. The area in and around the Isthmus of Tehuantepec constituted the embryo for both the calendar system and the written language of the Americas. This fact alone virtually eliminates any other geographical area from being considered as “lands of the Book of Mormon."
(7) So-called DNA "Proofs" use unsubstantiated theories
(8) Joseph Smith did not receive revelation where Book of Mormon lands were located, but his last statements about Book of Mormon geography point us to Mesoamerica (click here to see what Joseph Smith said about Mesoamerica)
(9) Columbus was directed to "the promised land", yet he never visited North America
Koska kirkolla ei ole virallista kantaa MKn tapahtumista annan tässä linkin tutkijoiden sivustolla jossa punnitaan eri mahdollisuuksia:
http://www.bmaf.org/node/323
Tietenkään nuo porukat eivät olleet suurten järvien alueella. Kyseessähän ovat satuporukat!
kirjoitus johon tuo vastaa:
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/review/?reviewed_books&vol=2&num=1&id=49
Ei muuten edes vastaa. Tektissä kyllä spekuloidaan Cumoran luolalla ja koitetaan väittää ettei sellainen ole mahdollinen. Sitten taas tässä artikkelissa:
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=13&num=1&id=338
Löytyy lähdeviitteenä maininta David Whitmeriltä, että luolasta on jossain Cumoran lähettyvillä, ei itse Cumoran kukkulalla.
It is interesting that his account differs from the others regarding the exact location of the cave, and yet it should be remembered that Whitmer's statement "not far away from that place" may have been referring to the exact place where the plates were found, and therefore the cave, which was nearby, could have still been in the hill proper. Another possibility is that, for some reason, Whitmer was thinking of Miner's Hill, which is just north of the Hill Cumorah and was said to feature a cave dug by Mormons; see Cameron Packer, "A Study of the Hill Cumorah: A Significant Latter-day Saint Landmark in Western New York" (master's thesis, Brigham Young University, 2002), 59—62.
Kun David Whitmer kertoi luolan olevan olemassa ja sitten jotkin paikalliset kertovat luolan olevan olemassa ja väittävät vieläpä käyneensä siinä niin onko luolan olemassa oloa itseasiassa syytä enää epäillä? Mitä luolassa sitten on tehty onkin ihan toinen juttu.
Maxwell instituutti tosin spekuloi, että luola olisi ollut vain mielikuvitusta, mutta toisaalta miksi olisi. Ei vanha kettu niin vain tavoistaan luovu ja Joseph Smithin aarteiden etsintähalut ovat ilmeisesti aikanaan johdattaneet alkumormonit kaivuuhommiin tyhjän perässä. Taas on vissiin hattuun kurkittu kun on aarteita etsitty.