Al-Aqsan moskeija

Osaat käyttää copy-pastea ja pistää oikein monta linkkiä yhteen viestiin. Koska joku teistä älypäistä voisi vastata itse? Sitä paitsi nuo antamasi linkit eivät todista yhtään mitään muuta kun sen, että islamilaisilla oppineilla on tajuttomia vaikeuksia kohdata tällaisia kysymyksiä, ja kuten heillä on tapana, kun asiaan ei voida argumentein vastata, vaihdetaan johonkin toiseen vastaustapaan (hyökätään itse henkilöä kohtaan tms.).

Tosiaan, harvoin (koskaan?) noissa tänne postitetuissa linkeissä on vahvoja asia-argumentteja oman kannan puolesta. Pelkkää vääntelehtimistä ja sanojen vääntelyä paremman puutteessa.

Parhaat esimerkit ovat juuri nämä:

1)
a) Islamia arvostelevan ihmisen täytyy uskoa yliluonnolliseen/Jumalaan, muuten hän ei voi keskustella islamista
b) Oppinut ja islamia enemmän kuin "rivimuslimi" tunteva henkilö x ei usko yliluonnolliseen/Jumalaan
= henkilö x ei tiedä mistään mitään

2)
a) Oppinut ja islamia enemmän kuin "rivimuslimi" tunteva henkilö x, joka ei osaa arabiaa, esittää liian vaikean kysymyksen vastattavaksi
b) Islamia ei voi ymmärtää jos ei osaa arabiaa
= henkilö x ei tiedä islamista mitään

(mites muuten ne sadattuhannet muslimit jotka eivät myöskään osaa arabiaa...?)

P.S. Toivottavasti sulla on tosi "fallistinen" ja testosteronia uhkuva olo nyt, kun pääsit (=päätit) tytötellä minua... Kertoo muuten aika lailla paljon teidän muslimien suhteesta naisiin....

Dhimmi kirjoitti:

Osaat käyttää copy-pastea ja pistää oikein monta linkkiä yhteen viestiin. Koska joku teistä älypäistä voisi vastata itse? Sitä paitsi nuo antamasi linkit eivät todista yhtään mitään muuta kun sen, että islamilaisilla oppineilla on tajuttomia vaikeuksia kohdata tällaisia kysymyksiä, ja kuten heillä on tapana, kun asiaan ei voida argumentein vastata, vaihdetaan johonkin toiseen vastaustapaan (hyökätään itse henkilöä kohtaan tms.).

Tosiaan, harvoin (koskaan?) noissa tänne postitetuissa linkeissä on vahvoja asia-argumentteja oman kannan puolesta. Pelkkää vääntelehtimistä ja sanojen vääntelyä paremman puutteessa.

Parhaat esimerkit ovat juuri nämä:

1)
a) Islamia arvostelevan ihmisen täytyy uskoa yliluonnolliseen/Jumalaan, muuten hän ei voi keskustella islamista
b) Oppinut ja islamia enemmän kuin "rivimuslimi" tunteva henkilö x ei usko yliluonnolliseen/Jumalaan
= henkilö x ei tiedä mistään mitään

2)
a) Oppinut ja islamia enemmän kuin "rivimuslimi" tunteva henkilö x, joka ei osaa arabiaa, esittää liian vaikean kysymyksen vastattavaksi
b) Islamia ei voi ymmärtää jos ei osaa arabiaa
= henkilö x ei tiedä islamista mitään

(mites muuten ne sadattuhannet muslimit jotka eivät myöskään osaa arabiaa...?)

P.S. Toivottavasti sulla on tosi "fallistinen" ja testosteronia uhkuva olo nyt, kun pääsit (=päätit) tytötellä minua... Kertoo muuten aika lailla paljon teidän muslimien suhteesta naisiin....

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"Kertoo muuten aika lailla paljon teidän muslimien suhteesta naisiin.... "

Niin..itse kyllä olen nainen, enkä ole koskaan saanut yhdeltäkään mieheltä parempaa kohtelua ja kunnioitusta kuin muslimimiehiltä.
Tyypillistä kristittyä ei voi edes verrata muslimiin. ;-)

"Koska joku teistä älypäistä voisi vastata itse?"

