Uunituore päivitys Ruotsalaisen lääkäri Dahlqvistin sivustolla:
"I Nyhetskanalen.se finns en artikel om en studie som sägs visa att rött kött orsakar cancer.
Andreas har tittat på studien och skriver i kommentar i sin blogg att de män som åt mera rött kött även hade högre vikt, rökte mera etc.
Man kan undra om dessa män kanske åt mera hambugare med strips. Kanske var det frityroljan, solrosolja, som ökade cancerrisken?
Man kan inte dra slutsatser om orsakssamband av en sådan studie. Den kan bara ge upphov till hypoteser som sedan får testas i kontrollerade jämförande studier med så få variabler som möjligt. Tex jämförelse mellan rött kött och kyckling, fisk eller veg protein. Jämförelse mellan solrosolja, olivolja, margarin och smör, som exempel på forskningsupplägg. De måste göra riktiga studier som håller, och sluta med sina observationsstudier som inte ger bevis. Slöseri med skattepengar och tid."
Tutkimusten täytyy olla kunnollisia ja samalla luopua havainnosita joilla ei ole todistusarvoa!
Eli verorahojen ja ajan tuhlausta!
Mutta hei, uskokaa mitä haluatte, joulukpukki ei edelleenkään ole totta!
"I Nyhetskanalen.se finns en artikel om en studie som sägs visa att rött kött orsakar cancer.
Andreas har tittat på studien och skriver i kommentar i sin blogg att de män som åt mera rött kött även hade högre vikt, rökte mera etc.
Man kan undra om dessa män kanske åt mera hambugare med strips. Kanske var det frityroljan, solrosolja, som ökade cancerrisken?
Man kan inte dra slutsatser om orsakssamband av en sådan studie. Den kan bara ge upphov till hypoteser som sedan får testas i kontrollerade jämförande studier med så få variabler som möjligt. Tex jämförelse mellan rött kött och kyckling, fisk eller veg protein. Jämförelse mellan solrosolja, olivolja, margarin och smör, som exempel på forskningsupplägg. De måste göra riktiga studier som håller, och sluta med sina observationsstudier som inte ger bevis. Slöseri med skattepengar och tid."
Tutkimusten täytyy olla kunnollisia ja samalla luopua havainnosita joilla ei ole todistusarvoa!
Eli verorahojen ja ajan tuhlausta!
Mutta hei, uskokaa mitä haluatte, joulukpukki ei edelleenkään ole totta!
Vastaukset 6
Vanhimmat
muutaman vhh-lääkärin kommentit. Varmasti löytyy paljon enemmänkin muidenkin lääkäreiden kommentteja, kun vhh on niiiin hyvä ja hieno juttu? vai mitä? Aina kun täällä perustellaan asioita, niin ne perustuvat Heikkilän tai tuon ruotsalaisen sanomaan, mitähän siitäkin voisi päätellä...
muutokset tapahtuvat hitaasti, mutta ne kuitenkin tapahtuvat. Jostainhan se on aloitettava. Ei Roomaakaan rakennettu päivässä, eikä se myös päivässä tuhoutunut. Sielläkin elintaso rappeutti ihmiset ja kihti yms. jylläsi. Vähän kuin nykyään hiilarit aiheuttavat diabetestä ja rappeuttavat ihmistä.
Ota mielummin kantaa näihin kommentteihin ja aiheelliseen kritiikkiin. Jos uskallat!
ja tutkijoita.
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1. Allan, Christian PhD, Director of Manufacturing, Formulation and Analytical RegeneRx Biopharmaceuticals, 3 Bethesda Metro Center, Suite 630, Bethesda , MD 20814, USA.
2. Arfors, Karl-E; MD, PhD, Professor (microcirculation), previously Sidney Kimmel Cancer Center. La Jolla, Ca USA; present working place: Karolinska Institute; private: Hornsgatan 53, S-11849 Stockholm, Sweden.
3. Atrens, Dale; MD PhD, Research Scholar, River Centre Clinic, Sylvania, Ohio, USA; Reader Emeritus in Psychobiology, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia.
4. Berger, Michael; MD, Professor (internal medicine). Germany. Deceased. Obituary.
5. Bondarenko Igor G., MD, PhD, Nutritional/Clinical Biochemistry, CHYDENIUS Clinic, 00100 Helsinki Finland.
6. Borgers, Dieter; MD PhD, Professor Abteilung für Allgemeinmedizin, Universitätsklinikum Düsseldorf, Moorenstraße 5, 40225 Düsseldorf, Germany.
