jos jumala on olemassa niin?

Onhan perkele ja saatana ynnä muut tuhannet jumalat jumalia joitten tahdon ja halun määrän voi mitata kaikista niistä sanoista ja sanomista jotka ovat muuttunueet aikojen saatossa teoiksi heidän palvojien toimesta. Ihmisen ahneus on kuitenkin monen kärsimyksen taustalla ja tietenkin monimuotoinen luonto, jossa pätee omat lakinsa.

sairauksien, kuoleman ja kurjuuden olemassaolo todistaisi, ettei Jumalaa ole?

Jumala on antanut ihmisille vapauden valita.Monesti ihmiset tekevät huonoja ja ajattelemattomia päätöksiä,joilla on sitten paljon huonoja vaikutuksia ja seurauksia.

Millainen maailman sitten pitäisi olla, jotta se todistaisi Jumalasta? Minulle luomakunta jo sinällään todistaa Jumalasta ja Hänen hyvyydestään. Maailmassa on pahaa, mutta on paljon hyvääkin. Jos eläisimme jo nyt paratiisissa, uskoisitteko silloin Herraan ja hänen hyvyyteensä?

Mutta koska emme elä paratiisissa, vaan synnin turmelemassa maailmassa, Jumala antoi meille Jeesuksen, johon voimme turvata. Jeesus peittää täydellisen Jumalan ja syntiin langenneen maailman välisen erottavan kuilun. Ilman Jeesusta olisimme kadotettuja.

Luomakunta on hyvä, mutta ei täydellinen. Vain Jumala on täydellinen. Pahuus on hyvyyden turmeltumista. Pahuuden perimmäinen syy on syntiinlankeemuksessa, ei Jumalassa. Ihmistä Jumala ei luonut täydelliseksi, mutta silti olemukseltaan hyväksi, siis itsensä kaltaiseksi. Ihminen sai myös tahdonvapauden, joka sekin turmeltui syntiinlankeemuksessa.

Voidaan kysyä, eikö Jumala epäonnistunut luodessaan ihmisen, joka lankeaa syntiin, ja eikö Hän kaikkitietävänä tiennyt se jne.

Mielenkiintoisia kysymyksiä, mutta lopulta tarpeettomia. Jumalaa emme koskaan voi järjellämme tavoittaa. Onneksi ei tarvitsekaan. Kiitos Herralle Jeesukselle.

meille on kaikkein tärkeintä saada ruumis. Elämä on pieni osa iankaikkiuutta ja sen joudumme elämään kaikenlaisissa koettelemuksissa ja Saatanan rusikoitavana jotta oppisimme valitsemaan Jumalan tahdon mukaisesti hyvän. Tämän elämän joudumme elämään erossa Jumalasta. Jos olisimme yhteydessä Jumalaan joka kertoisi meille koko ajan mitä olisi tehtävä ei vapaa tahtomme tulisi ilmi.
Kenen syy on 60% köyhyydessä elämionen... Jumalanko?? Hänhän ei voi puuttua asioiden kulkuun tietääkseen mitä me sisimmässämme haluamme. On meidän oma virheemme, kun emme pysty/ halua paremmin jakaa omaisuuttamme! Jos kaikki jakaisivat omaisuudestaan olisi köyhyys tuntematonta.
Joskus tulevaisuudessa pystymme siihen, mutta emme vielä uesa ihminen on vielä liian omistamis haluinen.

Niin tässäon erinomainen kirjoitus:


A puzzling dilemma has been placed before me, and I am struggling to analyze it logically: On what do humans base their belief about God, whether that belief is that God exists or does not exist? Many individuals are happy to deny the existence of a God, because their lifestyles are such that they fervently hope there is, indeed, no God who can and will hold them accountable, eventually. This is simple self interest and I see no reason to address it... so long as I am not forced to suffer from the activities of those who make this choice. Ah! But therein lies the rub, as we shall see:

Many make the decision that there is no God based on the pain humans suffer from sickness, natural disasters, wars, etc. I heard one man say,

"I believed in God until I went to fight in Vietnam, but I could never worship a God who would permit such suffering as I both observed and experienced in that country."
I was left wondering whether he meant he had decided God didn't exist, or whether he was so enraged by the pain of his observations and personal experiences, that he refused to worship, as his God, any Supreme Being who would allow such suffering.

It is logical to some that if a compassionate God actually does exist, it is to be expected that He would automatically step in to alleviate the suffering of a starving child who has been deserted by one or both of his parents; and since He doesn't, at least not in the manner they expect, He must not exist. We experience outrage when we see orphanages in war-torn countries bulging with children, many of whom are outcasts, because they are national halfbreeds, fathered by soldiers from another nation.