Ei koskaan. Sinulle vastaaminen on aivan turhaa, jankkaat aina vain samoja juttuja uudelleen. Sinun esittämiisi kysymyksiin on vastattu useita kertoja, kuka viitsisi käyttää koko vapaa-aikansa selittämällä samoja asioita moneen kertaan.
En jaksa väitellä sinun kanssasi, eikä moni muukaan.
Voit uskoa tai kuvitella aivan mitä tahansa, se ei haittaa minua.
Jos haluat elää valheessa ja levittää valheita, go ahead. Muista kuitenkin että valheella on lyhyet jäljet.

Joka tapauksessa totuus Al-Aqsasta löytyy noista antamistani linkeistä ja tiedän että ymmärrät englantia.Ole hyvä,siellä on monia sivuja.

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/index.htm

http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352728&TOCID=2083225348

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225413

Lisää tietoa kirjoitti:

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/index.htm

http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352728&TOCID=2083225348

http://www.homa.org/default.asp?TOCID=2083225413

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on se , ETTÄ MUHAMMEDIN AIKANA EI JERUSALEMISSA
OLLUT YHTÄÄN MOSKEIJAA.

Palestiina kuului silloin Bysantin alaisuuteen ja temppe-
livuorella oli vain kristittyjen rukouspaikka.
Muslimit valloittivat Jerusalemin v 638 jKr ja
Muhammedhan oli kuollut jo v 632, joten miten
Muhammed olisi voinut käydä al- Aqsa moskeijassa, joka rakennettiin vasta v 710 jKr??????

Muhammedin käynti Jerusalemissa kuuluu niihin
"Tuhannen ja yhden yön" satuihin.

al Aqsasta kirjoitti:

on se , ETTÄ MUHAMMEDIN AIKANA EI JERUSALEMISSA
OLLUT YHTÄÄN MOSKEIJAA.

Palestiina kuului silloin Bysantin alaisuuteen ja temppe-
livuorella oli vain kristittyjen rukouspaikka.
Muslimit valloittivat Jerusalemin v 638 jKr ja
Muhammedhan oli kuollut jo v 632, joten miten
Muhammed olisi voinut käydä al- Aqsa moskeijassa, joka rakennettiin vasta v 710 jKr??????

Muhammedin käynti Jerusalemissa kuuluu niihin
"Tuhannen ja yhden yön" satuihin.

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http://www.jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/muhammad-prayed-at-templemount.htm

"Masjid being derived from the root sa-ja-da (to prostrate), it means "place of prostration". Since a place of worship is a place where believers prostrate to God, "masjid" is a general term to designate any place of worship without any religious distinction. Later, this word was used to designate Islamic places of worship in particular, i.e., the mosques.

Before we close this issue, one should realize that verse 17:1 also speaks of "The Sacred Mosque" which is in Makkah around the Ka'bah. Did a building for the mosque exist there in the time of the Prophet(P)? The answer is that the Ka'bah was there but there was no building for the mosque. This further adds to the argument that the word masjid in this verse refers to a place of performing the prostration and does not imply the presence of a "building" in the modern understanding.

The above understanding of the word masjid as a place of worship not building per se is also well supported by archaeological and historic evidence. Below we present a picture of an early mosque in a place called Besor in Occupied Palestine."

KUVIA:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa1.jpeg
Besor masjid

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa1a.jpeg
Besor mosque: The Qiblah

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa4.jpeg
Mosque at Har Oded facing south-southeast.

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa2.jpeg
Mosque at Be'er Karkom with a rounded southward-facing mihrâb niche.

moskeijan taloa kirjoitti:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/muhammad-prayed-at-templemount.htm

"Masjid being derived from the root sa-ja-da (to prostrate), it means "place of prostration". Since a place of worship is a place where believers prostrate to God, "masjid" is a general term to designate any place of worship without any religious distinction. Later, this word was used to designate Islamic places of worship in particular, i.e., the mosques.