7. Broneer, Eric; MD, 91 Boulevard Chave, 13005 Marseille, France
8. Brownstein, David; MD, Medical Director, Center for Holistic Medicine, 5821 W. Maple Rd. Ste. 192, West Bloomfield, MI 48323, USA. Homepage
9. Byrnes, Stephen; PhD, RNCP, Deceased.
10. Clayton, Tom; MD 15 Mirror Ridge Drive, The Woodlands, Texas 77382
11. Dahlgren, Bertil; MD, BSc (Chemistry), specialist in rehabilitation and occupational medicine, ABC Livshälsan, Fjällgatan 23A, S-116 28 Stockholm, Sweden. Homepage
12. Davies, Hywel; MA, DM (Oxon), FRCP (Lond), FACP, FACC. Previously Assoc. Professor, University of Colorado; Chief of Cardiology, Denver VA Hospital; Senior Lecturer and Hon. Consultant physician at Guy’s Hospital, London, UK. Present address: Rue de Condémines 9, CH-1950 Sion, Switzerland.
13. de Groot, Paul; MD; PhD. Clinical cardiologist (retired), Medisch Centrum Haaglanden, Den Haag/Leidschendam. Present address: Wijkselaan 6. 2554GE Den Haag. Netherlands.
14. de Lorgeril, Michel, MD, Research Director at Centre National de la Reserche Scientifique (CNRS), Faculté de Médecine, Domaine de la Merci, Université de Grenoble, 38706 La Tronche Cedex, FRANCE. Homepage
15. Deutsch, Marshall E; PhD, 41 Concord Road, Sudbury, MA 01776-2328,USA.
16. Devroey, Edmund, MD. Retired Ob-Gyn/ Researcher, The Longevity Institute. Homepage
17. Dobromylskyj, Petro, BSc BVetMed DVA DiplECVA MRCVS, General Practitioner/VeterinaryAnaesthetist, Moor Cottage Veterinary Hospital Berkshire RG42 4AA, UK. Homepage
18. DuPont, Jason; MD, occupational medicine physician, 127 W. Wood Dr., Phoenix, 85029 Arizona, USA
19. Eckerly, Jean Ruth, MD, specialist in internal medicine, 13911 Ridgedale Drive, Minnetonka, Minnesota 55305
20. Ellison, Shane; BS, MSc, independent researcher. Consultant to the Nutritional Supplement Industry. Inventor of Safe Test Certification. Previously Organic Chemistry Industrial Research Chemist at Array Biopharma Inc. 3600 Cerrillos Dr. #714C-802, Santa Fe, NM 87507, USA.
21. Enig, Mary; PhD, Nutritional Sciences Division, Enig Associates, Inc., 12501 Prosperity Drive, Suite 340, Silver Spring, MD 20904, USA.
22. Enkvist, Christer; MD, PhD, County Council Senior Surgeon, Regionens hus, S-462 80 Vänersborg, Sweden.
23. Freedland, Eric S; MD, Consulting Editor, Metabolic Syndrome and Related Disorders, 5 Bessom Street, No. 318, Marblehead, MA 01945, USA.
24. Graveline, Duane; MD, former NASA Astronaut, USAF Flight Surgeon, Space Medicine Research Scientist, Family Doctor. 4414 Cormorant Ln., Merritt Island, FL 32953 Homepage Interview
25. Grill, Jeffrey A. M.D., FCCP, FATC. The Legend, 6735 East Greenway Parkway, Bldg 32, Unit 2113, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254, USA.
26. Groves, Barry PhD (nutritional science), independent researcher, United Kingdom. Homepage
27. Halleen, Jussi; PhD, Adjunct Professor (University of Oulu), C.E.O., Pharmatest Services Ltd (www.pharmatest.fi), Itäinen Pitkäkatu 4C, 20520 Turku, Finland.
28. Hallstensen, Kenn, engineer; Ekebergåsen 8, 1900 Fetsund, Norway.
29. Hammarskjöld, Björn; MD, PhD, specialist in pediatrics, Vika 3273, S-792 91 Mora, Sweden
30. Hegde, Belle Monappa MD, Professor (cardiology), Former Vice-Chancellor of Manipal Academy of Higher Education, India. Homepage
31. Holmbäck, Ulf; PhD. Department of Medical Sciences, Clinical Chemistry, University Hospital, S-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden
32. Holmqvist, Charlotte, MD, General Surgeon; Chief, Bergshamra Beteendemedicinska Mottagning, Rörmossevägen 12,PL 2070A,76010 Bergshamra, Sweden.