Some reason that a compassionate God would never tolerate such "man's inhumanity to man," and if He doesn't care enough about the people on this earth to stop such outrages, they see no reason why they should worship Him. I am not sure such people deny the existence of God, as much as they are so angry with Him that they reject Him, personally.

Being forced to watch the suffering of innocent people causes distress to all decent humans, and well it should. Seeing a starving child causes observers terrible pain, and again, well it should. We hate the discomfort we experience when we see such things; and that is right and good. That discomfort makes us take action, whenever and wherever possible, which is what it is supposed to do.

But what about our own actions that harm others but don't make us at all uncomfortable, because they are fun? Do we want Him to stop those too? Where do we want Him to draw the line? Should He step in and stop people from having sex, if He knows that a child will be born, and then deserted, as a result of it? And how should He go about stopping such activities? Or do we want Him to stop others from having sex under those circumstances, but not us? After all, most of us really don't want Him to interfere with our own fun.

Is that really what we demand of a God? To keep us comfortable? Are we so naive as to suppose that we can create the parameters within which God must act? And when He refuses to fall in with our infantile plans, making us angry with Him, do we actually suppose that we have the power to make Him cease to exist, just by declaring that we don't believe in Him?

It seems to me that we want a God who will allow us to have as much irresponsible fun as we want, who will allow us to indulge in behavior that creates situations destined to cause others pain, but we want to be able to insist that He stop that pain before it makes us feel bad. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

In the South they have some hilarious, though pungent expressions, one of which is, "You don't have the sense God gave lettuce!" I think that is probably most apropos under these circumstances, because when this curious thinking is extrapolated to apply to the whole of humanity, it makes for a fascinating, though absolutely ridiculous, concept. It would permit despots to behave as viciously, as abominably as they might choose, but, magically, their subjects would be relieved of the suffering that would otherwise be a natural result of such behavior. It would mean that Idi Amin still would have been permitted to slaughter as many people as he chose (And he did choose!), but his victims would have suffered no harm.

That's a whole new concept!

Let's apply it to Bloody Mary, King Henry the Eighth's eldest daughter. She hanged anyone she considered a heretic. Actually, she hanged just about anyone she could get her hands on, and she got her hands on an astonishing number of people. She not only had them hanged; they were hanged in chains, and their bodies left to rot, as a warning to others who might have it in their minds to cross her.

I don't think we can classify her actions as irresponsible fun, because by all accounts, Mary wasn't much on having fun. But if we apply the concept of God's not interfering with the activities of No.1 (Mary), then dutifully stepping in to nullify the effects of those activities on No. 2 (her suffering subjects), we create a dilemma. How could Mary be permitted to hang her not too loyal subjects all over the place, which gave her some sort of perverse satisfaction, if God were to step in and save those subjects from being hanged. How could He arrange to permit Mary to experience the satisfaction she wanted to experience and still keep her subjects from suffering pain?

Those of us who think this is how it should be, don't want a God; we want a fairy with a magic wand. If we really do have the sense God gave lettuce, we must realize that He is not ours to command. We have no control over whether He does or does not exist, as we will one day discover, whether to our joy or our chagrin. Each of us may decide what he does or does not believe, but surely we must see that our personal beliefs have no power to affect reality.

Ystävälläni oli vaikeasti kehitysvammainen poika,
joka oli kannettava, syötettävä, pestävä. Ei puhunut, ei ottanut paljoakaan kontaktia toisiin.
Hän eli yksitoista vuottaan täysin perheensäavun varassa.
Mustan kuinka kerran kysyin Jumalalta, miksi näin.(Oma terve tyttäreni oli samanikäinen)
Jumala vastasi: "Kehitysvammainen lapsi on siunaus perheelleen ja suvulleen."
Ja niin oli, tuon Lauri-pojan kautta perhe sai
nopeasti reilussa kymmensssä vuodessa paljon rakkautta, jonka saavuttamiseen normaalilla sukupolvikiertokululla olisi saattanut kulua
useampikin sukupolvi.
Ja toisekseen: Lauri on varmasti taivaassa.
Kuinka moni meistä muista vanhemmista voi sanoa,
että lapsemme on varmasti taivaassa!

Ihmisen ajatukset ovat ihmisen ajatuksia,
Jumalan ajatukset ovat Jumalan ajatuksia.

Se pahuuskin on olemassa, joka sotkee sitä upeaa visiota täydellisestä maailmasta. Jumalalla on omat tarkoituksensa elämän huonoista puolista.

Maistuisko jälkiruoka yhtä hyvälle, jos söisit sitä joka aterialla?