Yritys hyvä 10, mutta...
Miten voisi välttää englannintamisen sudenkuopat?
Esimerkiksi seuraavassa tekstikatkelmasssa on [IMO]lukuisia "suomalaisuuksia", jotka [IMHO] jotenkin särähtävät korvaan tai muuten ärsyttävät/raivostuttavat/kavaltavat suomalaisen tekstintuottajan:
>Before the Lapps populated the river basin of
>Iijoki, the area was populated by hunting and
>fishing stoneage people. Many place-names date
>from the Lapps settlement, places like
>Lapinniemi, Puhos and Kollaja.
>
>About a thousand years ago the people of Häme
>came to the river valleys of Iijoki to their
>huntingtrips.
>
>In the 13th century the coast of the northern
>part of the Gulf of Bothnia was populated and the
>area became a hunting area for the coasts'
>inhabitants. The people of Russian Karelia and
>Ostorbothnia used the river Iijoki as a route on
>their trade a nd persecution journeys. The
>waterway with a lot of islands was named
>Pudasjärvi.
>
>In the 1570's a dozen families from the Savo >settled down in the basins of the river Iijoki
>and river Livojoki. They were attracted to the
>area because of the good burn-beaten land.
>
>In 1639 Pudasjärvi became an independent >vicariate.
>
>The 18th century was a time of development after
>the period of Great Hate. The settlement spread
>by the rivers and so were the present main
>villages in Pudasjärvi born.
>In the 19th century the area encountered the
>years of crop failure. People had to eat bread
>which was made of straw and inner bark of trees.
>The population had septupled in 120 years. The
>sparce population gave protection against
>epidemic diseases and the birth rate was high.
>
>In 1865 the municipality of Pudasjärvi was
>founded due to the differentation of the
>congregational and municipal administration .
>
>In 1872 elementary school started in Pudasjärvi. >Because of the vast area and the sparce
>population ambulatory school became necessary.
>The last ambulatory school closed in 1952, it was
>propably the last ambulatory school in Finland.
>In 1972 t he comprehensive school started.
>
>Until the 20th century the population in
>Pudasjärvi earned their living from hunting,
>fishing, reindeer management, agriculture and
>forestry. Pudasjärvi was a significant producer
>of butter and tar.
>
>In the beginnig of the 20th century industry was >mainly home industry. The only industrial
>establishments were the flour mills and sawmills.
>It wasn't until after the wars that small-scale
>industry was developed.
>
>In 1903 the telephonecompany from Oulu (Oulun >Telefooniosakeyhtiö) finished the telephone line
>in Pudasjärvi. There were 18 subscribers.
>
>The times of war were very hard for Pudasjärvi.
>In all 417 men from Pudasjärvi were killed in
>action in the Finnish-Russian war, in the
>Continuation War and in the Lapp War.
>
>In the 1940's began the electrifying.
>Until the 1960's the people of Pudasjärvi were
>employed in the construction of roads and
>bridges. But during the same decade began the
>strong removal, because Pudasjärvi was mostly
>agricultural and forestry region and couldn't
>employ the great age groups.
>
>In 2004 municipality of Pudasjärvi changed its
>name to city of Pudasjärvi.
(teksti kopioitu ilman sarvia ja hampaita joltakin suomaiselta nettisivustolta, nimet mahdollisesti muutettu tai sitten ei...)
Mitkä piirteet tai tunnusmerkit edellä olleessa tekstinäytteessä "paljastavat" suomaisen kääntäjän? Miten voisi välttää tämäntapaiset ongelmat? Millaisen arvosanan antaisitte edellä kuvatun laiselle tekstille?
???
Miten voisi välttää englannintamisen sudenkuopat?
Esimerkiksi seuraavassa tekstikatkelmasssa on [IMO]lukuisia "suomalaisuuksia", jotka [IMHO] jotenkin särähtävät korvaan tai muuten ärsyttävät/raivostuttavat/kavaltavat suomalaisen tekstintuottajan:
>Before the Lapps populated the river basin of
>Iijoki, the area was populated by hunting and
>fishing stoneage people. Many place-names date
>from the Lapps settlement, places like
>Lapinniemi, Puhos and Kollaja.
>
>About a thousand years ago the people of Häme
>came to the river valleys of Iijoki to their
>huntingtrips.
>
>In the 13th century the coast of the northern
>part of the Gulf of Bothnia was populated and the
>area became a hunting area for the coasts'
>inhabitants. The people of Russian Karelia and
>Ostorbothnia used the river Iijoki as a route on
>their trade a nd persecution journeys. The
>waterway with a lot of islands was named
>Pudasjärvi.