33. Kauffman, Joel; Professor of Chemistry Emeritus, Department of Chemistry & Biochemistry, University of the Sciences in Philadelphia, 600 S. 43rd St., Phila., PA, 19104-4495 USA. Homepage
34. Kendrick, Malcolm; MbChB, MRCGP. Medical Director; Adelphi Lifelong Learning. Adelphi Mill, Bollington, Macclesfield, Cheshire SK10 5JB, United Kingdom. Essays
35. Kjellevand, Tor Ole; MD, Consultant, Department of Cardiology, Rikshospitalet, University Hospital. 0027 Oslo, Norway.
36. Klevay, Leslie M.; MD, SD (Hyg.), Professor (internal medicine), Dept. of Pharmacology,
Physiology and Therapeutics, University of North Dakota, a consultant to the United States Pharmacopeia and the WHO. PO Box 9037, Grand Forks, North Dakota, 58202, USA.
37. Krut, Louis H., MD, ChB, Adjunct Professor (Internal Medicine; Endocrine division) St. Mary´s Health Center, St. Louis University, St. Louis, Missouri, USA.
38. Landau, William, MD, Professor (neurology), Washington University School of Medicine, Campus Box 8111, 660 S. Euclid, St. Louis, MO 63110 USA. Homepage
39. Langsjoen, Alena; MSc, Research in Biomedical Aspects of Coenzyme Q10, 1107 Doctors Dr., Tyler, Texas 75701, USA.
40. Langsjoen, Peter; MD, FACC, Cardiovascular Diseases & Research in Biomedical Aspects of Coenzyme Q10 Executive and Scientific Committees of the International CoQ10 Association, 1107 Doctors Dr., Tyler, Texas 75701, USA.
41. Langweiler, Mark J.; DC, DAAPM, DACFM, co-Director of Integrated Services at Atlantic Hematology Oncology Group, 415 S. Chris Gaup Drive, Galloway, NJ 08234, USA
42. Lapides, Jeffrey R; PhD, 303 Epping Way, Annapolis, MD 21401, USA
43. Lindseth, Inge Andreas; BSc (Nutritional Sciences), Stortorvet 5, N-0155 Oslo, Norway
44. Mascitelli, Luca; MD, specialist in Cardiology and Sports Medicine; Lieutenant Colonel, Chief of Sanitary Service, Comando Brigata alpina "Julia", Italian Army, 8 Via S. Agostino, Udine 33100, Italy.
45. McCormick, James J; MD, Professor (general medicine), Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland. Deceased.
46. McCully, Kilmer S; MD Chief, Pathology & Laboratory Medicine, Veterans Affairs, Medical Center, VA Boston Healthcare System, 1400 Veterans of Foreign Wars Parkway, West Roxbury, Massachusetts 02132 USA. Interview,
47. McGee, Charles T, MD, retired/independent researcher, 2385 W. Bolivar Ave, Coeur d'Alene ID 83815 USA.
48. Mermer, Cory; BSc, Independent Medical Writer/Researcher, Westfield, New Jersey, USA.
49. Mysterud, Iver; MSc, Division of Zoology, Department of Biology, University of Oslo, P.O. Box 1050 Blindern, N-0316, Oslo, Norway
50. Nehrlich, Herbert DC, PhD, GDip Cl Nutr, DNBCE, private practice Clinical Nutrition, Sports Medicine and Exercise Physiology 8 Casuarina Street, Bribie Island, Queensland, Australia 4507
51. Neibauer, Alan; MGA Wharton, Foundation for Thymic Cancer Research.
52. Neibauer, Barbara; C. M. Ed., MT(ASCP), Foundation for Thymic Cancer Research.
53. Okuyama, Harumi; PhD, Professor, Kinjo Gakuin University College of Pharmacy, Laboratory of Preventive Nutraceutical Science, 2-1723 Omori, Moriyamaku, Nagoya 463-852, Japan.
54. Orient, Jane; MD, Professor of Clinical Medicine, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine; Clinical Lecturer in Medicine, University of Arizona College of Medicine; Tucson, Arizona; USA.