Before we close this issue, one should realize that verse 17:1 also speaks of "The Sacred Mosque" which is in Makkah around the Ka'bah. Did a building for the mosque exist there in the time of the Prophet(P)? The answer is that the Ka'bah was there but there was no building for the mosque. This further adds to the argument that the word masjid in this verse refers to a place of performing the prostration and does not imply the presence of a "building" in the modern understanding.

The above understanding of the word masjid as a place of worship not building per se is also well supported by archaeological and historic evidence. Below we present a picture of an early mosque in a place called Besor in Occupied Palestine."

KUVIA:

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa1.jpeg
Besor masjid

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa1a.jpeg
Besor mosque: The Qiblah

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa4.jpeg
Mosque at Har Oded facing south-southeast.

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/image/aqsa2.jpeg
Mosque at Be'er Karkom with a rounded southward-facing mihrâb niche.

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ei ole mitään siteitä Jerusalemiin.
Jos Masjid on vain paikka, jossa voi ruokoilla,
niin näitä paikkohan on pilvin pimein.
Koska Muhammed ei koskaan käynyt Jerusalemissa, kuten hänen elämänkertansakin todistaa (Ibn Hisham)
niin islamilla ei ole mitään tekemistä Jerusalemissa.
Nuo kivikasat noissa kuvissa EIVÄT OLE JERUSALEMISTA.
Olen niin usein käynyt siellä,että tunnen paikat
erittäin hyvin!

että muslimeilla kirjoitti:

ei ole mitään siteitä Jerusalemiin.
Jos Masjid on vain paikka, jossa voi ruokoilla,
niin näitä paikkohan on pilvin pimein.
Koska Muhammed ei koskaan käynyt Jerusalemissa, kuten hänen elämänkertansakin todistaa (Ibn Hisham)
niin islamilla ei ole mitään tekemistä Jerusalemissa.
Nuo kivikasat noissa kuvissa EIVÄT OLE JERUSALEMISTA.
Olen niin usein käynyt siellä,että tunnen paikat
erittäin hyvin!

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You haven't been to Jerusalem before Al-Aqsa(building) was built, have you? it's impossible! So you wouldn't know how the place looked like 1400 years ago!
The pictures are there to show you that masjid doesn't have to be a building.
And Muhammad(saws) was there where all the Prophets prayed, and he described in details caravan which was coming from Jerusalem, which was impossible to know that time(there were no planes) unless he has been there by himself!
In the end, believe what you want!

että muslimeilla kirjoitti:

ei ole mitään siteitä Jerusalemiin.
Jos Masjid on vain paikka, jossa voi ruokoilla,
niin näitä paikkohan on pilvin pimein.
Koska Muhammed ei koskaan käynyt Jerusalemissa, kuten hänen elämänkertansakin todistaa (Ibn Hisham)
niin islamilla ei ole mitään tekemistä Jerusalemissa.
Nuo kivikasat noissa kuvissa EIVÄT OLE JERUSALEMISTA.
Olen niin usein käynyt siellä,että tunnen paikat
erittäin hyvin!

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http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/FAQ/basic/aqsa.html

And what is your problem if Jerusalem is our third holy city? Al-Aqsa is not your holy place.

.... kirjoitti:

http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/FAQ/basic/aqsa.html

And what is your problem if Jerusalem is our third holy city? Al-Aqsa is not your holy place.

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Muslimit tuppaavat pyrkimään omimaan kaiken pelkästään itselleen. Voikos siellä temppelivuorella ei-muslimit tepastella rauhassa?

Jake "Kafir" Waits kirjoitti:

Muslimit tuppaavat pyrkimään omimaan kaiken pelkästään itselleen. Voikos siellä temppelivuorella ei-muslimit tepastella rauhassa?

