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1.
neljä joukkuetta pelaavat turnauksen siten, että kaikki joukkueet pelaavat toisiaan vastaan kahdesti eli jokaiselle joukkueelle tulee näin kuusi ottelua. Ottelu voi päättyä kumman tahansa voittoon tai tasan. Voittaja saa kolme pistettä, häviäjä nolla ja tasapelistä kumpikin saa yhden pisteen. Näistä neljästä joukkueesta kaksi eniten pisteitä saanutta joukkuetta pääsee turnauksesta jatkoon. Jos pisteet ovat tasan, arvotaan jatkoonpääsy.

Mikä on minimipistemäärä millä voi päästä jatkoon ?

Millä pistemäärällä jatkoon pääsy on varmaa ?

2.
Yrjön Pitsa ja Laatta(YPL) on laskenut tarkkaan yrityksen vuosimenot myytyjen pitsojen määrän funktiona: M(x) = 6000 2,80x. M on euroina ja x on myytyjen pitsojen kappalemäärä. Tulot wositasolla ovat: I(x) =7,80x. Kuten ehkä voi päätellä ruokalista YPL:lIä on varsin kapea ja kaikki pitsat ovat hinnaltaan samoja siis 7,80 euroa kappale.

-Kuinka monta pitsaa YPL:n tulee vuosittain myydä, jotta tulot kattavat menot (M:T)?

-Kuinka monta pitsaa vuosittain tulee myydä, jotta YPL:n voitto olisi keskimääräinen palkansaajan vuosipalkka 36000 euroa?

3.
-karilla on kolme lasta, joiden ikien tulo on 455. Minkä ikäisiä lapset ovat?

-Leila on 23-vuotias ja hänellä on 3 nuorempaa sisarusta, joiden ikien tulo on 132. Minkä ikäisiä Leilan sisarukset ovat? (Esitä kaikki ratkaisut)

4.
Ns. metsäkuivan polttopuun lämpöarvo on noin 8,0 GJ/m3. Energialaitoksella puu hinnoitellaan energiasisällön mukaan ja 1,0 MWh maksaa noin 19 euroa. Mikä on näistä arvoista laskettu kuutiohinta?

5.
Henkilöauton massa on 1000 kg. Kuinka suurella vakio työntövoimalla se saadaan kiihdyettyä nopeudesta 0 m/s (lepotilasta) nopeuteen 10 m/s 4,0 sekunnissa? Kitkaa ja ilmanvastusta ei huomioida. Tie on vaakasuora.

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Hi. The above are what I've tried to translate to English so that I can solve them as I don't know Finnish-Suomi. I've been practicing mathematics and physics in preparation for the university entrance examination in Finland which is in English. Therefore I've collected exam samples of previous years however they are all in Finnish. So I must translate them all to English in order to solve them.
The following are the above problems translated into English using several translation engines: Google, Babylon, Microsoft etc. But I still don't undertand the questions as translation imperfection of the translation engines.
Please help me with translation. Thanks.
1.
Four teams play so that all the teams will play twice against each other, in other words that to every team six matches will come this way, a tournament. This game can end in either victory or a draw. The winner gets three points, the loser gets zero and both get one point from the draw. Chosen from four teams, two teams that get most points will get to the next round of the tournament. If the points are the same (resulted from draw matches), the shortlist will be chosen randomly.
What is the minimum points for a team to be qualified ?
What is the ensured point to get in the shortlist ?
2.
Yrjon Pitsa and Laatta (YPL) have counted the annual expenses of the company carefully as a function of the number of the sold pizzas: M(x) = 6000 2,80x. M is in euros and x is the number of pieces of sold pizzas. The annual income level is: T (x) = 7, 80 x. As may be inferred from the menu YPL has a quite narrow, and all pizzas are priced the same, therefore, of EUR 7.80 each.
- How many pizza YPL:n will be sold each year, so that revenues cover costs (M = T)?
-how many pizzas have to be sold every year so that the profit of YPL:n would be the average annual salary of its workers of 36000 euros ?
3.
on the rocks there are three children the product of their ages is 455. How old are the children?
Leila is 23 years old and she has 3 younger sisters the product of their ages is 132. How old are Leila's siblings? (Present all the solutions).
4.
The heat value of so-called forest dry firewood is about 8,0 GJ/m3. At Engergy Department the tree is priced according to the energy content and 1,0 MWh costs about 19 euros. What is the price/m3 calculated from these values?
5.
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Please help me to correct my translations and translate the 5th problem.
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  • I do not ask people to solve these above problems to me. I'm asking them to correct my translation of the problems from Finnish to English so that I can understand them. You know what I'm saying right now ??