55. Ottoboni, Alice; PhD, PO Box 50704, Sparks, NV 89435, USA.
56. Ottoboni, Fred; MPH, PhD, PO Box 50704, Sparks, NV 89435, USA.
57. Poleszynski, Dag Viljen; MSc, PhD, former professor at Harstad College, Harstad, Norway (Diet, nutrition and orthomolecular medicine), scientific editor of Mat&Helse (Food and Health)
58. Ravnskov, Uffe; MD, PhD, spokesman for THINCS, specialist in internal medicine and nephrology, independent researcher, Magle Stora Kyrkogata 9, S-22350 Lund, Sweden. Homepage,
59. Rosch, Paul; MD, FACP, Clinical Professor of Medicine and Psychiatry, New York Medical College, President, The American Institute of Stress, Honorary Vice President, International Stress Management Association, 124 Park Ave.Yonkers, NY 10703, USA.
60. Rosenman, Ray; MD, Associate Chief of Medicine and Associate Chief of Harold Brunn Institute for Cardiovascular Research, Mount Zion Hospital and Medical Center (ret.), San Francisco; Director of Cardiovascular Research, Health Sciences Program (ret.), SRI International, Menlo Park, CA; Honorary Staff, Mount Zion Hospital and Medical Center of UCSF, San Francisco, CA., 2200 Pacific Avenue #8D, San Francisco, CA 94115-1433, USA.
61. Shanahan, Catey; MD, Kalaheo Clinic, 4489 Papalina Dr., POB 520, Kalaheo, Hawaii 96741, USA
62. Sieber, Robert; PhD, Federal Dairy Research Station, Schwarzenburgstr. 161, Liebefeld, CH-3003 Berne, Switzerland.
63. Sikorski, Bogdan; PhD; Toxicologist, Canberra, Australia
64. Standal, Nils; Dr. Agric, Professor of Animal Sciences (emer.), Department of Animal and Agricultural Sciences, Norwegian University of Life Sciences, Ås, Norway.
65. Sturman, Martin; MD, FACP, President, Mathemedics, Formerly Visiting Investigator, Rockefeller Institute (fat metabolism), Clinical practice of internal medicine and endocrinology. Former Director of Nuclear Medicine, Newark, New Jersey. Inc. 923 Winding Lane, Media, PA 19063, USA. Easy Diagnosis, Medical Controversies,
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67. Sundberg, Ralf , MD, M.Sc.Pharm, PhD. Attending Surgeon, Slottstadens Läkarhus, Malmö: private address:Bodilsgatan 6, S-217 74 Malmö, Sweden.
68. Sutter, Morley C; MD, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Department of Pharmacology & Therapeutics, Faculty of Medicine, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, BC, Canada.
69. Tõnisson, Will MD, PhD. Hearing Solutions, 87 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane Qld 4000 Australia. Homepage
70. Vagn-Hansen, Carsten, MD, specialist in general medicine, medical journalist, radio- and television doctor. Knabberupsvej 40, DK-7100 Vejle, Denmark.
71. Wainwright, Glyn; MSc, MBCS, CEng, CITP, IT Consultancy; 75 Carr Bridge Drive, Leeds, UK. Homepage
72. Walker, Jacqueline; PhD; lecturer, Department of Electronic & Computer Engineering, University of Limerick, Ireland.
73. Veiersted, Jens; civil engineer, Nutritional Therapist, dip ION, ,Arena Medical Centre, Sognsveien 75 A, Oslo, Norway
74. Werkö, Lars; MD, PhD, Professor (internal medicine), former head of the Department of Medicine, Sahlgren’s Hospital, Gothenburg; former scientific director at Astra Company; and former head of Swedish Council on Technology Assessment in Health Care, Stockholm, Sweden.
75. Vesti-Nielsen, Jørgen MD, Consultant physician, Dept. of Medicine, Blekingesjukhuset, 374 80 Karlshamn, Sweden.
76. Worm, Nicolai; PhD (nutritional science), Maxhöhe 40, D-82335 Berg, Germany. Homepage
77. Vos, Eddie; MEng, engineer, 127 Courser Rd, Glen Sutton (Qc), Canada JOE 2K0, Homepage
78. Vulfsons, Simon; MD. Internist and Primary Care , Macabbi Health Care, Mishol HaSavionim 5c, Carmiel 20142, Israel
79. Zemanek, Rod, BSc; 676 Warraba Rd, The Branch NSW 2425, Australia
80. Åkerfeldt, Torbjörn; MD. Department of Medical Sciences, Nutrition Unit, University Hospital, SE-751 85 Uppsala, Sweden.
mattila ja chenzu, kun koko ajan vastaatte lähes samaan aikaan kysymyksiin vai näpyttelettekö kummatkin koko ajan reload nappia, että pääsette vastaamaan kysymyksiin heti, outoa....suorastaan karmivaa, kun ruoasta tulee tuollainen pakkomielle....
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