After the battle of Yarmuk the Muslim forces under the command of Abu Ubaydahr alay siege to Jerusalem. The inhabitants consented to surrender on condition the Khalifa, Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) came in person. Umar [ra] travelled to Palestine and formally received the keys to the city in 637 AC. On his arrival, he concluded the famous peace treaty with the people of Holy City. This opened the doors to the Jews, who were denied access for thousands of years and for the first time Jerusalem under Muslim rule became truly an OPEN CITY to all the three faiths. Throughout Muslim rule of over one thousand two hundred years of Jerusalem, members of Jewish, Christianity and Islam found a heaven to prosper from. Muslim rule enabled the city to live up to its rightful title of 'The Holy City' as it encompassed all the believers in One God to go about their business without hindrance.

http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/FAQ/basic/aqsa.html

Jake "Kafir" Waits kirjoitti:

Muslimit tuppaavat pyrkimään omimaan kaiken pelkästään itselleen. Voikos siellä temppelivuorella ei-muslimit tepastella rauhassa?

Muslim family holds key to sacred sepulchre
For centuries, their ancestors have opened door to church where Jesus believed buried

Every morning at 4 a.m., Wajeeh Nuseibeh walks through the walled Old City of Jerusalem to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the most revered shrine in Christendom. He takes an ancient 12-inch iron key, climbs a small ladder and opens the huge wooden doors to the place that most Christians believe is the site of the crucifixion, tomb and resurrection of Jesus.

Every evening at nightfall, after three raps of an iron doorknocker spaced out over half an hour, Nuseibeh closes up and places the key in safekeeping.

He inherited the job from his father and grandfather, in a chain stretching back more than 1,300 years. But surprisingly, Nuseibeh, doorkeeper of the site of the crucifixion, is, like his ancestors, a Muslim.

"It goes from father to son, from one generation to the next," said Nuseibeh, a small, dapper 55-year-old man in a suit and tie. "I was 15 when I first opened the church. I thought it was fun. As I grew up I realized it is a big responsibility."

This weekend, thousands of Christians flock to the Holy Sepulchre for Easter services, processions and the ancient ceremony of the Holy Fire, in which Nuseibeh plays a central role. The ceremony, held on Holy Saturday, the day before Easter, symbolizes the resurrection of Christ.

Worshipers pack into the church, trying to get as close as possible to the marble-clad tomb, or sepulchre, where they believe Jesus' body was laid. The oil lamps inside the mausoleum that contains the tomb are extinguished, and a huge stone is rolled across the entrance, which is then sealed shut by Greek Orthodox priests.

"If there are no oil lamps lit, the tomb will be sealed with wax. I am the witness. I put my stamp, the name of the family, in the wax on the tomb," Nuseibeh said.

What happens next looks like a miracle. The Orthodox patriarch begins to pray, and a bluish Holy Fire begins to emanate from within the tomb, lighting the lamps and sometimes flying around the church over the heads of the assembled worshipers and even lighting the candles of believers. Nuseibeh has been the official witness at this ceremony for more than 20 years.

The church is a major attraction for both pilgrims and tourists. A vast warren of chapels, tunnels and caves, with architectural remnants that date back to the 4th century, it spans a broad range of traditions, from the westernized cathedral of the Catholics to the icons of the Orthodox churches. It houses the final stations on the Via Dolorosa -- the last journey of Jesus to the crucifixion.

The church is jealously managed by five competing and often disputatious Christian denominations -- Roman Catholic (also called Latin here), Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Coptic and Syrian Orthodox (sometimes called Jacobite). There also is a small Ethiopian Orthodox chapel on the roof. Sometimes the tensions over the right to clean or to pray in a particular area of the church spill over into violence. Nuseibeh's family has helped keep the peace between them since Caliph Omar Ibn Kattab first conquered Jerusalem for the Muslims in 638. The only gap was during 88 years of Crusader rule in the 12th century.

According to family history, when Salah A-Din recaptured Jerusalem in 1191, he promised English King Richard the Lion Heart he would invite the Nuseibeh family to resume their role as custodians.

Since that time, the Judeh family, also Muslims, have been given the key for safekeeping overnight, but only the Nuseibehs serve as doorkeeper.

Once a year, the three biggest denominations -- Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Armenian -- publicly renew their request to Nuseibeh to be the "custodian and doorkeeper," as written on his business card and multimedia Web site (www.nuseibehfamily.com).