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I would translate the fifth problem seems like this althougt I'm far from being a professional translator:

The mass of an automobile is 1000 kg. How large is the propulsion force as the car accelerates from the speed 0 m/s to the speed 10 m/s in 4.0 seconds if the propulsion force is assumed to be a constant? One can leave out the friction and the drag in this problem. The road is horizontal.

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  • Thank you very much. I understand the 5th problem now. Obviously, there’s no need to be a translation expert to make them understandable. I just need to grasp the very basic ideas of the above problems in order to solve them.

    What’s about the problem number 3: does ‘’ karilla on kolme lasta’’ mean ‘’ on the rocks there are three children’’. Does ‘’joiden ikien tulo on’’ mean ‘’the product of their ages is’’ -- product here is the result of multiplying ?

    And in the 2nd problem: ‘’ Kuinka monta pitsaa vuosittain tulee myydä, jotta YPL:n voitto olisi keskimääräinen palkansaajan vuosipalkka 36000 euroa?’’ what does it mean exactly. Why is there a ‘’ YPL:n’’? it seems irrelevant here.

    With the first problem: ''Näistä neljästä joukkueesta kaksi eniten pisteitä saanutta joukkuetta pääsee turnauksesta jatkoon. Jos pisteet ovat tasan, arvotaan jatkoonpääsy.
    Mikä on minimipistemäärä millä voi päästä jatkoon ?
    Millä pistemäärällä jatkoon pääsy on varmaa ?''
    Do these above phrases mean: ‘’Chosen from four teams, two teams that get most points will get to the next round of the tournament. If the points are the same (resulted from draw matches), the shortlist will be chosen randomly.
    What is the minimum points for a team to be qualified ?
    What is the ensured point to get in the shortlist ?’’ ?

    I’m convinced that only native Finnish speakers can understand and translate these problems. Thanks.

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  • 1. Four teams plays a tournament in a way that every team plays agains every other team twice, so every team plays six matches. In every match, the result can be draw, home team wins or away team wins. Winner gets three points, loser zero and draw means that both teams are awargeg by one point. Among these four teams two of them who get the most points goes to the next round of the tournament. If points are equal, an allotment decides which teams goes to the next round.

    What is the minimal number of points a team can go to the next round?

    How many points a team must get to make sure that they will go to the next round?

    2. Here YPL means Yrjon Pitsa ja Laatta. The question goes as follows:

    How many pizzas Yrjon Pitsa ja Laatta should sell annually if the company's operational profit would be the same as an average wage-earner's annual salary 36000 euro?

    3. Kari has three children and the product of the children ages is 455. What are the ages of the children?

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  • 1. May be more clear as follows:
    What is the minimum number of points a team needs to have a chance to go to the next round (answer obviously 6 points)
    What is a minimum number of points a team needs to be sure to go to the next round (answer obviously 13 points)

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  • mathhobbyist kirjoitti:

    1. Four teams plays a tournament in a way that every team plays agains every other team twice, so every team plays six matches. In every match, the result can be draw, home team wins or away team wins. Winner gets three points, loser zero and draw means that both teams are awargeg by one point. Among these four teams two of them who get the most points goes to the next round of the tournament. If points are equal, an allotment decides which teams goes to the next round.

    What is the minimal number of points a team can go to the next round?

    How many points a team must get to make sure that they will go to the next round?

    2. Here YPL means Yrjon Pitsa ja Laatta. The question goes as follows:

    How many pizzas Yrjon Pitsa ja Laatta should sell annually if the company's operational profit would be the same as an average wage-earner's annual salary 36000 euro?

    3. Kari has three children and the product of the children ages is 455. What are the ages of the children?

    Thank for your translation.

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  • Tournament kirjoitti:

    1. May be more clear as follows:
    What is the minimum number of points a team needs to have a chance to go to the next round (answer obviously 6 points)
    What is a minimum number of points a team needs to be sure to go to the next round (answer obviously 13 points)

    Thanks, Tournament.

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  • Tournament kirjoitti:

    1. May be more clear as follows:
    What is the minimum number of points a team needs to have a chance to go to the next round (answer obviously 6 points)
    What is a minimum number of points a team needs to be sure to go to the next round (answer obviously 13 points)

    I don't get such result.
    I get 4 is the minimum number of points and 9 is the safe number of points.

    My solution as follows:

    Call the number of points that the 1st team gets as A
    The number of points that the 2nd team gets as B
    The number of points that the 3rd team gets as C
    The number of points that the 4th team gets as D

    So: A B C D = 24 and 12 ≤ A,B,C,D ≤ 0 and A, B, C, D ∈ N*.