>
>In the 1570's a dozen families from the Savo >settled down in the basins of the river Iijoki
>and river Livojoki. They were attracted to the
>area because of the good burn-beaten land.
>
>In 1639 Pudasjärvi became an independent >vicariate.
>
>The 18th century was a time of development after
>the period of Great Hate. The settlement spread
>by the rivers and so were the present main
>villages in Pudasjärvi born.
>In the 19th century the area encountered the
>years of crop failure. People had to eat bread
>which was made of straw and inner bark of trees.
>The population had septupled in 120 years. The
>sparce population gave protection against
>epidemic diseases and the birth rate was high.
>
>In 1865 the municipality of Pudasjärvi was
>founded due to the differentation of the
>congregational and municipal administration .
>
>In 1872 elementary school started in Pudasjärvi. >Because of the vast area and the sparce
>population ambulatory school became necessary.
>The last ambulatory school closed in 1952, it was
>propably the last ambulatory school in Finland.
>In 1972 t he comprehensive school started.
>
>Until the 20th century the population in
>Pudasjärvi earned their living from hunting,
>fishing, reindeer management, agriculture and
>forestry. Pudasjärvi was a significant producer
>of butter and tar.
>
>In the beginnig of the 20th century industry was >mainly home industry. The only industrial
>establishments were the flour mills and sawmills.
>It wasn't until after the wars that small-scale
>industry was developed.
>
>In 1903 the telephonecompany from Oulu (Oulun >Telefooniosakeyhtiö) finished the telephone line
>in Pudasjärvi. There were 18 subscribers.
>
>The times of war were very hard for Pudasjärvi.
>In all 417 men from Pudasjärvi were killed in
>action in the Finnish-Russian war, in the
>Continuation War and in the Lapp War.
>
>In the 1940's began the electrifying.
>Until the 1960's the people of Pudasjärvi were
>employed in the construction of roads and
>bridges. But during the same decade began the
>strong removal, because Pudasjärvi was mostly
>agricultural and forestry region and couldn't
>employ the great age groups.
>
>In 2004 municipality of Pudasjärvi changed its
>name to city of Pudasjärvi.
(teksti kopioitu ilman sarvia ja hampaita joltakin suomaiselta nettisivustolta, nimet mahdollisesti muutettu tai sitten ei...)
Mitkä piirteet tai tunnusmerkit edellä olleessa tekstinäytteessä "paljastavat" suomaisen kääntäjän? Miten voisi välttää tämäntapaiset ongelmat? Millaisen arvosanan antaisitte edellä kuvatun laiselle tekstille?
???
Vastaukset 3
Vanhimmat
Asialla näköjään vaihto-oppilaana/jenkkien kaverina olemalla kannuksensa ansainnut kääntäjä (lainausmerkit voi laittaa mieleiseensä kohtaan). Tätä näkee liikaa.
Sudenkuoppia ei voi välttää muulla keinoin kuin oppimalla kummankin työkielensä kunnolla. Opiskeluhan ei kuitenkaan takaa oppimista...
Tuohan on suomalaisen tekemäksi englanninnokseksi jopa hyvä. Useimmista lauseista ymmärtää, mitä niillä tarkoitetaan.
Eri asia on, kuka tuollaista lukee. Mutta kaipa kunnassa on laskettu tai arvattu, että joku potentiaalinen turisti saattaa heidän sivuilleen eksyä.
Irvailla voisi kyllä vaikka sille, että sivun http://www.pudasjarvi.fi/english/ mukaan Pudasjärven kaupungissa on melkein 10 asukasta. (Englannin kielessähän 10.000 tarkoittaa kymmentä, koska piste on desimaalierotin, ei tuhaterotin.)
P.S. Sana on "fennismi" (aik. myös "fennisismi"), ei "finnismi". Vai oliko väärinkirjoitus tahallista salaivaa, jossa vihjattiin, että englanninnoksen on tehnyt joku finninaama?
Arvelisin että yksi tyypillinen piirre tälle käännökselle on se, että se noudattaa suomen syntaksia. Kääntäjä on - tietoisesti tai tahtomattaan - noudattanut orjallisesti suomen lauserakenteita ja kääntänyt sitten ne sana sanalta englanniksi.
Tuloksena ei sitten - ymmärrettävää kyllä - ole ollut kovin idiomaattista kieltä.