About 100 years ago, the key was stolen. Although it was eventually recovered, a spare now is kept in a locked room inside the church.

For his hereditary labor, Nuseibeh receives $15 every month, an income he supplements by giving tours of the church. But the ancient honor is worth more to him than the token payment. When tensions boil over between the denominations, Nuseibeh is the one who calms the waters.

"Like all brothers, they sometimes have problems. We help them settle their disputes. We are the neutral people in the church. We are the United Nations. We help preserve peace in this holy place," he said.

Nuseibeh said he still becomes anxious before the big ceremonies or when important visitors arrive. "I realize there are thousands of people waiting to go into the church, and they are waiting for me to open it, and I start to imagine what will be happen if the lock will be broken or the key is damaged and I can't open the door."

But that has never happened in the 20 years since he took over from his father. He hopes that one day his son Obadah, now 21, will step into his footsteps, but that's not certain. "He is at college, studying to be a sports trainer," Nuseibeh said. "Maybe he will not follow me, and then my brother or my cousin will take over."

Nuseibeh said he is deeply touched by the Christian rituals and feels a close affinity with the church, but he does not pray there.

"I know every stone. It is like my home," he said. "But I go to pray at the Omar Mosque next door."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/27/MNGMTBVFQT1.DTL

history... kirjoitti:

After the battle of Yarmuk the Muslim forces under the command of Abu Ubaydahr alay siege to Jerusalem. The inhabitants consented to surrender on condition the Khalifa, Umar ibn al Khattab (ra) came in person. Umar [ra] travelled to Palestine and formally received the keys to the city in 637 AC. On his arrival, he concluded the famous peace treaty with the people of Holy City. This opened the doors to the Jews, who were denied access for thousands of years and for the first time Jerusalem under Muslim rule became truly an OPEN CITY to all the three faiths. Throughout Muslim rule of over one thousand two hundred years of Jerusalem, members of Jewish, Christianity and Islam found a heaven to prosper from. Muslim rule enabled the city to live up to its rightful title of 'The Holy City' as it encompassed all the believers in One God to go about their business without hindrance.

http://www.islamicinvitationcentre.com/FAQ/basic/aqsa.html

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tulee temppelivuorelle. Siitä tulee varmaan hieno!

key to sacred sepulchre kirjoitti:

Muslim family holds key to sacred sepulchre
For centuries, their ancestors have opened door to church where Jesus believed buried

Every morning at 4 a.m., Wajeeh Nuseibeh walks through the walled Old City of Jerusalem to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the most revered shrine in Christendom. He takes an ancient 12-inch iron key, climbs a small ladder and opens the huge wooden doors to the place that most Christians believe is the site of the crucifixion, tomb and resurrection of Jesus.

Every evening at nightfall, after three raps of an iron doorknocker spaced out over half an hour, Nuseibeh closes up and places the key in safekeeping.

He inherited the job from his father and grandfather, in a chain stretching back more than 1,300 years. But surprisingly, Nuseibeh, doorkeeper of the site of the crucifixion, is, like his ancestors, a Muslim.

"It goes from father to son, from one generation to the next," said Nuseibeh, a small, dapper 55-year-old man in a suit and tie. "I was 15 when I first opened the church. I thought it was fun. As I grew up I realized it is a big responsibility."

This weekend, thousands of Christians flock to the Holy Sepulchre for Easter services, processions and the ancient ceremony of the Holy Fire, in which Nuseibeh plays a central role. The ceremony, held on Holy Saturday, the day before Easter, symbolizes the resurrection of Christ.

Worshipers pack into the church, trying to get as close as possible to the marble-clad tomb, or sepulchre, where they believe Jesus' body was laid. The oil lamps inside the mausoleum that contains the tomb are extinguished, and a huge stone is rolled across the entrance, which is then sealed shut by Greek Orthodox priests.

"If there are no oil lamps lit, the tomb will be sealed with wax. I am the witness. I put my stamp, the name of the family, in the wax on the tomb," Nuseibeh said.