    Let A=1 ----> B C D= 23. Only one possibility that a team can move to the next round with 1 point occurs when: 1 1 21 = 23. However 21>12 ---> this can't happen.

    Let A=2 ---> B C D = 22. Only one possibility that a team can move to the next round with 2 points occurs when: 2 2 18=22. However 18>12 ---> this can't happen.

    ..............................

    Let A=4 ----> B C D = 20. Only one possibility that a team can move to the next round with 4 points happens when: 4 4 12 = 20 and 12=12 so this possibility satisfies the initial condition ---> the minimum number of points that a team needs to get a chance to go to the next round is 4. When this happens, there will be 3 teams with the same score of 4 and 1 team with a score of 12. The 3 teams with 4 points will be chosen randomly so that only one will go to the next round together with the team has 12 points.
    But this is a very remote possibility.

    Let A=5 -----> B C D = 19 -----> several possibilities can occur, such as: 5 5 9=19; 5 6 8=19; 5 7 7=19 -----> 5 points is not safe.

    ................................
    ...............................

    Let A = 8 -----> B C D = 16 -----> several possibilities can happen, such as: 8 8 0 =16, 9 7 0=16, 8 7 1 =16 -----> 8 points is not safe as one possibility that 3 teams with the same scores of 8 and 1 team with a score of 0 can occur. One of 3 teams having 8 points is guaranteed to be eliminated during the random selection procedure. Therefore having 8 points is not safe.

    Let A=9 -----> B C D = 15 -----> several possibilities can happen, such as: 9 6 0=15; 8 7 0=15; 10 4 1 = 15 ect. -----> 9 points is a safe number of points to go to the next round because once a team gets 9 points, the highest points that one of the other three teams can get is either 9 or 10 or 11 or 12. This means that the team has 9 points and the team with the highest points among the rest will move to the next round.

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  • You must remember that the winner gets three points. The theorethical minimum of points is obtained if one of the teams wins all the matches getting 18 points and other three play mutually even getting four points each (so you are right). Concerning the safe number of points, we can assume that one team loses all the matches and other three win four matches and lose two, so they each get 12 points. This is not the safe number of points because one of the teams lose in lottery for going to the next round. So 13 points is the safe number of points.

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  • Tournament kirjoitti:

    You must remember that the winner gets three points. The theorethical minimum of points is obtained if one of the teams wins all the matches getting 18 points and other three play mutually even getting four points each (so you are right). Concerning the safe number of points, we can assume that one team loses all the matches and other three win four matches and lose two, so they each get 12 points. This is not the safe number of points because one of the teams lose in lottery for going to the next round. So 13 points is the safe number of points.

    Oh ! I was mistaken that 2 points for a win, 1 points for a draw. I'll recalcuate.

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  • Tournament kirjoitti:

    You must remember that the winner gets three points. The theorethical minimum of points is obtained if one of the teams wins all the matches getting 18 points and other three play mutually even getting four points each (so you are right). Concerning the safe number of points, we can assume that one team loses all the matches and other three win four matches and lose two, so they each get 12 points. This is not the safe number of points because one of the teams lose in lottery for going to the next round. So 13 points is the safe number of points.

    Yes. You are spot on. With 4 points, a team might get a chance to move to the next round like this following table illustrates: http://postimg.org/image/44a6w34fx/
    However this is a remote possibility.
    The safe number of points is 13 because two of the other three teams cannot simultaneously and independently score greater than 13 points.
    Thanks

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Number 1. What is the minimum points for a team to be qualified ?

First suppose all 12 matches break even. In that case each team gets 6 points. If one team wins one match instead of break even, it will qualifiy with 8 points.

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  • Ei noin. Jos yksi joukkue voittaa kaikki matsinsa, saa se kaikkiaan 18 pistettä. Jos muut pelaavat keskinäiset matsinsa tasan, saavat ne kukin 4 pistettä. Yksi niistä pääsee arvonnalla jatkoon. Teoreettinen minimi on siis 4 pistettä.

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  • Hups, jatkoon pääsijöitä olikin kaksi joukkuetta, eikä yksi. Sori, en lukenut tehtävää kunnolla.

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Number 1. What is the ensured point to get in the shortlist ?
Suppose teams A and B always win teams C and D. Both get 12 points from those matches.
They play twice against each others. To qualify, it is sufficient to get one win and one draw. So 16 points is safe.

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  • Ei noin. Jos yksi joukkue häviää kaikki matsinsa ja muut voittavat/häviävät keskinäiset ottelunsa ristiin, päätyvät nuo kaikki kolme 12 pisteeseen. Silloin yksi putoaa arvonnassa. 13 pisteellä pääsee jatkoon kaikissa tilanteissa.