What happens next looks like a miracle. The Orthodox patriarch begins to pray, and a bluish Holy Fire begins to emanate from within the tomb, lighting the lamps and sometimes flying around the church over the heads of the assembled worshipers and even lighting the candles of believers. Nuseibeh has been the official witness at this ceremony for more than 20 years.

The church is a major attraction for both pilgrims and tourists. A vast warren of chapels, tunnels and caves, with architectural remnants that date back to the 4th century, it spans a broad range of traditions, from the westernized cathedral of the Catholics to the icons of the Orthodox churches. It houses the final stations on the Via Dolorosa -- the last journey of Jesus to the crucifixion.

The church is jealously managed by five competing and often disputatious Christian denominations -- Roman Catholic (also called Latin here), Greek Orthodox, Armenian Orthodox, Coptic and Syrian Orthodox (sometimes called Jacobite). There also is a small Ethiopian Orthodox chapel on the roof. Sometimes the tensions over the right to clean or to pray in a particular area of the church spill over into violence. Nuseibeh's family has helped keep the peace between them since Caliph Omar Ibn Kattab first conquered Jerusalem for the Muslims in 638. The only gap was during 88 years of Crusader rule in the 12th century.

According to family history, when Salah A-Din recaptured Jerusalem in 1191, he promised English King Richard the Lion Heart he would invite the Nuseibeh family to resume their role as custodians.

Since that time, the Judeh family, also Muslims, have been given the key for safekeeping overnight, but only the Nuseibehs serve as doorkeeper.

Once a year, the three biggest denominations -- Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Armenian -- publicly renew their request to Nuseibeh to be the "custodian and doorkeeper," as written on his business card and multimedia Web site (www.nuseibehfamily.com).

About 100 years ago, the key was stolen. Although it was eventually recovered, a spare now is kept in a locked room inside the church.

For his hereditary labor, Nuseibeh receives $15 every month, an income he supplements by giving tours of the church. But the ancient honor is worth more to him than the token payment. When tensions boil over between the denominations, Nuseibeh is the one who calms the waters.

"Like all brothers, they sometimes have problems. We help them settle their disputes. We are the neutral people in the church. We are the United Nations. We help preserve peace in this holy place," he said.

Nuseibeh said he still becomes anxious before the big ceremonies or when important visitors arrive. "I realize there are thousands of people waiting to go into the church, and they are waiting for me to open it, and I start to imagine what will be happen if the lock will be broken or the key is damaged and I can't open the door."

But that has never happened in the 20 years since he took over from his father. He hopes that one day his son Obadah, now 21, will step into his footsteps, but that's not certain. "He is at college, studying to be a sports trainer," Nuseibeh said. "Maybe he will not follow me, and then my brother or my cousin will take over."

Nuseibeh said he is deeply touched by the Christian rituals and feels a close affinity with the church, but he does not pray there.

"I know every stone. It is like my home," he said. "But I go to pray at the Omar Mosque next door."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/03/27/MNGMTBVFQT1.DTL

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Muslimien reaktio kaivaukseen haiskahtaa tietyssä mielessä tekopyhältä ottaen huomioon sen, että viimeisen vuosikymmenen aikana Wagf (Muslimien trusti) rakensi itse Israelin suurimman moskeijan temppelivuorelle, maanalaisen rakennuksen Al-Aqsan moskeijan viereen. Tämän aikana he vievät pois lukuisia kuorma-autolasteja maa-ainesta ja tuhosivat korvaamattomia arkeologisia jäännöksiä. Sen lisäksi, Wagf suunnittelee rakentavansa uuden minareetin Temppeli-vuorelle, jo siellä olevan neljän lisäksi. Muslimien rakentaminen näyttää olevan sallittua, sen sijaan juutalaisten rakennustoiminta Temppelivuoren ulkopuolella ei sitä ole.

Jake "Kafir" Waits kirjoitti:

tulee temppelivuorelle. Siitä tulee varmaan hieno!

how happy you must be!

before mosques were built.

600 years kirjoitti:

before mosques were built.

niin saanko minä rakentaa omani sen paikalle?