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  • Hups, jatkoon pääsijöitä olikin kaksi joukkuetta, eikä yksi.

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Ketjusta on poistettu 1 sääntöjenvastainen viesti.

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stephenranger kirjoitti:

1.
neljä joukkuetta pelaavat turnauksen siten, että kaikki joukkueet pelaavat toisiaan vastaan kahdesti eli jokaiselle joukkueelle tulee näin kuusi ottelua. Ottelu voi päättyä kumman tahansa voittoon tai tasan. Voittaja saa kolme pistettä, häviäjä nolla ja tasapelistä kumpikin saa yhden pisteen. Näistä neljästä joukkueesta kaksi eniten pisteitä saanutta joukkuetta pääsee turnauksesta jatkoon. Jos pisteet ovat tasan, arvotaan jatkoonpääsy.

Mikä on minimipistemäärä millä voi päästä jatkoon ?

Millä pistemäärällä jatkoon pääsy on varmaa ?

2.
Yrjön Pitsa ja Laatta(YPL) on laskenut tarkkaan yrityksen vuosimenot myytyjen pitsojen määrän funktiona: M(x) = 6000 2,80x. M on euroina ja x on myytyjen pitsojen kappalemäärä. Tulot wositasolla ovat: I(x) =7,80x. Kuten ehkä voi päätellä ruokalista YPL:lIä on varsin kapea ja kaikki pitsat ovat hinnaltaan samoja siis 7,80 euroa kappale.

-Kuinka monta pitsaa YPL:n tulee vuosittain myydä, jotta tulot kattavat menot (M:T)?

-Kuinka monta pitsaa vuosittain tulee myydä, jotta YPL:n voitto olisi keskimääräinen palkansaajan vuosipalkka 36000 euroa?

3.
-karilla on kolme lasta, joiden ikien tulo on 455. Minkä ikäisiä lapset ovat?

-Leila on 23-vuotias ja hänellä on 3 nuorempaa sisarusta, joiden ikien tulo on 132. Minkä ikäisiä Leilan sisarukset ovat? (Esitä kaikki ratkaisut)

4.
Ns. metsäkuivan polttopuun lämpöarvo on noin 8,0 GJ/m3. Energialaitoksella puu hinnoitellaan energiasisällön mukaan ja 1,0 MWh maksaa noin 19 euroa. Mikä on näistä arvoista laskettu kuutiohinta?

5.
Henkilöauton massa on 1000 kg. Kuinka suurella vakio työntövoimalla se saadaan kiihdyettyä nopeudesta 0 m/s (lepotilasta) nopeuteen 10 m/s 4,0 sekunnissa? Kitkaa ja ilmanvastusta ei huomioida. Tie on vaakasuora.

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Hi. The above are what I've tried to translate to English so that I can solve them as I don't know Finnish-Suomi. I've been practicing mathematics and physics in preparation for the university entrance examination in Finland which is in English. Therefore I've collected exam samples of previous years however they are all in Finnish. So I must translate them all to English in order to solve them.
The following are the above problems translated into English using several translation engines: Google, Babylon, Microsoft etc. But I still don't undertand the questions as translation imperfection of the translation engines.
Please help me with translation. Thanks.
1.
Four teams play so that all the teams will play twice against each other, in other words that to every team six matches will come this way, a tournament. This game can end in either victory or a draw. The winner gets three points, the loser gets zero and both get one point from the draw. Chosen from four teams, two teams that get most points will get to the next round of the tournament. If the points are the same (resulted from draw matches), the shortlist will be chosen randomly.
What is the minimum points for a team to be qualified ?
What is the ensured point to get in the shortlist ?
2.
Yrjon Pitsa and Laatta (YPL) have counted the annual expenses of the company carefully as a function of the number of the sold pizzas: M(x) = 6000 2,80x. M is in euros and x is the number of pieces of sold pizzas. The annual income level is: T (x) = 7, 80 x. As may be inferred from the menu YPL has a quite narrow, and all pizzas are priced the same, therefore, of EUR 7.80 each.
- How many pizza YPL:n will be sold each year, so that revenues cover costs (M = T)?
-how many pizzas have to be sold every year so that the profit of YPL:n would be the average annual salary of its workers of 36000 euros ?
3.
on the rocks there are three children the product of their ages is 455. How old are the children?
Leila is 23 years old and she has 3 younger sisters the product of their ages is 132. How old are Leila's siblings? (Present all the solutions).
4.
The heat value of so-called forest dry firewood is about 8,0 GJ/m3. At Engergy Department the tree is priced according to the energy content and 1,0 MWh costs about 19 euros. What is the price/m3 calculated from these values?
5.
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Please help me to correct my translations and translate the 5th problem.

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